Started by mooncaine, October 05, 2011, 06:18:57 PM
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Quote from: Rhcole on May 12, 2011, 05:04:26 PMI'm with Elantric on this issue, I don't see the 13 pin guitar dominating the marketplace anytime soon.
Quote from: Elantric on October 05, 2011, 06:36:06 PMIts my opinion its the poor 1989 decision to us that damn FRAGILE DIN 13 pin circular connector, (with Zero Analog Ground pins!) and the ugly "Borg" GK-3 controls which restricts the advance of Roland systems.As a test - 1) Using your foot, put out a cigarette. Observe the results - a flattened cigarette.2) Now replace the cigarette with a DIN 13 connector (as used on a Roland GK13 cable) under your foot, and use the same physical motion with your foot employed as in step #1 above, Observe the results - a flattened damaged connector, making the Roland VG-99, GR-55 useless.3) Now replace the cigarette with a Neutrik Ethercon XLR connector (as used in the Variax) under your foot, and use the same physical motion with your foot employed as in step #1 above, Observe the results - no damage to the robust Neutrik Ethercon XLR connector, making the Line6 Gear far far more road worthy that Roland gear.Its that simple. Its these basic fragile elements to the Roland GK User experience, that negates its use by many major artists when on the road.
Quote from: gumtown on October 05, 2011, 07:23:36 PM1) Either wireless, or use of a standard 6.5mm jack.2) A GR/VG unit that can detect a GK or normal guitar plugeed into it, if normal - mono modeling + effects only, if GK compatable is sensed, provide 12 volt DC supply and a multiplexed bi-directional signal to the guitar on the same standard TS 6.5mm plug/cable.3) Make drop-in replacement bridge pickup for strat or LP which operates as a combined normal PU plus a hex PU, and still looks like the guitar's original single coil or P90.Same for the knobs and PU switches, after market 'dual purpose' 3 or 5 way selector which does the normal PU plus position data to the controller.I am sure it is the specialised 13pin cable and the black cancerous growth on the guitar that is 'off putting' to 'traditional guitarists'.I am also surprised that Roland haven't invested in polyphonic pitch analysis from a mono composite signal, such as seen in computer based software (TS-Audio2Midi) which as of 7 years ago worked very well, no need for a GK guitar at all.
QuoteI am also surprised that Roland haven't invested in polyphonic pitch analysis from a mono composite signal, such as seen in computer based software (TS-Audio2Midi) which as of 7 years ago worked very well, no need for a GK guitar at all.
Quote from: Gastric on October 06, 2011, 03:10:26 PMGoing beyond the hardware. How about doing everything LINE6 does regarding supporting their user community?* Providing a company hosted online community for questions, support, chat, etc.?* Providing software editors for their products?* Providing easy upload/download/search for factory, artist, and user patches for their products?* E.G., all the things to make using the products so much easier.When I meet non-technical guitarists that want multieffects I always steer them towards LINE6 products as they're typically much easier to use and program thanks to the editors. Not that Gumtown's editors are bad, they're excellent. But Gumtown shouldn't even need to be spending hundreds/thousands of man hours programming them.
Quote from: vanceg on October 09, 2011, 05:55:17 AMI absolutely agree that the 13 pin standard is silly. I'd much rather see an RJ-45 connector or a 1/4" connector.I absolutely DISagree that installing a GK pickup is difficult or cumbersome. 1000% disagree. I mean, I hear people say that it's a pain to set the 13 pin pickup at the right height and angle because they are using the plastic spacers to adjust the height of the pickup. Why not drill into your guitar and put the GK pickup on screws with springs under it? These are included in the install kit? Oh, you don't want to drill into your guitar? Well - Frankly - Too friggin bad! I mean, to me this is like saying "I had to COMPLETELY RUIN my strat because I had to ROUTE A HOLE IN MY GUITAR to put the magnetic pickup in it". Nobody would ever say that. If you feel like the 13 pin pickup is part of your instrument - then MAKE it part of your instrument. Dont plan on ever taking it off. If you want to add any part to your guitar, and want it to be reversible, then you have to use some temporary affixing technique, and these will be less sturdy than something you plan to attach forever. How is this a surprise or disappointment to anyone?So what we are REALLY saying is - How do we add hex capabilities to guitars whithout altering the guitar at all, so that people can remove them later. I'd say we should be encouraging people to have hex pickups as permanent installations. Then there is the string spacing issue - this is a tough one - we simply need more types of hex pickups to be available on the market. THere are several humbucker sized hex pickups available on the market but most of these cannot be mounted close enough to the bridge and suffer from crosstalk and loosing signal strength when strings are bent. That's problematic. So I do really approve of the little GK sized pickups in that they can be mounted so close to the bridge. Perhaps there needs to be a GK3 that has adjustable pole positions. I can imagine that this is possible. Or perhaps just several string spacing sizes....
Quote from: aliensporebomb on October 09, 2011, 07:48:34 PMI don't have a problem mounting a GK3 to any of my guitars. What I do have a problem with is removing the GK3 guts and trying to turn it into a GK internal type setup. I have no backups and I gig too frequently to find out that two hours before a gig I've wrecked a working GK3 and turned it into a non-working GK3.I'd love to make my GK3 an internal mounted setup on my strat - that's a setup I could live with. I never did manage to find a Roland Ready strat locally so I ended up with a Strat with GK3 - that's just my dumb luck. No matter though.