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MIDI Controllers / Interface / Tone Modules => FC-300 MIDI Foot Controller => Topic started by: s0c9 on February 13, 2008, 07:59:53 AM

Title: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: s0c9 on February 13, 2008, 07:59:53 AM
According to product doc...
QuoteUsing commercially available LAN (Ethernet, CAT5) cable and the newly-adapted RRC2 protocol, the FC-300 provides both bidirectional MIDI transmission and electrical power supply with one simple connection between VG-99 and FC-300.

Does this mean that you do NOT need to use the FC300 power supply when used with a VG-99 ???

TIA,

-Steve
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on February 13, 2008, 08:10:59 AM
The VG-99 powers the FC-300 via the RRC-2 cable.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: s0c9 on February 13, 2008, 09:30:49 AM

Quote from: sustainiac on February 13, 2008, 08:10:59 AM
The VG-99 powers the FC-300 via the RRC-2 cable.

Yippee-kyyy-aaay !! 

That's a +1000 for live use !!
The fewer wal-wart PU's I need to carry and hook up, the better.

I can then assume that when used as a 'stand-alone' midi controller [no RRC-2], that the PU is required.

Thanks,
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on February 13, 2008, 09:56:35 AM
Yes - or Batteries - the FC-300 runs on "AA" bateries too
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: s0c9 on February 13, 2008, 11:03:30 AM
I did NOT know that....
I guess it helps to RTFM :)
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: guitarmandp on April 19, 2009, 02:49:51 PM
I just purchased a Roland FC-300 foot controller for my VG-99; Where do I get the RRC2 cable? Do they have it at GC? And does it not come with the FC-300?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on April 19, 2009, 03:32:34 PM
Did you get the VG-99  used?

If bought new - the RRC2 cable is in the VG-99 box.

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The recent Line6 VDI Ethercon cables  do not tangle  can work with VG-99 / FC-300 - AFTER you swap out one end for a standard RJ-45 crimp jack.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2FLine-6-Variax-DI-Digital-Interface-Lead-Cat5-Ethercon-Cables-Van-Damme-Cable-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTAwMFgxMDAw%2Fz%2FswgAAOxyMbFSUAHR%2F%24T2eC16JHJHUFFf8bE9JqBSU%21HQVL%28%21%7E%7E60_58.JPG&hash=6634b98fcbde7e544081a16e1b019a1663f598c8)

Looks like they use VanDamme 268-450-000 TourCat CAT 5E STP Flexible cable
http://www.van-damme.com/38.html (http://www.van-damme.com/38.html)

More details on the VG-99 RRC2 cable is here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55)
FC-300 Q & A FAQ (Translated from Roland Japan)


Q. FC-300 cable RRC2 looks like RJ45 plug is used, but what is the highly reliable special plug?

A. Yes, RJ45 plug, high reliability Neutrik made EtherCon type plug is used at the FC-300 RRC2 Input.
EtherCon plug and XLR plug both latch when using, Ethercon provides same type connection as RJ45.


Q. Can any MIDI Program change command be assigned to pedals of the FC-300?

A. Patch mode allows a number pedal to be assigned any value of MIDI program change command.


Q. Can the FC-300 pedal transmit MIDI note on/ off output information?

A. Patch mode allows a number of FC-300 and CTL1 pedal, pedal-2 notes any information can be stored.
Also, more than one pedal notes can be stored as a single pedal to operate only in code (chord) can be printed out.


Q. RRC2 cable can be built to custom length, please tell me specs.

A. A Custom RRC2 cable must have the following specifications please.

* At least five categories (Cat5)
* Less than 15 meters in total length
* RJ45 to Ethercon - Wired Straight cable, not "crossover type".


Q. FC-300 can be connected to cable and what equipment uses RRC2 interface?
A. Guitar VG-99 and V-RRC2 cable, FC-300 becomes VG-99 foot controller.


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55)

The RRC2 Ethercon pinout is
========================
1 = RCV_1
2 = RCV_2
3 = +5VDC
4 = +VREF
5 = +VREF
6 = TXD
7 = GND
8 = GND
SHELL = GND


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28.0;attach=820;image)

Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: LeeMorant on April 19, 2009, 11:29:04 PM
Any ethernet cable is fine, i use 2m patch leads cos they're v cheap and it dont matter when they get left behind at a gig!
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: germanicus on April 21, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
Out of curiosity any idea if the cable is crossover or not?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: LeeMorant on April 21, 2009, 01:04:28 AM
rj45 leads are not crossover, you can buy an adapter for that, but thats a rare occurence for normal usage and not needed for vg99.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on April 21, 2009, 05:23:05 AM
Q. RRC2 cable can be built to custom length, please tell me specs.

