Behringer iStudio IS202

Started by Elantric, July 02, 2013, 04:28:38 PM

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mbenigni

Quote@-mbenigni-your I-Pad GR55 editor videos are excellent. Thank you for those!

Thank you, Toby!  There are so few people using that set up I tend to feel like I'm talking to myself when I record the videos - so I really appreciate the positive feedback.  I have a few more on deck but I wasn't satisfied with the quality, and haven't uploaded them yet.  (The audio on my phone's video camera is sometimes glitchy.)  Eventually I'd like to get to where I'm not merely explaining the tool, but demonstrating some of the fun and unique things you can do with it.  But there are just so many hours in the day, and every time I pick up the project again I feel like I'm starting over - literally from page (i.e. tab) one.  :)

No help that the GR55 isn't really in my primary rig right now, nor that TouchOSC SysEx was never confirmed to work with anything other than the costly/uncommon Missing Link.  But theoretically the iPad + iStudio and a plain old MIDI cable should do the trick.  If so, I might consider stripping the GR55 mainboard out of it's chassis and making it part of my rig again.  And a more common interface might stir up some interest with new users.

Elantric

QuoteThere are so few people using that set up I tend to feel like I'm talking to myself when I record the videos -

Marc, your efforts  got a lot of notice and really inspired many others

http://createdigitalmusic.com/2011/09/rolands-gr-55-guitar-synth-powers-unlocked-with-touchosc-and-ipad/

mbenigni

Quote from: Elantric on July 29, 2013, 10:16:39 AM
Marc, your efforts  got a lot of notice and really inspired many others

Thanks again for your support these past couple of years, Steve.

Elantric


krellmusician

Elantric, have you managed to look at the iStudio to figure out how to add an internal USB host port to it?  Inquiring minds want to know>>> ;)

Ringleader

#30
While waiting to see the outcome on this hack I began to wonder if there might be any other devices that provide power to the iPad and could be hacked to add a USB hub. I really only am looking for a small device that can charge the iPad with a few added USB ports. Any other features would be a bonus.

It seems that the keys to unlocking this addition of USB port functionality are 1) MFi (made for iphone/ipad) compatible. 2) AC adapter input. 3) No CCK involved at all.

The Ampkit LiNK HD is a MFi device that also has an AC power adapter input for iPhone/iPad charging. The adapter hasn't been released yet, but I can't see how it would be any different than a standard adapter 5v @ approx 2.5 - 3A with the correct polarity (assuming center +).

Anyone seeing any obvious reasons why this device couldn't be hacked to add a USB hub? I get that the hub likely wouldn't fit in the LiNK HD chasis like it would in the Behringer iStudio, but if the hack would work I could figure out a way to house it.

Elantric

#31
Ive been really booked up with gigs, and out of town travel on weekends to finalize the iStudio IS202 "hack" - will report when its completed

Another possible device that might work out of the box is the Red  Akai EIE (Not the Akai EIE"Pro)
http://www.akaipro.com/eie

It includes a working USB Hub on the rear and it already works with iPad - since its a USB Class Compliant Audio  / MIDI device.



See the USB Hub on Rear - this is where the FTP Receiver might plug in and work with iPad.

If anyone own one of these Akai EIE, IPad and a Tripleplay - would be a nice hardware test to see if the EIE allows the FTP to work with iPad - thru the Host port on the rear of the Akai EIE

Ringleader

But remember - no iPad charging with the EIE. Almost pulled the trigger on that a couple weeks ago but decided I wasn't going to purchase another iPad interface that didn't charge also.

Elantric

QuoteAlmost pulled the trigger on that a couple weeks ago but decided I wasn't going to purchase another iPad interface that didn't charge also.
Correct!

It would appear the guaranteed interface that Charges the iPad and provides a USB Host Port Hub for Tripleplay is the modified Alesis I/O Dock.
http://www.untergeek.de/2013/01/tech-hack-alesis-io-dock-with-usb-hub/

With my current schedule it will be late August before I have time to dive into the Behringer iStudio IS-202 to make the same mod

Ringleader

Quote from: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 10:02:32 AM

It would appear the guaranteed interface that Charges the iPad and provides a USB Host Port Hub for Tripleplay is the modified Alesis I/O Dock.


