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Offline 2pods

What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« on: February 03, 2011, 07:21:45 AM »
Further to my post elsewhere, http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3004.0 I wondered what we all use our S1 and S2 buttons for over midi (other than program change) ?
« Last Edit: April 23, 2015, 01:31:42 PM by Elantric »
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Offline MCK

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2011, 07:36:35 AM »
I use it for pickup selection sometimes. My pet pieve is that there is no way to display the pickup selected on the VG99 or VB99 display or the FC300...

Offline Elantric

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2011, 08:48:56 AM »
The S1 /S2 buttons are User assignable. In a MIDi over USB scenario, You could use these to turn on / off NI GR4 stomp boxes, or kick in a Solo Boost, or change external presets.

But most typically have S1 / S2 mapped to change internal COSM pickup selection. If you are on the COSM Strat model, and have a patch with the Neck PU on, two "taps" of the "S2" button takes you to the Middle PU, one more S2 tap takes you to the Middle PU +Bridge PU, and one more tap takes you to the Bridge PU alone. Four taps of the "S1" button takes you back to the NEck PU.

Been doing it this way with VG-8, VG-88, VG-99.
The S1 & S2 functions can be reassignable on a per patch basis.
   

Offline 2pods

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2011, 09:36:00 AM »
I couldn't have explained myself properly. :-[

I always have S1 and S2 mapped to PU selection for VG COSM stuff.

I meant what control messages do people have them mapped to when using a softsynth using just the guitar to midi, and NO VG guitar ?
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Offline Elantric

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2011, 09:46:06 AM »
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I meant what control messages do people have them mapped to when using a softsynth using just the guitar to midi, and NO VG guitar ?

Realy boils down to the GK Processor's Control Assignment support for GK-3's S1 & S2 switches - the available options for assigning these to various FX Control functions and MIDI CC# transmission vary by device (VG-99,GR-55, GP-10, etc)   
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Offline 2pods

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2011, 09:51:52 AM »
Unfortunately I only have Kontact 4 Player.

My softs are currently NI Xpress Keyboards(oldie, but goldie), Korg MI, Korg Wavestation EX, Korg MonoPoly, and stuff that I wouldn't use the VG99 for like Superior Druumer 2.
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Offline Giuseppe

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2017, 01:30:24 PM »
If you assign the s1 and S2 buttons for pick selection, do you then lose the ability to change patches with them? Or could you switch out of a patch using foot pedals and then regain their utility?

Online admsustainiac

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2017, 01:39:39 PM »
Which processor? ( GR-55,GP-10,VG-99,. ?)


Realy boils down to the GK Processor's Control Assignment support for GK-3's S1 & S2 switches - the available options for assigning these to various FX Control functions and MIDI CC# transmission vary by device (VG-99,GR-55, GP-10, etc)   


Some allow the S1/S2 Assignments to change for each Patch setting vs a fixed default operating mode set in the System settings
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Offline Giuseppe

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2017, 11:28:13 PM »
The gr 55

Offline gumtown

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2017, 12:36:55 AM »
It would be pointless to assign the S1/S2 to do pickup selection and patch change at the same time,
you do have the option to assign the S1/S2 functions per patch, or system/global the same function on all patches.
Regardless of which option the S1/S2 function is in GR-55, it will always send the same cc# per S1/S2 button per patch.
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Offline mooncaine

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2017, 01:13:06 AM »
Whenever I bought a new Roland guitar synth or VG, I went into settings and set the S1/2 switches so that they change patches. On a synth like the GR-55, I later set up a few patches called "Tone Tryout" or "Cello Try" (for example) and set my switches to bump up/down through the list of synth tones. I don't think I ever heard them all, but maybe.

After the novelty wore off and I knew what I liked about the unit, I usually set the switches to switch virtual guitar pickups, just like as I eventually did on the VG. Always the same pattern, too. The switch closest to bridge switches or increments toward bridge pickups, and etc.

When I use the VG-99, I usually set them to Dec/Inc the pickups, and I set up the CTL 1 and 2 buttons, on the VG's face, so that I could do the same AND see, because of which buttons are lit, whether I have Bridge, Neck+Bridge, or Neck selected (the scheme doesn't help with 5 pickup models).

But a special patch sometimes needs special switches. It's great when you can assign them, cuz you don't get many chances to have assignable switches on the face of the guitar. Usually only 2.

Offline chrish

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2017, 09:06:35 AM »
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Regardless of which option the S1/S2 function is in GR-55, it will always send the same cc# per S1/S2 button per patch.
. Do those switches send a midi cc# from the gk body or do they send control voltage that the processer (vg99, gr-55 etc) translates to midi cc#?

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Online admsustainiac

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #12 on: January 25, 2017, 09:13:37 AM »
Of course it's the later

they send control voltage that the processer (vg99, gr-55 etc) translates to midi cc#?


Despite the rumors, and piss poor marketing efforts, the Roland GK -13 pin interface has no MIDI  communication on any of the 13 pins.

Details
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14088.0
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Offline chrish

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2017, 09:36:09 PM »
Thanks for the clarification. Sometimes shops will have ads that call the 13 pin cable a midi cable.

Online admsustainiac

Re: What do we use our S1 and S2 buttons ?
« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2017, 10:19:34 PM »
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Thanks for the clarification. Sometimes shops will have ads that call the 13 pin cable a midi cable.



I know , which is why this post below remains important  reading for all members


How calling the the 13pin GK cable a " MIDI Cable" damaged the "Roland GK" VGuitar brand
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14088.0
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