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Offline ALOfYRSnfWhres

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
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Offline Elantric

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
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Offline BMapson

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2017, 04:45:13 PM »
I have deleted an earlier comment as I have decided to comply to the maxim: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."  I suspect I will be entering a long period of monastic silence in all matters Roland.

I actually quoted and was going to reply from your earlier comments, but I thought better of it myself.   :)

My thoughts are simply this:  If I'm going to spend $5500 USD for a guitar, it needs to be my dream guitar.  And that would include 13-pin out.  This guitar, with no ability to program or change what comes pre-programmed, isn't it for me.  Though I do look forward to continued innovation.

Offline mooncaine

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2017, 10:31:11 PM »
Would prefer to see more tunings, at least one customizable tuning.

To be of any use to me, must add open G and open D, minimum, in addition to most of the choices they have now.

Though why I'd go for a guitar that changes tunings digitally... and then put a capo on it, just to get open E.... Well, I'd have to wonder how hard could it have been to put a usb port on it and let me upload different tunings. Heck, a guitar tuning is, what, a 12-bit word at most?

It could probably be solved with a simple input control, one that looks like a combination lock for a suitcase, with six dials you can spin, and an octave up/down push button for each slider. Anyone could input a custom tuning and even see it there, without software, drivers, updates, troubleshooting.... Could put them on a control cavity cover or even on a key fob you can plug in.

Offline cags12

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2017, 03:07:51 AM »
The other feature that is lacking is the ability to externally control the features via a MIDI (ATG) or a proprietary foot controller (ala Line 6). Using this guitar live is definitely not optimum. They should have followed Antares's example on this by adding open standard MIDI control. It could have also been used for preset edition and software upgrade.

I hate to see that they are self-damaging by not thinking on user needs. Causing eve more discontent among potential users or companies (Strandberg) that opened up to add advanced technology.

Offline Elantric

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
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Offline GuitarBuilder

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2017, 03:01:19 PM »
The other feature that is lacking is the ability to externally control the features via a MIDI (ATG) or a proprietary foot controller (ala Line 6). Using this guitar live is definitely not optimum. They should have followed Antares's example on this by adding open standard MIDI control. It could have also been used for preset edition and software upgrade.

I hate to see that they are self-damaging by not thinking on user needs. Causing eve more discontent among potential users or companies (Strandberg) that opened up to add advanced technology.

Looks like my next ATG build should use a Strandberg body design!

Offline whippinpost91850

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2017, 03:44:13 PM »
I was thinkin the same thing. Cool looking body

Offline Hurricane

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2017, 04:37:57 PM »
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Offline vanceg

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2017, 07:48:30 PM »
Don't worry about the lack of 13 pin out.  Just buy a Strandberg guitar and put a GK-3 in it, run the signal to a GP-10 or VG-99 and you'll have a TON more functionality.  What's the obsession with having everything onboard?  Are we not carrying ANY other gear with us when we play? Is it really that horrible to have to carry around a GP-10 to get about 100x the number of tonal options that you would using the roland/boss electronics that are inside this instrument?

Note that I rather like Strandberg.  I'm a big supporter.  I have purchased and installed 6 of the Strandberg bridges and admire Ola for his design.  The body shape is not ideal for me personally, but I do know a good handful of players who really love it.  Aesthetically I think they are pretty tight (that is to say, they have a distinct look and do not appear to me to be hacked together from many different approaches... it's got a look.)

I just don't understand the attraction to onboard tone generating electronics.

Offline scratch17

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2017, 10:27:24 AM »
vanceg said:

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I just don't understand the attraction to onboard tone generating electronics.

I agree. I want as much of unnecessary weight as I can get out of the guitar. So other than minimal
onboard tone generation (pickups, pots, etc.), I want only connections to external gear.

An electric guitar design should start with the best sound you can achieve. Much of the sound comes from
the wood you utilize. Add electronic goodies externally.
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Offline Headless68

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2017, 12:07:00 PM »
like the guitar but it is way over priced

std strandburg with a GK3 + VG99 for half the price .....& thats with a trem system & synth lynx jack ;-)

Offline rsm

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2017, 07:22:04 AM »
If they are going to put processing on/in the guitar, then it should be open for user choice. With limited preset storage, I should be able to manage and store what I want in each on-board preset using something like Boss Tone Studio.  The sounds in the guitar could evolve over time, and we could customize the sounds/patches as we want.