A. A Custom RRC2 cable must have the following specifications please.

* At least five categories (Cat5)
* Less than 15 meters in total length
* RJ45 to Ethercon - Wired Straight cable, not "crossover type".
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: rdomain on June 10, 2009, 10:41:14 PM
Hiya,

I was wondering if Roland sell the rrc2 cable that came with the vg99 separately at all?  I can't seem to find it for sale anywhere and I lost mine at a gig a while back.  I've been using my left over network cable ever since  ::)

Any info would be great.  I'm in Australia too.   8)

Thanks.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: embers on June 11, 2009, 02:40:11 AM
You can contact Roland in Australia at http://www.rolandcorp.com.au/
They were very helpful when I was chasing information about the internal GK KIT

regards

Wayne
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: fokof on June 11, 2009, 10:36:43 AM
I use standard RJ45 cable with one of these;
http://www.neutrik.com/fl/en/audio/210_1267482192/NE8MC_detail.aspx
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Nima on March 05, 2010, 01:43:51 PM
Hello,

Wondering if anyone knows where I could purchase the ethernet cable that comes with the VG-99 to connect to the FC-300 with the special XLR type housing.  I have the one I use.  Just need a backup and can't seem to find them anywhere.   At least none that are already assembled.  Thanks.

Nima
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: maxdaddy on March 05, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
Nima,
Any standard computer network cable (Category 5 cable with RJ45 ends) will work. If there's an IT department at your day-job, ask them for a "regular old network cable". They'll, no-doubt, have a drawer full of them. If this isn't an option, RadioShack/BestBuy/etc... will have what you need.

My FC300 didn't come with one of the cables with the fancy ends, luckily I had several extra network cables lying around already.

hope this helps
dave
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: paults on March 05, 2010, 03:12:43 PM
Ethernet with XLR housing cables are available from Line 6 dealers - Variax guitars connect to the PODX3 Live with one.  Or, you can also buy XLR ends that can be added onto any ethernet cable.   
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Nima on March 05, 2010, 04:33:08 PM
Thanks guys.  I knew that a standard ethernet cable worked and I'd been using one for a long time.  But I started having all kinds of problems lately.  So I tried a couple of other cables to make sure it wasn't my cat5 and still had problems.  So I pulled out the one that came with the VG and now I have no problems.  So maybe I just ended up having a bunch of faulty cables.  I do like the extra protection though.
I did find the XLR ends on amazon for really cheap.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: paults on March 05, 2010, 05:36:48 PM
Excellent! And , you're welcome  ;D
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on March 05, 2010, 05:57:32 PM
Roland has a document on this cable, and how to install a Ethercon Plug.

http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1810719/VG-99_l_ethercon_je1.pdf (http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1810719/VG-99_l_ethercon_je1.pdf)

There is a problem using a Line 6 VDI cable, as the VDI cable has two Ethercon connectors - one at each end.
And of course this will NOT fit the rear RRC2 jack on the VG-99



Neutrik Ethercon plugs will work with the FC-300


So find a flexible CAT-5 or CAT-6 cable, and install a Neutrik NE8MC Ethercon RJ45 connector at the FC-300 end.

Here are a few sources

Neutrik NE8MC Ethercon RJ45 Cable Housing Nickel


http://www.amazon.com/Neutrik-NE8MC-Ethercon-Housing-Nickel/dp/B00067JSSC (http://www.amazon.com/Neutrik-NE8MC-Ethercon-Housing-Nickel/dp/B00067JSSC)

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=092-180 (http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=092-180)


Roland RRC2 FAQ states:

A Custom RRC2 cable must have the following specifications please.

* At least five categories (Cat5)
* Less than 15 meters in total length
* RJ45 to Ethercon - Wired Straight cable, not "crossover type".
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: paults on March 05, 2010, 06:07:33 PM
Good point about the VG end of the cable - I controll my VG via MIDI, so I've never taken a close look at the connector  ::)

Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: ZORO on January 21, 2012, 05:00:35 PM
Does any one know how to get an RRC2 cable?  Goes from VG-99 to FC-300 foot controller.  Looking for an extra one.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: fokof on January 21, 2012, 06:21:50 PM
Any computer store.
Also called Cat5 and RJ45
They will come without the XLR type plug but it will work

If you want the "XLR" type of plug , ask any good music store in your neigbourhood  to order that part:
http://www.neutrik.com/en/industrial/ethercon/ethercon-cable-connector-carrier/ne8mc (http://www.neutrik.com/en/industrial/ethercon/ethercon-cable-connector-carrier/ne8mc)
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: cell7 on February 08, 2012, 02:39:25 AM
i just 'borrowed' a network cable from work on the premise that it looked the same - works a treat  ;D
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: rah3 on May 03, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Hello fellow FC-300 users,

My RRC 2 Out cable has decided to not come out of my FC-300. Anybody experience this? Any suggestions?

