NAMM '11 - Kemper Profiling Amp Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyPgBzqKlUs#ws)
;D YOU WISH YOU HAD THIS! :D
Very cool. Being able to capture any amp is fantastic. Pity it won't capture effects.
This is getting closer to the ideal guitareffect which would have an open structure, where you can upload your own custom effects and share them with others. So far only a laptop with VST's will do that.
Quote from: Elantric
If only it sounded as impressive as the the marketing
Ditto to that.
Sounds like complete rubbish. It ain't gonna be cheap either. Save your money and buy and Axe-FX or even the II. At worst it would be in the same price range and possibly a bit cheaper. Otherwise just stick with your VG.... most likely better amp models, more effects, (insert all other features) A number of experts on the subject have said definitively that what Kemper is doing, modelling wise, has absolutely no chance of capturing an accurate model of a tube amp. Cliff of Fractal Audio tried using this same method when he first started developing the Axe-FX and concluded very early on that it wouldn't work. Not completely ruling out that Kemper hasn't discovered some secret, anything is possible, but I ain't holding my breath. If what you're looking for is non guitar amp sounds, then go for your life. I have no doubt it excels at that.
I had started a new topic but was reminded to check for topics already on the same subject. I think this is a great product concept and its implementation as they are delivered will be very interesting I plan on buying one so i'll do a demo when I get my hands on one.
Try before you buy.
8 months ago when I played thru the Kemper Profiling amplifier at the Winter NAMM show, it was not ready for prime time yet.
Your mileage may vary.
EDIT: At the 2012 Winter NAMM Show Kemper finally demonstrated a good sounding KPA
Spoke to the guys at the Guitar store Southampton yesterday. Axefx and eleven rack users, they are 'very excited' about the demo Kemper amp they have in the store.
Hands on demos of Kemper Amp here:
http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2847247-Had-the-Kemper-Amp-Profiler-in-my-studio-for-a-day-Recorded-a-song. (http://acapella.harmony-central.com/showthread.php?2847247-Had-the-Kemper-Amp-Profiler-in-my-studio-for-a-day-Recorded-a-song.)
Link to sound demo
http://soundcloud.com/temper59/kemper-profiling-amp-foxglove (http://soundcloud.com/temper59/kemper-profiling-amp-foxglove)
Sounds better than it did last year.
Its release is delayed yet again.
Just a heads up,
I'm the new owner of a Kemper Profiling Amp. It's still on the FedEx truck and will not be here until mid next week, but based upon friend recommendations, and various youtube demos - what difference a year makes in their progress with the KPA.
The VG-99 and GR-55 remain unique processors, and my interest in those remains high, but lately I need earthy organic touch responsive tube amp behavior from my live rig, as I branch beyond simply playing 1962 era surf tunes in my new band.
Some heavy rock clips,all direct
Kemper Profiling Amp - Triple Rectifier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnd9lj_ECho#ws)
electric funeral symptoms.wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crrWehpT9jM#)
KPA vs RECTO (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B4cCz6zhBA#ws)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W250Ew1AK8&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W250Ew1AK8&feature=player_embedded#)
This clip sold me
http://youtu.be/Ucd-DsZmy1w (http://youtu.be/Ucd-DsZmy1w)
Nashville Matchless
Here it is:
Nashville Profiling Sessions - Dave Cleveland's Matchless (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ucd-DsZmy1w#ws)
$1850 at Sweetwater. Be cool to find a "Group Buy" somewhere ;)
I'm still trying to find one on demo in Norfolk, I'm gonna prob try and get the black version because i'm a tart. :P
wow! i love how it looks likes its from the future and makes the dimension warp sounds when copying. thats unreal. I'm confused on whats taking place a bit. in some of the vids theres no input only the headphone out being used and in others vice versa (guessing theres a back panel interface I'm not seeing). essentially you would mic an amp but can you use a send or out from the amp to profile it as well? & if so pros/cons to each method? what about pedals before input?- like after you have profiled you then want a chorus or pitch bend or etc, would that alter the tone in a negative way? being pretty clueless as to whats going on, in order to "profile" the kpa would have to have similar gain types and eqs to copy them, if thats how its working ,so would you be able to make tones with only the unit itself like building from an empty patch? I'm also curious about this copying method being done one guitar and then playing that profiled sound played on one with different pups considering it would respond quite differently then two guitars a/b'ed on a normal amp.
gtr out->kpa->vg gtr input -- obvious setup. would the kpa do justice on a full range speaker system?
im shocked he didn't bull on the preamp question as every other company would have, and was very honest to admit you can't eq the actual amp the same way. altho i find that has far greater potential allowing to further tweak an amp in ways in the original cannot.
Very, very impressive demos :o
What a band Electric Funeral, the singer is amazing.
I've been using the compressor-after-amp trick for years, both in VG99 and 100% analog rigs to equal clean and dirty volumes, on the Matchless demo it sounded absolutely beautiful !
I'm sold, here in Europe the price is almost half the AxeFxII...
The Kemper is making me totally irrational. Must... resist...
This thing is cool to be sure. I love the space ship noises during the amp cloning process. The price tag makes my eyes bleed, though.
A good overview of the KPA is here
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/705723-kemper-profiling-amplifier.html (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/reviews/705723-kemper-profiling-amplifier.html)
Re Group Buy - contact our Group Buy Dealer for best price (PM me for info)
@monty, the price does give pause, especially when I consider that there will inevitably be an improved version available in a year or two.
Still, possibly the most desirable piece of equipment I've seen in years.
This is a cool peice of tech but I would rather have a Masa Boogie Mark V with a good rack effect in the loop if I was to go back to lugging around a big amp again.
Quote from: Jim Williams on March 26, 2012, 10:59:44 AM
This is a cool peice of tech but I would rather have a Masa Boogie Mark V with a good rack effect in the loop if I was to go back to lugging around a big amp again.
Hard to argue with a Mark V, but the "lugging a big amp" argument is n/a. The Kemper itself weighs about 10lbs. (Although you'll still need powered speakers of some sort, if I understand correctly.)
The beauty of this (if it's all it's cracked up to be) is it's an alternative to lugging around
dozens of big amps. That's been the promise of modeling since day 1, of course, but this is alledgedly a major step forward fidelity-wise.
To me the beauty is recording a direct signal that is indistinguishable from a mic-ed up amp.
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on March 26, 2012, 11:13:44 AM
To me the beauty is recording direct signal that is indistinguishable from a mid-ed up amp.
You see, I read something like this and it makes me totally irrational. Be still my beating MasterCard LOL.
Quote$1850 at Sweetwater. Be cool to find a "Group Buy" somewhere
Just have to do what most pro's do -
Instead of clicking "buy it now" - just pick up the phone and negotiate your own best deal from a Kemper dealer.
Luckily my favorite place to do business sells these too.
Incindentally, I just showed a pic of the Kemper to a drummer friend (because I'm obsessed now) and he said, "Oh man that thing looks like a f***ing dishwasher!" I can't stop laughing... although I'd have gone with "washing machine" myself.
It's especially funny because just last week he was showing me a refrigerator that looks like a half-stack:
(http://technabob.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/marshall_amp_fridge.jpg)
Between the two, you'd have the wildest kitchen ever.
I think it looks like a cross between a 1952 Telefunken signal generator and a Grundig radio.
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/apr12/images/KPA_01.jpg)
I totally dig the looks, the ergonomics, every knob I need is instantly accessible at the gig, and no need for a GUI editor and lugging a laptop just to change a speaker cab profile, and the original color is easy to read the controls on a dimly lit stage.
There is a blank space in the rear where a mono power amp section will go. (shown at MuscMesse last week).
(http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/apr12/images/KPA_02.jpg)
Namba / Kemper Gig bag is available too:
(http://www.sweetwater.com/images/items/1800/ProfilingAmpBag-xlarge.jpg)
But even though the firmware is still a work in progress, if you follow the Kemper forums and make a list of the known bugs to avoid and work-arounds - there is enough here for me to get very excited about with much anticipation for Wednesday when my KPA arrives from back east.
FWIW - its 14 3/4" x 6 1/2" x 8 1/2" (192mm x 250mm x 112mm)
Don't get me wrong, I love the looks, too, and was thinking more along the lines of a 50's era oscilloscope or strobotuner or something.
It may not be the most portable device in the world, but it looks like a very "hands-on" UI, which is refreshing these days.
I smell a serious case of "gas" floating around here ;D
Looking for some glue to seal my wallet shut.
The Kemper is hands down the coolest looking of gear I have ever owned.
It reminds me of old Ham radio gear.
And I'm an old Ham! W9WCR
(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss316/baranger1/salmow1.jpg)
(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss316/baranger1/K3KRF.jpg)
(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss316/baranger1/GonsetC6.jpg)
(http://i587.photobucket.com/albums/ss316/baranger1/Apache_cropped_small.jpg)
Very cool Bill!
I dig that old Heathkit gear
My granddad was WB6LMH based in San Gabriel, CA and had QSL cards from all over the globe
I see a logo resemblance too
(http://www.sonicftp.com/news/images/kemper_logo.jpg)
(http://www.arrl.org/images/view/News/ARRL%20logo%20type_15.jpg)
CQ CQ, my pop was N7BIW for 3 or 4 decades. I forgot my own call. Yeah I thought that logo and the foreground radiation looked familiar. AARP? NO. CCCP? NO. Anyway, I'm drooling! Very serious 50s sci-fi retro vibe with awesome tones. Thanks for sharing!
Love that fridge too!
QuoteThere is a blank space in the rear where a mono power amp section will go. (shown at MuscMesse last week).
Out of curiosity, what are you (and Bill) using to monitor the Kemper right now?
