Dawn of a New Technology: Audio Holograms and the EHX Mel9

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Elantric

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Go to 8:10 minute mark


Korla says:
"Music sound is the most powerful force in the universe!"

Which he is a perfect example of the concept of "Flow" by  Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi
QuoteRepression is not the way to virtue. When people restrain themselves out of fear, their lives are by necessity diminished. Only through freely chosen discipline can life be enjoyed and still kept within the bounds of reason.

QuoteRhcole are you serious????
That is fantastic. This guys story is worthy of a movie.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-seen-on/New-Documentary-Reveals-the-Strange-Life-of-Korla-Pandit_Bay-Area-323169641.html


http://www.mixedracestudies.org/?tag=korla-pandit
On this episode of BackStory, the Guys will consider how and why Americans throughout the centuries have crossed the lines of racial identity, and find out what the history of passing has to say about race, identity, and privilege in America. We'll look at stories of African-Americans who passed as white to escape slavery or Jim Crow and find out how the "one-drop rule" enabled one blonde-haired, blue-eyed American to live a double life without ever arousing suspicion. We'll also explore the story of an African-American musician [Korla Pandit] who pioneered a genre of exotic music with a bejeweled turban and an invented biography, and examine the hidden costs of crossing over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korla_Pandit
Korla Pandit died in Petaluma, California of a myocardial infarction. Two years following his death, it was revealed in an article by Los Angeles magazine editor R. J. Smith that Pandit was actually an African-American who had been born in the United States

Go to the 52:00 minute mark for the story of Korla Pandit
https://soundcloud.com/backstory/color-lines-racial-passing-in-america#t=52:00





http://www.korlathemovie.com/

Bill Ruppert

ANYTHING is possible.
Watch this!

Rhcole

OK, since this thread has been at least somewhat upstaged by Korla Pandit...

I knew Korla for nearly 20 years. I never saw him without his turban off once. I asked his son Shari if he EVER took it off, and he said sure, but that he put it on first thing in the morning and took it off before he went to bed. Korla stayed in character ALWAYS and never let the mask slip at all. I had a friend from India once ask him about his background and Korla chatted merrily away with her about India and his family from there.

Korla even met Yogananda when he was in the U.S. and Yogananda came to his house. At the time, Korla was famous so it was a big event. Shari told me that he remembered meeting Yogananda when he was a small boy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramahansa_Yogananda

Korla was always pretty reserved and polite, but Shari was a scream. They are both gone but I guarantee you that Shari and I would collapse laughing about the story right now if given a chance.

Play on, brothers!

Now_And_Then

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on April 06, 2016, 08:26:03 AM
I want that guitar!!!
It looks like the girls are waiting for the next act!

I don't really follow guitar prices, but that guitar, being a 1963 (or earlier) Gibson ES-335, and if factory-correct (or restorable to factory-correct condition), could easily go for $20,000, wouldn't you think?
As for the girls, well, the girl in the middle of the picture at 1:13 isn't waiting for next act at all.

Elantric

#54
QuoteI don't really follow guitar prices, but that guitar, being a 1963 (or earlier) Gibson ES-335, and if factory-correct (or restorable to factory-correct condition), could easily go for $20,000, wouldn't you think?
$21,000
https://reverb.com/item/1807356-gibson-es-335-1963-sunburst-serial-104925-original-case?_aid=pla&pla=1&gclid=CKH6q6Xq_MsCFQ5qfgodD0oBCg

One thing is for sure, (compared to the difficult to program Boss SY-300), the "point and shoot" logical controls on the EHX "9" series of boxes that Bill has co-designed do exhibit a much higher level of the principle of "Flow".




If I was a hired gun studio musician and got a call to record Electric Pianos, B3 Organs, Mellotrons,  - Id rather have the EHX gear in my arsenal , so I could concentrate on my musical performance, and avoid twiddling knobs and wasting time in the studio, and avoid a public display of Tourette syndrome towards my gear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourette_syndrome


Based on the work of Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi
the principle of Flow states that all digital instruments should assist their users in achieving a state of creative Flow where logical, left-brain thinking is limited to the bare essentials and creative, right-brain thinking abounds.


More here

Project BBQ - Audio Think Tank - Designing Musical Instruments for Flow
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=493.msg126994;topicseen#msg126994

Are Little Boxes Slowly Eroding the VG Empire?
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13028.0

chrish

I remember a line from a movie that shawn penn spoke. 'the flow doesn't care'.  It is true that programing a synth like a sy300 takes time, effort and lots of the brain hurt that is required for learning (old neuron connections and associations are reforming). However the satisfaction of creating  the sound you want to achieve is a reward worth the effort.