-RAH3
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: gumtown on June 01, 2012, 01:32:10 AM
If the cable is the same as an ordinary CAT5 ethernet cable, ensure the locking clip in the center is pressed all the way down while pulling out the cable.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: imall41 on June 01, 2012, 05:41:48 AM
I think rah3 may be referring to the cable that comes with the FC-300 (or VG-99, I don't remember which unit included the special cable, with the large metal sleeve that locks into the FC-300).
I had the same issue. I searched here for help, but didn't find any info.
The metal sleeve has a release, but there is no way to release the latch on the cat5 cable itself, inside the sleeve.
The latch on the cat5 cable should've been removed by Roland, on the end inside that metal sleeve.
I knew better, and wish I had thought of that before I attached it to the FC-300.
You need to break off that locking clip on the end of the cable, inside the sleeve, before plugging it into the FC.
I had to completely destroy that cable in order to release the clip, and remove it from the FC without damaging the FC.
I hope someone here has a trick I don't know of, but my solution wasn't pretty.
You might want to wait and see if someone chimes in here with a solution before you perform cable surgery like I had to.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Weed_ on July 30, 2013, 11:53:57 AM
Hello!

My RRC2 cable got stuck in the RRC2 input jack of FC300. There is no way to get it out.
I also took the whole controller apart, but it did not do any good..
Any ideas?


Thanks
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Brent Flash on July 30, 2013, 12:13:10 PM
You push the little tab and it does not release?  ???
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Weed_ on July 30, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
Exactly :'( !
It releases a little bit, so I can hear the "click" when it locks back in, but the cable does not come out, it just moves for 0,5 cm.  :-\
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Brent Flash on July 30, 2013, 12:26:08 PM
Get a real thin flat head screwdriver and work it in just under the tab that you push. The connector has a slot that the lock goes in, you may be able to get the screwdriver to push the latch out of the slot as you push the tab and the screwdriver in at the same time. Kinda like opening a door with a credit card, if you know what I mean.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Weed_ on July 30, 2013, 12:31:08 PM
Thanks, I'll try!
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: szilard on July 30, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
There is a document that describes how to replace the housing, it might be helpful to see how it works ...

http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=VG-99&id=1810719 (http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=VG-99&id=1810719)

VG-99_l_ethercon_je1.pdf
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: big_jan on July 30, 2013, 06:07:03 PM
If all else fails, send to a proper Roland Service Center. I had mine stuck too when a use a generic LAN cable. Luckily mine was still under warranty. It took a month to get the parts from Japan to Singapore. Fyi
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Radley on November 19, 2013, 11:33:16 PM
Can anyone tell me where I can find a reasonable deal on the unique cat-5 cable that connects the VG99 to the FC-300, and also provides phantom powering?

Thanks,
Hadley
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: rolandvg99 on November 20, 2013, 12:17:17 AM
By one of these from Neutrik: http://www.neutrik.com/en/ethercon/ethercon-cable-connector-carrier/ne8mc (http://www.neutrik.com/en/ethercon/ethercon-cable-connector-carrier/ne8mc)
Then get/build a standard ethernet patch/drop cable, break of the security tab and slide the Neutrik assembly over the connector with the removed tab.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Radley on November 20, 2013, 12:15:16 PM
Thanks for the tip - I didn't realize the Neutric part was just an add-on cover! Are their some cat-5 cables you recommend (for dependability and lay nicely on the ground)?  Thanks again!
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: admin on November 20, 2013, 12:21:57 PM
The recent Line6 VDI Ethercon cables  do not tangle  can work with VG-99 / FC-300 - AFTER you swap out one end for a standard RJ-45 crimp jack.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2FLine-6-Variax-DI-Digital-Interface-Lead-Cat5-Ethercon-Cables-Van-Damme-Cable-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTAwMFgxMDAw%2Fz%2FswgAAOxyMbFSUAHR%2F%24T2eC16JHJHUFFf8bE9JqBSU%21HQVL%28%21%7E%7E60_58.JPG&hash=6634b98fcbde7e544081a16e1b019a1663f598c8)

