Katana Mk1 - Gumtown's Katana FxFloorBoard Editor

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Beanow

Quote from: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 11:46:26 AM
People always ask if the Katana Reverb knob on the amp can be re-purposed as another effect?

The reverb knob is tied to the GT-100esque reverb effect. So the firmware won't let you.
Similarly I see pretty often the idea of assigning different amp models as replacements for the default 5 amp types. Same story, not without different firmware.

Elantric

#51
Quote from: Beanow on April 13, 2017, 12:53:47 PM
The reverb knob is tied to the GT-100esque reverb effect. So the firmware won't let you.
Similarly I see pretty often the idea of assigning different amp models as replacements for the default 5 amp types. Same story, not without different firmware.

But a few folks have already mentioned success storing the new Amp models to the 4 presets ( CH1, CH2, CH3,CH4)   

its just the "Panel mode"  where we must stick with the stock factory amps 

Maybe someone can create a BugZilla page  ?
https://www.bugzilla.org/
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla

Free for 5 users here
http://www.bugheaven.com/

Meesha

you can drag reverb everywhere in flrbrd... quite funny to hear it first in chain )))

Elantric

#53
Quote from: Meesha on April 13, 2017, 01:14:14 PM
you can drag reverb everywhere in flrbrd... quite funny to hear it first in chain )))

dont laugh - placing spring reverb 1st in line is the essential part of the audio signal chain for nailing 1963 Surf "Drippy reverb" guitar tones



that remains Dick Dales signal chain today

and its how I do it too


Jazzmaster guitar  > '63 Tube Reverb Tank > Fender Dual Showman ( or Twin Reverb)

Beanow

#54
Quote from: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
But a few folks have already mentioned success storing the new Amp models to the 4 presets ( CH1, CH2, CH3,CH4)

I didn't mean the Ch1-4 presets. That indeed works with sneaky amp storage.
But you can't say for example I want LEAD on my Amp Type knob to always be a vintage rectifier instead of the 5150 default.

Quote from: Elantric on April 13, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
Maybe someone can create a BugZilla page?

Github lets you track issues for free indefinitely. There I created an organization katana-dev that can hold many projects. But what do you want to track there?

fificap

Quote from: stevesilk51 on April 13, 2017, 03:47:15 AM
...
Messed around for a while with other midi ins and outs, still nothing, then noticed the deBug mode check box in the FxFloorboard Prefs. Ticked it,
clicked connect - SUCCESS! Surprised the hell out of me!...


Thanks for the trick, it works (connect) for me now with debug on !

gumtown

#56



More tweaks and another update of all 3 platforms
version 20170414 (14th April)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

Worked at it so late that I have forgotten what the updates are,
The Patch Tree lists are better aligned to Katana format,
the "Connect" requirements are less strict so should connect without 'deBug' mode engaged.
Cleaning up some of the effects, removed the Amp cabinets, as I find out which effects do or don't work, then I will clean those up.
I am getting conflicting and fragmented information of which do or don't work.

I require a copy of the system data file, from the 'File Menu, is an option to save System data, this will save as a file labelled "system_save.syx", if some kind person could attach that here or email it to me. (cheers).


enjoy !!

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Beanow

Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
I am getting conflicting and fragmented information of which do or don't work.

I'm pretty confident about the sections here that DON'T work because of firmware level disabling.
https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

I haven't gone through all the individual parameters but here's what I got so far:

Quote
Normally when you send a command to the Katana, it will acknowledge the change in a response.

When the Katana does not send these acknowledgements, that is the equivalent of saying the command was invalid. It's a pretty strong indication that this feature is not available. This is what I mean with rejected.

❌ A-Dist boost mutes your signal.
❌ Pan effect is mixed down to mono, making it pointless.
❌ Humanizer random mode is rejected.
❌ Changing Rotary speed, rise time and fall time is rejected (forced to Fast, 0, 0).
❌ Setting compressor to type Stereo is rejected.
❌ Setting Pitch Shifter to Stereo voice is rejected.
❌ Setting Harmonist to Stereo voice is rejected.
❌ Vibrato trigger on/off and rise time is rejected.
❌ Changing noise detection type is rejected.

Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
I require a copy of the system data file, from the 'File Menu, is an option to save System data, this will save as a file labelled "system_save.syx", if some kind person could attach that here or email it to me. (cheers).

Attached this. And to be sure I've included the output of one of my 2D data dumping scripts for the system and midi area as well.
Each row is 128 addresses. All values in hex.

stevesilk51

Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 05:01:38 AM
More tweaks and another update of all 3 platforms
version 20170414 (14th April)
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/

Worked at it so late that I have forgotten what the updates are,
The Patch Tree lists are better aligned to Katana format,
the "Connect" requirements are less strict so should connect without 'deBug' mode engaged.
Cleaning up some of the effects, removed the Amp cabinets, as I find out which effects do or don't work, then I will clean those up.
I am getting conflicting and fragmented information of which do or don't work.

I require a copy of the system data file, from the 'File Menu, is an option to save System data, this will save as a file labelled "system_save.syx", if some kind person could attach that here or email it to me. (cheers).


enjoy !!

Unfortunately, update deleted/replaced the patches I made and put in the "Init Patches" folder. Should have back them up  :-[   

So beware people, backup any of your own patches elsewhere first.

admin

Quote❌ Pan effect is mixed down to mono, making it pointless.


❌ Setting compressor to type Stereo is rejected.
❌ Setting Pitch Shifter to Stereo voice is rejected.
❌ Setting Harmonist to Stereo voice is rejected.


Of course the issue is the Katana hardware is not capable of stereo processing, its mono in  > mono out  - sadly even on headphones 

Beanow

Quote from: admsustainiac on April 14, 2017, 08:29:30 AM
Of course the issue is the Katana hardware is not capable of stereo processing, its mono in  > mono out  - sadly even on headphones

Yes, I took note of this anyway to report Boss took the time to disable most stereo effects in the firmware too.
It stood out to me. They must have been very determined to ensure the Katana does not have stereo.

Beanow

#61
Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 08:25:54 PM
I am finding some descriptions no explicit enough, like "compressor works except for stereo" is that the MOD and FX ones or the Main COMP stand alone effect?

From https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#sysex-patch-blocks

Range (hex)    Block name    Details
.. .. 00 20
.. .. 00 25    Compressor    Forced OFF.


That means on a firmware level the COMP standalone effect cannot be enabled, at all.
Working compressor reports, unless they have different firmware than I do, would need to be from the Mod/FX slot.
Same for EQ, same for Chorus. Since they're all disabled.


Quote from: gumtown on April 14, 2017, 08:25:54 PM
3.) I am assuming all the B chain effects are not working and can be removed (PreAmp B, Comp, EQ, Accel, PedalFX, Chorus, and NS2, and the 8 assigns too).

Aside from Accel, which I talked about here: https://github.com/katana-dev/docs/blob/master/tables/patch-capabilities.md#unconfirmed

Yes those are not usable. On top of that, definitely Mixer and quite possibly Divider might be removed as well.

gumtown

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Elantric

#63
I finally had opportunity to try out the "hidden " amps inside my Katana 100 head

Used Guntown's Katana FX Floorboard app last night.
Katana FxFloorBoard Editor

His zip file contains many Katana *.tsl presets, and i loaded up the one from Beanow that allowed me to swap out and demo all the Katana Amps.

I had spend the afternoon with my GT-1 and could compare the Amp models  between both GT-1 and Katana , all the Katana amp models are more dynamic ( more than the GT-1 Amp models) and respond to the guitar volume setting, and clean up when Guitar volume is rolled down to "2"  - very impressive dynamic range, and many new sounds otherwise not achievable.