Which is why the Ampkit link HD is intriguing. I would only be buying it to steal whatever circuitry is in there that allows charging and USB data, but can't decide if it is worth $100 to hack it and probably end up destroying it lol.

sjamus

Hi everyone.

Interesting read. I've found a Youtube video showing the Akai EIE unit actually works as a hub (even though a BIG hub ;)). You'll find it here:

mdorren

Greetings.
I'm not quite sure how to handle this challenge since I can't find a behringer forum to go to, but I just received an is202 from sameday music and it doesn't seem to be making a connection with my ipad 2.  It physically connects up ok, but there is no audio connection and it's not charging.  Admittedly, I'm not an apple guy.  Perhaps there is some sort of way that I'm supposed to tell the IOS that it is plugged in.  Thanks in advance.
Marty

Elantric

#37
Sounds like a problem with your IS202 - or maybe you have not aligned up or fully inserted the 30 pin I/O port with the iPad Dock Port?

With my Powered off iPad 2 (64GB 3G AT&T), I just carefully slide it into the IS202 (with supplied IS202 AC Power Wall wart) and turn on the IS202's Power Switch, then Power on the iPad2, and I can See the iPad Charge indicator via the iPad Battery Status indicator.

(The IS202 will Not charge ipad using the IS202's AA batteries.)   


I Launch any Audio App and I can "see" the choices for using Stereo Audio Inputs - These are from the IS202. Connect Headphones and sounds from all IOS Audio Apps emerge from IS202's Headphone jack and L/R Audio Outputs   


IS202 Owners Manual
http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iS202.aspx
http://www.behringer.com/assets/iS202_QSG_WW.pdf


If problems persist -  Contact SameDay Music for a replacement  / refund.

myksara

Has anyone been successful using the ftp with is202 now?
Guitars: Ibanez Prestige S5470, Ibanez Jem 7v, Ibanez JS2410, PRS SE Custom24, Cort  Ltd G16, Ibanez RG370Ahmz,
MultiFX: Roland GR55, Zoom 1on, BOSS GT00
Loopers: Digitech trio+, Line 6 JM4
MIDI:, MAudio Axiom24 keyboard, Alesis IO Dock with iPad air 2

mdorren

Elantric,
Sorry for the delay and thanks for the help.  As it turns out, it WAS faulty upon sending it back to them they sent me a new one at the refurbished price (100.00)... nice gesture.

I have a 12-step midi controller triggering a number of synths in the ipad successfully, but I also have a gr-55 inputting into the Behringer.  I can only hear the soft synths through the outputs but I can hear both through the headphone out.

Any thoughts?

Thanks again, regards, Marty

Elantric

#40
Suggest read the iStudio IS202 manual.

There is a "mixer / audio selector / router  built into the analog front end of the IS-202  and its important to read how to control its audio routing in the Quick Start Manual

http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/iS202.aspx

http://www.behringer.com/assets/iS202_QSG_WW.pdf


===

After spending more time with the Behringer  IS202 - I hear  a bit less clarity, which implies that despite having 24bit AD, my ears tell me the iPad must be seeing the IS202 as a 16 bit audio interface. Today my IK iRig Pro has 24bit A/D and has the most clarity.   

Elantric

#41
When using iPad Air with IS-202, Yes - its necessary to improvise a rear spacer to insure good alignment with the existing 30 pin port.
I just used 4 stacks of post it notes (one for each corner under the iPad) , I peeled off so each "Post it Note Pile "spacer" is approx 2.5mm tall.


Once you have a spacers, then this Apple 30 pin to Lightning adapter works fine  for using the iPad Air with IS-202, or Alesis IO Dock.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD823ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter?fnode=3a 



EDIT: Dec 21, 2013
Ive given up on that USB Hub mod on both my IO Dock or IS-202  - because both are 16 bit Audio only and Positive Grid Bias IOS Amp sim requires a 24 bit A/D Interface  to hear the full complexities and have a usable volume pot on your guitar.   

