Boss GP-10 DIY Mods

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Elantric

GK Accessories (Expression Pedal, Foot Switches)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=13.0

I'm building a new " Dual GP-10" Live performance rig 

In my case, I will be using  a modified  US-20 A/B/Y selector with FX Loop,
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3664.0




and run a few of my favorite analog stomp pedals for normal Mag PU's feeding two GP-10s ( for fast A/B switching mid song) for a small mobile battery powered pedal board i can use for 8 hours anywhere. 
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https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10662.msg77071#msg77071
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And use the GP-10 "Aux Stereo TRS 3.5mm input to cascade the Output from GP-10 #1 to GP-10#2's Aux Input

or Simply use one of these Belkin 5 channel 3.5mm TRS stereo passive mixers to feed the unbalanced stereo (often the Headphone Outputs from lots of gear work acceptably fine for rock & roll )  of other gear( GR-55  / VG-99 / iPad Etc) into the GP-10's MP3/Aux In  then GP-10 Out into Volume Pedal then Stereo D.I. Box



But eventually  I intend to MOD Boss GP-10 by adding a "GK 13 pin Thru Output"  - to drive another VG/GR when needed, using one of Gumbo's "Synth-Linx"  Chassis mount GK13 Female Jacks

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8888.0


"13 pin splitter circuit:
Roland GK-P2 Y cable
https://www.roland.com/ca/products/gkp-2/


CodeSmart

How do you plan to blend the stereo outputs? Do you plan to use a small mixer or making a 2 x guitar mono plug to 1 x small stereo plug and feed the outputs of the other unit into the AUX connector of GP-10?
But I got more gear than I need...and I like it!

Elantric

#2
QuoteHow do you plan to blend the stereo outputs? Do you plan to use a small mixer or making a 2 x guitar mono plug to 1 x small stereo plug and feed the outputs of the other unit into the AUX connector of GP-10?

Simply use one of these Belkin 5 channel 3.5mm TRS stereo passive mixers to feed the unbalanced stereo (often the Headphone Outputs from lots of gear work acceptably fine for rock & roll )  of other gear( GR-55  / VG-99 Etc) into the GP-10's MP3/Aux In  then GP-10 Out into Volume Pedal then Stereo D.I. Box



But I need to see how best to partition my various rigs  - Often the "FX Main Course"  of my small pedal board become the "Side entree"" when incorporated in a larger system




Or

Art SplitMix4
http://artproaudio.com/artcessories/mini_mixers/product/splitmix4/




As Often a Passive mixer has lowest noise  - all depend on your gear and. Read more Ground Loop removal here too
Must Have Accessory List for Mobile Guitarists
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10968.0

Elantric

#3
Despite rumors to the contrary - the latest M-Audio EXP-1 pedals work fine with my Roland gear - they have a switch on the bottom that is originally designed for working with different brands - but in practice I find I move this bottom switch on M-Audio EXP-1 to try different  response taper curves.


The "sleeper" GP-10 Accessory  / mod platform remains the old MAudio Roger Linn BlackBox Remote
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/402796-REG/M_Audio_9910_41296_00_Black_Box_Pedal_Board.html



- these go cheap ($60) and already include a pair of momentary Switches  and EXP-1 pedal and i will install my Home brew GK4-P

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8431.0




More food for thoughts on possible GP-10 Mods

http://neunaber.net/blogs/brian-s-notes/13850045-custom-expression-controller

http://www.ashbass.com/AshBassGuitar/Zoom/index.html

Elantric

#4
There used to be an old external pedal mod which began with the Boss GT-5 (circa 1996) where folks were able to connect both an Expression Pedal AND a pair of Momentary switches, to one jack - yes the typical "EXP2 / CTL 3,4" TRS Jack found on most Boss GT-x pedals and now the Boss GP-10 , using the Control Assignments per patch  - allowed some patches to use an Expression pedal, while other patches employed CTL2, CTL 3 for Reverb / Delay on / off - which offered far more control options on a patch by patch basis - just need to dive into the archive and locate that circuit and use it on Boss GP-10 

http://www.ashbass.com/AshBassGuitar/Zoom/index.html?Yadapter.html

It is important to note that the footswitch will only work when the expression pedal is all the way toe-down.

