The History of Guitar Synthesizers: Four Revolutions, No Clear Winner

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In 1996, I attended the NAB  show in Las Vegas, anf 360 Systems has a booth. I mentioned  I missed their old 360Systems Specter and Slave Driver Guitar Synthesizer modules - but the employee  working the booth was not aware 360 Systems ever offerred a Guitar product.




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Important article on this topic by Paul White at Sound On Sound Mag (UK)

https://www.soundonsound.com/people/guitar-synthesizers

aliensporebomb

Paul White sounds like "one of us".  He should sign in here!
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aliensporebomb

If nobody ever heard it, the Arp Avatar demo record is worth a listen.   

Performed by the late Ned Liben (who later gained fame with his guitar-synth-into-fairlight duo EBN-OZN):



Ned in EBN-OZN - much of the music was created on guitar with custom interface to Fairlight at his lamented Sundragon Studios.  This was all over MTV back in the day:

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adamlee011

Quote from: Elantric on September 03, 2016, 05:25:34 PM
None of those systems "won"

I only saw Adrian Belew and Steve Stevens (Billie Idol) use a GR-700 live

But neither flew off the shelfs or back ordered and dealers with a waiting list ( that would be reserved. For the Yamaha DX-7 keyboard)   , most guitar synths  collected dust on the dealer shelves in the mid 1980s due to bad economy back then

I doubt they made more than 500 Roland GR-700's
See 1st post
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11351.msg135919#msg135919




Cool! I read that Alex Lifeson used a Roland, I think the 500, on hemispheres. Possibly live at times to cover the synth while Lee played bass. Not sure that last bit is true but it would make sense. Seems he dropped the technology pretty quickly though.

Elantric





Roland SPV-355 -Synth with Guitar Input

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-spv355

QuoteFor Combat Rock/Rat Patrol recording, and then live from the Far East tour on, Mick added a Roland SPV-355 which is a pretty early guitar synth. It's the drone you hear on Atom Tan, and it's featured all over the record. Some good examples live is the Tokyo video, Charlie Don't Surf. That really low drone he does at the beginning is from the synth. Again, another thing i have purchased and figured out that that's what he had used
https://clashcity.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=12750

SVP-355 is low drone synth opening here

And SVP-355 with space Echo is high main string riff here - played on a guitar
https://www.joness.com/gr300/SPV-355.htm


Bill Ruppert

Quote from: Elantric on March 01, 2024, 01:09:51 PM



Roland SPV-355 -Synth with Guitar Input

https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/roland-spv355
https://clashcity.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=12750

SVP-355 is low drone synth opening here

And SVP-355 with space Echo is high main string riff here - played on a guitar


I own one. Have had it for years.
I did an album with Chuck Mangione and put his flugelhorn through it.

Elantric

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on March 01, 2024, 01:38:12 PMI own one. Have had it for years.
I did an album with Chuck Mangione and put his flugelhorn through it.

Thats great know
Im friends with Grant Geissman who played guitar on "Feels so good"

Bill Ruppert

Quote from: Elantric on March 01, 2024, 01:55:39 PMThats great know
Im friends with Grant Geissman who played guitar on "Feels so good"
Chuck was so nice and ask me to go on the road with him, but I was doing too well in the commercial studio work to even consider leaving it.
Morris White was involved and that was fantastic as I am a huge 'Earth Wind and Fire" fan.
At that time I built a sampler that was triggered by guitar.
I put horns on so much stuff, including TV shows and records.
It was when sampling was only done with a Fairlight.
I remember when YES came out with "Owner Of a Lonely Heart" they took the horn blasts from a "Kool & The Gang" record.
That year I did a TV spot with Kool & The gang and put the "Yes" horn blasts back in a Kool & The Gang track!:-)

aliensporebomb

Another early guitar synth was Don Mock's customized Moller doubleneck that included a hex pickup to a pitch-to-voltage converter that was connected to an Oberheim Expander module.

This was one heck of a quick tracking system because the upper neck I believe had contacts under each fret that enabled more or less instant connection:

Also, it was 6 high-e strings I believe.  He later sold this system or so I understand.

https://youtu.be/TR4CuXP7WFc?si=pPoW6GaQDrTc6Fkk

My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

aliensporebomb

So here was my first exposure to the guitar synthesizer but I didn't see photos of it until years later:

John McLaughlin's 360 Systems Pitch to Voltage Converter to a bank of six mini moog modules from a hex pickup mounted on a Gibson L5-S Custom Guitar.

This was the setup in use on the "Inner Worlds" record by the Mahavishnu Orchestra.  From what I can tell, they tried to use this live by connecting each Mini-Moog to its own XLR jack to a set of full range speakers.  Madness!

https://imgur.com/a/lSJ1c93




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GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

arkieboy

Quote from: aliensporebomb on March 04, 2024, 05:50:45 AMJohn McLaughlin's 360 Systems Pitch to Voltage Converter to a bank of six mini moog modules from a hex pickup mounted on a Gibson L5-S Custom Guitar.
Sort of a bit like my MainStage project with its 6 Arturia minimoog plugins ...

Just not quite as expensive 8)
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kevorkian

Quote from: aliensporebomb on March 03, 2024, 07:37:37 PMAnother early guitar synth was Don Mock's customized Moller doubleneck that included a hex pickup to a pitch-to-voltage converter that was connected to an Oberheim Expander module.

This was one heck of a quick tracking system because the upper neck I believe had contacts under each fret that enabled more or less instant connection:

Also, it was 6 high-e strings I believe.   He later sold this system or so I understand.

https://youtu.be/TR4CuXP7WFc?si=pPoW6GaQDrTc6Fkk

Some additional info on this amazing guitar:

http://donmockguitar2.blogspot.com/2010/01/don-mocks-double-neck-synth.html

Elantric


aliensporebomb

Someone on a facebook John Mclaughlin group posted a black and white picture of John's massive six mini-moog module guitar synth he used with a Gibson L5-S custom guitar and 360 systems pitch to voltage converter.  Look how big it all is!  I posted the other pics earlier in the thread but here you see it from a distance.  On the rack case it's as tall as he is!


My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

aliensporebomb

One more bit regarding the above - I notice the L5-s bridge pickup's ring has been removed to allow for better placement of the hex pickup and the L5-S isn't using its standard output jack at all, it's just being used as a synthesizer controller.
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

Elantric

Quote from: aliensporebomb on March 07, 2024, 01:43:26 PMOne more bit regarding the above - I notice the L5-s bridge pickup's ring has been removed to allow for better placement of the hex pickup and the L5-S isn't using its standard output jack at all, it's just being used as a synthesizer controller.


His Hex Pickup on Gibson L5-S appears to be a repurposed 1968 Hammond Innovex Condor hex pickup


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