The sound creation sessions for me occur at a different time then when creating the music, however they are both creative processes.

At the very least, it seems that a pedal should allow for basic fx adjustment like control over how much vibrato is applied to the sound.

The beauty of guitar is that the player already has the ability to  apply that vibrato technique to the string , and that is where the sy-300 shines through in translating that technique and modulating the sound.

But it's apples and oranges to compare it to the mel9.

My sampler can play mellotron samples, but they too have fixed vibrato because that's what's on the mellotron tape loops. So i guess it's not fair to fault the mel9 for trying to emulate the fixed sound of those tape loops.

I'd sure like to demo the mel9 and send it's sound to the sy300 where the fixed vibrato may be a benefit to modulate the sy osc. 

Is the mel9 the holy grail and the dawn of a new age? I doubt it. And besides ExH already has the holy grail in it's pedal line up. ;)

They are all just tools to create sound waves and have lot's of fun with.

Rhcole

The Mel9 is a great add-on to the SY-300. Give it a try.

Now_And_Then


Rhcole

Yah, watched it before.

I still think the Mel9 is a point of demarcation; the fact that the pedal doesn't want to pay attention to pedals in front of it other than octave, compression, boost indicates a new form of sampling or wave overlay technology. If you play a wah through it for example it sounds exactly the same or it mistracks. A giveaway is the Choir sound which clings to its characteristic sound until it finally shreds through mistracking when you place pedals in front of it. The pedals featured in this video themselves respond to other mod sources; the Mel9 doesn't. I have had a great deal of fun testing this, it doesn't like other pedals in front of it and tries to pretend they aren't their unless they are pitch or amplitude based.

In the Mel9 video Bill says it isn't sampling, and that's a true statement, in the sense that sampling implies a chain of existing technologies working together in a certain way. A "sample player" would likely be much less popular than the Mel9 will be and incorrectly named. The Mel9 isn't like that... it's different.

The Miku stomp remains the closest product on the market to the Mel9, I think they are based on the same premise. I think EHX has greatly improved tracking and latency and made it work polyphonically.


chrish

I'm thinking that the mel9 is doing it's thing via Harmonic Restructure Modeling, ye ole HRM.

Smash

I'm ready to buy into the XX9 type pedal as at the moment I'm only using midi for a smooth synth pad or strings.

If there's no chance of a Super #9 with memories and stuff then it's be great if there was a Blank #9 that you could download the specific tones you wanted into one the 9 slots available on the stock pedal. Charge for each tone download.

I know it would make the "format" / technique potentially vunerable as people hacked the download files but...

carlb

Hey, no reason not to join the two themes in this thread: We now have the technology for a guitar mash-up Korla's and Dick's Miserlou!

Starts with an EHX organ-sim (perhaps the "Telstar" patch) for Korla's adagio Miserlou, fermata, then into Dick's power-surf Miserlou.

I think we need Steve or Rob to cut an mp3 of this ...
ES Les Paul, internal Roland GK
Boss SY-1000, Valeton Coral Amp pedal
Morningstar MC8 & MC6
QSC CP8 powered speaker

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Quote from: Elantric on April 06, 2016, 08:27:36 PM
Go to 8:10 minute mark


Korla says:
"Music sound is the most powerful force in the universe!"

Which he is a perfect example of the concept of "Flow" by  Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mihaly_Csikszentmihalyi
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/on-air/as-seen-on/New-Documentary-Reveals-the-Strange-Life-of-Korla-Pandit_Bay-Area-323169641.html


http://www.mixedracestudies.org/?tag=korla-pandit
On this episode of BackStory, the Guys will consider how and why Americans throughout the centuries have crossed the lines of racial identity, and find out what the history of passing has to say about race, identity, and privilege in America. We'll look at stories of African-Americans who passed as white to escape slavery or Jim Crow and find out how the "one-drop rule" enabled one blonde-haired, blue-eyed American to live a double life without ever arousing suspicion. We'll also explore the story of an African-American musician [Korla Pandit] who pioneered a genre of exotic music with a bejeweled turban and an invented biography, and examine the hidden costs of crossing over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korla_Pandit
Korla Pandit died in Petaluma, California of a myocardial infarction. Two years following his death, it was revealed in an article by Los Angeles magazine editor R. J. Smith that Pandit was actually an African-American who had been born in the United States

Go to the 52:00 minute mark for the story of Korla Pandit
https://soundcloud.com/backstory/color-lines-racial-passing-in-america#t=52:00





http://www.korlathemovie.com/