PRIMOVA MIDX-20 Dual Roland USB MIDI Converter / Ctrl Interface

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CodeSmart

Quote from: slyisdead on December 07, 2017, 03:39:07 AM
Hi all !

Can anyone tell me if the MIDX-20 would work between my Boss GP-10 and a Rocktron Midi raider ?

Thanx a lot

I'd say 100% yes.
(However the MIDX-20 only have standard 5-pin MIDI connectors so it can't be powered by the two Rocktron extra pins)
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chappi

Robert, is it safe to assume that I can plug both gp10 and ms3 into the midx-20 once you've completed the ms3 bridge?

CodeSmart

Quote from: chappi on December 07, 2017, 04:20:54 PM
Robert, is it safe to assume that I can plug both gp10 and ms3 into the midx-20 once you've completed the ms3 bridge?
Sure, if not I eat my hat!

(Grrr....haven't received the MS-3 yet, the guy I ordered from went to holiday and forgot all about it).
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malachi1313



malachi1313

Is it the email at the website then? And thanx for the help!!


CodeSmart

Yes, just received my new Boss MS-3. It's really small and the build quality is great.

Now it's possible to start working on a MIDI bridge for it ;D
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1VL

Hi everybody

I updated the firmware of my MIDX-20 last week from v1.2 to v2.5
My first attempt with a neusonik iM/One from a windows 7  PC wasn't successful: The process failed and the devices LEDs kept blinking after restart and it was not accessible with the Editor anymore.
At home with my fireface everything worked like a charm.

But configuring settings with the editor is possible with the iM/One.

I ran into this problem while trying to update the firmware on my way to a concert ... always a bad idea to change something before a concert ...

Do you guys have (positive or negative) experiences with other portable Midi Interfaces? Is there already a list of Midi interfaces that support firmware updates with MIDX-20?

Thank you to all the helpful people here on the board!

& a happy new year!

vtgearhead

Quote from: 1VL on December 31, 2017, 08:32:24 AM
Do you guys have (positive or negative) experiences with other portable Midi Interfaces? Is there already a list of Midi interfaces that support firmware updates with MIDX-20?

I swear by the M-Audio Midisport 1x1.  It has worked flawlessly for me in any and all situations, including programming of devices that use huge sysex messages.

CodeSmart

Quote from: 1VL on December 31, 2017, 08:32:24 AM
Do you guys have (positive or negative) experiences with other portable Midi Interfaces? Is there already a list of Midi interfaces that support firmware updates with MIDX-20?

For a list of interfaces, pleases see first post in this thread:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21480.0

The cheapest bullet proof portable one is TIE Interface 1/10
The recommended bullet proof portable one is Roland UM-ONE MKII

My theory that some work for editing but not for firmware update (more data) could be related to buffering (or lack of thereof) in the interface hardware.
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1VL

Thank you - you are awesome!

I have searched the whole thread and overlooked that there is already a suitable topic. ... :-\

rolandvg99

+1 for the Roland UM-ONE MKII. Zero issues vs the M-Audio Midispirt UNO which locks up every now and then.
To V or not to V: That is the question.

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1VL

Thank you ... I'm definitely gonna buy one of these for my live setup!

Different story:
I just stumbled over these devices
Mooer Radar: http://www.mooeraudio.com/?product/201709227917.html
Mooer GE-200: http://www.mooeraudio.com/?product/201709225660.html

One of them is not yet available here, but the possibility to have my own IRs in such a small housing with me (radar) sounds quite appealing to me. That could well complement my GP-10 and GR-55 and help produce a proper sound.

Both have no Midi I/O, but a USB port (GE-200: USB B, Radar: Micro USB) for data transfer from the PC Editor.

Would that be possible to control them with the MIDX-20 (change presets, IRs)?
I do not know at all whether they are class compliant: Here (http://www.mooeraudio.com/?FirmwareUpdate.html) is a *.dll for download - for driver installation?

Does anyone have one of these? Are there any chances?

Elantric


slyisdead



Just received my MIDX 20  : Connected to a Rocktron Midi Raider. Awsome piece of art. Now my GP10 is magic !
Thanx so much "CodeSmart" for your beautiful work !

CodeSmart

MS-3 Bridge is ongoing in slow but steady phase. Effect-wise MS-3 is actually a nice hybride between Katana and GT-1 in many aspects. Effects are more Katana-like, spiced up with the great BPM possibilities of the GT-1 for all rates/speeds/delay times.

This is the MIDI map I base my coding on: http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_MS3.pdf

Appears to exist an unused "BASS AUTO WAH" in the MS-3 (at least how I see it now),
maybe I find something more in there...
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CodeSmart

MS-3 MIDI Bridge Coding done. Now over to the parameter verification/testing phase.

A new batch of MIDX-20 units is in production. Expect sometime February.

Update 2018-01-16 : 22:14
- Everything REVERB verified
- Everything DELAY params verified
- Everything MASTER params verified
- Everything NOISE GATE params verified
- Everything L1-L3 verified
- Everything FOOT VOL params verified

TODO:
- Patch related CC#'s
- MOD1/MOD2 params
- FX1/FX2 params
- FOOT BPM
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pokett

Learned about this from the Boss MS-3 Facebook group!

Had a **hopefully** quick question to see if I'm understanding how this works/can be used:

I have a Boss MS-3, but it won't send PC changes in it's memory mode (the MS-3 terminology is 'Assigns') only CC messages. I'm using the MS-3 to change presets on a pedal via Midi PC messages. Would I be able to use this product, sitting in-between the MS-3 and the pedal via Midi, to convert CC messages that I sent from the MS-3 into PC messages that the pedal is expecting? And if so, would any PC messages sent to the pedal still pass through unimpacted?

