Boss SY-1000 Bug list

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stub

Quote from: kimyo on November 08, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
is it silly to expect that the sy-1000 would deliver similar results when compared to the gp-10 or gr-55?  no one would call either 'perfect', but they both do produce acceptable tones at -24. 

if we were 'demanding' 'perfect' alt-tuning that would be one thing.  what would be useful is if the feature functioned as it does in the older units.

If it was as easy as you think it should be, then it would be done. They've had more than one bite at this apple, and this is likely as good as it's going to get. Perhaps they over-delivered with all the other stuff in the package, and had to compromise elsewhere.

JiveTurkey

Quote from: kimyo on November 08, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
is it silly to expect that the sy-1000 would deliver similar results when compared to the gp-10 or gr-55?  no one would call either 'perfect', but they both do produce acceptable tones at -24. 

if we were 'demanding' 'perfect' alt-tuning that would be one thing.  what would be useful is if the feature functioned as it does in the older units.
It's silly to expect anything additional out of Boss. I have learned that over the years. Is it right? No. Does that change anything? Unfortunately; no.

gumtown

You would expect the latest "flagship" product to at least be 'on-par' with the predecessors.

But I do love the SY-1000 for what it currently is,
do I wish Boss could improve it, or add more features? Sure !!

Am I surprised with Boss's arrogance to customer requests? not at all,
they have always operated like that, so I don't expect any change. What so ever, (but they are welcome to prove me wrong).
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kimyo

Quote from: stub on November 08, 2021, 11:19:49 AMIf it was as easy as you think it should be, then it would be done.

when did i ever say it would be easy?  the whole reason we are here is because the accountants at boss chose the 'easy' path instead of one likely to result in a reliable product.

accountants think you can duct tape software together and get a coherent result.  surely you've seen this across many industries, boss is just one of many to succumb to this disease. 

stub

It is EASY to make assumptions based on literally zero information and our biases.

Brak(E)man

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Quote from: kimyo on November 08, 2021, 11:07:38 AM
is it silly to expect that the sy-1000 would deliver similar results when compared to the gp-10 or gr-55?  no one would call either 'perfect', but they both do produce acceptable tones at -24. 

if we were 'demanding' 'perfect' alt-tuning that would be one thing.  what would be useful is if the feature functioned as it does in the older units.

For me the alt tuning with chords on GP-10 is so bad it's not usable.
And it's even worse on SY-1000 , at least on GP-10 I could use a 12 string simulation, on SY-1000
that doesn't work for me.
On the VG99 I could use 12 stringed emulation tuned in 4ths and 5ths and bend in between
no warbles  OBS with Fernandes sustainer full blast in the 5th mode.


I used reverse Nashville a lot with the VGs , if I use it on GP and especially the SY the warbles goes through the rooooooof. It's not useable unless I want to incorporate the warbles into the playing which I've done at times.

It's not to much to ask to have a useful function as the alt tuning useable but for me it's only useable with single string ( or strumming which I hardly ever never do )

I can still not understand why this problem arrived ( for me at least ) with the GP-10
Same guitars same setups since my VG8 .... still works with all the VGs alt tune.
It's weird and also imho rude of Boss not to address this in an open dialogue.
I'd settle for an explanation and an acknowledgment of the problem.
Why did this bug come into play with the newer units and the older ones still works with this feature?
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

stub

Quote from: Brak(E)man on November 08, 2021, 12:50:45 PM
Why did this bug come into play with the newer units and the older ones still works with this feature?

That's the $64000 question. I'm guessing the answer is messy and complicated.

When I used the 12-string mode on the GP-10, it was fine until I started going above the 7th fret. If I wanted a cheap laugh I'd play the 7th fret harmonic across all six strings and just let the little choir of idiots sing.

Bluesbird

If I had as many problems as some have with the SY-1000, I would do one of two things--sell it or try to mitigate the problems. When I first bought it, I think it lasted two weeks, and then I bought it again a month or so later and it has been with me ever since. I noticed that the SY-1000 was extremely sensitive to the type of hex pickup, its position from bridge and height to strings. I also noticed that octave jumps could be eliminated by adding mass to the headstock (found out by accident that an octave jump stopped when I had a clip-on tuner attached to the headstock). This kind of technology is not ideally suited for the plug-n-players, though it is well suited for DIY'ers. I have a guitar that I installed a GK kit in and it works extremely well with the SY-1000. It is a rewarding experience coming up with solutions. And I don't feel that coming up with these solutions is somehow going to stymie any efforts to improve the SY-1000. 
Squier Contemporary Starcaster with GK Kit, Squier Classic Vibe Telecaster Deluxe with external GK-3, Roland GI-20, Boss SY-1000 Guitar Synthesizer

Brak(E)man

I only have 3 problems after the 1.06 update.

The alt tune warbles , gr300 gnarles , the fixed instrument blocks with no possibility to add an fx in between.
I can live with the last and the gr300 gnarles.

Adding stuff to a guitar to make it less of a guitar, I decided against in the late 80ths, when playing midi guitar.
I don't think it's in the interest of " guitar synth and modeling " or playing.

My guitars are well setup by my luthier and myself and they work with the alt tune on the VGs
I used that a lot with Fernandes sustainer for guitar/instrument pads , I had to abandon that path with GP-10 and SY.

I don't think it's too much to ask to have the warbles fixed.
If it hadn't worked before it'd be a different situation.
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

aliensporebomb

Brak(e)man - can you start a thread talking about your wild fusion music?   Some of those "warbles" in the example you posted actually worked for the music like a whammy pedal on steroids! 
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

Matteo Barducci

Quote from: Bluesbird on November 08, 2021, 01:35:46 PMI noticed that the SY-1000 was extremely sensitive to the type of hex pickup, its position from bridge and height to strings.

IMHO, these thing work well with only one guitar: the official Roland (aka Roland Ready) Strat
--

---> Matteo Barducci

Brak(E)man

swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

gumtown

Quote from: Brak(E)man on November 09, 2022, 12:19:22 AMSy-1000 soundhold block bug ?
Has anyone been able to confirm?

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=27853.0#new

Something I shall check out when I return homeward, working far away for a while, so have gear separation anxiety  ;D
Have to return home for two gigs next weekend, so the week after, the SY-1000 shall travel away with me.
Currently have the Boss BR-80 micro + headphones with my 6 string bass travelling with me.
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beatpete

Quote from: jozart on August 29, 2020, 11:45:11 AMActive Range is ignored in EXP pedal assignments in TOGGLE mode:

Target: FX1 ON/OFF
Min: OFF
Max: ON
Source: EXP1
Mode: TOGGLE
Act Low: 126
Act Hi: 127

Expected: Trigger at toe down
Actual: Trigger at midway (50)

Discussion: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=29116.0

Still not fixed!