Elantric

Quote
The last 13 pin cable that I ordered from ipodmp34capa was marked "KEN_MM3OS", so he is clearly re-selling Kenwood cables - another reason to double check them!

Correct!

And be aware NOTHING "ipodmp34capa" sells is remotely like an official 2007 era "Planet Waves" GK-13 cable, despite advertising that fact on his Ebay ads.

http://stores.ebay.com/ipodmp34capa/MUSICAL-CABLE-PLUGS-ADAPTEES-/_i.html?_fsub=4806100015

Elantric

#6
DIY Boss GP-10 External FX Loop for Mag PU's

I have an even easier idea  - which could be combined with all the benefits of the US-20 with external FX Loop for Mag PU's Mod.

Lets figure out the step by step instructions for making an internal analog signal re-routing modification for Boss GP-10 ( WARNING LOSS OF WARRANTY IS GUARANTEED) USA users advised to wait a year when our warranty runs outs!)
http://www.rolandus.com/support/service_repair/

How about  re-allocating the GP-10's  1/4" GUITAR OUT /  GUITAR IN Jacks  - into a Mono Stomp Box FX Loop by moving a wire or two inside.

And (for those who live dangerously) adding a True Bypass FX On/Off Stomp Switch too.


To use the COSM Amp sims and FX with your standard Magnetic pickups - and be able to switch in and out  the hex COSM guitar patches  - all self contained , no external mixer required.

See the VG-99 Flow Chart here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1485.0;attach=1612


After the VG-99 Mag PU "FX Insert" mod - you will now be able to connect your GK-3A equipped guitar to the VG-99 using the typical 13 pin cable, then when you select the "Normal Guitar" position on the GK-3A's "Guitar/ mix/ Synth" switch -  you may employ third party guitar stomp boxes on the Mag PU signal path - after the mod you will use the VG-99 "Guitar Out" jack as an FX Send - to feed the Mag P.U. signal ( which connects to the VG-99 via the the 13 pin cable) to your assortment of guitar stomp boxes (Keely Compresser, Fultone OCD,E-H Memory man, Line6 M13, etc.)  then the last stomp box the chain can now be routed back into the VG-99's 1/4" "Guitar Input" jack - - which after the modification to the internal VG-99 routing,  is now an "FX Return  for further VG-99 processing like COSM Amp sims and delays and reverbs and EQ.

To see the VG-99 FX Loop Mod signal flow below for what I propose we CLONE and implement this same circuit in the Boss GP-10:

Here's the stock VG-99 Signal Flow:




Here's the modified VG-99 Signal Flow after the "FX Insert" mod:





Its a simple mod - move 2 internal connections ( cut & jumper) on a PC board.

The Caveat - the external FX can not be used on the hexaphonic signals ( COSM Guitar)

They only function on the standard Magnetic Pickup's signal path prior to hitting the VG-99's COSM Amp Sims.


Here is the PDF of  2001 era VG-88 version of the old " Lets re-allocating the VG/GR  1/4" GUITAR OUT /  GUITAR IN Jacks  - into a Mono Stomp Box FX Loop by moving a wire or two inside" instructions:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=474.0;attach=420



glennfin posted detail plans for implanting an "FX Loop Mod" for the VG-99.

: VG-99 simple FX Loop for Boutique pedals off Normal Guitar PU feed.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=474.msg79966#msg79966
courtesy of "glennfin"



Internally, the Boss GP-10 GK 13 pin input is similar to the GR-55, so a variation on the GR-55 FX Loop Mod could be accomplished too.

* DIY GR-55 guitar pickup input output fx loop Mod with Pictures!
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3994.0

thebrushwithin

QuoteEven though the GP-10 is mostly a re-integration of existing Roland technologies, I still don't see how they can make much money on them.
There's an awful lot going on in there for such a low price.

