GR-33- GrapeLight GR-33 Editor/Librarian

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admin

here is a link to the "GrapeLight" = the GR-33 Patch Librarian
http://www.ludgerhesse.com/index_htm_files/GrapeLight.exe

Elantric

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GR-33 Tracking Tips
http://www.macminer.opoka.org.pl/gr33/tracking.html

GR-33 "tracking" tips
Some tracking questions.

Based on my experience and some knowledge gained through theory, as well as from various discussion groups, here are a few tips for people concerned about GR-33 (and similar equipment) tracking.

The single most important piece of advice is: play clean! No matter how good the equipment, if you play notes that are impossible to tell apart, badly articulated, they won't sound good through any synthesiser. If you are into grungy, dirty type of sound, you'd better stay away from MIDI and synthesisers altogether. Obviously, you can play cleanly and add any amount of grunge later, that's OK. But if you start with indistinguishable harmonic mess, you'll end up with nothing.
I have found that the best synth guitar players are those who can either play classical guitar or finger-picked jazz or acoustic guitar. This is obviously due to the fact that such players are used to controlling both the articulation (the "finger-on" part of the sound) and the duration, i.e. they don't leave sounds "on air" any longer than it is necessary.
In fact, this tip applies to any guitar-synth equipment. It worked for me also with Casio guitar synthesisers (far worse at tracking than GR33 + GK2).
The second tip might be a bit costly, but it's often a change from hopeless to brilliant tracking: buy a GODIN guitar, especially the ACS series. It has a pickup of a special type (RMC), built into the bridge. This pickup doesn't pick any non-musical noises, resonating sounds from the guitar body or other strings. If you don't like or can't afford Godin, you can buy a Poly-Drive RMC pickup and fix it to your favourite guitar.
Buy good strings and adjust them. Good strings are not necessarily the best-sounding strings. What guitar players call "rich" or "good" sound is usually the thing that will ruin tracking. "Rich sound" means lots of harmonics. Lots of harmonics means much more work for the synth! It has to analyse the sound and find the base tone. The more harmonics and the more complex ones, the more difficult it becomes for the synth to get things straight. Basically, the more round a string is, the cleaner the sound.
String adjustment is a bit complex task:
Start with a good vertical distance from the pickup (you don't need this step with RMC pickups). About 2 mm is probably the most sensible distance, although you might try a bit less or more. Horizontally, the pickup should be placed about 1 to 4 centimeters from the bridge. "Too close" to the bridge would mean there is not much sound to pick. "Too far" would mean the amplitude is too big and the string might touch the pickup.
Find the right setting on your GR33. The next stage is adjusting your GR33. Go into the system settings (Press SYSTEM, Press PARAMETER 3 times), use your manual and make sure that when you play each string, the level gauge shows about 3 bars when you play the weakest sounds and only occasionally touches the "empty square" symbol when you play the loudest ones.
The last adjustment stage is different depending on your playing style. That's why each patch in GR33 has a separate sensitivity setting. You can only change this if you are sure the previous steps worked. This last step can also make a lot of difference, but it won't compensate for a badly mounted pickup, badly adjusted strings or badly adjusted system settings on GR33.
Understanding the patch adjustment requires a bit of imagination: first of all imagine if this patch will be used to play solo (trumpet, distorted guitar, violin etc.) or will be a "backing" patch (clean telecaster, pad, soft brass, strings etc.). A solo patch will usually require a "normal" or "finger" Play Style (Press COMMON, press PARAMETER once). A backing patch might require a "normal", "soft" or "hard" style. With some sounds you may experiment with "envelope" (especially for guitar and e-piano tones). "Accelerated" comes useful only if you really play lightingly fast, but don't use "accelerated" with lower E and A strings, or you'll have tracking problems.
The last setting to possibly change is chromaticism. If you play a solo instrument, you may want chromatic sound (so that you can do all the glissandoes, slurs, bends etc.). If you play a backing patch, you most definitely don't want chromatic sound, so change it to OFF (COMMON, PARAMETER 3 times).
Don't forget to save (or rather in Roland's language: write) the patch after you're done!
That's all, folks!

jodama

#2
Is Grape still available somewhere on the intertubes? There's no download link at sourceforge, and the link here in the forums is dead.

Elantric

#3
GR-33 - GrapeLight Editor is here for all VGuitarForum members

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=30












jodama

Thanks! I'm new here...still finding my way around.

ooo

Quote from:  Elantric on March 01, 2017, 07:00:51 AM
GR-33 - GrapeLight Editor is here for all VGuitarForum members

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=30


Unfortunately the Link to the GrapeLight GR-33 Editor does'nt work

admin

#6
Quote from:  ooo on November 01, 2017, 10:02:30 AM

Unfortunately the Link to the GrapeLight GR-33 Editor does'nt work

All new members are required to make 5 posts to have full access to File downloads,



https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=downfile&id=30


Click on the yellow



ooo

 


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Thanks, but there is the problem. If I click on "GrapeLight.zip" it brings me to login context : "You are not allowed to view the Downloads
Please login below or register an account with VGuitar Forums".


ooo


paulieboot

Quote from:  admsustainiac on November 01, 2017, 02:48:17 PM
Re: GR-33 - GrapeLight Editor download?
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=20267.0;attach=16589

Thanks very much for making this available. Installed ,now just waiting for the GR 33 to arrive. I have a GR S and a GR 20 and previously a GR 30 and GR 50 rack, in the days of the almighty Atari 520ste. best regards Paul

sheepguy

Does anyone know of a Mac equivalent to Grapelight?  I'd rather not have to use a VM but I guess that's an option.

admin


concordal

Quote from:  sheepguy on October 27, 2019, 11:37:42 AM
Does anyone know of a Mac equivalent to Grapelight?  I'd rather not have to use a VM but I guess that's an option.

sheepguy:  No need for a VM.   Grapelight runs nicely in the free WINE emulator on a MAC.  If you're not familiar with WINE see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)


HTIH

Rolloq

Does grapelight  work on windows 10?
Rolloq


gumtown

#16
I just downloaded and ran it directly from the *.zip folder on Windows 10 64 bit, and although I don't have a GR-33 anymore, it does ask for a working midi device adapter.
So I would say YES it does work
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Rolloq

#17
Unfortunately i do not have Windows 10 just bootcamp on a Mac pro early 2008 with Windows 7  and  Grapelight is working great, an another issue  is that my graphic card on that computer has broken down and works for about 15 minutes and then the screen goes bananas and freeze.I have to buy a new or used graphic card. I have a new Mac but maybe it s time to buy a cheap laptop  with Windows 10.
Or wait for windows 11 https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/08/31/windows-11-available-on-october-5/
Thanks for answers
Rolloq

Rolloq

#18
At least now grapelight works with Codeweavers Crossover Wine with Mac os Catalina they seem to have overcome the 32 bits problem with Mac os Catalina which have 64 bits. 8) 
https://www.codeweavers.com/
Rolloq

Elantric


Ayk

Thank you very much. I'm trying to return to creativity. After a long absence