GM-800 with SY-1000

[ILIADE]

I am planning to get a GM-800 but have a few questions for those who already own one...
1. I also have a SY-1000 and a GX-100. I normally connect my guitars (Godin internal GK and Strat equipped with a GK3) 13 pins cable to the SY-1000 and the ¼ output to the GX-100. Now, any suggestions how and where to connect the GM-100?
2. Since I already have 13 pins GK guitars, any advantages of getting a GK5 pickup?

Thanks,

Chris

[Elantric]

I am planning to get a GM-800 but have a few questions for those who already own one...
1. I also have a SY-1000 and a GX-100. I normally connect my guitars (Godin internal GK and Strat equipped with a GK3) 13 pins cable to the SY-1000 and the ¼ output to the GX-100. Now, any suggestions how and where to connect the GM-100?
2. Since I already have 13 pins GK guitars, any advantages of getting a GK5 pickup?

Thanks,

Chris

Since I already have 13 pins GK guitars, any advantages of getting a GK5 pickup?

None - but you need a GKC-AD

GK13 Guitar > US-20 Out A  > SY-1000
                          US-20 Out B  > GKC-AD > GM-800
                                        GKC-AD 1/4" Guitar Out  > GX-100
 

[ILIADE]

Thanks Elantric...

And if I use a GK5 pickup, how about GK5 -> GM-800 GK In -> GM-800 GK Out -> GKC-AD -> SY-1000? Make sense or just overkill?

[Elantric]

Thanks Elantric...

And if I use a GK5 pickup, how about GK5 -> GM-800 GK In -> GM-800 GK Out -> GKC-AD -> SY-1000? Make sense or just overkill?

You would need :
GK5 -> GM-800 SERIAL GK In -> GM-800 SERIAL GK Out -> GKC-DA -> SY-1000 GK13 IN

[gumtown]

Don't make a mistake of getting the wrong converter box

GKC-DA goes from GK serial to GK 13 pin (needed if you have GK-5 and want to use a 13 pin synth product, Digital to Analog)

GKC-AD goes from GK 13 pin to GK serial (needed if you have GK-2/GK-3 13 pin instrument and want to go to a GM-800 GK serial input, Analog to Digital)

[BROCKSTAR]

Don't make a mistake of getting the wrong converter box

GKC-DA goes from GK serial to GK 13 pin (needed if you have GK-5 and want to use a 13 pin synth product, Digital to Analog)

GKC-AD goes from GK 13 pin to GK serial (needed if you have GK-2/GK-3 13 pin instrument and want to go to a GM-800 GK serial input, Analog to Digital)

Yes im getting the GKC-AD right now. Since the pick-up is back ordered for a week or more, im just going to slap my gk-2a on my prs and go from there to gkc-ad, and from gkc-ad to gm-800 and sy-1000

[ILIADE]

... to gkc-ad, and from gkc-ad to gm-800 and sy-1000

And how will you go to your SY-1000? Will you use a US-20 switcher like Elantric suggested?

[BROCKSTAR]

And how will you go to your SY-1000? Will you use a US-20 switcher like Elantric suggested?

Yeah I didn't think that through, so yeah looks like i'll need a us-20 switcher ugh, maybe I should have just had patience and waited for the new pickup to arrive

[gumtown]

Yeah I didn't think that through, so yeah looks like i'll need a us-20 switcher ugh, maybe I should have just had patience and waited for the new pickup to arrive

Maybe you can get the GKC-AD converter for now, and when the GK-5 comes in, return/swap for a GKC-DA. ?

[BROCKSTAR]

Maybe you can get the GKC-AD converter for now, and when the GK-5 comes in, return/swap for a GKC-DA. ?

Yeah maybe, have to discuss it with local dealer to see. I already told him to keep the gk-5, i didn't want it when it comes in, but maybe I can work something out.

[thebrushwithin]

Yeah I didn't think that through, so yeah looks like i'll need a us-20 switcher ugh, maybe I should have just had patience and waited for the new pickup to arrive

If you're interested, I have several US 20s, just studio use, in great shape, and would sell one for $165 w/o short cables. If that sounds good, just PM me.

[BROCKSTAR]

If you're interested, I have several US 20s, just studio use, in great shape, and would sell one for $165 w/o short cables. If that sounds good, just PM me.

Appreciate it just don't have extra money right now, but I'm definitely going to switch over to gk-5 and the gkc-da converter once the pickup comes next week. Talked to my local shop guy. I just don't need this gk-2a and the controls, so may as well go with the gk-5 as planned and gkc-da, and be able to use my gm-800 and sy-1000 together.

[whippinpost91850]

I got everything hooked up and ran through the 100 patches. They were totally disappointing and underwhelming.
Tomorrow I'll run through the other sounds , I'm thinking that where I'll find more of what I'm looking for.
You would think Roland would have learned, about putting crap patches on the unit, when you first turn it on

[BROCKSTAR]

I got everything hooked up and ran through the 100 patches. They were totally disappointing and underwhelming.
Tomorrow I'll run through the other sounds , I'm thinking that where I'll find more of what I'm looking for.
You would think Roland would have learned, about putting crap patches on the unit, when you first turn it on

Yeah the stock doesn't represent it good enough. There's great stuff in there, but also better in the zenology pro that can be imported into gm-800.