I liked that I could move the Spring Reverb to the 1st in the signal chain, and could approximate 1963 surf tones  - now we need to see if the External FX loop signal chain order can be altered
     

patrick2099

I downloaded Katana FxFloorboard, and it seems to be really awesome and give me a whole lot more to mess around with. Thanks a lot to gumtownbassman for creating it.

I am noticing a problem, that may have already been covered in and earlier reply. When I select a model through Katana Fx Floorboard, it doesn't seem to be matched to what is on the Katana -- like it is offset by 1. For example:

1) Double-click the U01: Clean Chorus setting in KFF.
2) Look at Boss Tone Studio - Ch2 Crunch is selected
3) I can hear the Crunch channel through my amp
4) Looking at the settings in KFF, the Channel 1 (Clean Chorus) settings are showing.





It's probably something I'm doing wrong, since it seems to be working for others.  Have any ideas?  Thanks.

Elantric

Its best to run only ONE Katana Editor at a time.

MIDI Errors / conflicts may often occur when 2 Editors are connected to one Katana at the same time.

patrick2099

Quote from: Elantric on April 17, 2017, 03:10:32 PM
Its best to run only ONE Katana Editor at a time.

MIDI Errors / conflicts may often occur when 2 Editors are connected to one Katana at the same time.

The Midi Error is actually what I was expecting after I opened up BTS.  I was surprised that it worked.  I only opened up BTS when I noticed the odd behavior of KFF, but I still think that it is probably something I am either no understanding or doing wrong.

Should double-clicking the patch under Patch load that patch or is there another way to do it?

Elantric

#67
i just use the Katana FX Floorboard, and then on the AMP Block I choose my amp from the drop down list ( 28 Choices)

gumtown

I just noticed the patch selection (single-click Program change) is "out by 1", by chance I looked a the Katana user manual and found this  ;D.
Even though the system exclusive patch recalls are
Knob panel > CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4
the program changes are arranged
CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4 > Knob Panel.

I have already amended that for the next pending Katana FxFloorBoard editor update (coming soon - but wait there's more !!).

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

patrick2099

Quote from: gumtown on April 17, 2017, 06:35:21 PM
I just noticed the patch selection (single-click Program change) is "out by 1", by chance I looked a the Katana user manual and found this  ;D.
Even though the system exclusive patch recalls are
Knob panel > CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4
the program changes are arranged
CH1 > CH2 > CH3 > CH4 > Knob Panel.

I have already amended that for the next pending Katana FxFloorBoard editor update (coming soon - but wait there's more !!).

Great!  Thanks again for making this.  It is really fun to mess around with and some of the "new" amp models sound really good.  Now I'm going to have trouble trying to decide which ones to store in the amp =)

vtgearhead

Finally had a chance to work a bit with the 20170414 version.  Worked a treat for the most part, but seems confused after saving a patch to the amp.  It seems to come back from the save in a completely different state.  If I double-clock again on the patch number it loads back something that's almost right, but with some settings (e.g. T-Comp) not as expected.  I could get reliable saves only by setting up manually in the floorboard editor and using the front-panel button for save.  Another issue:  When I open up the deep edit dialog for the amp, its control widgets do not reflect the actual settings.  If I touch any of them I get the telltale "jump".  For example, a little nudge of the treble knob on the GUI caused a jump to icepick highs.  After dialing back the control things were fine again.

Let me know if there's anything I can do to help nail any of this down?

I have to say that the Marshal 1959 I+II is a great amp model.  With a wee bit of T-Comp (2-3) and chorus post-amp, it's instant Jimi.  Well, the tone anyway, not my playing :-)

gumtown

#71
Here is the next incarnation of the KATANA Fx FloorBoard editor
with a new look and layout, as most of the redundant effects have been removed.

Here is the windows download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_Setup.exe/download

Here is the mac os x download
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANAFxFloorBoard_mac-64.zip/download

and linux Ubuntu 64 here
https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/experimental/KATANA%20FXFloorBoard_linux-64.tar.gz/download

The problem I have with getting things 100% correct is I have not yet clapped eyes on a Katana.
So I hope you can persevere and provide some feedback on what's- what.