Thanks!

CodeSmart

Quote from: pokett on January 17, 2018, 11:26:09 AM
Learned about this from the Boss MS-3 Facebook group!

Had a **hopefully** quick question to see if I'm understanding how this works/can be used:

I have a Boss MS-3, but it won't send PC changes in it's memory mode (the MS-3 terminology is 'Assigns') only CC messages. I'm using the MS-3 to change presets on a pedal via Midi PC messages. Would I be able to use this product, sitting in-between the MS-3 and the pedal via Midi, to convert CC messages that I sent from the MS-3 into PC messages that the pedal is expecting? And if so, would any PC messages sent to the pedal still pass through unimpacted?

Short answer: Yes it has a filter to convert a given CC# to PC#. The PC will carry the same data originated from the CC data. You would connect the MS-3 to MIDX MIDI In and MIDX MIDI OUT to the pedal. No USB magic required.

Looooooong answer (now we talking USB magic)

A) The Way In to MS-3
The primary objective with this excercise is to provide a way IN TO the MS-3, to control the MS-3 patch number, effect types and effect parameters etc. from the outside world. Therefore the MIDX needs to be connected to the USB port of the MS-3. When a certain CC#'s appear at MIDX 5-pin MIDI IN (or at the secondary USB port), the MIDX will modify the related setting, press a button, enable a Loop or whatever  inside the MS-3 (using a hidden SysEx conversation).
Same wise, incoming PC# will change patch of the MS-3.

B) The Way Out of MS-3
The MS-3 is designed to control other things, hence it only have a MIDI OUT connector.

When the MS-3 is setup to transmit MIDI OUT (CC# and PC#), they will also appear at the USB port (still to be verified) and from there they will be relayed out to the MIDX 5-pin MIDI OUT (and also to the secondary USB). Now, while a certain CC# command number is passing through the MIDX on its way out, it's possible to apply "Filters" to it. One of these is called the "CC# to PC# Translation", resulting in a transformation from CC# command number to PC# command. Any other PC# or CC# emitted by the MS-3 will pass through untouched and also appear at MIDI OUT.
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CodeSmart

A classy pedalboard by Ibrahim in Turkey, using the MS-3 to control the GP-10 (through the MIDX-20).

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CodeSmart

MIDX-20 MIDI Bridge for BOSS MS-3 - Extend the MS-3 controller with even more control
Control everything of the MS-3 using 100+ CC#, using any MIDI controller (USB or 5-PIN).
Development completed, everything verified - Firmware soon available for download on PrimovaSound web page.













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GuitarBuilder

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CodeSmart

V2.6 Released
Firmware / PC Assistant V2.6 including MS-3, GT-1, Katana, GP-10, GT-001 etc. posted here:
http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html

MIDX-20 Release notes:
V2.6 2018-01-24
New: Added Boss MS-1 MIDI Bridge
New: Added Boss GT-1 PC# OUT
New: Added More params for Katana Pitch shifter
New: Added Added CC# for Katana FX Loop on/off
Bug: Fixed Katana CC# bugs with CC20-CC23

MIDX-20 MS-3 MIDI Bridge implementation chart
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_MS3.pdf

MIDX-20 GT-1 MIDI Bridge implementation chart
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_GT1.pdf

MIDX-20 V2 Katana MIDI Bridge implementation chart
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_KatanaV2.pdf
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CodeSmart

FYI I've just sent out this mail:

Hi,
I'm taking orders for a new limited batch of the MIDX-20 now.
I send this e-mail because you've been in contact with me regarding this product.
Features of the latest firmware:
-   Control of any MIDI class compliant devices.
-   Control of Katana V1 and V2 (in-built extensive Katana MIDI bridge)
-   Control of Boss GT-1 (in-built extensive GT-1 MIDI bridge)
-   Control of Boss MS-3  (in-built extensive MS-3 MIDI bridge)
-   Control of Boss GP-10 using Assigns and MIDI out to iPad and external USB/MIDI synths.
-   Control of Boss GT-001 using Assigns
-   Control of VG-99, GT-10, GT-100, GR-55 and most other Roland/Boss gear.
-   Control of Fender MustangV2 Amps  (in-built extensive Mustang MIDI bridge)
-   Compatible with FCB, Softstep, Logidy or any other popular foot controller.
-   Extensive MIDI filtering and message remapping.
-   MIDI IN and MIDI OUT with MIDI THRU possibility.
-   Two USB connectors.
-   Two jacks for Dual footswitches (Boss FS) or Expression pedals (EV-5)  directly into the box.

Power adapter - Standard 9V Boss guitar DC adapter not included.
(May also be powered using a phone charger 5V to the USB Mini connector)

Some advanced settings require connecting a Windows PC using a USB-to-MIDI cable (ex: Roland UM-ONE MKII) using the PC-Assistant Software.
This also applies if you need to update to firmware or want to swap firmware variant.

Prices:
Inside EU (incl. 25% VAT):   €185 EUR
Anywhere outside EU:   $185 USD

Or any of these currencies outside EU:
NZ      $253 NZD
Australia      $235 AUD
Canada      $232 CAD
Norway      1450 NOK

It's not the cheapest thing on earth, but it's hand-built and pretty unique.
Downloads, PC-program and documents are here: http://www.primovasound.com/midx_20_page2.html

To order:
PayPal amount to robert.fransson@primova.se
Please put "MIDX-20" in comment field.

Lead time:
I will be able to start shipping out some units sometime next week.

Thanks
Robert
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