Looks like they use VanDamme 268-450-000 TourCat CAT 5E STP Flexible cable
http://www.van-damme.com/38.html (http://www.van-damme.com/38.html)

More details on the VG-99 RRC2 cable is here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55)
FC-300 Q & A FAQ (Translated from Roland Japan)


Q. FC-300 cable RRC2 looks like RJ45 plug is used, but what is the highly reliable special plug?

A. Yes, RJ45 plug, high reliability Neutrik made EtherCon type plug is used at the FC-300 RRC2 Input.
EtherCon plug and XLR plug both latch when using, Ethercon provides same type connection as RJ45.


Q. Can any MIDI Program change command be assigned to pedals of the FC-300?

A. Patch mode allows a number pedal to be assigned any value of MIDI program change command.


Q. Can the FC-300 pedal transmit MIDI note on/ off output information?

A. Patch mode allows a number of FC-300 and CTL1 pedal, pedal-2 notes any information can be stored.
Also, more than one pedal notes can be stored as a single pedal to operate only in code (chord) can be printed out.


Q. RRC2 cable can be built to custom length, please tell me specs.

A. A Custom RRC2 cable must have the following specifications please.

* At least five categories (Cat5)
* Less than 15 meters in total length
* RJ45 to Ethercon - Wired Straight cable, not "crossover type".


Q. FC-300 can be connected to cable and what equipment uses RRC2 interface?
A. Guitar VG-99 and V-RRC2 cable, FC-300 becomes VG-99 foot controller.


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55)

The RRC2 Ethercon pinout is
========================
1 = RCV_1
2 = RCV_2
3 = +5VDC
4 = +VREF
5 = +VREF
6 = TXD
7 = GND
8 = GND
SHELL = GND


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28.0;attach=820;image)
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Radley on November 20, 2013, 02:19:24 PM
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Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: sixeight on November 24, 2013, 07:01:53 AM
Sorry Cat, wrong cable. The mouse is on the other one...
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: JehuJava on April 12, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
Can the Ethernet cable normally used for the FC300 be used for the Liquid Foot Pro by any chance?  Anyone try it?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: musicman65 on April 12, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
The FC300 uses a standard Ethernet patch cable pinout with all 8 conductors wired straight through. Any Ethernet patch cable will do. I've used a 25 footer and I suspect a 50 footer would work too. Anything longer may not since power is sent through the cable and the conductors are tiny.

If your pedal calls for a standard Ethernet cable, the FC300 cable or any Ethernet patch cable will work too.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: JehuJava on April 13, 2014, 06:35:48 PM
I guess I'll just plug 'er in and see. Any risk of just testing?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on April 14, 2014, 07:32:21 AM
I would verify the Liquid Foot Pro requirements.
http://www.liquid-foot.com/product_lfp.shtml (http://www.liquid-foot.com/product_lfp.shtml)
http://www.liquid-foot.com/downloads/LiquidFoot_PRO_v190.pdf (http://www.liquid-foot.com/downloads/LiquidFoot_PRO_v190.pdf)

http://missionengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Liquid-Foot+-Series_168.pdf (http://missionengineering.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Liquid-Foot+-Series_168.pdf)

Expansion   Jack   A   &   B   
   
Your    controller    comes    prepared    to    integrate    expansion    models    and    other    peripherals    that    will    be    developed.    The   
expansion    modules    come    with    instructions    indicating    the    proper    wiring    configuration.    The    expansion    system    was   
designed   so   that   you   will   be   able   to   daisy   chain   from   one   device   to   another,   allowing   up   to   50   devices   to   be   connected   to   
each   other   at   one   time.   Clearly   this   is   overkill,   but   it's   the   Liquid   way.   
   
When   connecting   multiple   LF+   controllers   together,   please   use   a   standard   CAT-5   (Ethernet)   cable   from   one   unit   to   the   
next.   The   signals   are   NOT   compatible   with   any   other   manufacturers   equipment   and   should   not   be   used   in   conjunction   
with   other   equipment   unless   specifically   stated   by   FAMC.   These   connectors   are   not   compatible   with   the   LF   PRO   series   
of   controllers.
   This   new   interface   developed   by   FAMC   will   support   all   Liquid   products   from   this   point   forward.   
   
    For   more   detailed   information,   please   see   the   "Master   /   Slave"   configurations   (Working   with   Expanders)   




But what are you connecting the other end of the Liquid Foot Pro "Expansion Port" Ethernet cable too?

