Dark Fire Wiki?

Started by Sympodius, March 07, 2010, 04:01:19 AM

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Sympodius

#25
Well, not quite. If you create a new page, it is a little hard for a regular user to delete it, but if you create a section on an existing page, that is easy to delete. However, the wiki will store all changes that have ever been made to page, so it won't be deleted permenantly (everything can be restored to an earlier version). If you want to check how something looks, there is a preview option on the edit pages which will show you the output without changing anything. The wiki also has a scratchpad area called the sandbox which you can use to learn the syntax without fear of 'breaking' a page.

The formatting language used by our software is intended to be easier to use than SGML/XML/HTML based languages. However, it does have less flexibility. This makes sense for a wiki, of course, as it maintains a uniform look and is better for security. That being said, some HTML tags will still work if you choose to use them, but this is discouraged. You can browse the full syntax at Wikipedia's website.
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Gibson Les Paul Dark Fire (Serial: DF 0683)

MCK-fgn

Hear hear!!! Written like a true Admin! Everyone, meet our new Admin. Sympodious is behind all the guts and glory of our new Wiki. Its shaping up to be great thanks to his efforts. Time now to start chipping in. Please don't be shy!!!
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Sympodius

Thanks for the intro, MCK :)
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Gibson Les Paul Dark Fire (Serial: DF 0683)

Elantric-fgn

I have everything already completed -

But its in Wordperfect 5.0 format. ;)
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MCK-fgn

Quote from:  Elantric on March 13, 2010, 10:49:54 AM
I have everything already completed -

But its in Wordperfect 5.0 format. ;)

You're in good shape. I'm still struggling with the update form WANG...  :P
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Sympodius

Well, to be honest, I think WikiML is something different. But I could be wrong. I'm pretty certain that what we're using couldn't be called a form of SGML. It has a very non-XML look to it. I've made a quick reference of the wiki syntax so that people can have a look. A discussion on how to make tables using wiki syntax can be found on Wikipedia's help pages.

I am indeed at the final stage of my PhD. However, my understanding of the general philosophy of 'wiki' is to just publish everything all the time. Even if grammar, layout or formatting is incorrect. This means that other people can come in and correct stuff without needing an explicit editorial process. If bad pages are created that need to be removed later, then that can also be achieved, but it's not something I'd worry about.
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Gibson Les Paul Dark Fire (Serial: DF 0683)

Sympodius

Incidentally, I write most of my stuff in LaTeX :)
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shawnb-fgn

My question is when to use the wiki vs. when to use the forum.  Is it a:

Questions & exploration - use the forum?

Answers & facts - use the wiki?

When we've resolve an issue here in the forum, should we post the corresponding result in the wiki? 

How do the two intertwine?
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MCK-fgn

I think you've answered your question. Forum is where we breed knowledge. Wiki is where we hang it to grow and deliver value.
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Sympodius

Quote from:  MCK on March 14, 2010, 12:00:03 AM
Forum is where we breed knowledge. Wiki is where we hang it to grow and deliver value.

+1 :)
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MCK-fgn

Great job! The table looks wonderful! Thanks for your efforts.

I'd like to think that Gibson should be cool with us taking the existing manuals apart and re-stitching them in a manner that makes more sense for the community. It just might save them the effort of re-doing the Dark Fire Manual too. So I think this is a win win outcome for all at the end of the day. I'd say we should be ok to copy/paste and then reformat / para-phrase somewhat and make the material unique.

Then again, do note I'm not a lawyer and don't wish to learn any more about the legalities at hand here. This is a grassroots efforts by the people for the people... If Gibson has a problem with our content then we'll just adapt accordingly. Just my $0.02.

Thanks once again for your willingness to contribute.
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Sympodius

Thanks for doing that, PLexxiTronic. It is greatly appreciated. I feel that after a good start, I will probably not be working on the wiki over the next week or so. A few looming deadlines have come up and some family stuff as well. But hopefully I'll help out more soon.

In terms of the copyright, I think Gibson will probably be okay as long as we're not making any money from it. There are no adverts on the wiki and we don't charge for access, so I don't think it should really be an issue. Having said that, we should try and make things as much our own as possible. Overall, the wiki should benefit us and Gibson, so I'd be surprised if any issue was made of it. Despite our various grumblings ( :) ), Gibson have actually been pretty nice to us so far. They've pretty much just left us to get on with it and haven't made much issue of us storing local copies of their downloads. And Tronical (who I presume are the people who actually write the manuals) have been pretty wonderful to us. Essentially, the wiki is doing much the same thing as storing local copies for download so, again, as long as we're not exploiting their work for profit, I'm sure it'll be okay.

I guess it would be prudent to ask Tronical if they have any thoughts on this?
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Gibson Les Paul Dark Fire (Serial: DF 0683)

Elantric-fgn

#37
Tronical writes them, Anderton rewrites them, ( although several FGN forum members here "ghost rewrote" the the official Dark Fire 4.0 Manual - including me.

I find andertons manuals introduce operations  out of sequence, and Major key concepts are left buried in the middle of a long paragraph

I would use this file as a source when possible,
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=227


and avoid blanket copy paste directly from  Gibson Manuals

We can rewrite our own.

We should all agree on the MCK use - Since we have an International Audience, lets use words that translate well into Spanish, German, Italian, French, Russian, Japanese, Chinese -  I know its a tall order.


For instance lifting the MCK - its a battle of Egos on what do we call it?  "Pull Out", "Lift UP", "Pull Up", "Lift Out, ""Switch On",  - All get used for the same function depending on the author.

Then there is what to call working with the MCK - as there are different modes that engage depending on the duration when it is slightly pressed "in". "Enter", Tap", "Push MCK Down", Push MCK In" - these all get used for the identical intended function - with frustrating results if you push the MCK too far.


Lets all determine a "common MCK  syntax" that everyone likes and stick to it for the Wiki.

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MCK-fgn

This is great! Thanks for putting thought into this. Most appreciated.
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MCK-fgn

I think its looking great! My only suggestion would be to perhaps change the table of contents (second URL) to a bulleted list style rather than having the 1 to 27 incremental numbering in there. It makes it a little confusing for me. Not sure how strongly you feel about this presentation. Thanks once again for your effort.
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MCK-fgn

Ok. I understand. Thanks for trying.
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MCK-fgn

The Composite Table of Functions is looking great! Great resource.
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MCK-fgn

You're doing a great job! Little bit at a time is a lot better than nothing ... [ Hint hint everybody ... ] Thanks for all your contributions!
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