My guess is they are still making a decent profit, via volume, as the whole VG series, which this is a derivative of, had a very high profit margin. They are now, in this generation of equipment, mixing previous technologies, COSM - OSC, etc., while taking advantage of improved processing power at a greatly reduced cost, re: Moore's Law. Accessories, like their new cable, have always been high profit, but also must be sold in high volumes. I have purchased enough 13 pin cables just in the last year and a half, to pay for a GP-10. I still say the omission of midi was a mistake, unless of course, there suddenly appears a GP-10M, or another GP flagship model, in the $600 range. Everyone here would buy it, even though they already have two GP-10s. You know you would, and so do they, now that you have a taste of the new stuff.

Elantric

Quote
My guess is they are still making a decent profit, via volume, as the whole VG series, which this is a derivative of, had a very high profit margin. They are now, in this generation of equipment, mixing previous technologies, COSM - OSC, etc., while taking advantage of improved processing power at a greatly reduced cost, re: Moore's Law. Accessories, like their new cable, have always been high profit, but also must be sold in high volumes. I have purchased enough 13 pin cables just in the last year and a half, to pay for a GP-10. I still say the omission of midi was a mistake, unless of course, there suddenly appears a GP-10M, or another GP flagship model, in the $600 range. Everyone here would buy it, even though they already have two GP-10s. You know you would, and so do they, now that you have a taste of the new stuff.

I concur!

amplayer

Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 18, 2014, 11:31:49 PM
I still say the omission of midi was a mistake, unless of course, there suddenly appears a GP-10M, or another GP flagship model, in the $600 range. Everyone here would buy it, even though they already have two GP-10s. You know you would, and so do they, now that you have a taste of the new stuff.

I haven't bought a GP-10 yet, but I probably will. 
Still, lack of MIDI is a definite bummer to me.  Mostly all I want is more pedals to control it with.
If they had a connection for the FC-300, that would be golden!

You're definitely right that I'd buy "a GP-10M, or another GP flagship model, in the $600 range."

glennfin

#10
WOW!.... Am I correct in assuming that it's the same size/form factor (depth, height) as the GP-10?

(edit) nope.... just checked.... it's 131mm deep while the GP-10 is 207mm.

still looks like it belongs more with the GP-10 than the FS-6... might just want to bolt that right to the side of the GP-10.

Musicians Friend is showing this out of stock until December 2014...

(update) now they're saying the middle of January 2015  :P



Quote from:  Elantric on September 02, 2014, 10:30:31 AM
New Boss FS-7 Dual Foot switch
http://www.bossus.com/gear/productdetails.php?ProductId=1332



FS-7: Dual Footswitch

Space-Saving, Multifunctional Dual Footswitch

FS-7 is a compact dual footswitch for remote control of effect pedals or amp channel switching. Two footswitches are arranged in tandem, which saves space on effects pedal boards. Each A/B switch has two selectable modes for latch or momentary, enabling control of a wide range of equipment.

Dual footswitch in a small footprint
Latch/momentary switching function
Durable steel chassis
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Power via 9v adapter (power splitter included)
Operates as momentary switch with no power*
*LEDs will not illuminate without AC power.


Rusty Kirkland

Elantric, 
I just got a Black Box Remote....   (and have a GP-10)

I'm assuming that with "creative cabling" that I can get ALL of this going into the expression pedal jack on GP-10?
Rusty

Rusty Kirkland

elantric, different question:

I have a midx unit by primova and it's working great for allowing midi input to the gp-10...
question: should I expect the gp-10 to respond to incoming midi clock?
Rusty

Elantric

#13
If it's possible, it will be listed here:

GP-10 Complete MIDI IMPLEMENTATION
https://rolandus.zendesk.com/attachments/token/9DpnoVeDSj9pFGUAepOpoTthq/?name=GP-10_MIDI_Imple_e01_W.pdf

sixeight

The GP10 cannot receive midi clock.

