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chrish

If the USB is class compliant  does that mean that synth can act as a host for the Triple Play dongle?

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Quote from:  Bluesbird on January 21, 2021, 08:41:44 PM
Yes, if it has a usb A port that accepts a USB class compliant controller.

MOD DUO X
M-Audio Accent Stage Piano Module

1010music Blackbox

AKAI MPC-LIVE

AKAI MPC-X

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VECTOR SYNTH
Hybrid synthesis engine
Complex modulators
16 voice polyphony with per-voice filters
Extensive arpeggiator with a step sequencer
Carefully selected and tuned effects
7" capacitive touchscreen
25 smooth clickless rotary encoders
7 toggle switches
Metal case 29×18×5cm (total height 7.5cm)
1.5kg weight, robust build
Stereo 6.35mm output (2× mono jack)
Stereo 6.35mm headphone output
Ethernet port
USB device, USB host
MIDI TRS input and output ports
Runs on ARM® Cortex™-A53
Powered by realtime Linux
32-bit internal processing
32-bit DAC (106dB SNR)
Firmware update via LAN or USB drive


https://www.vectorsynth.com/

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Quote from:  Bluesbird on January 21, 2021, 08:41:44 PM
Yes, if it has a usb A port that accepts a USB class compliant controller.

Be careful and review the owners manual for synth under review 
- not all Synths with a USB-A port support USB MIDI Note on/off events
Example - older Yamaha Motif have USB-A port, but thats only for USB Mass Storage devices.
While the new Korg Kronos Music Workstation does support USB MIDI Class Complaint devices.

Chumly

I'm happy to report I have a Korg Kronus X, but I have not tried it with my Godin Session Custom Tripleplay, I guess it will work.
I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. - Richard P. Feynman

Chumly

From one senior member to another senior member, as long as I do not have a senior moment, I will be happy to oblige in the coming weeks; today I have to prepare for a battery of medical tests, not that I expect they will find anything seriously wrong, outside of the fact that the average human life is only 650,000 hours, too bad I can't sync MIDI clock to my biological clock and slow things down!
I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. - Richard P. Feynman

GuitarBuilder

Don't forget to look at the Eurorack Modular ecosystem!  There are several modules that act as a USB host; beyond that point you can custom create whatever synth you want and not be limited by what a manufacturer put in the box.

I've tested several myself, including the Polyend Poly2 and the Squarp Hermod:

https://polyend.com/poly2-midi-to-cv-converter/

https://squarp.net/hermod/

Both offer much more than simple USB hosting; their functionality allows for very creative triggering and control for VOs, VCFs, VCAs, and just about anything else you can think of.  Check out this site where all currently available Eurorack modules are listed:

https://www.modulargrid.net/

Eurorack Modular finally solved my greatest concern about hardware synths: lack of substitution and/or expandability of functions.  Who here doesn't wish their Roland/BOSS or other hardware synth could just do this one other effect or perhaps slightly different processing order?  With Eurorack you swap or add in a new module and away you go!

"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

lumena

Definitely Eurorack.

Poly 2 was simple to config - and can be done on the box without extra things. I have also tested it with the FC-1 and this week will be testing it with expression pedal outs through the gates and cv so that way I will also have 2 foot switches and a pedal that can be mapped anywhere.

This is a teaser shot, I am hoping first euro setup next week. Ordering things has really been slow and seems like always quite a wait. In this shot... Gristelizer preamp, poly 2, edge of Assimil8or- coming soon Mutable Elements and Maneco 16 sec delay Euro, Viol Ruina, Ornaments and Crime. Whole rack will be 104hp in Intellijel 104 Palette- About 20" x 8"x 2.5"- weighs about 4lbs. I will do a couple of posts when it is all working.

paganskins

Quote from: admin on January 21, 2021, 08:57:06 PM
MOD DUO X
M-Audio Accent Stage Piano Module

1010music Blackbox

AKAI MPC-LIVE

AKAI MPC-X

I can also confirm FTP connect works with the Akai Force, the best tracking and performance I've had from any hardware synth with FTP or GK to midi.

Mod Duo isn't as good, much more prone to false triggers with FTP. However there are a lot of midi utilities in the device which can be used tame the midi before it gets to the synth module.

kenact

Quote from: Chumly on January 22, 2021, 09:36:42 AM
I'm happy to report I have a Korg Kronus X, but I have not tried it with my Godin Session Custom Tripleplay, I guess it will work.