I understand Bill is using a pair of Genelec 1101A's in his home studio. He spends most of his time in Chicago recording studios with a direct feed to their board/protools/studio monitors.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2239.msg12817#msg12817 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2239.msg12817#msg12817)
Most folks these days seem to like a pair of QSC K12 for on stage monitors. Thats what Dweezil Zappa was using when I saw him a couple months ago.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5326.msg36446#msg36446 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5326.msg36446#msg36446)
Quote from: Elantric on March 27, 2012, 09:03:03 AM
Most folks these days seem to like a pair of QSC K12 for on stage monitors.
Yeah, I've been eying these, along with the KW122. The JBL PRX looks like a considerable bang for the buck as well, and it's a bit lighter. And I'm reading good things about Meyer Sound and Turbosound. Meyer Sound is presumably out of my price range, but this Turbosound falls in line with the QSC stuff: http://www.amazon.com/Turbosound-Milan-Powered-Loudspeaker-Speaker/dp/B003E237YC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332880954&sr=8-1 (http://www.amazon.com/Turbosound-Milan-Powered-Loudspeaker-Speaker/dp/B003E237YC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1332880954&sr=8-1)
P.S. Just bumped into the Yamaha DSR. It's reviewing favorably vs. the PRX, and I generally like the sound of Yamaha products, so that's a serious contender.
Im also hearing good things about the EV ELX112P
http://www.electrovoice.com/product.php?id=1066 (http://www.electrovoice.com/product.php?id=1066)
EV ELX112P vs JBL PRX612M vs QSC K12 - Which one is better? | agiprodj.com (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XLuyfOnEUU#ws)
Nice price too at $479 ea here:
http://www.proaudiostar.com/ev-sale?gclid=CKXyuYf_h68CFSMHRQod7zeY-Q (http://www.proaudiostar.com/ev-sale?gclid=CKXyuYf_h68CFSMHRQod7zeY-Q)
Quote from: Elantric on March 27, 2012, 02:09:57 PM
Im also hearing good things about the EV ELX112P
...
Nice price too at $479 ea here:
Oh, cool. I've always been a big EV fan, as well. That $479 price looks like a moving target though; may have been a blem. They've got an open box for $499 now, and the new ones are $599. (Or, for the exact same price, the very same speaker plus stand and cable??) A bargain either way.
P.S. Just finished the video - really great overview. Would have loved if the Yamaha had been included. Right now the EV looks very nearly like a lock, so thanks very much for the heads up. I'm quite tempted by the JBL just because of it's light weight (always a big plus IMO) but the EV wins out on price and features. (The Yamaha is a little more expensive than I originally thought - I'd been looking at the price on a restocked unit.)
P.P.S. zZounds is still listing a B-stock ELX112p at $479.
I was a mouse click away from pulling the trigger on the ELX, but once you start looking at EV it's like opening Pandora's box... sxa360... zx5... and lots of opinions indicating that the ELX doesn't keep up with other (admittedly more expensive) EV products.
Never easy buying gear without listening...
Scratch that. Bought it. Just can't argue with the price.
Please post a review of the EV ELX!
I just got my Kemper
Damn -
This KPA (Kemper Profiling Amp) is WONDERFUL!
I've decided to play with it for a day or two before I update the
firmware - just to become familiar with it.
Mine still has the Dec 2011 firmware #6895
Quick take -
This is the first guitar amp modeller where I finally have surgical
controls over the amp dynamic range, compression, adjustable clean to
slightly breakup to full crunch, or anything in between.
Other DSP Tube Amp modelers seem like using a hammer, and have no life.
Using the KPA on headphones after three hours, I feel like I'm using $50K worth of boutique tube amps, with the best mics at a session at Abbey road with Alan Parsons or Geoff Emerick or Hugh Padgham providing me my tracking feed.
There is simply no comparison - After playing my KPA, my Roland and Line 6 gear all feel like a 1990 Zoom 9002
(https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQRUsEJRiyKtt-xed8FajhGbDMkWHIkz0iAz_OS1Ow6JIV38CQQ)
The KPA is a keeper, and many of my other gear may be going on ebay a
lot sooner!
Thanks to my friends (Bill Ruppert) for letting me be part of the journey!
QuoteUsing the KPA on headphones after three hours, I feel like I'm using $50K worth of boutique tube amps, with the best mics at a session at Abbey road with Alan Parsons or Geoff Emerick or Hugh Padgham providing me my tracking feed.
Gaaah! Stop! I haven't even told my wife I bought the ELX yet! ;)
Will post a "review" of the ELX but it will probably just boil down to "I'm happy" or "I'm not, quite", since I don't have many comparable products to compare it with.
Elantric, just before you sell your VG-99.... ;)
What about selecting a nylon guitar patch in VG-99, feeding the input of the KPA with the guitar output of the VG-99 and make a profile of a pretending electric-to-nylon amp ? Wouldn't be interesting ?
The KPA profiling seems to be focused on Amps, and distortion stomp boxes.
Its not a guitar modeler, but a few KPA owners have profiled acoustic guitar bodies , which could be loaded in the Cab Sim slot, to act as a EQ
But - I will sell lots of other gear - EXCEPT my VG-8, VG-88, VG-99, GR-30, GR-55 - Those units excel at doing unique non guitar things.
But for bread and butter Guitar recording with an exceptional Pro sound and micro-precision control of EQ and dynamics, - Wonderful guitar Tones come very easy with the KPA - without the need to compromise.
It helps if you have 40 years experience recording guitars (like I do), so I have a slight regret that tools of such high caliber as the KPA have arrived so late in life for me.
IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR "HOLY GRAIL OF TONE". YOU'RE ANALYSYS ALONG WITH BILLS ,MAKE ME WANT ONE EVEN MORE :P.... I MAY HAVE TO BREAK DOWN AND TAKE THE PLUNGE. I HAVE TRIED TO GET AWAY FROM USING MY TUBE STUFF , BUT THE MODELING IN THE GR55 AND MY ELEVEN RACK, JUST DOESN'T QUITE DO IT. I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO CLONE EVEN THE #4 CHANNEL IN MY EGNATER IE4 PREAMP.
The Kemper Profile exchange has a few Egnators already profiled.
The Kemper has only been available in the USA for 4 months, and already the Kemper Profile Exchange has 100's of amps profiled. Each file is only 4k - store all profiles on a small USB thumb drive, or email them to friends.
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html)
Load them into the KPA with a USB stick in the rear USB host port.
I might make better use of the big hole in the rear of the KPA power amp to design my own Fender Tube spring Reverb tank clone and install that in the rear of the KPA.
To really nail those early 1963 Surf tones, I must run Guitar > Tube Reverb > Guitar Amp - in that order.
Thanks, It's cool to know there are allready some Egnaters,Bruce is a friend of mine and he has tweaked my IE4 a little to suit my taste.
Yeah, that is the only way to truly get the "Surf Tone". I used a Mosrite and a 335 through a Tube fender reverb and a Baseman W/ 2-12 cab ,back in 63 when I was only 13....I had to work 2 paper routes and scrimp and save to get that stuff back then ;D
Ordered my KPA today. The GAS pains where just too much... ;D
bd
sorry if I contributed to the hole in your bank account!
The KPA works extremely well for my needs, but each individual must evaluate the suitability of this piece of gear for your own needs.
I've decided to buy one if and only if I manage to sell $1850 worth of gear next month. Possible but not likely. So if I'm meant to have one...
I'm reminiscent of 1990's, and using a WinClone Intel 386 PC a bit too long past its prime, and then borrowing a friends new hyper fast Pentium based PC.
I could never go back to working on my old PC, and had swap out the motherboard for the latest generation to maintain my sanity.
So word to the wise - if you are cash strapped and simply could never afford a Kemper - then I advise do not go near it - it may spoil you!
Wait 18 months for the next generation Kemper to come out and then buy a gently used 1st generation Kemper - but this tool seems like it may hold its value a whole lot longer than any other DSP based guitar Amp processor I know of.
But if you value your time, and have the funds available - the Kemper is a fantastic tool to accomplish your musical expression both live and in the studio. Its that good.
I allways do this type of math every time nice gear crosses my way:
1850 / 365 = 5 dollars a day, if you were to use it for a year only
I spend more in tobacco or coffes....
QuoteI allways do this type of math every time nice gear crosses my way:
1850 / 365 = 5 dollars a day, if you were to use it for a year only
I spend more in tobacco or coffes....
I like the way you think Charles!
But it was a shame my two ex wives could not grasp this concept . . . but I dont want to go there!
THAT is why they are EX!
Yes Steve is right I use a pair of Genelec 1101A's.
I love them.
I also still LOVE my VG-99 and will never sell that.
VG-99 into the Kemper is great.
In fact you could use The VG-99 A side for the guitar modeling and tuning.
Sent that to the Kemper and at the same time use the VG-99 B channel for effects using the Kemper effects loop....
Quote from: mbenigni on March 27, 2012, 08:50:07 AM
Out of curiosity, what are you (and Bill) using to monitor the Kemper right now?
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on March 28, 2012, 03:23:06 PM
In fact you could use The VG-99 A side for the guitar modeling and tuning.
Sent that to the Kemper and at the same time use the VG-99 B channel for effects using the Kemper effects loop....
Clever routing.... best of both worlds
You can now buy the black KPA from their online store but TBH I really like the white..
How do you choose? We need skin options, I mean it can't be THAT hard to pull off all the knobs and paste on your own skin. LoL
(http://kemper-amps.com/_media/shopimages/Icon-Shop-KPA1B-Detail-2.png)
All this Kemper talk has me wanting one. The idea of if I want a new amplifier sound just downloading a file or sampling an amp I have access to just seems crazy.
