question concerning the gm-800

[gav]

i feel like i know what the answer is gonna be, but i was wondering if there's an sy-like synth engine inside the gm-800, in addition to the 4-part gm-like engine it is said to have. if not, do you guys think boss will release another guitar synth with an sy-like engine and gk-5 compatibility?

[Bluesbird]

i feel like i know what the answer is gonna be, but i was wondering if there's an sy-like synth engine inside the gm-800, in addition to the 4-part gm-like engine it is said to have. if not, do you guys think boss will release another guitar synth with an sy-like engine and gk-5 compatibility?

To the first question: No. As to the second question: maybe, who knows?

[BROCKSTAR]

i feel like i know what the answer is gonna be, but i was wondering if there's an sy-like synth engine inside the gm-800, in addition to the 4-part gm-like engine it is said to have. if not, do you guys think boss will release another guitar synth with an sy-like engine and gk-5 compatibility?

The sy-1000 is already compatible with gk-5 so I doubt there's a need for another SY synth remake, just get the right converter  to use it.

https://www.boss.info/us/products/gkc-da/
https://www.boss.info/us/products/gkc-ad/

[gumtownadmin]

If you watch Alex Hutchens third and more personal video on the GM-800, in the comments section, he does elude to the GM-800 as the first device in a new series of GK serial products.
So maybe a GY-800 to replace the SY1000 one day.

One thing is for sure, GK-13 now sits along with the GK-24 pin products (in the eyes of Boss).

[gav]

If you watch Alex Hutchens third and more personal video on the GM-800, in the comments section, he does elude to the BM-800 as the first device in a new series of GK serial products.

i'm assuming you mean alex hutchings? i checked his channel and there doesn't seem to be three videos...? there's only two, and i didn't see anything in the comments about a bm-800. i must be missing something...

[BROCKSTAR]

i'm assuming you mean alex hutchings? i checked his channel and there doesn't seem to be three videos...? there's only two, and i didn't see anything in the comments about a bm-800. i must be missing something...

He did 3 videos, however 2 is only on his channel, the other one is the launch video he did for BOSS. As for BM-800, i think gumtown made a typo.

[gav]

He did 3 videos, however 2 is only on his channel, the other one is the launch video he did for BOSS. As for BM-800, i think gumtown made a typo.

OH! i understand now, thank you!

also:

The sy-1000 is already compatible with gk-5 so I doubt there's a need for another SY synth remake, just get the right converter  to use it.

https://www.boss.info/us/products/gkc-da/
https://www.boss.info/us/products/gkc-ad/

yes. but. i'm talking about not having to use converters. i was thinking something more like a sy-like synth that you can plug the gk-5 straight into, if that makes sense.

[gumtownadmin]

Sorry about the typos.

[gav]

all good, gumtown!

[Elantric]

One thing is for sure, GK-13 now sits along with the GK-24 pin products (in the eyes of Boss).

Roland/Boss support has been emphatic to inform me the GK-3, GR-55, GP-10, SY-1000  remain in full production - not being discontinued.
But its true future products will grow with more gear focused on the " SERIAL GK"  interface. But looking forward, I doubt we will see any new Roland/Boss  GK 13 pin processors

[gav]

But its true future products will grow with more gear focused on the " SERIAL GK"  interface.

i see. perhaps that means they'll also come out with a serial gk version of the us-20! i have a theory that the model name would be the us-20s, or the sus-20....

[gumtown]

i see. perhaps that means they'll also come out with a serial gk version of the us-20! i have a theory that the model name would be the us-20s, or the sus-20....

I can't see why a simple TRS (stereo jack) A/B switch box wouldn't work.

But then, a smart GK switch box would tell the connected units (GM-800 and newer) which GK-Set setting associated with the guitar to change to.
That is assuming the A2B data protocol of the new GK Serial may one day support midi and/or system exclusive control data transport.
That is also assuming the GK Serial can support hot swap of GK Serial devices/guitars, and not require power down, swap guitar, reboot.
So much we don't know about this format yet.