I also have a Godin Session Custom Tripleplay. It's a great instrument, but it still doesn't get as much play as my LGXT/GR-55 setup.
Godin Session & Montreal FTP, LGXT, LGX SA, Redline, ACS, A12, A11, A10, A4
Danoblaster Baritone w/GK-3
Gretsch Nashville, Viking
Fender Strats
Fret King Supermatic
Larrivee DV03RE
Parker Midi Fly
Seagull, S&P 12
VOX Phantom XII
GR-55, 33, 30, 20, GI-20, RC-50, US-20, VG-99, VP-7
Sentient 6
Cyr 7

chlorinemist

Futuresonus Parva



8 voice analog polysynth. 8 Part multi-timbral, enabling "MIDI MONO MODE" and independent settings per string. Octophonic voice outputs.



Been meaning to try running its voice outs into my 6Appeal/H8000 processing chain..



pasha811

#12
Sorry for asking.... just to check my understanding, if I have a synth on the other side with USB HOST and Note On/off capability can a GP10 be used instead of FTP? (I know I will observe an higher latency).  I like the GR-1 concept because I was exploring this FREE concept (the Kit has to be bought):

https://zynthian.org/

I think many on this forum can build this one without the Kit!

:)
Listen to my music at :  http://alonetone.com/pasha/

Dalai_llama

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Sorry for asking.... just to check my understanding, if I have a synth on the other side with USB HOST and Note On/off capability can a GP10 be used instead of FTP?

You will need a guitar-to-midi system with class compliant USB. Please see here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13743.0
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11998.0

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https://zynthian.org/
I think many on this forum can build this one without the Kit!

Zynthian is a great little synth, and responds quite well to the Triple Play. You can build one without the kit.

For that matter, the Pisound is also a USB midi host and has 5-pin Midi I/O. I use it with PureData:

https://blokas.io/pisound

You can see it in action here with 3 USB midi controllers at once:



pasha811

Quote from: Dalai_llama on March 13, 2021, 07:39:48 AM
You will need a guitar-to-midi system with class compliant USB. Please see here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13743.0
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11998.0

Zynthian is a great little synth, and responds quite well to the Triple Play. You can build one without the kit.

For that matter, the Pisound is also a USB midi host and has 5-pin Midi I/O. I use it with PureData:

https://blokas.io/pisound

You can see it in action here with 3 USB midi controllers at once:



Thanks! Great stuff, exciting world :-)
I was able to connect a GP10 to an Alesis Nanosynth via Raspi + Roland USB to MIDI so it should be class compliant as it worked with no driver (Alsa has native Roland drivers working) but I have no experience with FTP. So better ask. Just downloading Zynthian to give it a go on my PI 3B.
Listen to my music at :  http://alonetone.com/pasha/

GuitarBuilder

For those who are more adventurous and want to assemble their own custom synth, there is the Eurorack option.  All you need is a MIDI-CV module with at least 6 channels of pitch and gate outputs.  I can recommend two from personal experience with FTP:

Squarp Hermod (combined with sequencer)
https://squarp.net/hermod/

Polyend Poly2
https://polyend.com/poly2-midi-to-cv-converter/

Both have MIDI pass-through so one can also connect traditional synths in parallel with the Eurorack modular synth.
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

CodeSmart

I don't care about rack stuff, desktop or PC stuff. If I'm ever going to use the TP live (replacing the GR-55) I want a practical size solid stomp box with a lot of PCM sounds (parts of Integra-7 sort of) to plug the TP plug into. Rock-solid beer-spill proof hardware, no automatic Internet updates during show, no surprises. No plastic. Have I missed something? Or am I just an cranky old fart?
But I got more gear than I need...and I like it!

GuitarBuilder

Quote from: CodeSmart on March 18, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
I don't care about rack stuff, desktop or PC stuff. If I'm ever going to use the TP live (replacing the GR-55) I want a practical size solid stomp box with a lot of PCM sounds (parts of Integra-7 sort of) to plug the TP plug into. Rock-solid beer-spill proof hardware, no automatic Internet updates during show, no surprises. No plastic. Have I missed something? Or am I just an cranky old fart?
You forgot: no batteries.....I myself prefer a rock-solid beer-spill-proof MIDI foot controller that controls the precious synth + FTP safely tucked away at the back of the stage.
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

CodeSmart

#18
Quote from: GuitarBuilder on March 18, 2021, 03:59:06 PM
You forgot: no batteries.....I myself prefer a rock-solid beer-spill-proof MIDI foot controller that controls the precious synth + FTP safely tucked away at the back of the stage.

