MeloAudio - MIDI Commander

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#25
Since you own the MIDX-20  - load MIDX-20  with the proper firmware to control the GP-10 using the special MIDX-20 provided MIDI CC# commands for GP-10

Here is the big list of what you can control on the GP-10 using the MIDX-20
http://www.primovasound.com/pdf/MIDX_20_GP-10.pdf


then proceed with the setting up MIDI Controller tutorial here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0


1st stumbling block you will encounter  - the  MeloAudio MIDI Commander lacks user assignable "VALUES" for each MIDI CC# message

so its going to be useless in this scenario

the MorningStar MC6 MKII will be a much better solution to control the MIDX-20 >GP-10 combo 

JeffTronics

Thanks for the tips. The further I dive into this I'm realizing a limitation of the GP-10 which is not going to work for me right now. It looks like I'll be going back to my Zoom G5. For my workflow, I need the option to toggle my effects at the stomp box level . The GP-10 merges the same effects I use and want to button map, into the one FX pedal setting. Including Compression and OD. I was thinking/hoping the controller would access any of them simultaneously from the same Patch. I know I could create different patches by Fx, but that's counter intuitive.

The G5 allows me to have 8 effects in the same chain at foot level to toggle on and off, and in any configuration or order. Sometimes I want to have Wah, Octave, and Distortion at the same time. Sounds messy I know – lol. It also shows me the Effects names clearly and I can live in the same patch for while.

I will have to table my MIDI Commander for a rainy before diving in again to configure it for my GR-55/GP-10 weather permitting. (Rainy day project). I really appreciate the nudge in the right direction and started reading up on the tutorials. And, the Morningstar is out of stock, so maybe I'll pick one up.

So far my most favorable setup is using the GKFX-1 to split my guitar off to the Zoom or my VoiceLive 3, and let the GR-55 or GP-10 handle COSM and Modeling. It makes me wonder why Roland does not just make a smaller footprint again with everything the 55 has in it (and more), and stay away from the regular guitar effects in the same box. 

Feel free to bump this thread to a more appropriate post. I don't want to hijack the topic. Or let me know, and I'll remove it :)

Again, thank you.





JiveTurkey

Can you edit one of the pre-provided templates for a particular platform? Like I want to use it with my Kemper but edit the CC#s the expression pedals are assigned?

Smash

There are 2 user programmable set ups - custom 1 and custom 2. You can switch modes at power on

JiveTurkey

Quote from: Smash on October 11, 2019, 11:07:36 AM
There are 2 user programmable set ups - custom 1 and custom 2. You can switch modes at power on
Thanks. I know about the custom modes. I should probably be fine with the stock Kemper config, but I do know I will most likely want to modify the stock expression pedal config. Custom means I have to program the whole enchilada and I am trying to avoid that if I can  ;D

JiveTurkey

Per their site (well, semi-deep in a FAQ forum); you cannot customize the Kemper (and I am assuming other) templates.

admin

Quote from: JiveTurkey on October 11, 2019, 11:17:56 AM
Thanks. I know about the custom modes. I should probably be fine with the stock Kemper config, but I do know I will most likely want to modify the stock expression pedal config. Custom means I have to program the whole enchilada and I am trying to avoid that if I can  ;D

I find creating a custom user template on MeloAudio  - MIDI Commander a breeze - and superior to most other MIDI controllers

JiveTurkey

Quote from: admin on October 11, 2019, 12:16:50 PM
I find creating a custom user template on MeloAudio  - MIDI Commander a breeze - and superior to most other MIDI controllers
It actually looks like a semi-cakewalk in comparison to setting up my Microdesignum. I'll probably roll with it a bit using a rechargeable battery for now before making the move to the melo.

gekomax

just to know.
what does it happen if I left disabled the toggle option for CC keys?
Thanks

admin

#37
Quote from: gekomax on November 01, 2019, 03:06:56 PM
just to know.
what does it happen if I left disabled the toggle option for CC keys?
Thanks

You will only get to turn the effect on  - and not off

Some applications that is desired  - but you will want MIDICC# Toggle mode on  for a "Stompbox on /off mode for remote control of effects on/off with most DSP MFX 

Charles Beatty

Does anyone know of a step-by-step instruction for setting up the Midi Commander with HX Stomp?  It seems the manufacturer has a preset for everything but Line 6. 

admin

#39
Build your own
Read the MIDI Commander thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=22029.0

And this thread

MIDI controller Setup / Debug
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2975.0

Charles Beatty

Thanks admin. 