But more importantly I need to start planning the follow-up to my album that's out on itunes. Though the sounds are good and I only recorded part of it with the VG-99 I know that I can do better yet with more variation and something like this would be nice for that.
If it's this much farther beyond 2nd and 3rd generation modeling gear then it must be very great indeed. I definetely need to check it out for sure.
Quote from: A to the T on March 28, 2012, 08:32:45 PM
You can now buy the black KPA
Luke, I am your father.Luke, I am your dishwasher. ;)
(Drummer now says, "I bet that thing will try and smother you in your sleep. Don't buy it.")
Quote from: Charles5150 on March 28, 2012, 02:15:36 PM
1850 / 365 = 5 dollars a day, if you were to use it for a year only
Yeah, it's really not crazy expensive when you consider that it's cutting edge and a bit of a niche product. I can definitely afford one, it's more a matter of whether I can justify it. I'm not exactly on a world tour right now... ::)
A big draw is the curiosity factor. I've been into modeling for so many years, I just want to hear what's possible now. If I had a day alone with the thing, I could probably get it out of my system without actually having to own one. Maybe...
http://youtu.be/w3Bx30u4UTw (http://youtu.be/w3Bx30u4UTw)
I must say the Profiles shared by the Kemper Community already blow away the factory patches heard there on the Sweetwater demo above.
Stop it! Just stop the madness or I will end up divorced!
Its best to shut the computer down now and go play guitar and get your mind off the KPA!
Anyone tried using the GR55 as a guitar modeler/FX/midi controller for the KPA? That way, we'd have a 13 pin system with PCM sounds, guitar modelling, alt tuning, a floorboard AND killer tube amp goodness. Am I just dreaming?
bd
EV ELX112p showed up last night. (Fast!) Initial impressions are positive. I'll start another thread to review/ discuss a little later today.
$1850 is street price.
Ask around you can get a better price....
First impression on the Kemper is very favorable. The amp sounds are very dynamic with waaaay more depth and feel than Roland or Line6 IMHO.
l connected the GR-55 guitar out to the KPA input and tested some modeled Tele, LP sounds and alternate tuning...works great! Next step is to get the midi PC on the GR-55 to change patches on the KPA when I have the time.
I wish the KPA had separate eq on the 1/4" stereo and XLR outs so I can normalize my stereo FRFR amp and FOH feed. Parametric eq would be even better. I suspect the two share the same audio circuit. There's a nice cavity in the back to house an external mini eq if needed.
bd
Arrrgh! FFS this is not what you should be telling me... Damn little boxes of sunshine and kittens tempting me with their promises and lies...... wibble............jibber......etc..... ;D
There is a separate 4 band EQ for both the monitor out and master out....
Quote from: musicman65 on April 01, 2012, 09:20:07 PM
First impression on the Kemper is very favorable. The amp sounds are very dynamic with waaaay more depth and feel than Roland or Line6 IMHO.
l connected the GR-55 guitar out to the KPA input and tested some modeled Tele, LP sounds and alternate tuning...works great! Next step is to get the midi PC on the GR-55 to change patches on the KPA when I have the time.
I wish the KPA had separate eq on the 1/4" stereo and XLR outs so I can normalize my stereo FRFR amp and FOH feed. Parametric eq would be even better. I suspect the two share the same audio circuit. There's a nice cavity in the back to house an external mini eq if needed.
bd
Couldn't take it anymore. Ordered one....
Another one bites the dust!:-)
Have fun!
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on April 02, 2012, 03:20:14 PM
Another one bites the dust!:-)
Have fun!
"Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the KPAs rip
To the sound of the beat
[Chorus]
Another one bites the dust"One coming my way tomorrow!
I have been following the KPA since Kemper's first announcement,
and now that I have confirmation that it delivers in spades,
I have no choice but to "Bite some dust".
Of course, charles5150's
Quote"1850 / 365 = 5 dollars a day, if you were to use it for a year only"
had nothing to do with this ::)
Here is a boatload of profiles and cabs for you new Kemper guys.
The stock ones were not my fav...but many here are great.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55333568/23.03.2012.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/55333568/23.03.2012.zip)
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on April 02, 2012, 08:14:51 PM
Here is a boatload of profiles and cabs for you new Kemper guys.
Thanks!
I ordered one yesterday also, I just couldn't take knowing If i was truly missing something???
For those interested Sweetwater has some open box white ones for $1665 and free shipping. They also will have new black ones Fri or Mon. Paul
Bill. thanks for the link. I just found out my KPA will be delivered today.
Have fun.
Update the firmware to the new 1.07 and load the profiles before judging.
PLUS
Profile your favorite sound up till now with you present gear.
You will see it will go where you want it to and then beyond that..
(Make sure to turn off noise gates and compressors in you the gear you are profiling)
Bill
There are reports of bugs with 1.07 in regards to the SPDIF
They seem to release a new firmware every 2 weeks.
And I expect it will be Summer before full functionality is implemented
I'm using 1.06 at this time.
Thanks i'll take your advice and post my findings. ;D
Thanks for letting me know ::) Paul
thanks all great post
1.07 got rid of some serious crashing I had with the Rotary Speaker effect.
Unless you use spdif I would try 1.07
Bill
Thanks Again. Have you tried profiling anything with a dist. or OD pedal plugged into the input ? I wonder if it will capture that sound as well.
They delivered my Kemper to my work today. Can't wait to get hame and give it a tour
Mine's arriving Friday. Good thing I have the day off!
I haven't been this excited since I got my GR55 ;D
Have fun!
I like the fact the KPA reacts uniquely to each guitar type I plug into it.
Use the Front Panel Guitar Input and a good guitar cable.
Use a good set of closed ear headphones if you can.
When you find a tone you like, start changing your guitars controls, and hear it react just like a real tube amp.
Download a read the KPA manuals
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/184/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___KPA___Guitar_Amplification_Redefined.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/184/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___KPA___Guitar_Amplification_Redefined.html)
I find Mr Christopher Kemper's KPA to be a remarkable engineering accomplishment, and it deserves all the awards it has received recently.
http://www1.mipa-award.de/ (http://www1.mipa-award.de/)
Phil K - KPA - The "Amp" Parameters I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QgcyHGVwGc#ws)
Above video shows you the different additional options of the "Amp" section.
1. Pick Parameter
2. Power Sagging
3. Definition
4. Compression
Does anyone who already has a KPA, and is using the Kemper forum, know if there are areas of the forum that are only accessible to registered owners?
I have been spending as much time there as possible trying to glean any tips, prior to the arrival of my new little friend.
It's kind of hit and miss over there trying to find specific info. Doesn't seem to be categorized too well, or I am just spoiled from hanging out here so much.
Elantric runs a tight ship here, and a well oiled machine(-:
Yes
go here:
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/)
The "private" area at the Kemper forum should be viewable to all, but only registered owners may post in that area
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/KPA_Forums.png)
To join and participate in the Public area at the Kemper Forums, click the VERY SMALL grey "Login" text in the upper right of the main page to create an account.
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html)
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/KPA_LOGIN.png)
I just realized the Kemper is the guitar equivalent to the much discussed PPG Realizer in the keyboard world. The Realizer was a digital synthesizer that purported to model any other synthesizer in software. The prototypes showed it modeling a Mini Moog. In 1987 it was about 20 years ahead of its time and bankrupted the company as it was just a little too ahead of its time.
The Kemper really does seem to do this for guitar amps.
Gotta see how I can get one of these...
Mines on its way, if you live in uk Thomann is considerably cheaper than all the UK shops (over a hundred quid). I got a flight case bundle with mine for cheaper than rrp.
Mine's "out for delivery" a day early! W00t!
FWIW
The new Line6 Pod HD 2.0 update came out with three new amps.
Twp plexi amps and an Ampeg bass amp that is great for jazz guitar.
I profiled them and they sound exact....I kind of feel guilty.
They are in the Kemper user profiles.
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on April 05, 2012, 09:40:48 AM
FWIW
The new Line6 Pod 2.0 update came out with three new amps.
Twp plexi amps and an Ampeg bass amp that is great for jazz guitar.
I profiled them and they sound exact....I kind of feel guilty.
They are in the Kemper user profiles.
So, you profiled a modeled amp? Interesting! :-)
Yes
I profiled all the VG-99 amp sounds I use for work the day I got the Kemper.
They sound exact,and now I can mod them even more....
Here's my second impression after working with the KPA for a while:
WOW!
But there are a few shortcomings....
The reboot time on a power glitch during live use makes me nervous. Mr. Kemper should included a ride through capacitor in the power supply so I wouldn't need a UPS
45 seconds to reboot is harsh! For the studio, no biggie.
Lack of a full MIDI implementation. Here Mr Kemper could take a page from Roland's playbook and expose ALL functions so live users can cook up their own interfaces. Hopefully this is coming soon.
Other than that...its AWESOME.
bd
ouch! that 45 seconds is beat! especially if it jeopardizes the guitar solo portion of the song :P
QuoteThe reboot time on a power glitch during live use makes me nervous. Mr. Kemper should included a ride through capacitor in the power supply so I wouldn't need a UPS
45 seconds to reboot is harsh! For the studio, no biggie.
I'm having good results using this UPS for live shows - specifically to cover those occasions when a power glitch occurs mid song.:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OTEZ5I/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OTEZ5I/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41e4PQQeExL.jpg)
Cyberpower CP600LCD UPS - 600VA/340W LCD Display 8-Outlet RJ11/ Compact Design EMI/RFI $65
nice - also not that expensive. How long do you get once the power is out?