I highly doubt it's compatible with Roland RRC2 gear. (and its definitely NOT compatible with Line-6's VDI (Ethercon) Interface too  Remember Roland gear employs CAT5 cables as "RRC2" protocol transport mechanism - RRC2 is comprised of Bi-Directional MIDI data, and Power -  not Ethernet. And Yes- its likely you may "fry" some internal power on the Liquid Foot Pro, or the device at the other end of the CAT-5 cable if you do not do more research.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: musicman65 on April 14, 2014, 05:29:43 PM
BINGO...what Elantric said!

What you are plugging into on the other end matters. Your LF only supports a protocol developed by FAMC...yes, you can use the Roland cable...but only in applications where the other gear works with your LF...which does NOT included Roland or Line6 gear.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: dean2371 on November 01, 2014, 04:03:26 PM
Hi everyone, I've just bought a VG-99 and a FC300. Sounds are great, very impressed. I'm not the most technically savvy person, and I could do with some help please. I can get the FC300 to change patches, but I have absolutely no idea how to get it to accept control messages so that i can switch an effect on or off, set an expression pedal to increase drive level or some other effect parameter.

I've got all the manuals, but can't seem to figure it out. Can anyone point me to a simple guide, or better still walk me through the process step by step.

Many thanks
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: booth421 on November 02, 2014, 06:48:31 AM
Mine has been stuck for a few years now.. It is the only problem I have had.. I will try the screw driver thing.. Once I get it out I will replace the dang thing..
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Brent Flash on November 02, 2014, 01:52:22 PM
Welcome to the group dean2371!  :)

Do you have the EDITOR installed on a computer yet? If so look at the ASSIGNs. They let you "assign" a controller to something you want to control. If not you need to get that set up because it is so much easier to do with the EDITOR.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Virtual Madness on November 03, 2014, 12:43:07 AM
I'm sorry this is too late to help you, but here is an older thread addressing the same issue.

Quote from:  rah3 on May 03, 2012, 11:33:44 AM
Hello fellow FC-300 users,

My RRC 2 Out cable has decided to not come out of my FC-300. Anybody experience this? Any suggestions?

-RAH3

Quote from:  gumtown on June 01, 2012, 01:32:10 AM
If the cable is the same as an ordinary CAT5 ethernet cable, ensure the locking clip in the center is pressed all the way down while pulling out the cable.

Quote from:  imall41 on June 01, 2012, 05:41:48 AM
I think rah3 may be referring to the cable that comes with the FC-300 (or VG-99, I don't remember which unit included the special cable, with the large metal sleeve that locks into the FC-300).

I had the same issue. I searched here for help, but didn't find any info.

The metal sleeve has a release, but there is no way to release the latch on the cat5 cable itself, inside the sleeve.

The latch on the cat5 cable should've been removed by Roland, on the end inside that metal sleeve.

I knew better, and wish I had thought of that before I attached it to the FC-300.

You need to break off that locking clip on the end of the cable, inside the sleeve, before plugging it into the FC-300

I had to completely destroy that cable in order to release the clip, and remove it from the FC-300 without damaging the FC.

I hope someone here has a trick I don't know of, but my solution wasn't pretty.

You might want to wait and see if someone chimes in here with a solution before you perform cable surgery like I had to.

I'm including this here just in case it can help anybody, now or in the future.

Royce
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Virtual Madness on November 03, 2014, 01:00:36 AM
I second that welcome to the group dean2371!  :)

I don't know if this applies to you or not, but have a look at this thread before the same thing happens to you!



;)

Royce
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: dean2371 on November 03, 2014, 03:23:31 PM
Thanks for the welcome guys. I think I've figured it out, at least partially. Can't work out what the double assign function is for, but hopefully all will become clear when I've read all the really helpful posts on this forum
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Brent Flash on November 03, 2014, 03:47:21 PM
Quote from:  dean2371 on November 03, 2014, 03:23:31 PM
Can't work out what the double assign function is for, but hopefully all will become clear when I've read all the really helpful posts on this forum
One for A Guitar and one for B Guitar if you are running both.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Weed_ on November 12, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
Sorry people! I solved it quite some time ago and already sold it too :(.

