Katana - MIDI Control Options

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Quote from: fificap on October 02, 2017, 11:22:21 AM
Hi,

For the two banks of channels, the delay2, global eq, loop level, and other effects, i understand how it works.
But for Assignable CC# and Program change to the Katana channels and Pedal Functions... could you explain to a non midi expert what does it mean?

thanks
fifi

QuoteWhat if you have something like a Boss GT-10 multi FX unit? Would you be able to use the midi function to at least control the amp switching?

On a Katana Head or Artist - yes


the basic list of MIDI control is in the Katan Head manual


Connect a 5 pin MIDI cable from GT-10 MIDI Out to Katana Head / Artist MIDI input



For more advanced MIDI control - Map what you want using BTS, and Katana will store your settings ( BTS not required for MIDI control)






Katana FAQ
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19048.0



admin

#1
Dont forget there is a new "MIDI SETTING" system for assignments using the latest Katana Firmware and Boss Tone Studio.
- its described in the new BTS for Katana Parameter Guide



   

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admin

#3
Quoteon: Today at 06:32:22 AM
Started by philjynx - Last post by dazco
IMO the katanas definately need to go to people who would be willing to be happy with the tones themselves only. Expecting to use the effects live beyond very minor use will lead to Craigslist for people not willing to buy outboard effects or who use none or very little.


Or harness and control the Katana 50/100/Artist excellent FX ( same class FX as GT-100 / MS-3)
with a Primovasound MIDX-20 adapter to harness and control them at live gigs with a MIDI foot controller - like a KMI Softsetp2









Read all the available Katana FX which MIDX-20 can be controlled via MIDI  here
THESE MIDI CC# CONTROLS ONLY WORK WHEN MIDX-20 IS EMPLOYED
MIDX-20 V2 Katana MIDI Bridge implementation chart
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_KatanaV2.pdf


http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20.html

http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17561.0

KATANA MIDI CONTROL

For more advanced MIDI control of Katana 50/100/Head/Artist

review the PrimovaSound MIDX-20
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17561.0
MIDX-20 Release notes:
V2.4 2017-10-23
New: Compatible with KATANA V2 Firmware
New: Added CC translation from CC# to PC#

CAUTION:THESE MIDI CC# CONTROLS ONLY WORK WHEN MIDX-20 IS EMPLOYED

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=22630.0

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/25735576/

Elantric

#4
use with PrimovaSound MIDX-20 and control your Katana

and possible wireless Katana remote control  path using MIDX-20 + CME WIDI Bud - needs to be determined
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=18416.0


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admin

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Quote from: sonic1974, post: 26697027, member: 20384I was watching this video about using an expression pedal with the Katana 100:

[MEDIA=youtube]qPHIQtcctZ8[/MEDIA]

He only mentions the expression pedal controlling volume and wah, even used with the GA-FC footswitch. I was hoping I could use an expression pedal with the delays. Does anyone know if this is possible? I really liked the delays.


not (currently) possible with stock Katana



but with Primovasound MIDX-20, you can use an EV-5 Expression pedal or any third party MIDI foot controller with expression pedals that transmit MIDI CC# messages to control numerous Katana FX parameters
see this thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17561.0

hyperfee

Thanks for sharing the extensive list of MIDI CCs etc that, titled, MIDX Boss Katana V2 Bridge - MIDI Implementation. I would like to know if those CCs are actually the same CCs that the stock Katana responds to WITHOUT the Primovasound MIDX-20 (apart from the red ones)? I'm just a little frustrated because I'm really interested in the Katana head and have a Behringer FCB1010 to control it but there's no official Boss documentation that states what the MIDI CC is for the tap tempo.

admin

Quote from: hyperfee on July 09, 2018, 10:21:40 AM
Thanks for sharing the extensive list of MIDI CCs etc that, titled, MIDX Boss Katana V2 Bridge - MIDI Implementation. I would like to know if those CCs are actually the same CCs that the stock Katana responds to WITHOUT the Primovasound MIDX-20 (apart from the red ones)? I'm just a little frustrated because I'm really interested in the Katana head and have a Behringer FCB1010 to control it but there's no official Boss documentation that states what the MIDI CC is for the tap tempo.