That depends on how much things you want to carry around and also I find all MIDI controllers pretty stupid as they don't know what actually happened in the other end after they fired off a CC#

A stomp box with a synth engine (and a FTP USB port) showing "I'm a Integra-7 Grand Piano" on the display I find very robust and reliable and easy to carry.
But I got more gear than I need...and I like it!

whippinpost91850

Sounds good. I'm lookin to doing a FTP for live.......I may look into an integra

Shingles

Quote from: CodeSmart on March 18, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
I don't care about rack stuff, desktop or PC stuff. If I'm ever going to use the TP live (replacing the GR-55) I want a practical size solid stomp box with a lot of PCM sounds (parts of Integra-7 sort of) to plug the TP plug into. Rock-solid beer-spill proof hardware, no automatic Internet updates during show, no surprises. No plastic. Have I missed something? Or am I just an cranky old fart?

Yes, a modern take on the old Shadow SH22 would be nice.
But the market is so small!
Fishman made an active choice not to develop a hardware synth but to rely on SW instead. They even require you to buy the additional foot controller to access real 5-pin MIDI.
🤬
This is why I haven't bought an FTP.

As a long time Axon user I was asked, when the FTP was in development, what it should be and what it should have. I gave them a list. For the most part the FTP is the opposite of everything I suggested.
👎🏻
Nik
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Tonelab, VG99, Axon AX100, EDP, Repeater
Godin, PRS, Crafter and Roland guitars
Center Point Stereo Spacestation V3

Dalai_llama

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As a long time Axon user I was asked, when the FTP was in development, what it should be and what it should have. I gave them a list. For the most part the FTP is the opposite of everything I suggested.
👎🏻

And based on yours and my own views, I said those exact same things to the Fishman team further developing the FTP, including during my visit to Andover a few months before launch. Whereas I can agree to a portion of their rationale from a marketing standpoint, product-wise I knew we had lost that battle when Andy showed me the prototype and I realised it was to be a GK-like snap-on box entirely based on software. It was the exact opposite concept I had been testing for months (including its plugin) for Andras. I was so disheartened that, later in the day when someone finally handed me a guitar connected to a Mac Mini so I could test it, I barely played for two minutes.

And the hard fact in front of my nose is: FTP is nice, fast, accurate, etc., but my Axon + Proteus combo has yet to find a suitable replacement. I can also use it with piezo guitars and it tracks quite well. I can use it with software instruments quite nicely.

vtgearhead

Quote from: CodeSmart on March 18, 2021, 03:54:48 PM
I don't care about rack stuff, desktop or PC stuff. If I'm ever going to use the TP live (replacing the GR-55) I want a practical size solid stomp box with a lot of PCM sounds (parts of Integra-7 sort of) to plug the TP plug into. Rock-solid beer-spill proof hardware, no automatic Internet updates during show, no surprises. No plastic. Have I missed something? Or am I just an cranky old fart?

Spot on.  You've neatly summarized all the reasons for my not owning an FTP.

Shingles

Quote from: Dalai_llama on March 19, 2021, 07:51:57 AM

And the hard fact in front of my nose is: FTP is nice, fast, accurate, etc., but my Axon + Proteus combo has yet to find a suitable replacement. I can also use it with piezo guitars and it tracks quite well. I can use it with software instruments quite nicely.


Yup.
An Axon and a Proteus 2000; who could ask for more?
🙂
Nik
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Tonelab, VG99, Axon AX100, EDP, Repeater
Godin, PRS, Crafter and Roland guitars
Center Point Stereo Spacestation V3

Dalai_llama

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Rock-solid beer-spill proof hardware, no automatic Internet updates during show (...), no surprises. No plastic. Have I missed something? Or am I just an cranky old fart?

Robert, whereas we all might be edging on "oldfartedness" due to age or whatever, the above conditions are IT. Whether one is a super pro musician playing for 50K people at a stadium or the average musician playing gigs here and there, one NEEDS consistency, dependability, sturdiness, and as much quality as one can cram into those three.

Quote from: Shingles
Yup.
An Axon and a Proteus 2000; who could ask for more?
🙂

Luckily, I got even more that I asked. The person from whom I purchased the Proteus was already asking little ($100), but when it was time to pick it up, he lowered the price to $60 due to a very minimal rack scratch. Later that day I found that it also had extra ROM modules inside (including the Composer)! :D