Boss SY-1000 F.A.Q.
Started by Rhcole, July 10, 2020, 02:30:59 PM
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Quote from: Smash on July 10, 2020, 09:16:34 PMConductive frets?
Quote from: Rhcole on July 14, 2020, 09:18:08 AMLooking at how the guitar is laid out, I think it would be super-easy to add a 13 pin connector using their pickup internally. Somebody with better tech skills than me would need to determine if it would work with Roland gear or interfere with its present functioning.What an instrument that would be, though!
Quote from: Bluesbird on July 16, 2020, 02:43:09 PMI'm still not seeing any objective data on the pitch to midi conversion time. How about you record the normal guitar output on one track and the resultant midi note on another track. Subtract the midi note time from the normal guitar time and add the input latency (a rough approximation provided by your daw). Let's do it for the high e and the Low E. Yes? I have a suspicion that Fishman may have provided some technology for this device. If we have identical conversion times to the Fishman, then we may be closer to an answer. They report an average of 10 ms. This is the result that was only possible with Axon/Tripleplay algorithms (11ms reported by Wayne Joness using the Yamaha G50). So Roland hasn't been able to improve but a flash-in-the-pan company now has the same PTM speed? I call bulls&*t. Nobody else here is curious about this--jeez, we have 40 years of piss poor pitch to midi performance and nobody is curious as to how Jamstik was able to match Fishman? What the ....?
QuoteHowever, I found the JamStick Studio guitar on demonstration had sluggish latency, - felt like my Casio MG-510https://spinditty.com/instruments-gear/The-Casio-Midi-Guitar-Model-MG-510and was not set for individual String Bending while playing chords or two note partials ( country bends, or Stones Honky Tonk Woman ) driving a Windows 10 laptop running NI Komplete.To accommodate individual String bending , it seems at the Jamstick booth they were foggy as to why anyone would want MIDI MONO Mode, and separate MIDI Channels per string ( hint: its required to support individual string bending in different directions at same time ( listen to Jerry Donahue on a Hellicasters record for examples I specifically told the CEO this, he said they had spent years developing this new latest version to meet professional performance - I think they need to get a $1000 budget for a few used MIDI guitars in their R&D and read and study those used instrument owners manuals to get a better understanding of MIDI Guitar
Quote(With SY-1000 Guitar to MIDI ) I found acceptable Guitar to MIDI performance. Still must be careful and precise with your playing technique to avoid mis triggers, but I could accomplish solid consistent performance.I A/B tested SY-1000 Guitar to MIDI Performance vs GR-55 Guitar to MIDI feeding MIDIPlus MINI Engine Plus Performance, I observed both exhibit similar latency, but the GR-55 was more prone to sporadic random notes, while the SY-1000 I felt delivered a more consistent performance with fewer mis-triggers The Fishman Tripleplay delivers lower latency on the low E, A, D strings.
Quote from: Bluesbird on July 16, 2020, 03:28:28 PMThe aren't posting a 15 ms. latency--they (Jamstik) are posting an average 10 ms. latency. Here is my take: either Jamstik is exaggerating, or Fishman is providing the technology because of poor sales of the Fishman Connect. Fishman has the technology for Bluetooth transmission as well as wired. I just don't see how Jamtik could do the same PTM speed without the help of Fishman. There is no way. I bet the proprietary statement has to do with the fact that they are doing Bluetooth and wired at the same time. Fishman--Come clean on this!
Quote from: Bluesbird on July 16, 2020, 03:38:18 PMYes, I bet if Rhcole opens it up, he will find Tripleplay tech in there.Here is the way I see it: Jamstik used Tripleplay technology but as to not hurt the sales of the Connect, they backed off on stating the use of the Tripleplay pickup. The early proprietary statements were revised to say "unique onboard processing" to reflect that they do Bluetooth and wired at the same time (something that as of yet Fishman does not provide), but the algorithms are all Fishman. Either this is true or Jamstik is full of beans. Just give us the numbers and we will know. I give it about two weeks before Fishman finally admits it or refutes Jamstik claims. But if they both have NDAs, we may never know. BTW, That roll out of the Fishman Connect was an abomination. I have no marketing or business experience and I could have created more of a buzz for the product than Fishman.