Started by Threeleggedyoyo, July 31, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
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Quote from: Cricket on August 01, 2013, 08:52:14 PMBtw, what kind of gigs are we talking about here? Are you doing the solo looping originals thing? Covers? A band? How to make it work depends a lot on what you want to do.
Quote from: Threeleggedyoyo on August 02, 2013, 02:05:38 AMThanks for the thoughts everyone. Keep them coming...As for the gigs, it's just me doing the solo looping thing. You can check out my YouTube for some recordings... that's exactly what I do live.
I've had a couple live performances recently and they've been well-received enough. The problem is how do I get people to freaking come? I feel like it's so weird that that's what all the venues care about. They all want to know how many people I can get in the door. That seems to be the foremost concern with getting booked. As one poster in another place put it, it's like the parent who hires a clown for their kid's birthday party and then asks him how many kids he can bring... That's my main issue. I do not know how to build a fan base.
Quotemaking sure the dancing girls have a good time.
Quote from: Cricket on August 02, 2013, 06:41:30 AMActually, it isn't. The days of (some) club owners being interested in music are gone. They are interested in selling alcohol, and most wouldn't care if you stuck a mic up your *** and farted all night if people would come and buy beer while you did it.From your first post, I assume you're thinking the typical hour set of originals sharing a bill with other bands in clubs that have original bands? Don't want to be a downer but that's about the toughest market there is. Even there, though, there are things you can do.Elantric mentioned busking. Definitely worth a shot. I know from your vids you have a somewhat elaborate setup, but if you can pare it down to essentials and work up a set with battery power, it's a great way to get people to hear you. And money can be made, sometimes even decent money, if you have a place to do it without attracting the local constabulary. And you don't have to deal with club owners. Yay-hooray!Of course, you can (and should) promote your shows to a busking audience. You can also make some money with merch, both at club shows and busking. People will still buy a cd if they like you. Put together a cool looking/cool sounding package and sell?Got a college or two nearby? Play there, for free or for cheap at first even. Fraternities/sororities tend to be party oriented, to say the least. Hook them up and they may well hook you up by coming out to your shows and drinking heavily. The latter is known to club owners as "pleasure." A full till at the end of the night will keep you booked solid. A smaller audience who racks up substantial tabs is better for your continued employ than a large audience of "sippers." Sure, they'll notice a packed club, but they'll appreciate a packed cash register, yanno?Consider too, that your main priority, or at least what I think should be your main priority, is to get girls to like your music and dance to it. Seriously. A reasonable coterie of dancing girls in a club gets guys to come in and stay. Girls who dance get hot and thirsty. Guys buy them beers. Lather, rinse, repeat. It's a three-part system that works. If you are only playing say an hour's worth of originals, consider covers. If you can play all night in a place you'll a) make more money and b) get more people to see you... not necessarily all at once. Bar/restaurants with entertainment are generally much easier rooms to work, as the owners are making money often all day on food as well and don't depend on liquor sales alone from 5-closing.If you have the wherewithal, buy a round for the largest group of dancing girls. They will remember it and like you. And they will probably stay longer &c. &c.And did I mention dancing girls?Seriously, I think that's the key demographic for rock and roll. Get that nailed down. If you have to pander to one select group of people, that's the one.One last thing out of the many that could be put here: one of the best investments I ever made was two inexpensive tin utility lights, like you would use for shop-work or painting, and a couple of red floodlight bulbs. If you are at a place with no cool lighting, you hide them unobtrusively on the stage somewhere and throw up a wash of red light. Cheap, easy, and you'll look 10x cooler. If you look good, people think you sound good.The worst band I ever played with worked constantly and we made tons of money. That is a long story in itself, but working has little to do with music (though that is still a possibility.) It's a lot more about sales, marketing, entertaining... making sure the dancing girls have a good time. Cater to them and you'll never regret it.Peace, C
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on August 02, 2013, 04:48:19 PMCricket, This is probably the most honest and truthful statement, I've ever seen in print, regarding keeping yourself booked. In my nearly 50yrs of playing clubs, nothing has changed. Bravo for putting into words what most musicians don't really want to believe. Paul
Quote from: IvanLozano on August 02, 2013, 06:42:41 PM...learn how to dance