Those MIDI CC# in the table above will NOT work without the MIDX-20
http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html
the MIDX-20 is doing the heavy lifting

hyperfee

Quote from: admin on July 09, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
Those MIDI CC# in the table above will NOT work without the MIDX-20
http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html
the MIDX-20 is doing the heavy lifting

Thanks, that's frustrating. Any idea if there is an official CC that is mapped to Tap Tempo? That is the only thing that is missing from the official manual.

admin

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Quote from: hyperfee on July 10, 2018, 03:07:24 AM
Thanks, that's frustrating. Any idea if there is an official CC that is mapped to Tap Tempo? That is the only thing that is missing from the official manual.

Read the GitHub docs by our Katana R&D team
https://github.com/katana-dev
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19782.0

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20693.0

faraldi

Hey all.

I've been mapping my GT-1000 to my Katana Artist and I'm looking for the correct CC value for the tap tempo (either global if available or for the master delay).

Does anyone have that info?

gumtown

Katana tap tempo is not accessible by cc# midi controller.
The only way to control the Katana tempo is to calculate the tempo to Delay effect time parameter,
and send system exclusive data to directly control the Katana delay time parameter.   
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

faraldi

Thanks for the quick reply.

Just to clarify, is this the case even when using Primova Sound MIDX-20?

Thanks again.

vtgearhead

Quote from: faraldi on February 24, 2019, 03:51:12 AM
Thanks for the quick reply.

Just to clarify, is this the case even when using Primova Sound MIDX-20?

Thanks again.

No, because Robert has done the hard work of coding tempo-to-delay logic into the MIDX-20 firmware.

faraldi

That's good news.

Ok, where do I order this and I'd like to get my hands on some instructions for it as well.

Thanks for the guidance guys.

admin

Quote from: faraldi on February 24, 2019, 05:46:20 AM
That's good news.

Ok, where do I order this and I'd like to get my hands on some instructions for it as well.

Thanks for the guidance guys.

Order direct from Primovasound - contact them direct  - or PM our member "CODESMART" 

http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20.html

MIDX-20 owners manual
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX20_Manual.pdf
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17561.0

faraldi


Carbonius

Can someone please tell me how to setup a POD HD500 to control the Katana Artist?

I have a Katana Artist and a POD HD500. I have read that I can control the Katana via midi. I read in some places that you just set it up like so-and-so and it works. But the so-and-so left many details out for a midi noob.

I know my way around computers, effects pedals & processors like the POD HD500 and soundboards... I've just never dealt with midi.

For instance, I am wondering what I set each parameter to (see pic below)?

Footswitch: Self-explanatory
Message: ?? (options are CC, CC toggle, prog change, bank change, note on)
CC#: Use ones from Katana manual ??
Midi Channel: ??
Value: ??

While I'm asking, how do I set the toe switch to turn on wah and then control it with the built in expression pedal?

Thank you!


admin

Quote from: Carbonius on May 14, 2019, 08:46:17 AM
Can someone please tell me how to setup a POD HD500 to control the Katana Artist?

I have a Katana Artist and a POD HD500. I have read that I can control the Katana via midi. I read in some places that you just set it up like so-and-so and it works. But the so-and-so left many details out for a midi noob.

I know my way around computers, effects pedals & processors like the POD HD500 and soundboards... I've just never dealt with midi.

For instance, I am wondering what I set each parameter to (see pic below)?

Footswitch: Self-explanatory
Message: ?? (options are CC, CC toggle, prog change, bank change, note on)
CC#: Use ones from Katana manual ??
Midi Channel: ??
Value: ??

While I'm asking, how do I set the toe switch to turn on wah and then control it with the built in expression pedal?

Thank you!




MIDI controller Setup / Debug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0

Katana - MIDI Control Options
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=22630.0


https://youtu.be/7ePENIsTMJk


Carbonius

Quote from: admin on May 14, 2019, 09:04:09 AM

MIDI controller Setup / Debug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0

Katana - MIDI Control Options
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=22630.0

(YouTube link removed from quote, see above)


Thanks for that, I'll see if I can make sense of it all. I read a lot of that prior to posting, YouTube link was new though. Not making a lot of sense to me.