I'm just going to return the Midi Commander and look for a nice deal on a Nektar Pacer. 

Interestingly, I go way back on V-Guitaring.  Had a VG-8, VG-99.  Roland-ready Strats.  Every Variax since the 300.  TriplePlay, etc.

Had nearly every modeling amp since the original Line 6 AX2. 

I am pretty expert on digital recording, mixing, and mastering, including virtual instruments and midi editing.

But I never learned midi controller programming.  Still don't really comprehend it!

admin

Quote from: Charles Beatty on November 25, 2020, 12:12:10 PM
Thanks admin. 

I'm just going to return the Midi Commander and look for a nice deal on a Nektar Pacer. 

Interestingly, I go way back on V-Guitaring.  Had a VG-8, VG-99.  Roland-ready Strats.  Every Variax since the 300.  TriplePlay, etc.

Had nearly every modeling amp since the original Line 6 AX2. 

I am pretty expert on digital recording, mixing, and mastering, including virtual instruments and midi editing.

But I never learned midi controller programming.  Still don't really comprehend it!

Read links above and learn

Nektar will not be ANY easier than MeloAudio MIDI COMMANDER

Charles Beatty

I hear what you're saying.  But I reckon the Pacer already has Line 6 presets to start with. 

admin

#43
Quote from: Charles Beatty on November 25, 2020, 12:52:35 PM
I hear what you're saying.  But I reckon the Pacer already has Line 6 presets to start with.
Not that I'm aware of

The process is like this



https://welovesinging.com/best-midi-controller-for-hx-stomp/

Charles Beatty

To close the loop on this.  The Nektar Pacer did have two Helix presets.  But I decided to return it anyway because it's fairly big. 

Smash

Midi commander is not very flexible tbh. The value of CCs is fixed at 64 for example. If you really want one buy the Thomann Harley Benton version instead - same product but substantially cheaper

vtgearhead

Are there any other Melo Audio Midi Commander users here?  I'm pleased with the device itself (although programming could be more flexible), but battery life is falling well short of the 20 hours they claim.  It runs a pair of fresh Duracell AAA batteries to the point of shutdown in about 5 hours.  For safety's sake, I've had to resort to USB power to avoid unpleasant surprises at gigs.  Would be curious about other folks experiences.

I suspect there's something wrong with the battery voltage sensing and/or internal regulation.  The LCD display reads ~3.1V with fresh batteries, then quickly drops to 2.9x, 2.7x, etc. until the unit shuts down.  I trust my Fluke 8060a DVM more than the internal sensing and it reports 3.1V (under load) even at that point. Naturally I didn't unbox or use the unit during the warranty period, so not sure what - if anything - Melo Audio would do to help.

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#47
Quote from:  vtgearhead on June 20, 2021, 05:57:59 AM
Are there any other Melo Audio Midi Commander users here?  I'm pleased with the device itself (although programming could be more flexible), but battery life is falling well short of the 20 hours they claim.  It runs a pair of fresh Duracell AAA batteries to the point of shutdown in about 5 hours.  For safety's sake, I've had to resort to USB power to avoid unpleasant surprises at gigs.  Would be curious about other folks experiences.

I suspect there's something wrong with the battery voltage sensing and/or internal regulation.  The LCD display reads ~3.1V with fresh batteries, then quickly drops to 2.9x, 2.7x, etc. until the unit shuts down.  I trust my Fluke 8060a DVM more than the internal sensing and it reports 3.1V (under load) even at that point. Naturally I didn't unbox or use the unit during the warranty period, so not sure what - if anything - Melo Audio would do to help.