My new direction is this path
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10138.msg73102#msg73102


Elantric


Read this thread for my latest iPad Guitar Interface(24bit I/O, full MIDI I/O, Battery powered for 6 hours use)

Use Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 + Fishman Tripleplay with iPad on Battery Power
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10323.msg74428#msg74428

greekjgg

How does the new Alesis IO 2 Dock compare spec wise to this unit?
Setup:
Homemade EVH Frankenstrat with built in GK3
GR55
Rocktron Talkbox
TC Helicon Voicetone C1
Tech 21 Power Engine 60

Elantric

#44
QuoteHow does the new Alesis IO 2 Dock compare spec wise to this unit?

I say skip both (due to Noisy Mic Pres present on both Alesis IO 2  and IS202, and use the following setup instead

Use Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 + Fishman Tripleplay with iPad on Battery Power
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10323.msg74428#msg74428

greekjgg

Quote from: Elantric on January 28, 2014, 07:46:15 AM
I say skip both and do the following

Use Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 + Fishman Tripleplay with iPad on Battery Power
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10323.msg74428#msg74428

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Its on my radar, has the system improved? Last I read it wasn't quite ready for "live" situations. I see your vast setup and its very interesting. Also, I use Floyd Roses, any experience with tracking with those? Was really looking at the antares, but they sorta disappointed in pricing so I'm looking at this again if its live ready.


Setup:
Homemade EVH Frankenstrat with built in GK3
GR55
Rocktron Talkbox
TC Helicon Voicetone C1
Tech 21 Power Engine 60

Elantric

QuoteIts on my radar, has the system improved?

No need for improvement IMHO, my Scarlett 2i4 on Battery power works exceptionally well - best iPad Audio Interface i have.

Use Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 + Fishman Tripleplay with iPad on Battery Power
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10323.msg74428#msg74428

jonnyj

Hello Elantric and everyone. I've been working with the Behringer iStudio the last few days and was wondering if you or anyone else using it with some of the ideas shown here has found a 30 to 30 pin extension cable that is Apple compatible and can work with the 30 pin to lightning adapter? Right now I'm using the 30 pin to lightning adapter with my iPad 4 connected to the Behringer iStudio and it works great. I have a generic 30 to 30 pin cable that works with other docks but not the Behringer. I'm primarily interested in the 30 pin to 30 pin cable so I can use my iPad mic mount stand and leave the Behringer on the floor or another stand. :)
"You are what you is"

Elantric

#48
I understand there is a problem when IOS devices with Lightning connectors do not support use with long extension cables and the connected audio gear is too far away from the ipad/iphone 

I found a long Lighting Cable extender on Ali-Express.com ( China Ebay) but it did not work with my iPad mini or iPad Air

If you find something let us know.

There are reports this might work:

so go Ipad> Apple Lighting to 30 pin adapter
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD824ZM/A/lightning-to-30-pin-adapter-02-m?fnode=3a



and then

http://www.amazon.com/Patuoxun-Extender-Extension-Support-Transfer/dp/B009C7HGE0/ref=pd_cp_cps_0
Patuoxun Dock Extender Extension Data Sync Charge Cable for iPod iPad iPhone 3GS 4 4G 4S (Support Audio/S-Video Transfer)


jonnyj

Hi thank you for your reply. I'm considering one of those Patuoxun cables. Over the weekend I tried my generic 30 pin extender cable again just to be sure since it works with other docks. I got it to work for a bout a minute each time I plugged it in and then it would default the iPad speakers. Seems it only does charging and syncing even though it works with other gear. Anyhow I bought an official Apple 30 Pin to Lightning adapter and it works with the iStudio fine. I'm thinking about returning the Behringer now and sticking with my original setup using M-Audio's M-Track which works very well with the iPad. I was hoping to clean up the spaghetti of never ending cables with the dock.

I will post results should I ened up with the Patuoxun cable. 8)
"You are what you is"