Quote from: Elantric on April 06, 2012, 07:38:19 AM
I'm having good results using this UPS for live shows - specifically to cover those occasions when a power glitch occurs mid song.:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OTEZ5I/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000OTEZ5I/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41e4PQQeExL.jpg)
Cyberpower CP600LCD UPS - 600VA/340W LCD Display 8-Outlet RJ11/ Compact Design EMI/RFI $65
Quotenice - also not that expensive. How long do you get once the power is out?
Depends on the AC load of all devices plugged into the UPS.
I would never use this for a real tube amp or power amp or powered speakers.
Or gear with poor AC Supply filtering!
Only use it for gear that draws under 0.5 amp load, and it lasts a few minutes.
Typically AC Power glitches / brown outs on stages are very short events. All I really need is a way to survive a 2 second loss of AC Mains power - without suffering a re-boot of the KPA mid song.
If the stage AC Mains circuit breaker gets tripped, the PA goes dead anyway. This small UPS will keep the KPA powered up and ready to go, while waiting for the bartender / barrista to reset the stage circuit breaker.
Thanks Elantric. I'll definetly look into this
As much as this pains me to carry around, its definitely a decent investment and not that expensive. They're about $50 at Costco here in Canada.
I have a really nice 1U rack mount PDU with UPS built in. Would be perfect for this application as well. I'll have to check out what model it is. Either TrippLite or APC...
QuoteI have a really nice 1U rack mount PDU with UPS built in.
Share details!
I'm pretty sure its this guy: http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=933&txtModelID=2691 (http://www.tripplite.com/en/products/model.cfm?txtSeriesID=933&txtModelID=2691)
It would be ideal for anyone who incorporates a PC into their rig.
About $160. There are comments that it "can't handle a server load properly". But I wouldn't let that scare you. I would never purchase this for server UPS application...
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31vnccXWVqL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31SkQxb5lNL.jpg)
I have been looking for sound examples of the KPA with acoustic guitars, but could not find any. Elantric did say some folks have tried capturing acoustic profiles. Any body found anythong more on this?
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on April 02, 2012, 07:42:15 AM
There is a separate 4 band EQ for both the monitor out and master out....
Bill,
Kemper expects us to use the monitor out for stage monitoring. I have a stereo FRFR rig so for me, it would be great if the TRS main outs where separate from the XLR....but I suspect they share an analog path. So I am hoping the monitor out is stereo on the KPA V2 hardware or future rack model. Until then, a mini 10 band stereo eq may fix it.
My FRFR rig sounds so huge and 3D, I'm having trouble going back to mono.... :)
bd
@musicman65 - I concur. I use a pair of these on some tripods and the stereo imaging spoils me. I could never go back to my poweramp and 4x12 cab. The FRFR solution is more portable for me. I'd rather carry these around than try lugging a 4x12 up some stairs by myself. I've been using them for around 3 years now. Saw this review and due to afforability I jumped at it and never looked back. If the monitor out is stereo on the Kemper then we should be golden.
http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2008/05/31/Behringer-Ultratone-K1800FX.aspx (http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2008/05/31/Behringer-Ultratone-K1800FX.aspx)
(http://www.behringer.com/EN/images/products/K1800FX_P0380_Right_web.jpg)
Bill, finally got to update the software. You also said to download profiles befor I judged the KPA, which ones were you talking about. Thanks Paul
Quote from: A to the T on April 05, 2012, 07:17:52 PM
ouch! that 45 seconds is beat! especially if it jeopardizes the guitar solo portion of the song :P
That is probably less time than it would take to swap a tube head out and warm it up...
Quote from: tekrytor on April 08, 2012, 05:11:15 PM
That is probably lees time than it would take to swap a tube head out and warm it up...
Very true! I wish the wiring and power in venues I play where as reliable as the average tube amp. I've had a quick power loss on a handful of occasions over the past few years....usually from a car or lightening striking a utility pole somewhere on the local grid. Apparently, it takes more time to reroute a powerline circuit than my gear can tolerate. Rural power disteibution sucks... :(
bd
i've ordered a kemper too...
i plan to use it with my vg99 : and i plan to use the spdif out of vg99 in spdif in of kemper
but i d'ont know if spdif out of vg99 is 44.1 khz ? did someone tried the spdif in of the kemper ?
thanks
stef
Quotebut i d'ont know if spdif out of vg99 is 44.1 khz ? did someone tried the spdif in of the kemper ?
thanks
stef
Both VG-99 and KPA are running at 44.1kHz on the SPDIF I/O - They should be compatible.
GOOD NEWS! I got so pissed about the crappy signal to noise ratio on the GR-55 Guitar Out jack, I took my GR55 apart and got my o'scope out and went noise hunting. Turns out the noise floor on every output is the same, identical...about 1mV avg pk-pk. It's on everything, headphones, L/R mains,,,,and guitar out. The issue is that the rest of the outputs have gain so the output signal is large in comparison to the noise floor....but the guitar out is just buffered with no gain so its a smaller signal. That makes the signal-to-noise ratio worse than with the main outs or headphones. In fact, the headphone out may be the best.....hmmm?
Sooo...I decided to use the L/R Main outs into the Return/Alt Return jacks on the KPA and set the first stomp to Stereo Loop. This injects the GR55 into the KPA signal chain just after the front guitar input and noise gate, It works great. Quite too. You lose the noise gate (and maybe the Clean / Dist Sense?) but gain a full guitar modeler with alt tuning, tons of effects, all the Roland Goodness of the VGuitar setup.
Now, here's the cool part. After saving your KPA profile with Stereo Loop enabled in the Stomp section, disable the stomp and save a second rig with Stereo Loop in the X slot of the effects section. Now dial up a PCM synth tone and it's inserted in the mix AFTER the Amp section....nice and clean. With Stereo Loop in either Pre (Stomp) or Post (Effects) position, you get a gain and mix control. Use them to blend GR-55 and normal guitar input if you still have a non-gk guitar you want to use....or decide to make the mod below.
Tomorrow, I am installing a REAL, UNBUFFERED GUITAR OUT jack in my GR55. I will pick off the signal from the 13-pin jack's terminating board. This will give me a noise free guitar out just like my VG-99 has. Then I'll have tons of options via KPA front jack and Stereo Loop.
Next is MIDI setup so KPA rigs are changed via GR55 with correct pre or post Stereo Loop settings depending on what tones I want, ie: KPA with straight guitar, synth sounds, GR55 alt tuning, GR55 acoustic, modeled guitar, etc....I am super excited this is gonna work.
bd
Quote from: Elantric on April 09, 2012, 08:50:13 AM
Both VG-99 and KPA are running at 44.1kHz on the SPDIF I/O - They should be compatible.
thanks, hope spdif in form kemper works ! vg99 in kemper would be a killer rig !
musicman, that sounds like the best rig in the world!
Sounds very cool. I'll have to give that a try as I just got a Kemper as well. Would love to try your buffercircuit as well. 8)
So i tried stereo loop thing, cant even find it. Anyone fancy making a guide on how to weld the 99 and kemper together before i trip over one of these leads and break an elbow? ;D
Lee,
This is from memory so forgive me for errors....also, this applies to the VG-99 as well. On the VG-99, also connect from the guitar out to the KPA guitar input jack. For GR-55 users, do the Unbuffered Guitar Out Mod to get a clean guitar out with no noise, as posted in the "GR-55 Noise in Live Rigs" thread. https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5456.msg39491#msg39491 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5456.msg39491#msg39491) or connect your regular guitar jack to the KPA. Whatever works for you.
Here goes:
For the Kemper to act as a mixer and pass through the GR-55 sounds (PCM tones especially), do the following:
1. Run your L/R Main outs on your GR-55 to the Return and Alt Return 1/4" jacks on the Kemper.
2. Next, Press and Hold the "X" Effect button on the Kemper to select edit mode for that effect slot.
3. Use the Type knob immediately next to the upper right corner of the LCD Screen to select "Stereo Loop"...keep rolling the knob. It's towards the end of the list.
4. Adust the "Mix" control in the "Stereo Loop" effect to greater than 0. 100% gives you 100% sound from the loop (your GR-55) and anything less blends the 1/4" guitar input and active profile (Input, Mods, Amp section).
5. Adjust the "Level" in the "Stereo Loop" so the GR-55 isn't too loud. I've found that the minimum works well with most GR-55 sounds.
THE ABOVE WOULD BE CONSIDERED A POST-AMP INSERT (doesn't route through the Amp, but goes straight to the Delay and Reverb then the outputs of the Kemper)
If you want to use the GR-55's output to go through the Kemper's Amp Profile, use the same method above but instead of the "X" Effect slot, use the first stomp slot (left of Amp on the front of the upper left of the Kemper).
This will insert your GR-55's output just after the guitar input and noise gate but before the other mods and the Amp. This is what you would do if you want COSM guitar modeling to feed a KPA Profile (Rig as they call it). This would be termed a "PRE-AMP INSERT"
Save a POST-AMP rig and a PRE-AMP rig so you can switch back and forth. Name them identically except the last part (My Rig Pre Loop, My Rig Post Loop) so you can switch back and forth easily. Next, assign a MIDI PC# to each and then have your GR-55 send the correct PC# for the type of GR-55 patch you are running.
From there, expand to multiple KPA Rigs and GR-55 patches that are tied together via MIDI.
btw, some of the PCM lead synth and GR-300 style tones on the GR-55 sounds AMAZING through a high gain Marshal or Mesa Rig in the KPA....SUPER THICK AND MEATY with GRAVY ON TOP.
Enjoy!
bd
Musicman, Thanks for the info :P Ihave the whole weekend off for a change and can't wait to give this a try. 8)
Muscman65, Thanks for all your efforts and posts which provide clear step by step instructions.
