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Started by Nobulusprime, December 26, 2023, 06:34:40 AM
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Quote from: Elantric on July 26, 2023, 06:35:32 AMConfirmed the GKC-AD passes ALL GK-3 signals, including Normal Guitar. GK-VOL, S1, S2 into the TRS SERIAL GK data stream.There is a path for a future SERIAL GK Processor that supports the Normal Pickup signal
Quote from: arkieboy on December 26, 2023, 04:44:09 PMLets look at this from a use case point of view, and try to guess how the use cases might be bundled into products ... (I know people won't agree with this! )'I want to include an acoustic guitar in my song live'. Lots of guitarists want a convincing acoustic guitar sound without changing guitar - the Variax sold fairly well I think, and I regularly get guitarists from the headline acts we support comment about the versatility of being able to get an 'acoustic-like' sound from the press of a footswitch.'I want to be able to play synth lines from my guitar'. Roland have sold enough guitar synths over the years to keep them making them, so this surely is a common ask. This is partially satisfied by the GM-800, but we know you can get better responsiveness for simple sounds by reshaping the string's waveform.'I want to make my electric guitar sound like another electric guitar'. This is somewhat at odds with having a GK-3 or a GK-5 - a small unit you can put on your favourite guitar to access new sounds. Also Strats and LPs feel different and we play different kinds of things on them, and because we're primarily electric guitarists, this matters. I think that if you mostly want to play a Les Paul, you're generally going to put your GK pickup on some kind of dual-humbucker single cut guitar - equally if you mostly want to play a Strat, you'll put your pickup on something Strat like. So modelling other electric guitars isn't something you're going to do for anything other than the odd song.(I know lots of you do model guitars - I think teasing this out might help us second guess Roland better)'I want to be able to re-tune my guitar by changing patch'. This feels like a much better use case than 'make my LP sound like a Strat'. Of course, when you change your tuning on your guitar, you'll need it to sound roughly the same as it did in normal tuning, so ironically I think the 'model an electric guitar' use case makes much more sense when you're thinking about recovering something like the original tone when you change the tuning to open G for a song.'I like my guitar controller and I want to be able to use that sound too'. You have a really small, unobtrusive hex pickup that can be fitted to your favourite guitar so why wouldn't you want to use your favourite guitar's sound?'I like my amplifier/pedal boars and I want to use my modelled/retuned electric guitar through that amplifier and pedal board'. Boss sell lots of effects - they don't want to say 'you can't use any of them with your SY-1000/VG-99 replacement'!If you want to maximise your sales, you're going to want to try to satisfy one or more of these use cases in a compelling way. A complicating factor is that electric guitars require an amplifier and effects that don't do a good job of reproducing acoustic guitars or synths.So here are some guesses that make some kind of sense in terms of those use cases, that might fit into the current 200 and 500 series form factors and suit the different kinds of amplification they need to address:* an acoustic guitar unit (+/- dynamic synth pretty much as is in the SY-1k) (gk-serial in, stereo out)* a stand-alone dynamic synth with more processing power for even more convincing synth sounds (gk-serial in, stereo out)* a stand-alone electric guitar/retuner unit (+/- integration of the regular guitar signal) (gk-serial in, regular guitar in, mono guitar out) (i.e make my GK guitar into a variax)* an electric guitar/retuner unit integrating the regular guitar signal and including amp and effect modelling (gk-serial in, regular guitar in, stereo out)
Quote from: pasha811 on December 27, 2023, 06:48:44 AMThe GK Serial Output of the GM-800 tells a story about future expansions.
Quote from: aliensporebomb on December 27, 2023, 03:15:40 PMI notice some of the sounds of the slow pad on that GR-S seem to reflect some of the capabilities of the SY-1000.
Quote from: loopman on December 28, 2023, 01:14:50 PMFor me, the future product that would make sense right after the GM 800 is a worthy successor to the SY 300. Why? Because in my opinion the SY 300 is the last true guitar synthesizer made by Roland. In my experience I have had units such as the GR 30, VB 99, GR 55 and lately the SY 1000. Sure, the SY 1000 has much more features and a wider and nicer sound palette, but to my taste none of these have ever come close to matching or competing with the sonic results that (after years of patch/sound programming) I've been able to achieve with my SY 300. I can say this for several reasons: 1) I can use a standard 1/4-inch jack2) it is able to generate such unique and almost 'live' ambient sounds 3) it's a real guitar synth because the oscillators are the same strings of my bass and this opens up a world of timbres and nuances of sound that in my opinion are unique I sold my GR 55 and my SY 1000, but I will never sell my SY 300. When it happens that a fellow musician listens to the sounds I've created with the SY 300, he always is amazed and everyone is impressedSo, my dream is that there may be a new floorboard that continues the SY philosophy and I hope that some of the Boss/Roland engineers may read this wish of mine