[gumbo]

So much we don't know about this format yet.

....Yep...

[gumbo]

But then, a smart GK switch box would tell the connected units (GM-800 and newer) which GK-Set setting associated with the guitar to change to.

...and that will obviously influence the resulting RRP of the unit   

[VegasGuitar]

I can't see why a simple TRS (stereo jack) A/B switch box wouldn't work.

Because this TRS is AES/EBU digital. A really good A/B might not mess with the digital signal, and I can't remember seeing a ¼" AES/EBU A/B switcher, most use optical or XLR and are pricey.

[Elantric]

Because this TRS is AES/EBU digital. A really good A/B might not mess with the digital signal, and I can't remember seeing a ¼" AES/EBU A/B switcher, most use optical or XLR and are pricey.

There is a brief  initialization period for GM-800 SERIAL GK  Host to recognize the current hardware connected SERIAL GK CLIENT  (GK-5, GK-AD )  -and GK-5 once recognized as a trusted device , the AD2428 IC will enable the internal power rails for the FPGA and Opamps on GK-5, takes about 6 seconds

[cags12]

the AD2428 IC will enable the internal power rails for the FPGA and Opamps on GK-5, takes about 6 seconds

I wonder if on any future internal kit this can be leveraged in such a way so a single TRS jack can be used for both regular guitar and GK-5. so it detects when it is not in a GK topology and allow regular guitar output to a regular amp on the same jack.

[philjynx]

There was a time when there were 1/4" 4 pole jacks used in telephone exchanges, pity Roland/Boss didn't opt for something like that, could have carried the audio pickups down that one extra line... There are 3.5mm (1/8") ones, but they're too flimsy for guitar cables.

And the opportunity has expired....

There's nothing to stop Roland (or Codesmart) from producing a cable with a TRS connector AND a mono one at each end....

Users could curly cable tidy a mono lead in parallel with this stuff http://www.bestseatech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/cable-tidy-6.jpg

Food for thought.

[cags12]

There was a time when there were 1/4" 4 pole jacks used in telephone exchanges, pity Roland/Boss didn't opt for something like that, could have carried the audio pickups down that one extra line... There are 3.5mm (1/8") ones, but they're too flimsy for guitar cables.

And the opportunity has expired....

This would not have worked. mixing analog and digital signals on the same patch cable introduces significant noise into the analog audio signal. On the flip side, I only hope they do introduce a 7th digital line on for the regular guitar signal on a future internal kit.
My earlier hopes stills holds true for cases when you want to use you guitar GKless.

[philjynx]

This would not have worked. mixing analog and digital signals on the same patch cable introduces significant noise into the analog audio signal...

Not my experience, I used to use 10 metre long 25 core on my GK guitar, it carried 8 audio signals out of the guitar and at least two switch mode supplies to the guitar (noise generators). All I ever heard out of the amp was music.

Roland digital is twisted pair, so far less likely to induce noise than the cable I used.

[cags12]

Not my experience, I used to use 10 metre long 25 core on my GK guitar, it carried 8 audio signals out of the guitar and at least two switch mode supplies to the guitar (noise generators). All I ever heard out of the amp was music.

Roland digital is twisted pair, so far less likely to induce noise than the cable I used.

True on the twisted pair. However, my own experience with sending audio and midi down the same cable translated to audio noise whenever midi messages where transmitted (known issue with the ATG and AT-200B). I guess it depends on the type of digital signal and its operating frequencies and the physical separation between cores. You may had been lucky or else with a 25 core cable.

Back to the Gk-5, to me it would not really make sense to do that anyway. They could just send a 7th digital signal and that's it. Baffled they did not even retained that functionality of the gk-3.

But my point in earlier posts is that it would make an internal kit even simpler by using a single TRS for both GK-5 and analog audio depending on what is detected.

[philjynx]

They could just send a 7th digital signal and that's it.

True, just one mono DA in the GM800 going to an output on the back to wherever you want.