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Quote from: admin_shawnb on August 07, 2023, 01:51:35 PMI was just thinking pretty much the same thing:You cannot view this attachment.
Quote from: arkieboy on August 08, 2023, 01:28:38 AMWhat are the consensus numbers for the GR55 and Fishman TriplePlay?
Quote from: adamqlw on August 08, 2023, 01:48:08 AMGermanicus cited this on another forumSy1000 High E string - 25 msecSy1000 Low E string - 48 msecTripleplay High E string- 10 msecTripleplay Low E string- 18-20 msec
Quote from: Bluesbird on August 08, 2023, 06:20:29 AMWhat was the input latency of the sound card? Let's assume it took 4 ms. for the guitar audio to reach the daw. That would add 4 ms to your figures (the audio arrived later to the daw and made the difference between the audio and the midi shorter than it actually is). So we would be looking at about 14 ms for high e and 28 to 30 for the Low E. Assuming these numbers are accurate and comparing to Wayne Jones's speed tests, this performs very close to but faster than the Roland GI-20 (which was the last dedicated pitch to midi DSP device that Roland manufactured). It is faster than any Roland device ever made (again assuming these numbers are accurate). It does not however knock Fishman Tripleplay Wireless or Connect (usb cabled version) out of first place as the fastest pitch to midi converters on the market (assuming these numbers are accurate).
Quote from: Bluesbird on August 08, 2023, 08:04:49 AMWith latency numbers like this, and the endless options and sounds to be derived from the GM-800, I see no reason why this will not be a very successful product. Add in the new serial digital cable technology and I think you could score this as a home run for Boss/Roland. I think they got this one right—-too bad they left the SY-1000 to wither on the vine.
Quote from: Bluesbird on August 08, 2023, 08:35:18 AMPeople talk about how glitchy the Tripleplay is, but they added a "monitor hand position" feature a few firmware's ago and it is the most rock solid tracking of anything I've tried in the last 25 years. Solely as a pitch to midi converter it is my favorite—the Roland GI-20 would be second. Jam Origin MG2 is great in monophonic mode playing single note lines.
Quote from: jwhitcomb3 on August 07, 2023, 08:02:42 PMPatent protection only extends 20 years from the filing of the patent application. Once the patent term ends the technology becomes public domain.
Quote from: germanicus on August 08, 2023, 08:56:12 AMRight so 2034 for fishmans relevant patents. . . . but its clear they have a solid claim on the wireless transmission aspect. So don't expect to see any roland/boss units sending PTM data wirelessly for 11 years or so.
Quote from: germanicus on August 08, 2023, 08:56:12 AMRight so 2034 for fishmans relevant patents. There is prior art in the description, so its not clear to what extent the algorithms themselves are covered by their 2014 application, but its clear they have a solid claim on the wireless transmission aspect. So don't expect to see any roland/boss units sending PTM data wirelessly for 11 years or so.
Quote from: jwhitcomb3 on August 08, 2023, 10:54:13 AMAre there other patents you know of that protect Fishman's fast pitch-to-MIDI method?
Quote from: germanicus on August 08, 2023, 11:26:54 AMIt seems it was developed by Blue Chip, possibly jointly with Yamaha in the 90's. "Transient Early Recognition"Down the rabbit hole we go.Looks like 5780759, applied for in late 1995. Assigned to Yamaha in March or 96. https://ppubs.uspto.gov/pubwebapp/external.html?q=(5780759).did.&db=USPATIts expired at this point. As I stated above, fishman have a claim regarding wireless transmission of PTM. Whether roland has decided to incorporate this transient early recognition is unknown.
QuoteMIDI Guitar FAQI spent most of the last thirty years designing guitar synthesizers. I developed several generations of devices from the Shadow GTM-6 / SH-075 through the Blue Chip Music / Terratec Axon until the Fishman Triple Play today. Over this period I answered thousands of questions from users who had some difficulties to understand certain features or behavior of their devices. Now, as I have here a web page of my company, Panda-Audio, I want to take the opportunity to summarize this information in the form of an FAQ. I hope I can help users of guitar synthesizers a better understanding of their devices with this information. While these answers are based on my designs, I believe most of the information here is true for Roland or other devices too. I will update this page time to time with questions whatever I recall from my memories, or whatever new questions arise.Andras Szalay
Quote from: Elantric on August 08, 2023, 10:56:23 AMSearch on " Patents Andreas Szalay" https://www.patentguru.com/search?q=Szalay,+Andreashttps://patents.google.com/patent/US9460695B2/enhttps://www.google.com/search?q=Patents+Andras+Szalay&oq=Patents+Andras+Szalay&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIHCAEQIRigATIHCAIQIRigAdIBCDEzNjFqMGo3qAIAsAIA&client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8https://patents.justia.com/assignee/fishman-transducers-incAnd read Andras Szalays GUITAR MIDI FAQhttp://www.panda-audio.com/midiguitar.php
Quote from: Recovering Roland User on February 24, 2024, 08:02:10 AMKeep in mind, this is from plucked string to audio waveform, and not plucked string to midi note production, which would be somewhat less, but yeah the GM-800 sucks. Hey Roland, the 80s called--they want their technology back! As long as you play on the top four strings around the 10th fret and higher, you should be good--ha, ha. It's also great for ambient pads!! Can't believe all the people that shilled for this piece of crap. Apparently, being a nostalgic Roland fanboy can cloud reason and good judgment.
Quote from: BROCKSTAR on February 24, 2024, 05:34:51 PMI love my gm-800 and sy-1000 combo... Best guitar synth and virtual instruments/amps/effects combo on the market right now!
Quote from: Recovering Roland User on February 25, 2024, 10:16:07 AMIt's funny that the FTP has a latency as low as 7 ms. on high e and 14 ms. on low E with superb tracking, dynamics, and "natural feel" but people sing the praises of a device that has latency numbers (as reported by Gumtown) the same as the Ibanez MC-1 and GR-700. The MC-1 and GR-700 met their demise largely because of their horrible latency, but all of a sudden the GM-800 with the same horrible latency is the best pitch to midi device in town. I find that laughable, and indefensible. In addition, of my many different software synths, Zencore was at the very bottom. If horrible latency and dated 80s synth sounds is your thing, then I highly recommend it. It's a pretty blue color though and the serial protocol is cool. I realize fanboyism is a thing, so limit your vitriol towards me, please.