Nobulusprime

This might be a dumb question but has anyone managed to put a 13pin out on a GP10? Or is it even possible to run a parallel output (I'm hoping it is)

I have VG99 and now I have a GP10 and I'd like to use them together and I don't want a US20 (I've had one of those before).
They work amazingly well together just routing the VG99 headphone into the Aux in on the GP10 and the guitar out of the VG99 into the guitar in.

I just want the simplest set up to be honest and the Y cable at £85 is expensive and cumbersome. There seems to be enough space in the GP10 to do have the output on the side.

Any suggestions and wiring diagrams would be most appreciated

Thanks in advance

Sean

Elantric

#16
Most build the GK13 Y cable using the plans already  mentioned / detailed here

Gk 13 Y splitter cable
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12621.0;attach=9868

admin

#17




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Lindsay Henderson wrote>

After years of using a VG-8, VG-99 (I've had 4!), and Variaxes, I've finally settled on a rig that pretty much keeps me satisfied!

2 x Rackmounted GP-10s
Helix Rack
MOTU Ultralite AVB
Mac Mini
TC Voiceworks

My Variax hooks up to the Helix and the 2 GP-10s via a 25-pin cable!

I'm also working on a Teensy installed in the Variax for triggering drums and other stuff (that's what all the extra switches are for).
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=217.0
This covers everything I need from simple bar gigs with my Blues band to my own stuff, which is a bit more 'experimental'.

I'm actually preferring the GP-10 modelling to Variax these days, especially the Strats. I'm using an acoustic IR in the Helix to help the GP-10's acoustics sound a bit more natural.



LinzHenderson

Thanks, Steve!

I did the rack conversion myself. I did a VG-8 rack mount many years ago (think I put it on VGuitarforums..) but sold it on to finance my first VG-99. I decided a couple of years ago to put 2 GP-10s in a case together, but it evolved into the rack conversion after I got my Helix.

I think the GP-10's one of the most underrated pieces of guitar gear. I loved my VG-99s, but they just never seemed to fit my needs, physically. The combo of 2 x GP-10, Helix, Mac Mini, and MOTU AVB allow me to work in so many different ways and keep everything very compact and flexible.

For example: with my Blues band, I can run everything without having to use the Mac Mini. I've got a miniature WiFi hub which hooks up to the MOTU, so I can mix the band from my phone. However, when I want to do something more complex, I boot up the Mac Mini and use Ableton Live for all manner of looping, synths, and effects.

It's also my entire studio! I use the same setup to teach guitar lessons and compose on.

It's also very reliable, despite the fact it's not entirely complete (and a bit of a mess inside!). It's been out many, many times over the past 18 months and I've never had a problem. In case of emergencies, I can hook up my MackBook Pro, an old Asus Netbook, or even my iPad to get the show going again.

I've got a lot to finish off, but there are too many gigs at the moment so can't quite afford the downtime, so I'll put up some sound samples when I get time.

admin

Quote from: LinzHenderson on February 08, 2018, 04:56:09 PM
Thanks, Steve!

I did the rack conversion myself. I did a VG-8 rack mount many years ago (think I put it on VGuitarforums..) but sold it on to finance my first VG-99. I decided a couple of years ago to put 2 GP-10s in a case together, but it evolved into the rack conversion after I got my Helix.

I think the GP-10's one of the most underrated pieces of guitar gear. I loved my VG-99s, but they just never seemed to fit my needs, physically. The combo of 2 x GP-10, Helix, Mac Mini, and MOTU AVB allow me to work in so many different ways and keep everything very compact and flexible.

For example: with my Blues band, I can run everything without having to use the Mac Mini. I've got a miniature WiFi hub which hooks up to the MOTU, so I can mix the band from my phone. However, when I want to do something more complex, I boot up the Mac Mini and use Ableton Live for all manner of looping, synths, and effects.

It's also my entire studio! I use the same setup to teach guitar lessons and compose on.

It's also very reliable, despite the fact it's not entirely complete (and a bit of a mess inside!). It's been out many, many times over the past 18 months and I've never had a problem. In case of emergencies, I can hook up my MackBook Pro, an old Asus Netbook, or even my iPad to get the show going again.