It was an easy fix, I ordered new:

- http://www.neutrik.com/en/data/ethercon/ethercon-chassis-connectors/ (http://www.neutrik.com/en/data/ethercon/ethercon-chassis-connectors/) - not sure about the exact model, but once you open your fc300, you will find that out, there are very detailed manual pdfs for each neutral connector

- http://www.neutrik.com/en/data/ethercon/ethercon-cable-connector-carrier/ (http://www.neutrik.com/en/data/ethercon/ethercon-cable-connector-carrier/)

and the ordinary ethernet cable inside. Any electrician can pull this off for you, and parts are also available pretty much everywhere specially with the power of internet.

;D
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: ericar123 on March 27, 2015, 06:13:47 AM
Hi
After many years with a VG99 I am buying a used FC300. I keep thinking that there was some sort of update to the jack for the RRC2 connector but can't find info on it. Also does anyone know if the RRC2 cable came with the VG99 ? If so, I must have one somewhere.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Kevin M on March 27, 2015, 08:54:00 AM
If memory serves me correctly, it came with the FC300.


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Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: concordal on March 27, 2015, 09:55:28 AM
Quote from:  ericar123 on March 27, 2015, 06:13:47 AM
I must have one [RRC2 cable] somewhere.

You probably do, ericar123.  The RRC2 cable is just a standard internet connection cable, often called a "CAT5 cable'
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on March 27, 2015, 10:09:21 AM
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snapagogo.com%2Fuploads%2Fsource%2F1812013%2F1372711060_1423288734_2206836418980_zps37a56b10.jpg&hash=3e1bcfb4a395adbbf3598310c805635c582113db)
Here are all accessories that were inside the VG-99 box when sold new
The RRC2 cable was included inside the box with the VG-99

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.snapagogo.com%2Fuploads%2Fsource%2F852015%2F1427476140_190557372_VG99_Contents.PNG&hash=0a9335bebc80dad2e6ebb147e076ce6ca61edd17)


RRC2 Cable is simply a CAT-5 cable with plastic RJ-45 on the VG-99 connection side, and a Neutrik Ethercon connection on the FC-300 side
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthumbs4.ebaystatic.com%2Fd%2Fl225%2Fm%2Fm8wzZ8N1xTX0QF2fABCloZQ.jpg&hash=2403daebfa00eeea8b23b8469f13fc283e851904)


The RRC2 pins are wired straight thru on both ends

1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
6-6
7-7
8-8


Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: copperfrog on March 28, 2015, 05:19:22 AM
 when i tried a internet cable connected to vg99 with a new fc300 it would not recognize each other at all ,the fc300 (if i remember correctly)
received phantom power and also it would change cc# in its display
i eventually sold it and of course eventually bought anotherused one    this time recognized each other perfectly  but with no phantom power
have to use batteries or adapter

there's a rrc2 cable on ebay right now but it seems expensive for what it is
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: scratch17 on April 29, 2015, 03:19:02 PM
My VG-99 arrived yesterday. It came with a power supply for the 99, an FC-300 (no power supply), what appears to be a CAT5 or CAT6 cable, and a RAD-99. I'm throwing out the ethernet cable. I have good quality new CAT6 cables.

1. I found a Neutrik Ethercon shell for a few dollars on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Neutrik-NE8MC-Ethercon-Cable-Connector/dp/B002BEUHUQ/ref=pd_bxgy_MI_text_z (http://www.amazon.com/Neutrik-NE8MC-Ethercon-Cable-Connector/dp/B002BEUHUQ/ref=pd_bxgy_MI_text_z)

Is this all I need (with a good CAT6 cable) to create my own RRC2?

2. Will the FC-300 be powered via the CAT 6 cable?

3. I'm mostly using the VG-99 in my studio. Do I really need to bother with the Neutrik connector?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on April 29, 2015, 03:26:41 PM
Quote1. I found a Neutrik Ethercon shell for a few dollars on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Neutrik-NE8MC-Ethercon-Cable-Connector/dp/B002BEUHUQ/ref=pd_bxgy_MI_text_z (http://www.amazon.com/Neutrik-NE8MC-Ethercon-Cable-Connector/dp/B002BEUHUQ/ref=pd_bxgy_MI_text_z)

Is this all I need (with a good CAT6 cable) to create my own RRC2?


Correct - and access to an RJ-45 Crimping tool  (See RRC2 details below)


Quote2. Will the FC-300 be powered via the CAT 6 cable?

When attached to a VG-99 / VB-99 with the RRC2 RJ-45 cable - yes

Quote3. I'm mostly using the VG-99 in my studio. Do I really need to bother with the Neutrik connector?