This will prove to be invaluable to may others, as we "boldly go where no guitarists have gone before." - at least with this years crop of new hardware toys.
BRAVO
Thank you musicman, very helpful. I know what I'm gonna do tomorrow now :P (type knob is on upper left of lcd window thats the bit that was confusing me and preventing me from finding stereo loop))
Now if we could get Mr. Kemper to add an adjustable noise gate to the loop or the option to position the existing one to pre- or post-stomp section....it would be absolutely PERFECT. That would take care of that last bit of hiss from the GR/VG outs.
With Kemper, they just might do it if it makes sense UNLIKE ROLAND. ;D
(just made the feature request on the KPA Forum)
bd
I just did my first profile of my Egnater IE4 on my Kemper. Oddly I named it, saved it, and now I be @#@$$ I cant find lt. I must have did something wrong, but can't figure out what. >:( I went back through the manual ( which doesn't say much about saving) And can't find an answer. Help!!!
Wow you did the one thing that freaks the Kemper rig memory out and that is start the name with a @
It sorts by name and @ is not searchable.
Start with a number or letter.
Sorry......
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on April 13, 2012, 08:24:11 PM
I just did my first profile of my Egnater IE4 on my Kemper. Oddly I named it, saved it, and now I be @#@$$ I cant find lt. I must have did something wrong, but can't figure out what. >:( I went back through the manual ( which doesn't say much about saving) And can't find an answer. Help!!!
Thamks Bill. But I actually named it EGNATER IE4 ch4. It doesn't show under newestt date either :'(. I'm gonna try again later today and see what happens. I did as you said first off and updated the software, but have not downloaded any other rigs, cabinats, etc.. This was an open box unit from Sweetwater, hope there isn't some other problem.
You should be able to search by name using the rig up and down buttons right above the input jack.
Stop when it says E and than use the browse knob to see all profiles starting with an E.....
Thanks Bill. I tried that If I remember right (just checked again) only a couple of EVH listed under E.Last night I searched A to Z. Under date search it doesn't show either. I'm perplexed :-[
Probably best to post this issue on the Kemper Forum.
It's important to avoid using spaces in patch names. They discuss this in the Tips section.
Correct the current KPA manuals are not well laid out, and it's crucial to take the time to read all posts by ckemper. Over there on the KPA forum
Also Bil Ruppert suggests:
"Hit external storage and export all rigs.
It takes a while but in your share folder you will find a "rigs" folder with all you rigs in it when you put the stick back in your computer.
If its not there than there is a problem..... "
Thanks. I did post it there, but I allways get great response here.
maybe Kemper can start work on a guitar profiler. that 1939 gibson L-5 at frettedamericana looks sweet but i don't have $125k to throw around. all kidding aside it would be even cooler if they'd license the technology to Roland for the next gen VG.....
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on April 14, 2012, 03:25:27 PM
Thanks. I did post it there, but I allways get great response here.
Whip, did you try backing using "Export all rigs" then copying the rigs from the USB to your PC/Mac? Perhaps you'll see something there. If not then it probably wasn't saved ...
BTW, I'm Zappledan on the Kemper forum.
Thanks I'll give that a try befor I lose anymore sleep ???
Well I reprofiled my Egnater IE4 and this time I was able to save it. I gotta say I think the KPA pretty well nailed It. This somehow still just seems kinda unbelievable.
Has anyone tried profiling any bass amps yet? Any reason to expect the KPA would have any problems there?
The Kemper Profiling Amp seeks to model the distortion characteristics of the Guitar amp being profiled.
On the Kemper forum, they advise that attempts to profile Clean Tube preamps, Mic Preamps, Bass Preamps, does not generate the same results as profiling a distorting guitar amp.
More here:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=29564&highlight=#post29564 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=29564&highlight=#post29564)
hmm. thats a shame. are there any "attempted" clean amps? Roland JC or the like? if so, what do they sound like and are they close enough?
A Review of the KPA profile area reveals many clean amps are already profiled.
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html)
Basically if you profile 12 different Clean amps without their speaker cabs, you end up with 12 profiles that sound almost identical. (i.e. all clean)
Its main function is to clone the distortion, compression characteristics of a Guitar Amp with a Guitar speaker.
Clean Bass Amps and Clean Mic Preamps are not supposed to have much distortion, therefore there is less for the Kemper to "profile" and attempt to replicate.
The KPA will not generate separate distinguishable profiles of Avalon Mic Pre, vs. Focusrite Mic Pre, vs Neve Mic Pre - instead all those Mic Pre profiles will sound like the same clean Mic pre profile.
A Roland JC120 clean channel cranked to "10" does have a specific distortion characteristic, as the Power amp is distorting and the stock speakers will distort at high SPL levels.
And yes - there are many Clean guitar amp KPA profiles for download, as each Guitar Amp's speaker type supplies bulk of the "tone" and EQ that is modeled.
I was thinking in terms of vintage tube bass amps with matched cabs - I imagine there would be enough distortion/ eq/ compression character in that system to profile effectively.
QuoteI was thinking in terms of vintage tube bass amps with matched cabs - I imagine there would be enough distortion/ eq/ compression character in that system to profile effectively.
Quite true, and i expect more of those type amps to be profiled by the KPA.
The Ultimate Kemper Profiling Amplifier Demonstration - Gain & Clean Tones (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAuY9OyMsdg#ws)
You know what would be cool? Now that they have this Kemper profiling amp, why couldn't they make a non-profiling (micro-version if you will) which just allows you to load in previously created profiles. Personally, I have no requirement to profile any amps. Maybe it could have an MSRP of $1000-$1200....?
Just an idea
Elantric, I watched this whole thing on Sunday. It was pretty inspiring. I finally have figured out the save function( parts seem a bit redundent)and have profiled 2 of the channels of my Egnater IE4. I have to say I'm pretty amazed by the results. ;D
QuoteYou know what would be cool? Now that they have this Kemper profiling amp, why couldn't they make a non-profiling (micro-version if you will) which just allows you to load in previously created profiles. Personally, I have no requirement to profile any amps. Maybe it could have an MSRP of $1000-$1200....?
Essentially the electronics employed as the FX Loop in other DSP guitar processors performs double duty in the Kemper as the Amp Profiling section. There is a minor cost for the XLR Mic return and Mic Pre opamp+low noise caps/resistors - but that cost is trivial (under $10 - think about that next time you buy that $1200 mic pre!)
I would not want to be without the KPA FX loop.
But there may be room for KPA to adopt the TC Electronics Toneprint concept, or Digitech istomp
http://digitech.com/en-US/products/istomp (http://digitech.com/en-US/products/istomp)
and make a $600 stomp box that employs the KPA technology, but no Profiling, simply Guitar In and stereo Out and a GUI Editor and a method load *.kipr files . - now that would be cool!
The sheer elegance of the KPA user interface and sound and looks have raised the bar. It deserves all its recent 5 star ratings and awards.
Quote from: A to the T on April 18, 2012, 06:27:48 AM
You know what would be cool? Now that they have this Kemper profiling amp, why couldn't they make a non-profiling (micro-version if you will) which just allows you to load in previously created profiles. Personally, I have no requirement to profile any amps. Maybe it could have an MSRP of $1000-$1200....?
Just an idea
Same here. I asked them about this & their reply was that profiling was their primary distinction in the market and were not planning on a player-only amp.
They might want to reconsider that because..."an app could do that". Someone will write the app eventually anyway.
Agreed, the FX loop would def be necessary. Agreed, there will be an app for that.
The market is so competitive. What stops Line6 from spending R&D money on amp profiling technology and then once again come to market with a next-gen POD 3D500 which includes profiled amps at an affordable price range?
Personally, I'm not sure about Digitech and their sales under this new iStomp and iPad integrated technology....The ipad unit really does limit your market. I don't own an ipad. I have an android tablet and even so those things have boot time to deal with etc. I like hard proprietary gear with zero reliance on other factors. I even hated pedals always relying on 9V batteries.....
QuoteIts main function is to clone the distortion, compression characteristics of a Guitar Amp with a Guitar speaker.
I assume that, in order to profile the amp + speaker system, you need to actually mic the cab, and let it profile at an appropriate volume? Whereas, if you were going to just profile a head, and run it into a real guitar cab, you could just cable it all up directly?
But this makes me wonder - can the Kemper profiling input (i.e. FX return) actually handle a speaker-level signal?? Or is it a choice between profiling amp + speaker + mic, or just profiling the
preamp.
Response from Kemper regarding a "non-profiling" version.
"we don't relief information regarding future product plans. However keep in mind, that the fact that every customer does have the capability fo create their own profiles has lead to more than 800 user profiles/rigs on our rig exchaneg page available to any registered customers. This is on top of our more than 200 factory rigs/profiles which are just in the process to be extended. All these profiles are not created in labs, but by real guitarists with real tube amplifiers (or modellers). I think, this is a benefit even for those people, who don't own a amplifier to profile.
Sincerely,
Burkhard Dinnies"
I guess they aren't worried about losing potential marketshare to a company like Fractal Audio where you may get more bang for your buck even though the amps in the axe-fx aren't going to be the same as the one in the kemper........
http://fractalaudio.com/downloads/manuals/axe-fx-2/Axe-Fx-II-Tone-Match-Manual.pdf (http://fractalaudio.com/downloads/manuals/axe-fx-2/Axe-Fx-II-Tone-Match-Manual.pdf)
from what I have read from Mr. Kemper (CK) on their forums, they aren't worried about Fractal at all. The "Tone Match" technology isn't a "Profile" of a real amp but is advanced eq matching of a modeled amp to a recorded track.