I tend to use it in 3 hour sessions, about 4 times before the batteries fail 
5 hours seems short
( but I never get the 40 hours they currently state
https://meloaudio.com/products/meloaudio-midi-commander-guitar-floor-multi-effects-portable-usb-midi-foot-controller-foot-switches

And there is new Firmware for MIDI Commander

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0142/2137/7594/files/DFU_Package_190813.zip?571


But they do have a USB power jack for  external power supply or higher current battery pack

FWIW - the Hartley Benton version has a better Owners Manual   
https://images.thomann.de/pics/atg/atgdata/document/manual/432459_c_432459_r1_en_online.pdf

and you can use rechargeable AAA batteries and recharge in the unit

You can charge rechargeable AAA NiMH batteries directly in the device. Activate the built-in
charging function only if you have inserted rechargeable batteries.
1. Insert two AAA NiMH batteries.
2. Connect the device to the power supply with the USB cable.
3. Press [ /CHG], hold down the button, and turn the device off and on again at the main
switch.
ð The charge mode for rechargeable batteries is activated. Charging stops automati‐
cally when the battery is fully charged (average charging time approx. 3 hours).

vtgearhead

Quote from: admin on June 20, 2021, 08:16:42 AM

And there is new Firmware for MIDI Commander
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0142/2137/7594/files/DFU_Package_190813.zip?571

But they do have a USB power jack for  external power supply or higher current battery pack

FWIW - the Hartley Benton version has a better Owners Manual   
https://images.thomann.de/pics/atg/atgdata/document/manual/432459_c_432459_r1_en_online.pdf

and you can use rechargeable AAA batteries and recharge in the unit

Thanks for the link to the Harley Benton manual.  Amusingly, they still state that CC switches toggle between 0..64.  In fact, it's 0..127 - even with the original firmware.

Since I'm using it to control effects and muting on our Behringer X18 console it's easy enough to cable together a USB and MIDI cable and tether that to the rear of the mixer rack.  An extra iPhone charger provides more than enough current to run the pedal.

One pet peeve:  I cannot fathom why neither the MIDI Commander or my Decibel 11 unit support definition of max/min CC payload value.  Fortunately, 0 & 127 work fine in my current application, but there are numerous cases where the ability to define these limits would be useful.

admin

#49
Quote from: vtgearhead on June 20, 2021, 10:33:49 AM
Thanks for the link to the Harley Benton manual.  Amusingly, they still state that CC switches toggle between 0..64.  In fact, it's 0..127 - even with the original firmware.

Since I'm using it to control effects and muting on our Behringer X18 console it's easy enough to cable together a USB and MIDI cable and tether that to the rear of the mixer rack.  An extra iPhone charger provides more than enough current to run the pedal.

One pet peeve:  I cannot fathom why neither the MIDI Commander or my Decibel 11 unit support definition of max/min CC payload value.  Fortunately, 0 & 127 work fine in my current application, but there are numerous cases where the ability to define these limits would be useful.

My 1st gen MeloAudio MIDI Commander on MIDi Toggle mode - transmits either MIDI CC# value 0, (Off)  or MIDI CC# Value 64 (on)

Perhaps they updated this on latest Firmware 
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0142/2137/7594/files/DFU_Package_190813.zip?571
The MorningStar MC-8 has far more options

QuoteOne pet peeve:  I cannot fathom why neither the MIDI Commander or my Decibel 11 unit support definition of max/min CC payload value.  Fortunately, 0 & 127 work fine in my current application, but there are numerous cases where the ability to define these limits would be useful.

Thats where older 1st gen Roland Guitar MIDi Processors shine - nothing else surpassed the MIDI Implementation of 1986 Roland GM-70
http://cdn.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/GM-70_OM.pdf
https://www.joness.com/gr300/GM-70.htm