Is WIRELESS GK3 PICKUP possible?

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Quote from: adamlee011 on November 16, 2020, 01:41:56 AM
The Fishman hex pup uses Bluetooth. Does it send only midi? Would bt be a possibility?

Not for a GK3 pickup. The GK3 transmits 6 individual analog signals, which are converted to midi inside the synth.
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#151
Quote from: adamlee011 on November 16, 2020, 01:41:56 AM
The Fishman hex pup uses Bluetooth. Does it send only midi? Would bt be a possibility?

Fishman Tripleplay does NOT use Bluetooth

It uses a proprietary 2.4GHz wireless protocol-its why its supplied with a proprietary USB Wireless receiver -which provides MIDI OUTPUT to the Host Computer

BluCoE

#152
Hello everybody,

I developed a prototype for a GK Wireless system. I posted some demo video's on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvlO4GNIUG0&list=PLpiEQqD2GQorRBHNEjf4v2WtOR8nCbdwm

If everything goes as expected I will commercialize it in the coming months. If there is enough interest in the product?
Please let me know what you think about it. Thanks!

Regards,
Rico

https://www.blucoe.eu/faq/

Here are some more clarification video's




gumtown

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

cags12

#154
I was literally starting my research to offer a wireless solution using the WiSA chips. Great you beat me to it :).
Albeit it would have been a monumental task to me.

Is this solution using WiSA too? Can you give more details about the wireless technology being used?

adamlee011

Quote from: BluCoE on February 18, 2021, 01:01:47 PM
Hello everybody,

I developed a prototype for a GK Wireless system. I posted some demo video's on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvlO4GNIUG0&list=PLpiEQqD2GQorRBHNEjf4v2WtOR8nCbdwm

If everything goes as expected I will commercialize it in the coming months. If there is enough interest in the product?
Please let me know what you think about it. Thanks!

Regards,
Rico
that's amazing. Is the latency the video, the gr, or the wireless?

CodeSmart

#156
Many gelukwensen BluCoE!
Great work! I'll buy one.

Homepage says default latency 18ms corresponding to 6m/19ft air distance from an amp. Sampling rate 48kHz.
But I got more gear than I need...and I like it!

adamlee011

Quote from:  Bluesbird on February 18, 2021, 03:03:13 PM
So adding in the GR55 latency you would be at 35 (high e) to 50 feet (low E) from your amplifier.  Ouch.

Yea. That's what I was thinking. I would like to see how it does with a vg or the like.

adamlee011

Still, this is a pretty big step for wireless gk, right? This thread has been dead forever.

aliensporebomb

The package looks like a fully realized product rather than a garage shoppe experience.

I could see this working well with VG best not necessarily synth.  Really intriguing. 

If the player is using a wireless for his regular guitar signal why not a special GK wireless to go with it?

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#161
Quote from: BluCoE on February 18, 2021, 01:01:47 PM
Hello everybody,

I developed a prototype for a GK Wireless system. I posted some demo video's on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvlO4GNIUG0&list=PLpiEQqD2GQorRBHNEjf4v2WtOR8nCbdwm

If everything goes as expected I will commercialize it in the coming months. If there is enough interest in the product?
Please let me know what you think about it. Thanks!

Regards,
Rico

Here are some more clarification video's





https://www.blucoe.eu/gkws/

https://www.blucoe.eu/cannot-wait-buy-a-prototype/

BluCoE

#162
There is a trade-off between latency and link robustness (cq range). Currently the latency is set to about 15ms - 18ms. I am still trying to strengthen the RF signal so that I can go a bit lower with the latency, but there will always be latency.

There is also latency on the GR55, but that depends on the selected patch. Some patches have high latency and some low. The total latency will be the sum of the wireless and the patch.

What is acceptable latency is a personal decision. Some people claim to start noticing at 1ms, some at 20ms or higher. For me personally at 18ms, I don't notice any latency difference against the cable. You must decide for yourself what is acceptable. You can experiment by moving away from your guitar amplifier. Each foot is 1ms, or each meter is 3ms.

I saw a nice video on YouTube about latency perception.


As an alternative setup you can use a plain guitar wireless system for normal guitar and the GK wireless for your synth/modeler. I measured the Sure GLXD16 to only have 5ms latency. For the GR55 you have higher latency in any case, also with the DIN cable.

I will make some latency measurements for a number of GR55 patches to visualize what the actual total latency is and post them later.

cags12

Looking forward to try this out.

The reason I was starting to look at the WiSA chips was because they operate at 2.6ms latency. The delay is fixed – it is not impacted by RF interference, distance between transmitter and receivers, or  number of audio channels.

https://www.summitwireless.com/summit-pro-wisa/

May I ask if you could share a bit more info on the Wireless technology, what frequency is it operating? proprietary standard?

BluCoE

Quote from: cags12 on February 19, 2021, 03:45:53 AM
Looking forward to try this out.

The reason I was starting to look at the WiSA chips was because they operate at 2.6ms latency. The delay is fixed – it is not impacted by RF interference, distance between transmitter and receivers, or  number of audio channels.

https://www.summitwireless.com/summit-pro-wisa/

May I ask if you could share a bit more info on the Wireless technology, what frequency is it operating? proprietary standard?

I didn't know the WISA chips, but it seems interesting and will read up on it. My design is based on the CC8530 chip from Texas Instruments. It uses the 2.4GHz ISM band and provides RF proprietary channel hopping for robustness. But if you read my website (in progress), you can get more info. https://www.blucoe.eu/faq/
Or look up the datasheet. https://www.ti.com/product/CC8530

BROCKSTAR

Everything is possible if people put time in it :D Smart people anyway (not me) lol... Excited to see how that wireless gk thing goes. I'd love to be wireless even if i just sit in front of my desk, just like the feel of freedom of moving without a hanging cable.

adamlee011

Quote from: BluCoE on February 19, 2021, 04:13:46 AM

Great details, thanks. I use vg99 and 88 which is why I asked. Latency isn't part of my vocabulary. Even though I've been a Roland guitar guy forever, I've never had a gr or played with midi much.

sixeight

Excellent work. I am definitely interested.

kevorkian

This looks really great. I'm also very interested.

Mikko127

Very interested in this product. Please put into production ASAP.

whippinpost91850

I contacted them earlier today.  Looks like will be available in Europe soon, but US sounded a little iffy or far off. I would really like this

thebrushwithin

Maybe they would be interested in a bulk, group buy sort of thing.

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CodeSmart

#173
"They" are probably one guy and he's scared about FCC regulations. From what I have understod it is YOU as importers that are doing something "illegal" when you buy something from abroad that does not have the FC stamp on it.

What BluCoE has to realize is that he will find most of his sales within US at least when promoting on this forum.

Of 100 sold units, 70-75 will go to the US, 5 to AUS/NZ, 1 to Asia and the rest to Europe. Something in that ballpark. Numbers by own experience.
But I got more gear than I need...and I like it!

BluCoE

The USA is definitely the next region on my wish list, but I am a startup company and it is another big investment to pay a notified body for FCC certification. So the plan is to use the money from EU sales for certifications in other regions. It will take some time but it is coming. Thanks.