I don't own an Axe FXII so I have no idea how effective tone match is.....it may be a great feature for them. If so, awesome.
bd
Ya but they're looking at it all wrong IMO.
So If I'm a guitar player and have a budget of around $2000 to spend on some gear, am I going to:
a) put it into a Kemper which sounds fantastic and has some amp profiling ability that I would never use because I have no access to amps.
or
b) buy an Axe-Fx or another piece of gear "chock full" of sounds and effects which will still sound great.
I'm just saying.... I'd love to have both but can't justify it. So why wouldn't Kemper not try and get someone elses piece of the marketshare?
I think if you want to survive in this business you can't be a one SKU company. I know they're early in the game so maybe they have it on their road map for a scaled down cheaper version but won't disclose as previously mentioned.
QuoteI think if you want to survive in this business you can't be a one SKU company.
FYI - Christopher Kemper designs the hardware for the other company he still owns. Access Music and the successful Access Virus TI.
Its a fact his profits from the Virus line of synths funded the R&D for the KPA.
http://virus.info/page/render/lang/en/p/128/do/The_Virus_TI___Totally_Integrated_Synthesizers.html (http://virus.info/page/render/lang/en/p/128/do/The_Virus_TI___Totally_Integrated_Synthesizers.html)
QuoteAccess Music is a privately held manufacturer of musical instruments from Germany. Founded in 1997 with the mission to hardware editors to _access_ the sound parameters buried in menu driven synthesizers, we soon found out that building our own synthesizer would be much more fun.
The first Virus synth was a 12-voice virtual analog synthesizer, unique in comparison to competitor products in that it wasn't trying to clone any particular vintage product. This ultimately gave us the freedom to evolve the sound engine in creative directions, which we did --big time--with completely free software updates.
In the years since, our synthesizer's voice count has grown to nearly a hundred. Our standalone hardware instrument now has the capabilty for total integration into the modern sequencer environment. The Virus' USB connection provides such unique features as total recall, sample accurate timing, and more.
Access today is a modern company with about 20 full-time employees who were carefully chosen to bring their requisite special skills into the mix. Each of us has a music background, ranging from classical piano to production to DJing. Today, our mission is to build stellar sounding musical instruments packed with innovative and industry-leading features to deliver products by musicians for musicians.
The Virus is sold worldwide through an extensive dealer network. Artists from Depeche Mode to Prodigy, from Sasha to Hans Zimmer, NIN to Neptunes and Linkin Park to Dr. Dre rely on it on their tours and in the studio. Today, the Virus is one of the most sought after products in the industry and our frequent free software updates have become the hallmark of Access Music.
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interesting. well I made up my mind and threw myself on the Axe-FX waiting list. I'm very impressed by the new tone matching functionality. hopefully I can integrate it nicely with my vg-99 and FC-300. yes its still more money than the kemper but I feel like I'm getting more bang for the buck.
There are over 900 profiles available free to any Kemper owner on their website..... and that is only going to grow. The KPA is amazing IMHO.
Best of luck to you mate, I would never purchase something with such a ridiculous sales model and zero customer support, whether the Kemper had come along or not. I will look forward to an unbiased review of the Axe in a few months when you get it. :P
@Lee, what is their sales model? I know little about the company....but I like what I read about the amp.
Thanks
"So why wouldn't Kemper not try and get someone elses piece of the marketshare?"
Its Axe-Fx doing the Beringer copy with "Tone Match"...
To bad you cant have both to see what does best with your style and method of play.
Start exercising your index finger, you will need it.
(Let me know when Axe-fx adds 16 knobs)
"put it into a Kemper which sounds fantastic and has some amp profiling ability that I would never use because I have no access to amps."
I have over 1000 profiles in my Kemper now.
I do not own 1000 amps.
Quote from: A to the T on April 26, 2012, 02:51:00 PM
Ya but they're looking at it all wrong IMO.
So If I'm a guitar player and have a budget of around $2000 to spend on some gear, am I going to:
a) put it into a Kemper which sounds fantastic and has some amp profiling ability that I would never use because I have no access to amps.
or
b) buy an Axe-Fx or another piece of gear "chock full" of sounds and effects which will still sound great.
I'm just saying.... I'd love to have both but can't justify it. So why wouldn't Kemper not try and get someone elses piece of the marketshare?
I think if you want to survive in this business you can't be a one SKU company. I know they're early in the game so maybe they have it on their road map for a scaled down cheaper version but won't disclose as previously mentioned.
I'm confused. who's sales model is messed up? Who has no customer support?
Kemper's model seems logical to me. I contacted my favorite retailer, paid my money and it arrived in 3 days. I logged onto Kemper's website, registered my device, and participated directly with the Mr. Kemper and team on their forums.
oh...and I have really enjoyed the stellar tones. Its by far the most authentic digital amp device I've heard.....I can "feel" the amp. No problems so far.
bd
I was referring to Fractal not the Kemper, I love my Kemper. Signing up to an indefinite waiting list(Kempers made and in stock), without a number, so if somebody of notoriety comes along you drop down the list by 1, is a daft sales model if you ask me. Fractal police their forums deleting and banning any customer who even asks questions they don't like(Kemper dude actively participates and doesn't seem to delete the haters either), let alone if they fancy a moan about a bug. I have owned the original Axe FX and it was great(although very clinical like 99 and others for distortion) and obviously I can't comment on the 2 cos I haven't tried it.
Anyway musicman, I'm glad you're getting a 2, and I will look forward to an unbiased review of everything, from the waiting period to the customer service experience(should you need them), not to mention the actual unit ofc. My mind isn't closed to Fractal totally, companies sometimes sort their dodo out. It will be nice to have someone (partially) sane from this forum who isn't a fanboy tell us what it's like. :)
The Axe-FX user interface resembled my 20 year old Digitech GSP-1201, and thats a bit user hostile with sub sub menus, and not enough knobs for real time control / tweaking at the gig.
Also before jumping to a conclusion that the AXE-FX will suit all your FX needs, I would review Dweezil Zappas Axe FX rig here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5326.msg36446#msg36446 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5326.msg36446#msg36446)
LeeMorant:
I'm not getting an AxeFX II. I think "A to the T" is on the list.
I didn't know AxeFX had such a strange sales model. I guess the waiting and scarcity make some folks want it more!
As for being hushed or censored on a user forum....NO THANKS. That would make me avoid or abandon a product in a hurry. That's just me. I'm sure there are lots of satisfied users.
bd
Yes the AxeFX has the same UI as my old GSP-2101 but this is of no concern. I do all my VG editing with Software Editor and I'll be doing the same with Axe-Edit.
@LeeMorant - Their sales model is direct and if you want it ASAP you pay more for it. supply and demand. The development and customer support is amazing based on forum comments, constant firmware updates that not only include fixes but new models and features. Itss used or endorsed by many well known artists. (steve vai, petrucci, zappa, belew, schon) etc. I think if the UI was an issue it would be addressed in future models but they neglected to touch in for version II........
Well as I said I look forward to hearing about it, I would wish all users from this forum a happy and trouble free time with all their gear and if you are prepared to be cap in hand waiting then good for you, I'm just staying away for the reasons stated, and customer is king (plus the axe fx patches I just used in Kemper sound pretty accurate to me from what I can remember). Plus I don't ken why if it's such an awesome multifx unit why Vai Petrucci et al need so many other boutiqe pedals on stage. :)
BTW when you get it, if it has any awesome sounds, be sure to profile them for us :P
Can I ask how people are using the kemper with the VG 99?
I would prefer to use the VG usb out for recording, and use COSM guitars into the Kemper. I also want to use my LP with both units with the VG in an effects loop, if thats possible.
I have been developing my strategy for replacing my VG99 rig with a KPA/VG hybrid rig. I own and use a VG99 and a GR55 as well as the KPA. I have been working with the GR55 but ultimately, the VG99 will probably be my COSM engine due to lower noise and dual engines.
Either VG and GR solutions uses the same cable method. DO NOT attempt to use the Guitar Out on the GR55....its way to noisy. I have found that running the stereo L/R 1/4" outs to the Input/Alt Input jacks on the KPA works best. This allows the VG/GR to be routed through the Stereo Loop returns in the KPA. The Stereo Loop can be configured in the post-amp effects position for use with full VG/GR COSM Guitar/Amp (and PCM synth on GR). If using COSM Guitar only (no COSM amp) the use the Stereo Loop in the Stomp section. This inserts the modeled guitar ahead of the KPA amp.
The Stereo Loop is configured and stored in each KPA rig. The KP A can follow MIDI Program Changes from VG/GR so you can program you VG/GR patch for whatever you want (COSM guitar, Amp, PCM sounds) and have the KPA switch to a rig that has whatever profiled amp, effects you want and also the apropriate Stereo Loop setting. Now the KPA is "locked" to the VG/GR patch so patch navigation on the VG/GR selects the KPA rig also.
Its a lot of work at first....but should be the best of both worlds.
bd
A to the T said
"put it into a Kemper which sounds fantastic and has some amp profiling ability that I would never use because I have no access to amps."
Bill replied
I have over 1000 profiles in my Kemper now.
I do not own 1000 amps.
