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Offline carlb

ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« on: June 09, 2016, 03:47:01 PM »
One of the more difficult things for guitar processors is keeping artifacts to a minimum on patches translating standard tuning into open ones. How well does the Antares do on this?

It will be subjective from player to player. Maybe comparing to the GP-10 might be a good starting place for those who have both. I definitely get "warble" artifacts on the GP-10 for open-tuning patches. Even with dampeners placed post-nut and post-bridge, etc.

Thanks for any insights.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 04:07:31 PM by Elantric »
SH-575 and SH-475 Carvins w/ Roland hex pickups
Boss GP-10 (latest rig), Roland VG-99 (older rig), EHX Key 9 looped-in.
Gemini GX-150 FRFR powered speakers (drivers swapped to Carvin NE8-8 for weight and sound)
MIDX-20 and Morningstar MC6 for foot control, BBE Sonic Stomp after GP-10

Offline Elantric

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2016, 04:08:17 PM »
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 04:22:50 PM by Elantric »

Offline djidoe

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2016, 06:35:18 PM »
You will be happy with an ATG-1, believe me.

Offline carlb

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2016, 09:24:09 PM »
Wow. After watching some of the videos, I can see pairing a floor unit Antares with a Fractal AX8.

That setup by itself wouldn't capture the nylon string bossas, "big jazz box" ballads, or "synth" guitar sounds, but it would be quite the lush, accurate modeling for some unsurpassed tones. You could add the GP-10 to capture most of the oddball things, I suppose. Coordinated patches would be a hardware quandary and a chore though.

Sigh. I have to keep my rig simple and compact. Like for tomorrow night with 3 horns, bass, drums, keys, vocal, and me on a small coffee house stage. Heh! Bossas, funk, jazz ballads, sixties pop, forties torchlights, jazz rock ... GP-10 does pretty well for what I really need it for I suppose.

But someday!
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 09:47:40 PM by carlb »
SH-575 and SH-475 Carvins w/ Roland hex pickups
Boss GP-10 (latest rig), Roland VG-99 (older rig), EHX Key 9 looped-in.
Gemini GX-150 FRFR powered speakers (drivers swapped to Carvin NE8-8 for weight and sound)
MIDX-20 and Morningstar MC6 for foot control, BBE Sonic Stomp after GP-10

Offline BBach

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2016, 11:09:25 AM »
There can be some warbliness depending on the transposition, model, and gain staging . The latest firmware includes an adjustable gate that will cut off the signal when the amplitude falls below the level where the processing starts to become unstable. This can really help. You do have to tweek the gain staging between everything in the signal chain. When you do, I think you will be pleased.

Offline carlb

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2016, 12:27:11 PM »
Is that the latest firmware for the GP-10 or the Antares (could possibly apply to either)?
SH-575 and SH-475 Carvins w/ Roland hex pickups
Boss GP-10 (latest rig), Roland VG-99 (older rig), EHX Key 9 looped-in.
Gemini GX-150 FRFR powered speakers (drivers swapped to Carvin NE8-8 for weight and sound)
MIDX-20 and Morningstar MC6 for foot control, BBE Sonic Stomp after GP-10

Offline BBach

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2016, 02:39:33 PM »
The gate is part of the new ATG-1 firmware. I have no experience with the GP10

Offline carlb

Re: ATG - Retuning "warble" artifacts?
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2016, 12:13:35 PM »
Sometimes I'm really slow on the uptake ... It just occurred to me that I could use the Antares and GP-10 together. While I'd love to use a Fractal for the amp modeling, the GP-10 is no slouch for that or effects.

So use the Antares for alternate tuning and "play in-tune" features, feed its 1/4" output to the GP-10. Take the buffered 13-pin output of the Antares to the GP-10 input.

If I can get a MIDX-10 at some point, I'll be could coordinate patches between the Antares and the GP-10.

Not too bad ...
SH-575 and SH-475 Carvins w/ Roland hex pickups
Boss GP-10 (latest rig), Roland VG-99 (older rig), EHX Key 9 looped-in.
Gemini GX-150 FRFR powered speakers (drivers swapped to Carvin NE8-8 for weight and sound)
MIDX-20 and Morningstar MC6 for foot control, BBE Sonic Stomp after GP-10