I dig the Boden guitar, but I think the execution here is going in the wrong direction IMO. If you're going to provide sound generation/processing in/on the guitar, open it to user patches. Otherwise, I'd rather have a GK system built in with all processing off-board, like my Gittler.
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Offline Peter the GR-eat...

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #38 on: October 19, 2017, 05:54:37 PM »
I wonder if the V-Guitar electronics in the V-BDN gonna be available as a kit?
A super GK-KIT-GT3 u know.  :D
But probably not.


Offline aliensporebomb

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2017, 07:39:20 AM »
So, a budget beginners instrument then?  Yeow!
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Offline gumbo

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Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2017, 07:57:57 AM »
So, a budget beginners instrument then?  Yeow!


...so obviously they didn't manage to save too much by omitting the 13-pin jack...  ::)
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Offline Elantric

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
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Offline vanceg

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2018, 06:04:17 PM »
Now if they were to release that tech with the hex pickup in a dual pedal format I bet it might sell. Dumbed down modelling a la EHX.

You mean, the GP-10?

Offline Elantric

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2018, 06:15:19 PM »
You mean, the GP-10?

Agreed - in fact the GP-10 does a lot more compared to the Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar , and its simple use GP-10 only for Guitar Modeling + DSP Alt Tuning and Guitar to MIDI


Offline Cups

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #45 on: January 02, 2018, 10:21:44 PM »
I have a GP-10 and am in love with it. But I think it has a bit of an identity crisis. Maybe it's trying too hard to do everything and because of this it does a few things well and is lacking in a few other areas. A GP-10 format with just modelling and tuning and  better/more flexible in outs would be prettt cool, and sought after in my opinion

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Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #46 on: January 03, 2018, 03:35:10 AM »
its simple use GP-10 only for Guitar Modeling + DSP Alt Tuning and Guitar to MIDI

After having read elsewhere on the Forum that for another user the quality of Alt Tunings improved significantly (less warbling) when using the GP-10 solely for modeling and alt tunings, I had to test it with my Godin LGX-T.  I had visions of an ATG-1 at a fraction of the footprint!

So, I found a patch I had made with an acoustic 12-string tuned to drop D (think "The Wizard" from Uriah Heep) that sounds great, but turns into warble chaos during chord fadeout.  Perfect candidate.... took a completely separate patch, turned everything off except the modeled guitar and the tuning, and?  Since you only hear the guitar, the warbles come through much clearer  :'(.  No need to explain that a GK-3 performs better, I know that....  Fired up my Electra with the built-in ATG, played my drop D 12, no issues. 

I personally like the GP10 models quite a bit, and there is a lot more in very good quality than the ATG has to offer.  I also like many of the effects in the box and agree with Cups that better and more flexible ins and outs (routing) would make it even more attractive.  What seems to separate me from many on the forum is that I like playing wireless, with the option to get out in the audience if I so desire, so the current state of 13-pin will never be totally satisfying for me as long as it has to be hardwired.  I have been swimming through the ocean of information regarding FTP here, and will be almost certainly pulling the trigger on that soon.  At the same time, I totally understand what forum member Smash is going through with his lean toward acoustic; for the kind of stuff I do, if I can't pull off a perfomance utterly without electronic assistance, I'm doing something wrong.  Yin-yang, what a wonderful privilege to have the option of going full-tilt either way  :)!
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Offline Elantric

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #47 on: January 03, 2018, 11:28:49 AM »
After having read elsewhere on the Forum that for another user the quality of Alt Tunings improved significantly (less warbling) when using the GP-10 solely for modeling and alt tunings, I had to test it with my Godin LGX-T.  I had visions of an ATG-1 at a fraction of the footprint!

So, I found a patch I had made with an acoustic 12-string tuned to drop D (think "The Wizard" from Uriah Heep) that sounds great, but turns into warble chaos during chord fadeout.  Perfect candidate.... took a completely separate patch, turned everything off except the modeled guitar and the tuning, and?  Since you only hear the guitar, the warbles come through much clearer  :'(.  No need to explain that a GK-3 performs better, I know that....  Fired up my Electra with the built-in ATG, played my drop D 12, no issues. 