I've got a lot to finish off, but there are too many gigs at the moment so can't quite afford the downtime, so I'll put up some sound samples when I get time.

really excellent rig - thanks for sharing the details!
https://www.facebook.com/groups/VGuitarForums/permalink/700242967031792/

aliensporebomb

I'd be curious to hear the results from this rig at its full power with a mix of all the bits if you have some time to record something.  I've got both VG-99 and GP-10 and they both fit different musical niches but some of the things the 99 does the 10 can't do and the updated sound algorithms in the 10 make it great for some more "conventional" sounds for me.
Together they'd be unbeatable. 

So how did you get the GP-10s rackmounted?   Did you just roll up your sleeves and do it yourself?  It's impressive to say the least.
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

thebrushwithin

Hello Linz,
    Remembering your rack mounted VG8, several of us have wondered if you have any design drawings for that particular conversion, that you would perhaps share?
Thanks.

HAMERMAN409

Why 2 GP-10's? To eliminate patch switching delays or something along those lines or to give the ability to mix 2 sounds?

Smash

It's almost a vg99 in rack format but better modelling I guess

LinzHenderson

Thanks for the kind words and questions!

I'm hoping to get around to some songwriting & demo vids soon. To be honest, my current studio's so cold at the moment, I just don't have the will to go in and do any work! lol I've also got the Variax on the bench for some refinement at the moment, but I'll hopefully get something recorded in the next week or so as I've got a lot of people asking for some more info.

I'll post all the info (that I can remember!) here, in one post.

Yeah, I did the rackmounting myself. It started out as a 3D printed box containing the 2 GP-10s. I mounted that in a case along with my Alto mixer. The idea was to have a simple, lightweight rig for small Jazz and Blues gigs.

Apparently I never got around to taking pics of the finished thing, but this was the basic idea, photographed before it was all finished:





My bigger rig, which was my studio rack, was based around Ableton Live using S-Gear via my MOTU Ultralite and a USB to MIDI/SPDIF box for the Variax. I missed a lot of the features I was used to from the Roland systems I've used, so I then bought VG-99 number 4! However, I'd always had some issues with excess noise on the '99 and this one was no different. It also never quite lived up to the sounds I had in my head. I loved the dual paths and the MASSIVE sounds I could get with 2 x 12 string emulations, pitch shifted, open tuned (etc.) then split across different strings etc. I then (quite spontaneously) decided to buy a Helix Rack, and ended up with this setup:



After getting a bit fed up with the VG's form factor (and needing a bit of cash), I decided that I would be better off rack mounting my 2 GP-10s and selling the VG. The GP's models, although not quite as flexible as the 99's, seemed a little cleaner to me and I loved its USB MIDI out. Along with the Helix, it would be compact enough for small gigs, but also powerful enough for a more ambitious project. That's when I created the current version (the lower rack's redundant now - I just use it in the studio to raise the main rack up to a decent working height):




So, what are the benefits (to me)? Firstly, I'm able to carry it safely to any sized gig. The previous rack was a little awkward and it never quite felt solid enough. Most of my paid gigs are with my Blues band or various small Jazz bands. I wanted to have plenty of control, but didn't want to rely on any computer-based solutions for the simple gigs. The 2 GP-10s give me a nice level of control without having to rely on MIDI - not quite as much as the VG-99, but worth the trade-off in size. As well as the form-factor/size, there's a certain level of redundancy. I can go direct to the Helix with the Variax on battery power, use normal pickups, use either GP-10 with the GK, and I can bypass the Helix and go via the Mac Mini and S-Gear if there's an emergency. Of course, the ultimate goal is to use it all together, but it's nice to have options in case of emergencies.

