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Started by Jamesmcgtr, February 06, 2024, 08:31:32 PM
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Quote from: Jamesmcgtr on February 06, 2024, 08:31:32 PMHi! Not sure if I'm doing something wrong but I can't get the hold functions to work properly, specifically hold type 2. I have set each part to hold type 2 as well as the setting found in Control/Assign>Guitar to MIDI. Hold type 2 is supposed to mute new incoming notes once you've engaged the hold function but instead it acts like hold type 4 and adds any new notes into the held sound. Cacophony ensues! Is anyone else having this issue?Thanks
Quote from: arkieboy on February 07, 2024, 06:34:19 AMIt is a bit confusing. I haven't categorically proven what I say below, but I'm 90% certain. (After playing around with trying to control my GM-800 from my SY-1000 for a while, I just bit the bullet and bought the physical controllers, which is why I'm not completely certain).Think of the GM-800 as a box that contains four parts, each effectively a Zenology Pro synth. Each of those synths has its own capability to assign internal parameters to external MIDI controllers. If the Zenology preset you have selected for a part in your scene has MIDI assigns, it will respond to the external MIDI input as expected.The box itself also has physical controller inputs - you can plug in either four foot switches, two expression pedals, or a combination of two foot switches and one expression pedal. These controller inputs can be assigned to parameters in the Zenology Pro synths using the UI in the GM-800. These controllers are physical only - they do not respond to external MIDI.You can't (yet) edit the Zenology preset on the GM-800. You can't (yet) export a Zenology preset to Zenology Pro to edit it. You can export a Zenology Pro preset to the GM-800. So in principle, if you want to reprogram your GM-800 from scratch, then you can control the parts properly by MIDI.GK-Serial gives you access to further physical controllers that you typically find on an external Roland GK2/2a/3 pickup, the internal Roland GK-KIT, a Fender Roland Ready Strat, Godin Synth Access Guitars and some Brian Moore iGuitars. These are also physical only - you can't set up S1 in the GM-800 UI and address it from MIDI.Guitar-synth hold modes seem to go beyond the MIDI spec. MIDI synths typically support a piano damper - extend VCA sustain for all notes in the sustain phase and any newly played notes (hold 1) - and sometimes support a sostenuto - extend VCA sustain for notes already sounding, but not for any notes played after its depressed (hold 4). The 'sustain notes playing and don't play any more' seems to me something introduced with Roland guitar synths - if you look at the MIDI spec, 'hold 2' actually increases the VCA release time, so notes should still die away.
Quote from: IMH1234 on February 07, 2024, 07:40:12 AMIt would be great to validate all this - if you are correct then the GM800 suddenly becomes more interesting again as with a lot of work and an external midi controller it would be possible to access all of the parameters of Zencore without being connected to the computer by allocating them to a midi cc in Zenology pro and exporting these to the hardware. Completely ridiculous way to do something that should have been built into the hardware and seems like it would still have limitations in what can be done but would reduce my concern that this becomes an expensive doorstop when Roland moves away from supporting Zencore.
Quote from: admin_shawnb on February 07, 2024, 10:26:09 AMEverything in @arkieboy 's post is accurate.In terms of each voice honoring all of the Zenology Pro assigns, + all of the GM-800/BTS assigns, that is true. You can control everything, for each individual part, independently.It really is an amazing device.More here:https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=36322.0
Quote from: arkieboy on February 07, 2024, 11:23:34 AMI don't think there is enough assign space to make a preset completely flexible in the way I imagine you might be thinking. But it will almost certainly be possible to extend the macro editing capability offered by the GM-800 UI to expose other important parameters that could be tweaked after a patch is selected to 'future proof' your favourite tonalities.