I personally like the GP10 models quite a bit, and there is a lot more in very good quality than the ATG has to offer.  I also like many of the effects in the box and agree with Cups that better and more flexible ins and outs (routing) would make it even more attractive.  What seems to separate me from many on the forum is that I like playing wireless, with the option to get out in the audience if I so desire, so the current state of 13-pin will never be totally satisfying for me as long as it has to be hardwired.  I have been swimming through the ocean of information regarding FTP here, and will be almost certainly pulling the trigger on that soon.  At the same time, I totally understand what forum member Smash is going through with his lean toward acoustic; for the kind of stuff I do, if I can't pull off a perfomance utterly without electronic assistance, I'm doing something wrong.  Yin-yang, what a wonderful privilege to have the option of going full-tilt either way  :)!


Many who need wireless opt for a guitar with internal DSP modeling (Line-6 Variax/ Roland VG Strat / Antares Luthier Kit ) and then output their mono wireless guitar signal into a SY-300 or laptop running Jam Origin MIDI Guitar , or use a Fishman Tripleplay wireless Guitar to MIDI system

Just know that all Guitar to MIDI systems will have more latency vs a direct DSP Modeling system (Line-6 Variax/ Roland VG Strat / Antares Luthier Kit ) or GK 13 connected VG-8/VG-88/VG-99/GP-10
     
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Offline carlb

Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #48 on: January 03, 2018, 01:24:21 PM »
Ken, it's so frustrating. So close, but still not there yet. Perhaps the string doubling might be too much for the GP-10's single processor when the alt-tuning is also deployed.

By the way, the ATG models sound a LOT better with a GK pickup instead of piezos. Acoustic models are very, very good, I'd say.

So for you, maybe:

GK -> ATG built-in -> Wireless -> GP-10 (1/4" input)

Can't get the nylon string patches with the above though. Dang!!
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Re: Boss V-BDN ( VG Strandberg) V-Guitar
« Reply #49 on: January 03, 2018, 02:55:02 PM »
So for you, maybe:
GK -> ATG built-in -> Wireless -> GP-10 (1/4" input)
Can't get the nylon string patches with the above though. Dang!!

Hey Carl, that's exactly what I've gone to, using this guitar: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=19806.0
My wireless is the Xvive U2, cheap but works flawlessly, and the mini-receiver gives me an instantaneous plug & play solution for unexpected instruments when I do live mixing*.  Only caveat is that a charge holds max. 5 hours; sometimes I do 4-set solo gigs lasting that long and the lack of extra charge cuts it too close for comfort.

....and then output their mono wireless guitar signal into a SY-300 or laptop running Jam Origin MIDI Guitar , or use a Fishman Tripleplay wireless Guitar to MIDI system

Just know that all Guitar to MIDI systems will have more latency vs a direct DSP Modeling system (Line-6 Variax/ Roland VG Strat / Antares Luthier Kit ) or GK 13 connected VG-8/VG-88/VG-99/GP-10     

Aware of this, the GR55 synths didn't cut the mustard for me in this regard either, which is why I sold mine.  Deep-diving the forum it appears the FTP is better, whereby I certainly would not want to rely on it for everything; I am deep-diving the ocean of FTP info here and elsewhere to try and configure the lowest-latency system I can based on my humble budget before I pull the trigger.  Maybe it will allow me to at least recover the nylon, which I dearly miss on the ATG, as well as the sitar, which with the GP10 was a guaranteed head-turning gimmick.

This looks very attractive: http://www.riversongguitars.com/guitars/tradition-2p-ga-stage-tp/, but it appears to be probably too stiff for my current budget and is not (yet) readily available.  I am more likely to either get something built from scratch with my 2nd ATG luthier kit and an Evertune bridge; I am also looking at a poor man's modification of this: http://www.snap-dragon-guitars.co.uk/snap-dragon-traxe-solo-noir-38-p.asp (you can see the pickups are mounted on a removable scratch plate, if I can fit my ATG and the FTP in the space available that could work).

* I use the Midas MR18 for mixing these days, and it's GREAT and inexpensive, including 4 stereo FX paths and a lot of good FX (Carl, including the BBE).  Highly recommended! 
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