If I understand correctly, what A to the T is looking for would be a Kemper that does not have the ability to do it's own profiling, at a lower price point than the current offering. Something that would allow you to download the profiles other people have made available, but not able to plug your own amp in for profiling. I'd also be interested in a "half-a-Kemper" if they ever decided to make one. My amps include
Fender 75
Fender Champ 15
Fender Champ 25SE
Roland DAC-15
Roland VGA-5
Roland VGA-7
Sound City 120
Gibson Maestro
There are over 1000 amps already modeled, and NONE of them are ones that I own. There's probably a good reason for that :-\ If buying a Kemper, I doubt I'd worry about being able to clone the sound of my Fender 75, although I personally like what I get out of it. I would think trying to profile a Roland VGA-x, or any other modeling amp, would just annoy the Kemper as it profiled the amp you were currently modeling. Leave the profiling to the guys who either own or have access to the "cool" amps, and put out a lower-priced Kemper for the folks like me that will never get to play a cool/boutique/rare amp. Of course if somebody really needs the tone of a Champ 15 and wants to loan me a Kemper to profile it for them... :D
Myself, I classify the Kemper as the best sounding DSP based guitar processor for 2012. and they are working on a nice foot switch too.
(http://www.kemper-amps.com/_media/ddl/floorboard_800.png)
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4730&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4730&highlight=)
I would not get hung up on the profiling function - sure its nice - but (not surprisingly) the extremely active and healthy community of professionals who are sharing their fantastic library of KPA profile *.kipr files is truly astounding. and the built in effects sound earthy and organic - not cold digital like competing products.
Given my documented extreme case of "GAS" - I can honestly write that since owning the KPA, I no longer lust after adding more boutique Tube amps to my collection.
Think of all that money i just saved ;)
Remember, the same circuitry employed for the KPA's profiling function serves double duty as the KPA's external FX Loop - which is very assignable to work well with stomp boxes or stereo rack gear.
My point is that I would never consider the KPA as desirable if that flexible external FX loop was missing.
I'm considering using the KPA with my HD500 / Tyler Variax combo, or VG-99 Left out > KPA > VG-99 Guitar In > VG-99 Right Out > PA Amp.
Lots of options - perhaps too many!
compelling. very. i just keep hearing so many compelling stories about the axe-fx II and its new tone matching abilities as well. apparently they're tone matching some of the amps out of the kemper as well as acoustic models. what to do? what to do? I can't buy all this stuff. I wish Roland would just invent a VG-100 with it all inclusive.
Unless Roland does something entirely new and different, I doubt the COSM amps will ever approach an AxeFx or KPA.
COSM amps are good enough when considering the versatility....but "good enough" only last until "better" come;s along!
bd
Well, I don't haunt this forum much these days, having gone through a VG88, VG99, GR55, then another VG99. The sound just never quite grabbed me. However, I can say without any doubts that the KPA has eliminated all amplifier GAS and kept me playing more hours than ever before. I've never owned an AXE-FX, but my number came up a couple of months ago - that's when I discovered the KPA, while researching the AXE-FXII to see if I really wanted to buy it. Well, I went with the KPA and haven't looked back. Thanks to the generous Kemper Forum members I have access to virtually every type amplifier I ever dreamed of owning - all shared for free. Not only that, but the KPA allows you to edit the internal sound makeup in dramatic ways. I think I can make any amp profile sound amazing just by tweaking it. The effects are decent, and I expect that we'll be seeing many improvements in that area as time goes by. Just my two cents, but WHAT A GREAT PRODUCT!!!
The kemper sounds cool.
Someone wrote that you can even profile stompboxes with the kemper.
Is it possible to profile a sound of the VG99 and use it on the kemper? For instance a sound with the built-in GR-300?
I think Bill said he was able to profile some special VG-99 sounds that he had been unable to achieve with anything else but I believe these were guitar sounds, not synths. But I kind of wonder - "if you profile it, can it build it?"
Quote from: hollowbody on May 06, 2012, 02:17:46 PM
The kemper sounds cool.
Someone wrote that you can even profile stompboxes with the kemper.
Is it possible to profile a sound of the VG99 and use it on the kemper? For instance a sound with the built-in GR-300?
The KPA doesn't really profile stompboxes, per se,
It will profile an amp with a distortion, or OD, in front of the amp, but it is then part of the profiled(snapshot) of that amp.
You will not be able to separate the stompbox, and then use it with another amp.
Plus, this only works with distortion and overdrive boxes, and even then, the KPA will reject (not profile), certain boxes if it is too distorted (the signal is too hot).
You cannot profile any modulation, or time based effects.
It is just for the purpose of trying to give you a snapshot of your favorite settings on an amp, including the sound of your favorite OD pushing the amp.
So you see, in order to have full use of your favorite amp, you need to create as many profiles as you have settings that you change, when using that amp.(s/a bright,dark, clean, driven,dime'd).
Even with that, it's a lot easier to push a button on your foot controller, than it is to reach over and turn 1-4 dials on your amp.
As for the GR-300 on the '99 or '55, You won't hurt the KPA by trying, but it's not a sampler, that will give you the ability to sound like trumpet, piano, etc... It just sends signals through your amp, speaker, and mic, and reads the dynamics of the signal passing through all the aforementioned.
For me, the GR-55 sounds great running it in the loop of the KPA, so I don't need a profile of anything in it.
I am, by far, no expert with the KPA.
I am just trying to clear up a few things ,I myself didn't understand at first.
Quote from: imall41 on May 06, 2012, 05:55:52 PM
For me, the GR-55 sounds great running it in the loop of the KPA, so I don't need a profile of anything in it.
Thanks for the clarification.
I believe you, that the GR-55 sounds great with the KPA... but I can't afford both. :(
I thought of buying the KPA and selling my VG-99.
But I love some sounds of the synth. So I thought, that I could probably profile them and take it to the KPA.
But I think this is not possible, because when profiling, the KPA sens signals from its Direct Out to the Stomp (or VG-99) and from there to the Amp. But in order to get the GR-300 sounds you must go in the GK-In of the VG-99 (and the KPA has no 13-pin out).
Is there a way to do this? Where in the chain would the VG-99 go for profiling?
Quote from: mbenigni on March 28, 2012, 12:09:43 PM
I've decided to buy one if and only if I manage to sell $1850 worth of gear next month. Possible but not likely. So if I'm meant to have one...
I wound up selling about $1100 worth of old gear last month. Have been trying to talk myself down from the Kemper madness, but now I hear from someone who wants to buy my old Parker Fly Deluxe. I'm half hoping he backs out, but I've already warned my wife: if the Parker goes, I'm buying a Kemper to make myself feel better. :)
(Besides, the Kemper seems like a piece of gear that a careful owner could buy, enjoy for a few months, and sell again at a loss of a couple hundred at most, if it doesn't prove to be completely life-altering.)
To help justify the purchase, you could sell some of your real amps after you experience the Kemper...Lol. It really is THAT good. I'm keeping my amps for now but the profiles I made of them are amazingly accurate. I will not be selling the Kemper.
bd
I'm selling two of my amps and keeping one (not sure why I'm even keeping that one). Since getting the KPA I haven't even turned on my other amps. Every day the first profile I go to is of a slightly warm Dumble. Just plain sweet. After that I wander around from AC30 to a Boogie, to various Marshalls ... It's like owning damn near every amp ever made. ;D
Please stop all these amazing reviews! I really don't want to spend the money right now!
...does anybody know how KPA works?
Do they for example just have 1 tube like "smooth distortion"-maker which is being eq-ed to have the same frequency response as the reference amp...?
And how about the dynamic responce of the reference amp?
If I listen on youtube to the noise it makes during the calibration phase, it didn't sound, if there was a going from quiet to loud.
Would it be possible to control the KPA parallel to the VG-99 by FC-300 over midi?
What I heared on youtube impressed me really... :-)
Greeting
Peter
Quote...does anybody know how KPA works?
The KPA Patent is attached
Quote
Would it be possible to control the KPA parallel to the VG-99 by FC-300 over midi?
YEs
From what I understand, the KPA has a waveform shaper that duplicates the analyzed sound from the profiles amp....otherwise its pure FM (freaking magic).
Yes, the KPA can be used in conjunction with other gear via MIDI. Read back in this thread for a previous answer to this same question.
bd
Thank you very much, Elantric and Musicman65!
Roland VG-99 Acoustic/Banjo profiled
Here is a start of an experiment profiling the Roland VG-99.
I took apart the 13 pin pickup and tapped in to the guitar modeling section of the VG-99.
I profiled an acoustic guitar and a banjo sound.
Use your bridge pickup.
More to follow as I dig into this.
They are up on rig exchange now.
Bill
Bill, that's crazy! For those curious readers who don't own a KPA (yet...) can you tell us whether this was a successful experiment? Is the character of the instrument modeled (e.g. banjo) actually captured effectively?
Makes me wonder about some of the other acoustic models (sitar, acoustic, twelve string, etc). Lots of possibilities. "We live in interesting times.."
I'd be shocked if 12-string could be emulated by the KPA, as the DSP required to pull it off is largely time-based (as opposed to EQ and dynamics). Lots of weird filtering and envelope on a sitar which I would expect to be out of the KPA's domain as well. But if the banjo worked, then who knows??
I just posted a GR-300 Pat Metheny sound profiled from the VG-99.....
They are pretty good...
I am still working on it and finding new sounds that can live in the Kemper.
Quote from: mbenigni on May 15, 2012, 08:27:26 AM
Bill, that's crazy! For those curious readers who don't own a KPA (yet...) can you tell us whether this was a successful experiment? Is the character of the instrument modeled (e.g. banjo) actually captured effectively?
I would like to try this with the GR-55.
Bill, would you share how you tapped into the GK pickup?
Did you make a cable that fanned out from the direct out of the KPA, and then spliced the 6 leads into the output of the GK pickup, so the KPA test signals could pass through the cosm section of the 99?
Any chance of an MP3 of these "modeled/remodeled" sounds out of the Kemper? Can you tell the difference between the original sound and the Kemper model? Are they indistinguishable? Or some new hybrid of the two?