[germanicus]

The whole crap preset stock patch situation is a no win for Roland/Boss.
Patches need to demonstrate the diversity and power of the device.

It is next to impossible for them to divine what people like when it comes to sounds. What may tickle one guitarists fancies may be the complete opposite of the next.
The best they can hope to do is for the first 5-10 patches to cover a wide range that hopefully scores a win with whatever the player likes. I say 5-10 patches because thats about as far someone will go before putting it down if they go in fresh before losing interest.

[Elantric]

The whole crap preset stock patch situation is a no win for Roland/Boss.
Patches need to demonstrate the diversity and power of the device.

It is next to impossible for them to divine what people like when it comes to sounds. What may tickle one guitarists fancies may be the complete opposite of the next.
The best they can hope to do is for the first 5-10 patches to cover a wide range that hopefully scores a win with whatever the player likes. I say 5-10 patches because thats about as far someone will go before putting it down if they go in fresh before losing interest.

Its all perspective and user expectation

GM-800 stock presets cover a wide range of styles, imho most cover bands will use .
( download it here
https://www.boss.info/global/support/by_product/gm-800/owners_manuals/35470faf-d370-4a6a-afb6-6030ffd1fa3a/

 - far better musicality than SY-300 factory presets

[BROCKSTAR]

The whole crap preset stock patch situation is a no win for Roland/Boss.
Patches need to demonstrate the diversity and power of the device.

It is next to impossible for them to divine what people like when it comes to sounds. What may tickle one guitarists fancies may be the complete opposite of the next.
The best they can hope to do is for the first 5-10 patches to cover a wide range that hopefully scores a win with whatever the player likes. I say 5-10 patches because thats about as far someone will go before putting it down if they go in fresh before losing interest.

Yeah they're not as bad as I may have wrote. They do the job good enough to get interested, but it's up to the user to dig into the parameters or try different tones with each other etc. I'm loving it.

[whippinpost91850]

Its all perspective and user expectation

GM-800 stock presets cover a wide range of styles, imho most cover bands will use .
( download it here
https://www.boss.info/global/support/by_product/gm-800/owners_manuals/35470faf-d370-4a6a-afb6-6030ffd1fa3a/

 - far better musicality than SY-300 factory presets

That's interesting you say that the stock patches "Cover bands will use" , I went through all 100 and didn't find one I could use and I play in 2 cover bands and 1 Tribute band. I'm hopin I can find usable tones in the full list

[ILIADE]

Ok, coming back to the original question, I am not sure how should I add the GM-800 to my rig. One thing's for sure, I won't use the GK5 since 3 of my guitars are already equipped with a GK-3 or an internal 13 pins connectors (Godin xtSA and Godin Multiac ACS Slim SA). And on top of it, I still have my GX-100 that I want to use for certain patches...

I have 2 scenarios so far (attached images). In your opinions, which one makes more sense? Or maybe you have another scenario that would be better?

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Thanks,

Chris

[sixeight]

Shameless plug, but I build these:
https://sixeightsoundcontrol.onlineweb.shop/product/gk-splitter

You could use the insert to connect the normal guitar out to the GX-100. Rest looks like scenario 1.

[arkieboy]

Shameless plug, but I build these:
https://sixeightsoundcontrol.onlineweb.shop/product/gk-splitter

You could use the insert to connect the normal guitar out to the GX-100.

I was just about to plug SixEight's GK Splitter, and I get the 'someone else has posted' message as I was about to press send!!  

Lots of people ought to be buying this box because unless you actually want the A/B switching of the US-20 then you will be spending a lot of money that doesn't need to be spent!  The only reason to buy anything else really is if you need the advanced capabilities of Codesmart's kit.

SixEight's splitter has an insert that allows you to put FX in between the guitar and the 13-pin units.  So you could send the guitar to, and return the audio from your GX-100, and then not use any modelling on the direct guitar signal in the SY for those patches.  Some judicious programming has the GX-100 do nothing on those patches where you don't need it, and the SY-1000 do nothing when you're using the GX-100.

Can you not transcribe the GX-100 patch into the SY?  Does the GX sound better?  Or have some model or effect you can't do without?

[gumtown]

Ok, coming back to the original question, I am not sure how should I add the GM-800 to my rig. One thing's for sure, I won't use the GK5 since 3 of my guitars are already equipped with a GK-3 or an internal 13 pins connectors (Godin xtSA and Godin Multiac ACS Slim SA). And on top of it, I still have my GX-100 that I want to use for certain patches...

I have 2 scenarios so far (attached images). In your opinions, which one makes more sense? Or maybe you have another scenario that would be better?

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Thanks,

Chris

Scenario 1 has less digital and analog conversions happening, and the benefit of using the US-20 to switch between the two GK units.