I'm not using the Variax at the moment due to messing about with some mods and re-installing the Teensy (arduino) board and some switches. That means I'm relying entirely on the GP-10's modelling as I'm using my Patrick Eggle Berlin which only has the GK connected - no 'real' pickups hooked up just now. I've stuck with that for a couple of weeks now, because I'm getting far clearer, more 'stereotypical' Strat and Les Paul sounds out of the GP compared to the Variax. I didn't used to feel like that, but it's working nicely and a few people have noticed the extra clarity I'm getting, so I'm happy :-)




The 2 GP-10s are set to different patches according to the band I'm with. The left side one is currently the most used. I control the model with a 3-way toggle switch connected to GK S1 & S2, which gives me 4 separate sounds in one patch (via assigns), with no need for MIDI. It's set to change to:

Les Paul Bridge
Strat Neck
Acoustic
Nylon

The Helix controls the CTL 3 & 4 jack, which I use for either Open G, or Open D tunings.

The right side is currently set up without any CTL switching (just GK) and is usually set to a Bass patch for some extra depth to certain tunes. In the Jazz bands, I always play bass, then switch to an L4 sound to take a solo, then back to bass. Switching on the GP-10 was never a problem at all, but now I just set each GP to the appropriate patch and use the Helix returns to switch between them.

For my own material, I love to experiment with BIG sounds, so that's one reason for using the Variax along with 2 GP-10s. I can split strings and feeds signals into the Helix or Mac Mini separately, and create huge sounds but still have total control over it all. The main benefit over the VG-99, for me (aside from the real-estate), is that I've got 3 guitar models which can be switched instantly, either individually or together. That's where the Mac Mini comes in. It's used for Ableton Live, but also deals with patch changes and MIDI control/routing. I use Plogue Bidule for my MIDI patch routing. I know I could do a lot of this with a Raspberry Pi, but the Mac's there running Ableton, so it might as well be doing the MIDI stuff, too.

The other purpose of the Mac Mini is for processing all of these signals out-with or alongside the Helix. Here's the other benefit of 2 GP-10s; I can play riffs with or without extra parts, but capture any part I choose using Ableton. This helps me get round what I see as the biggest problem with live looping - the length of time it takes to build parts. I can play an intro with chords and secretly record a bassline, tapped off from a GP-10, then introduce that on the next time round as I play some lead. I'll need to work a bit on my technique and make a video of that, as it's a bit tricky to explain exactly what I mean.

The MOTU Ultralite AVB is an amazing tool in all of this too. It's rock-solid and can be used stand-alone. For the Blues gigs, I control my own sound, the keyboardist's, and all the vocals. There's room for the bass and a couple of drum mics, too, but we don't really need to do that. I use a tiny little WiFI router, made by 'Vonets', to hook up my iPhone to the MOTU and mix everything during the gig.

On larger gigs (and what I plan to do when I start gigging my own material), I can run the iphone via the Vonets WiFi and control the Mac Mini without a screen. That also lets me connect a MacBook Pro to the MOTU's ethernet port, and I can simultaneously run audio from the Mini via USB. It's meant I can run quite complex soft synths for MIDI guitar, despite the fact that my Mini and the MBP are both relatively outdated 2012 models. Even better is the fact that my iPad can hook up to the Helix and receive all the MIDI data I'm generating for some great apps like Moog's Model 15 and Sunrizer! I also run a lot of MIDI as backing using Ableton's clips, which I can modify in realtime using expression pedals. For example, I'll run MIDI drum loops with some randomisation which I can then influence via expression, allowing me to add a lot of dynamics without the backing sounding like it's simply being turned up and down in volume.

It probably sounds like total overkill to some people, but the point is, it's a compact, reliable system that can scale up and down to suit almost any purpose. All the sound-generation is done via guitar, whether it be audio or MIDI, and I can set everything up in 20 minutes and take up very little space.

I'm sure I've forgotten loads of details, but I'm glad I could share my project with you :-)

Feel free to ask questions and I'll do my best to get back to everyone.

I'd just like to thank everyone involved in VGuitar Forums. You're a hugely knowledgable bunch and I've used the site as a resource for many years. It's nice to know there are many like-minded musicians out there who aren't scared to push the boundaries of music production and performance beyond the traditional methods!

Cheers guys!