I was hoping someone here knew exactly what I needed to do. There were so many POD HD's sold that I thought many people would have done this. Nothing I can find on the internet or YouTube. Maybe I'm just using the wrong search parameters. Or maybe the question should be on it's own. I'll try that, then others can also find the question if they're looking.

vtgearhead

Quote from:  Carbonius
Does someone know the exact midi settings to control a Katana amp with a POD HD500??

Specifically I have the Katana Artists and I love the amp!

I originally posted the question here after reading all I could. https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=post;quote=188073;topic=22630.0

I re-read the many pages and it's not making a lot of sense to me. I've never worked with midi. I figured so many of these HD units sold that many people would have done this, maybe not! I know there's better midi controllers out there, but this is what I've got!

So I figured I'd started a new thread. May be best as the topic doesn't exist. Also, anyone else looking for this answer could now find it (if it exists).

I'd like to do everything that the GA-FC does; change channels, turn effects on/off, use the wah & volume. I don't know what to do with all of these parameters:

Footswitch: Self-explanatory
Message: I assume CC? (options are CC, CC toggle, prog change, bank change, note on)
CC#: Use ones from Katana manual ??
Midi Channel: ??
Value: ??

Thank for the help, sorry if this is redundant!

You will learn a lot by working through it.  Couple of comments:


  • You'll likely need to send both PC and CC messages
  • The limited set of MIDI commands are documented in the Katana manual
  • You can decide which channel to use. See setup chart in the manual for configuring the amp.
  • Section 20 of the v3 manual explains the recognized CC values. Some are on/off and some (e.g. volume) are continuous

rcknrllmn

I have the midx-20, and I can't seem to get any of the CC's to work, except for the ones the Katana Head is already supposed to do with regular midi control.  Very perplexed... ?

admin

Quote from: rcknrllmn on July 22, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
I have the midx-20, and I can't seem to get any of the CC's to work, except for the ones the Katana Head is already supposed to do with regular midi control.  Very perplexed... ?

Be sure you have the proper MIDX-20 firmware installed

http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html

then follow steps here

MIDI controller Setup / Debug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0

CodeSmart

#23
Here's how to update the MIDX-20:


https://youtu.be/XtSAkkwQ968

But I got more gear than I need...and I like it!

admin

#24
Quote from:  rcknrllmn on July 22, 2019, 04:50:49 PM
I'm pretty sure I did all of this properly.  I did it again just to be sure, and I am getting the same results.  I'm dumbfounded.

I'm not going to go through the debugging process.  It's just not worth it for me.  I'll just work with the limited functions.  I thought if I downloaded the Assistant & proper firmware it would work.

with ANY MIDI Control setup, you MUST use a third party "MIDI Monitor data sniffer" - to verify you have all set up correctly  - work slowly and check your work

MIDI controller Setup / Debug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0


I still use this for past 21 years



and be sure you have Katana USB cable  inserted into the proper USB Host jack on MIDX-20

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Or use an Android phone as a MIDI Monitor to fully debug any MIDI System.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8393.msg67942#msg67942
The USB MIDI Monitor lets you view all incoming MIDI events from your USB MIDI interface. The events are timestamped and the event type, MIDI channel and values are displayed in a scrollable table. For control changes, extra information is displayed if the control change is a known type like volume or panning.




Quote from: vtgearhead on April 05, 2018, 12:01:42 PM
Yup.  To be thorough, I should sniff the bus and see what's being sent.  My utility laptop has a variety of MIDI monitor tools on it, so will drag that upstairs.  Hard to see why one of the 127 CC#s would fail to transmit, but stranger things have happened.

I actually have a Bus Pirate in the shop, but it's not as convenient - Arrrrrrhh, Matey!

I still use my Audio Tool Box 90% of the time - or my ipad or android phone with a USB Class compliant cable




Use this Android app to debug MIDi
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.extreamsd.usbmidimonitor&hl=en
USB MIDI Monitor
eXtream Software Development


or BOMES SENDSX


https://www.bome.com/products/sendsx