Use the Neutrik Ethercon plug connection at the FC300 side,  It will save the fragile internal FC200 PC Board just in case someone stands on the RJ-45 cable entry to the FC300


The recent Line6 VDI Ethercon cables  do not tangle  can work with VG-99 / FC-300 - AFTER you swap out one end for a standard RJ-45 crimp jack.
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ebayimg.com%2Ft%2FLine-6-Variax-DI-Digital-Interface-Lead-Cat5-Ethercon-Cables-Van-Damme-Cable-%2F00%2Fs%2FMTAwMFgxMDAw%2Fz%2FswgAAOxyMbFSUAHR%2F%24T2eC16JHJHUFFf8bE9JqBSU%21HQVL%28%21%7E%7E60_58.JPG&hash=6634b98fcbde7e544081a16e1b019a1663f598c8)

Looks like they use VanDamme 268-450-000 TourCat CAT 5E STP Flexible cable
http://www.van-damme.com/38.html (http://www.van-damme.com/38.html)

More details on the VG-99 RRC2 cable is here:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55)
FC-300 Q & A FAQ (Translated from Roland Japan)


Q. FC-300 cable RRC2 looks like RJ45 plug is used, but what is the highly reliable special plug?

A. Yes, RJ45 plug, high reliability Neutrik made EtherCon type plug is used at the FC-300 RRC2 Input.
EtherCon plug and XLR plug both latch when using, Ethercon provides same type connection as RJ45.


Q. Can any MIDI Program change command be assigned to pedals of the FC-300?

A. Patch mode allows a number pedal to be assigned any value of MIDI program change command.


Q. Can the FC-300 pedal transmit MIDI note on/ off output information?

A. Patch mode allows a number of FC-300 and CTL1 pedal, pedal-2 notes any information can be stored.
Also, more than one pedal notes can be stored as a single pedal to operate only in code (chord) can be printed out.


Q. RRC2 cable can be built to custom length, please tell me specs.

A. A Custom RRC2 cable must have the following specifications please.

* At least five categories (Cat5)
* Less than 15 meters in total length
* RJ45 to Ethercon - Wired Straight cable, not "crossover type".


Q. FC-300 can be connected to cable and what equipment uses RRC2 interface?
A. Guitar VG-99 and V-RRC2 cable, FC-300 becomes VG-99 foot controller.


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=28.msg55#msg55)

The RRC2 Ethercon pinout is
========================
1 = RCV_1
2 = RCV_2
3 = +5VDC
4 = +VREF
5 = +VREF
6 = TXD
7 = GND
8 = GND
SHELL = GND


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28.0;attach=820;image)
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: scratch17 on May 05, 2015, 05:23:44 PM
I had the friendly folks at Altex Electronics in Carrollton Texas make me a pair of 15 foot CAT 5e cables with Neutrik Ethercon on one end and RJ-45 on the other (i.e. custom made RRC2 cable). They charged me $54 for 2 cables (included sales tax). I could have made my own for less than $20 in parts, but don't have the time. Nor do I own an RJ-45 crimping tool.

If anyone is interested in getting one (or the parts, which they sell) you can contact them at:

Address: 3215 Belmeade Dr, Carrollton, TX 75006
Phone:(972) 267-8882
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: musicamex on July 11, 2016, 06:06:43 PM
The cat 5e cables are available super cheap at parts express.  They are buyout and often odd colors...perfect for gigs to be seen.  Here is a 15 foot red one for less than a buck.  Parts express has lots of good buyout and clearance items.  I have a wholesale acct and use it allot.

http://www.parts-express.com/belkin-fast-cat-5e-14-ft-red-patch-cable-snagless--109-456 (http://www.parts-express.com/belkin-fast-cat-5e-14-ft-red-patch-cable-snagless--109-456)
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on July 11, 2016, 06:12:37 PM
Ideally - you should seek a Neutrik Ethercon to RJ-45 cable - like this one
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.bhphoto.com%2Fimages%2Fimages500x500%2Fcomprehensive_cat6_10problk_er_pro_av_it_cat6_ethercon_1425330402000_1125402.jpg&hash=9c979114db3ac94ab1aac328f7465e87aaa36a2c)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1125402-REG/comprehensive_cat6_10problk_er_pro_av_it_cat6_ethercon.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1125402-REG/comprehensive_cat6_10problk_er_pro_av_it_cat6_ethercon.html)


Or

http://btpa.com/FAS12-XX.html
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: mooncaine on July 11, 2016, 07:47:39 PM
I have used just plain Ethernet cables once or twice to confirm it works, but I still use the one it came with. I love that about the FC300. I get set up the stage so quickly, and only have 2 or 3 cables to keep up with. One power adapter, for the VG-99. One amp. One headless guitar. VG-99 in a laptop bag, the briefcase kind. In & out so easy.