This version has some sysx file structure re-alignment, as parameters and things in the previous versions have been a bit off skewed.

One thing I am not yet understanding is the function of the Red/Green/Yellow led things on the amp.

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

admin

#72
QuoteOne thing I am not yet understanding is the function of the Red/Green/Yellow led things on the amp.

(The FX TRI- Color LED Switches are indicated in Yellow)

with each press, each individual switch selects RED, GREEN, YELLOW option for the current available FX for the currently selected AMP Channel memory slot)


The KATANA amp lets you switch between 15 types of effect by using the buttons and knobs.
You can use three types of effect simultaneously.


For each of the stock available "FX": (Booster/MOD),  (Delay/FX) , (Reverb), there are three possible variations available (Red, Green, Yellow)

Arranged as follows:

(1 ) Booster Option RED
(2 ) Booster Option GREEN
(3 ) Booster Option YELLOW

(4 ) MOD Option RED
(5 ) MOD Option GREEN
(6 ) MOD Option YELLOW

(7 ) DELAY Option RED
(8 ) DELAY  Option GREEN
(9 ) DELAY Option YELLOW

(10 ) FX Option RED
(11 ) FX Option GREEN
(12 ) FX Option YELLOW

(13 ) REVERB Option RED
(14 ) REVERB Option GREEN
(15 ) REVERB Option YELLOW






A separate set of 15 possible FX can be stored on each of the 4 memory slots (Amp CH1, CH2, Ch3, CH4)

See page 8 of Owners Manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/KATANA_e02_W.pdf


 




USER FEEDBACK-

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boss-katana-amplifiers.1744135/page-367#post-23966886

Quote from: fr8_trane, post: 23966957, member: 5644Ya know... I havent tried panel mode since I loaded the sneaky amps. I do know that the sneaky amps loaded into their respective channels do remain after power cycling and that I can tweak the amp knobs to change their sound in real time without the BTS.


QuoteCan confirm that you can write the sneaky amps into the Tone Settings section (buttons 1, 2, 3 or 4) and use the amps Bass, Mid and Treble tone controls without it reverting to a factory amp. However, if you touch the Amp Type knob, then it reverts to factory amps. I'm testing the sneaky amps in the panel section now and will report back.


https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/23967305/


Quote
Can also confirm that Sneaky amps persist in Panel Mode after a power cycle. Also persists after switching to another preset and back. I used the FX Floorboard to set the panel amp, then switched to another preset, powered down, waited 20 seconds and then powered up. The sneaky amp remained in the panel.


QuoteYeah. I open the sneaky live set and just drag the sneaky amp to the channel I want and Hit save. Once the sneaky amp is in the channel you can edit all the parameters in BTS as normal. I spent all day sunday jamming with the Sneaky amps in my basement music room away from the computer. Power cycled many times, adjusted the amp knobs for more or less gain or volume and made EQ tweaks.


Thanks for the info

theMinion

#73
Again, amazing work gumtown. I've had time to dig into the Katana FX Floorboard more today and have some observations to share. I am using the latest mac version posted April 20th on my Macbook Pro running OS X 10.11.6

I am getting an error message when launching the software or double clicking a preset in the side panel. I've attached the image. That being said, the software seems to still load in parameters and control the amp correctly as far as I can tell.

The FX loop is not working for me. I've verified that I am sending and receiving signal through it using Boss Tone Studio, however in KFXFB the controls are unresponsive.

I've uploaded a test patch that uses 5 Effects plus a Noise Gate and a Custom Amp to the Exchange section of the forum in case anybody wants to see/hear the possibilities that you are opening up with this software. Screenshots are there to show how it looks in both KFXFB and BTS.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=20747.0



Magicfingers

Same error on Windows 10. It does load ok though