Schaller Hannes piezo bridge?

Started by capacitor, August 02, 2023, 08:02:34 PM

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Any Hannes piezo bridge users around?  I'm considering using one vs a GK3 setup.  Top priority is tone.

Elantric

High string to string crosstalk on Piezo vs GK-3

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I understand this in general terms, but are you speaking from experience with the Hannes?  It's designed to have reduced crosstalk relative to other piezo pickup systems.

I'm wondering if it works both in terms of crosstalk, and if so what the ATG-1 models sound like when fed with Hannes piezos.

Edit: when researching GK3-based tone vs piezo tone, folks seemed to prefer mag pickups instead of piezo.  If the Hannes is different, that would be great and simplify things.  I've not found a ton of information so far on whether they are or not :)

cags12

Quote from: capacitor on August 02, 2023, 09:17:14 PMI understand this in general terms, but are you speaking from experience with the Hannes?  It's designed to have reduced crosstalk relative to other piezo pickup systems.

I'm wondering if it works both in terms of crosstalk, and if so what the ATG-1 models sound like when fed with Hannes piezos.

Edit: when researching GK3-based tone vs piezo tone, folks seemed to prefer mag pickups instead of piezo.  If the Hannes is different, that would be great and simplify things.  I've not found a ton of information so far on whether they are or not :)

Funny I was researching this this morning too in regards the Hannes bridge in particular.

My own experience with ATG and piezo (I have 4 Piezo based installations [2x GT Ghost, 1x AT-200, 1 Variax] and two hex based [Shadown, Cycfi] ) is that even though magnetics are in general better, Piezos are good enough taking that saddle string separation does exist. I once had to sand down the side of my Graphtech piezos (as per advised by them) in order to create physical separation and avoid strig crosstalk. This worked better so assuming the Hannes has this separation, you should be good to go. On the secon installation it was on Floyd Rose, I did not have crosstalk issues here at all from factory.

There is unavoidable crosstalk you will face no matter what (also happens on magnetics pickups) which is when you do palm mute, frequencies travel across you palm into the adjacent string creating crosstalk. Playing technique can be adapted to minimize this but in the end of the day, you cannot beat physics.

The other area to take into account, which is the reason I was researching about the Hannes bridge, is that different piezo manufacturer may EQ or design their piezos differently and generate different sound (reason why Roland adds different pickup settings for piezo according to manufacturer). Working on my latest install at the moment, I am using T4M piezo pickups and bridges and found that the Piezo quack/plink is extreme making guitar modelling almost unusable (have tested it with ATG and Variax so far). I am still troubleshooting this issue and see if I find a solution. Unfortunately the guitar I am working on can only take T4M bridges.

capacitor

I'm game to try a Hannes, if I can somehow make it work on a guitar with a Strat routing setup.

Those T4M look nice. 

capacitor

@cags12 You might have seen this already, but it looks like there's some good, solid experience/notes provided by Mr Shankley starting at the following post: 

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=498.msg96257#msg96257

It is in relation to using a GP10, but that's good enough for me to give it a shot.

I'm still trying to figure out how to mount it on a guitar with a normal Stratocaster trem routing.  I don't mind using something like an intermediate mounting plate, and the guitar can be modified as required.  I'm specifically interested in using the guitar in question so willing to do the work.  I'll continue to look and post back with anything found.