Pedalboard's kinda big, though.

I guess I liked that when I bought it, but realized later that, dang, that's a lot of floor space. Good thing it only has that one cable. That makes it easy to just flip up and out of the way. I leave it plugged in but lean it against the amp when I need to make room for other folks onstage.

Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: zoka3 on October 25, 2016, 09:35:09 AM
Where can I buy original RRC2 cable?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on October 25, 2016, 09:46:32 AM
Near impossible
Best to call Roland to place an order in USA

Roland Corporation U.S.
5100 S. Eastern Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90040-2938
Customer Service Tel:  (323) 890-3700





But here is a 20ft Ethercon to RJ-45 cable that works.

https://www.amazon.com/Elite-Core-EC-PROCAT5E-RE-20-RJ45-Ethercon-20-Feet/dp/B0098NPPLE/ref=pd_day0_267_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0098NPPLE&pd_rd_r=66AVEZD0NH2M859HZC7Z&pd_rd_w=frUja&pd_rd_wg=zmBtC&psc=1&refRID=66AVEZD0NH2M859HZC7Z



10ft is here
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1125402-REG/comprehensive_cat6_10problk_er_pro_av_it_cat6_ethercon.html
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: zoka3 on November 15, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
Where can I buy original Roland RRC2 cable?
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on November 15, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
The official Roland RRC2 cable is typically out of stock for years


But the RRC2 is a standard "Ethercon to RJ-45 CAT-5E cable  - wired 1:1 at each end for all 8 connections

replacement RRC2 cable can be ordered  - search for

"CAT5E Cable RJ45-Ethercon"
https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dmi&field-keywords=+CAT5E+Cable+RJ45-Ethercon

a 10 foot CAT5E Cable RJ45-Ethercon cable is here:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1125402-REG/comprehensive_cat6_10problk_er_pro_av_it_cat6_ethercon.html



Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: zoka3 on November 17, 2016, 09:00:47 AM
Thank you!
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: zoka3 on November 17, 2016, 09:54:45 AM
Hi!
I ordered this cable:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/152148531116
Did I ordered a good cable?
It measures 3 meters.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: Elantric on November 17, 2016, 09:58:39 AM
Looks good - since it states:

QuoteThe cable is wired 'Straight through' with pin 1 going to pin 1 etc using metal/plastic shielded RJ45 plugs. 
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: ZORO on July 29, 2017, 04:11:52 PM
This is really a question...
Does anyone know a website (Amazon?) to get the cable between VG99 and FC-300.
Many thanks
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: mooncaine on July 30, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
I think this one would do:

http://btpa.com/FAS12-XX.html

I recall buying one from them, and using it, but can't recall with complete certainty that this is definitely the one.
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: admin on July 30, 2017, 02:08:05 PM
Quote from: mooncaine on July 30, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
I think this one would do:

http://btpa.com/FAS12-XX.html

I recall buying one from them, and using it, but can't recall with complete certainty that this is definitely the one.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbtpa.com%2Fimages%2FP%2Ffas12-xx-01.jpg&hash=cae6af0db4507aebf8e27076f45b1e0a23d0a447)
Correct- that cable works for FC-300 to VG-99

http://btpa.com/FAS12-XX.html
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: ffata on August 10, 2017, 02:28:02 PM
Quote from: Elantric on November 15, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
a 10 foot CAT5E Cable RJ45-Ethercon cable is here:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1125402-REG/comprehensive_cat6_10problk_er_pro_av_it_cat6_ethercon.html

FWIW, I recently purchased a spare FC-300 RRC2 from the above B & H link. I chose a 15ft. cable.
I just want to report that this is a quality item. Reasonably priced (I did have to pay tax because B & H has since set up a fulfillment center in NJ where I live) But, for some strange reason, and I'm not complaining, the site says orders over $49.00 are eligible for free shipping. My order was not $49 it was $29.42 and the shipping was free!

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4434/36442794366_41cd1e0723_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/XwjR7N)


(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4368/36091648910_945d5196e2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/WZi8NN)
Title: Re: FC300 - RRC2 - CAT-5 RJ45 cable to connect to VG-99?
Post by: mooncaine on September 25, 2017, 09:00:31 PM
Funny that should come up today. I think my btpa cable has been stomped almost to death. It still worked, last time I was on stage, but the plug end looked so sad. Gotta get a new one.