Looking for a sound....No Quarter piano

Started by Best_Peasant, March 10, 2024, 12:07:55 PM

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Best_Peasant

Folks,
Trying to create JPJs piano intro sound from no quarter.
I know live he had the Rhodes. But can't get it exactly right. Can't play it right either...but that's a different problem.
Any guidance on creating this sound?
GM800 into Katana.

gumtown

Found this:
QuoteThe "No Quarter" effect secret: To create the swirling "underwater" sound of "No Quarter" in concert, JPJ fed the Rhodes through a Maestro phase shifter. This phaser, the PS-1A, was a simple, but large pedal effect. It was developed by Tom Oberheim of Oberheim Electronics, who later produced the famous Oberheim synthesizers. The three colorful switches turn the phaser on and off, as well as selecting one of three preset cycle speeds. During live concerts, Jones placed it on top of the keyboard, where it could be operated by hand. He preferred to play both keyboards and bass with no effects, but needed the Maestro to recreate the mysterious piano sound of the album. Jones reminisced, "[The Maestro was] gloriously simple to work, with just three positions. That's how I like it. Who wants to sit there programming something for half the night?"
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gumtown

and this if you are after the Tool cover version:
Quoteif you are doing the tool version, jones uses a boss bf-2 and dd-3 mainly for his effect. when i play tool, i put the manual and res almost at minimum and the depth and rate some where around 12 o'clock. i would try messing with the flange settings to see if you can get that certain sound. also during the verses, it sounds like he has his wah parked near the back and he uses a good bit of delay.
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arkieboy

I would also say you should find one of the thicker, more murkier Rhodes sounds for the base tone.

That whole 'Rhodes through phaser' was a real popular sound in the 70s.  My Art teacher and school band leader had a Rhodes suitcase and a EHX small stone, plus one of those original MiniKorg synths and it all sounded fab. 

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Best_Peasant

Quote from: gumtown on March 10, 2024, 12:34:56 PMand this if you are after the Tool cover version:
Cool. Wasn't far off so, I did slip some autowah on to the tone.
Looks like I need to play more with the base tone.
Thanks.

Best_Peasant

Quote from: arkieboy on March 10, 2024, 02:04:01 PMHe had been in a band with Bob Plant before he joined Led Zep - lots of amusing stories ...

I'd say there's stories to be told right across their career! Thanks.

Antonuzzo

I did a patch for this on the GR-55 (bass mode) – have a listen and maybe you can use it as a starting point.

Bill Ruppert

#7
15 years ago I did this kind of sound with pedals.
Not what you are asking for, but it was fun to play on guitar.

Again this was 2009, so it was a long time ago!

https://www.ehx.com/blog/effectology-vol10-no-quarter-the-electric-piano-effect/

plexified

He has three tones he is using. His Main Shimmering haunting tone, a Saw bass outro and an electric piano also on the outro. The main thing is the tempo of the tremolo or pulse with the proper decay on the notes which is short. You can obviously hi-cut, but live he has more going on. Live he has more bandwith and I would suggest auto pan to aid the vibe. Nice and slow and haunting to aid the fog of the tone with enough depth to be noticed if you listen for it, but otherwise not strong enough to loose when its moving away.

I would not so much worry about nailing the JPJ tones, its the mood you want to create that becomes the riveting glue that lets the audience wonder whats next. Just watch JPJ live in his last performance of it and you will see, he takes it next level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7fMMcPByig

Best_Peasant

Quote from: plexified on March 12, 2024, 10:51:04 AMHe has three tones he is using. His Main Shimmering haunting tone, a Saw bass outro and an electric piano also on the outro. The main thing is the tempo of the tremolo or pulse with the proper decay on the notes which is short. You can obviously hi-cut, but live he has more going on. Live he has more bandwith and I would suggest auto pan to aid the vibe. Nice and slow and haunting to aid the fog of the tone with enough depth to be noticed if you listen for it, but otherwise not strong enough to loose when its moving away.

I would not so much worry about nailing the JPJ tones, its the mood you want to create that becomes the riveting glue that lets the audience wonder whats next. Just watch JPJ live in his last performance of it and you will see, he takes it next level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7fMMcPByig
That gig is well played on my system, had that sound in my head. Just not that good at recreating. Must check the autopan idea. One thing I did like was changing to an overdrive channel with the synth tone and gave a nice thick bass sound to drop into Jimmy's riff. I'll keep plugging away...if I get close maybe I'll be brave and post it.
BTW...Jason's drumming for that gig...damn hits every time.

gumtown

The "Auto Pan" idea would be good, or "Rotating Leslie" too.
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admin_shawnb

#11
This sounded like a fun idea.  I took a stab at a patch here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=36939.0

Kind of a darker, deeper tone...

I used two out-of-sync phase shifters for a shimmering effect.  It feels to me like the original studio recording has things going on at different frequencies also, so I tried to emulate that.

plexified


This was such a cool example of players being inspired and finding things. For me I always thought JPJ was an accomplished master. From the massive research I have done and pleasant discoveries it afforded John Paul was always searching and striving. I mean REALLY trying hard at persuing his own ideas. Jimmie was his eye opening experience to watch. Jimmy was so well versed BEFORE his time, nobody was expecting it and it was usually an advantage for Jimmi to 'steer' ideas or it was a 'bonding' session to work with engineers like Chris Huston. This whole thing goes very deep and I took the dive and am immersed in it right now. JCM is a fantastic source of Documentaries if you guys like the group :

https://www.youtube.com/@JCM-LedZeppelin-Stories

This is next level stuff and you get unpacked the life and legends. This is the stuff I live on and Love and cannot express enough. You have to go to the source and get in the mindsets and life to really have this stuff unfold for you. It does not happen on a discussion. It happens when you get personally involved into the life and times. Do it ! It makes music so much better !