They are a hybrid.
Im sorry do not have time to demo everything and I am not selling Kempers!
But here is a very short clip of the Kemper doing a horn like sound after profiling the VG:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20GR-300.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20GR-300.mp3)
Quote from: aliensporebomb on May 15, 2012, 11:23:00 AM
Any chance of an MP3 of these "modeled/remodeled" sounds out of the Kemper? Can you tell the difference between the original sound and the Kemper model? Are they indistinguishable? Or some new hybrid of the two?
I opened up a GK and tapped on to the circuit where the pickup comes in.
Be careful where you tap as there is voltage (+7 volts) in the GK which you want to keep away from the Kemper.
Quote from: imall41 on May 15, 2012, 11:08:43 AM
I would like to try this with the GR-55.
Bill, would you share how you tapped into the GK pickup?
Did you make a cable that fanned out from the direct out of the KPA, and then spliced the 6 leads into the output of the GK pickup, so the KPA test signals could pass through the cosm section of the 99?
QuoteBut here is a very short clip of the Kemper doing a horn like sound after profiling the VG:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20GR-300.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20GR-300.mp3)
Damn Bill - that KPA doing a GR-300 is just amazing!!!
Who knew this would be possible ? I sure didn't!
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on May 15, 2012, 03:04:43 PM
I opened up a GK and tapped on to the circuit where the pickup comes in.
Be careful where you tap as there is voltage (+7 volts) in the GK which you want to keep away from the Kemper.
Thanks Bill,
I will use care with the voltage,(I was already thinking, I would have to avoid sending that 7v back to the KPA).
I have a spare GK-3 I can sacrifice for the cause.
Have you been refining, after you profile (with patches s/a the GR-300), or just profiling, after setting up a sound you like on the VG?
Bill - your example is amazing! - if Metheny hears this he'll go out of his mind! It's got the velvety smoothness of the GR-300 but the guitaristic elements that make the guitar the expressive instrument it is. A true hybrid with elements of both.
It also shows there are many possibilities for this beyond just modeling amplifiers, and I just thought of another one: you know some of the old analog synthesizer gear have audio inputs to process guitars or other instruments thru the filter banks on the synthesizer? You could pump the kemper thru THAT.
Remember Brian Eno's "treatments" where he would put a guitar thru an elaborate chain of equipment to achieve a particular result? You could concievably condense an elaborate chain of equipment to an easily accessible file in the Kemper.
Quote from: Elantric on May 15, 2012, 05:45:27 PM
Damn Bill - that KPA doing a GR-300 is just amazing!!!
Who knew this would be possible ? I sure didn't!
Me either. GREAT stuff!
Dont sacrifice a GK!
Use very small alligator clips to jump.
Keep one grounded and the other on one or more of the inputs.
It does make a difference on what input you jump.
Listen first and that will tell you the best route.
Each string or channel is eqed for a specific frequency range.
Some sounds love the upper strings other lower.
LOTS of room for experimentation!
Most often I have found the first profile is the closest.
Not sure why, but refining has not made an improvement in this sort of profiling.
At lest to my ears.
Quote from: imall41 on May 15, 2012, 05:54:37 PM
Thanks Bill,
I will use care with the voltage,(I was already thinking, I would have to avoid sending that 7v back to the KPA).
I have a spare GK-3 I can sacrifice for the cause.
Have you been refining, after you profile (with patches s/a the GR-300), or just profiling, after setting up a sound you like on the VG?
My gut feeling was refining was not going to add much to this kind of profiling.
Thanks for the confirmation on that, and thanks for that GR-300 profile, Bill.
We're havin' some fun now!
PS,
I wasn't planning on purposely sacrificing a GK, only willing to accept it's demise, if necessary,
for the sonic advancement of my KPA(-:
The added suggestions are much appreciated, as is your never ending passion.
Oh, this is killing me. And to top it all off, I too have a spare GK, and I want to join in the fun! I think I'm just going to have to tell my wife tonight: I've got to order a KPA. Let the chips fall etc.
I wish I'd hung onto my EHX POG 2 a little longer. I suspect I could have done some interesting profiling through that before selling it.
QuoteI opened up a GK and tapped on to the circuit where the pickup comes in.
Be careful where you tap as there is voltage (+7 volts) in the GK which you want to keep away from the Kemper.
If you own an RMC Fan Out Box , you can use an external buffer( like any Boss pedal on bypass), and feed your stock guitar into any of the 6 possible GK13 signal paths. No soldering or disassembly required.
Bill, Stupid question but which inputs are tou talking about?
He's talking about trial and error of each of the 6 string inputs in the GK-3
Each signal from the GK-3 hex pickup feeds a separate input inside the VG-99, with a separate EQ and filter designed to accommodate the specific string for COSM Modeling.
Use the one that sounds best to you.
For creating a Kemper Profile, Bill is tapping into one of the six GK-3's string preamps, then feeding the VG-99's output into the Kemper and then letting the Kemper make a model of the VG-99 sound.
Bill Ruppert has been busy making profiles of his VG-99 presets with the KPA. Today he posted VG-99 Dobro and Acoustic Guitar sounds at the KPA patch exchange
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html)
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/kpa1.png)
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/kpa2.png)
Here is a quick mp3 of the metal body Dobro profile:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20Dobro.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20Dobro.mp3)
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on May 16, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
Here is a quick mp3 of the metal body Dobro profile:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20Dobro.mp3 (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10233188/Kemper%20Dobro.mp3)
Damn good! Thanks!
SOUNDS GOOD, AND FABULOUS PLAYING AS USUAL. THANKS PAUL
Amazing, I bet C. Kemper himself never though this could be done....
Oh man, that dobro is killer! Crazy!
These ideas take this already amazing product in a new direction!
Simply stunning how good that dobro sounds! Thanks for sharing, Bill!
Bill, you are a genius.
Trigger: pulled. You guys are quite a sales team. ;)
Wait we are not their payroll!
I hope you dig it.
Upgrade the firmware as soon as you get it and down load user profiles.
1300 or so which some people have zip up in one place to make it easy.
Most important DONT sell your VG or GR they are unique and mate with the Kemper great.
Quote from: mbenigni on May 17, 2012, 06:48:21 AM
Trigger: pulled. You guys are quite a sales team. ;)
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on May 17, 2012, 07:37:21 AM
Wait we are not their payroll!
I know it's important for you to keep that clear, hence the wink above. :)
QuoteI hope you dig it.
Thanks - me too! I have no rational justification for owning this thing, being as I can scarcely find more than an hour a week to play guitar lately. But the geek appeal is simply overwhelming.
QuoteUpgrade the firmware as soon as you get it and down load user profiles.
1300 or so which some people have zip up in one place to make it easy.
Will do. Do you know where I can find a current copy of that zip? All I see on the Kemper forum are the downloads for individual amps... very time consuming!
QuoteMost important DONT sell your VG or GR they are unique and mate with the Kemper great.
Good advice, and I will definitely be keeping my GR55. In many ways it's more practical for my current needs than the Kemper, but if I can use it as a footcontroller and outboard effects device with the Kemper providing improved amp tones, the two together will make a good "full fat" rig (with the GR55 alone serving as an on-the-go alternative.)
P.S. Trying to keep it together, but I'm slightly giddy right now. :D
Quote from: mbenigni on May 17, 2012, 08:04:33 AM
Will do. Do you know where I can find a current copy of that zip? All I see on the Kemper forum are the downloads for individual amps... very time consuming!
Here are a couple of threads on the Kemper Forum, with zipped files of rigs.
I don't think anyone has brought it totally up to date with every rig/profile available.
Just check the dates, and pick up where these leave off.
Some of this may be redundant.
You are, eventually, going to want to use the blank backup file, in one of the threads below, in order to load only the profiles you are using into the KPA, and keep all the rest saved on your PC.
There are reports of 2min boot times, when you have 1000+ rigs loaded in the KPA.
There is not much in the way of organization yet, but I have heard the next FW update may have an improved filing system of some kind, or at least may enable the "Perform" feature, which would keep your most used profiles in one place.
It seems, any kind of editor/librarian, is a long way off, but, except for the overwhelming number of profiles, the interface on the KPA is pretty darn cool, and easy to use.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4549 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4549)
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4530 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4530)
Till's cabs here
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3143 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3143)
Awesome. Thank you, imall41.
Yes, an actual mechanical interface with tone stack etc is nearly as exciting to me as the upgrade in tone!
Quote from: mbenigni on May 17, 2012, 08:51:53 AM
Awesome. Thank you, imall41.
Yes, an actual mechanical interface with tone stack etc is nearly as exciting to me as the upgrade in tone!
My pleasure :)
Here's an important rig pack from Andy, "and44", just in case it's not in any of those other zips.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4723&pageNo=1 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4723&pageNo=1)
Thanks for clueing me in on these forum threads. Just reading through Andy's post, I can see this is going to be fun! :)
In the thread link below, Bill Ruppert details his strategies for profiling VG-99 with the Kemper Profiling Amp.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4147&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4147&highlight=)
I am elated. :D
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QuoteI am elated. :D
Finally! ;)
Thats one fine rig there!
Quote from: mbenigni on May 19, 2012, 11:25:28 AM
I am elated. :D
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Sweet! ;D
QuoteFinally!
Seriously! What was I waiting for?!? Oh, right... $$$. :D
QuoteThats one fine rig there!
OMG, you said a mouthful. I am completely blown away. THIS is the promise I've been waiting on modeling amps/ software to deliver on (and occasionally pretending they
were delivering on) for the last 15 or so. All of the versatility, none of the lag, none of the (bad) low-pass boxiness. And the user interface is SOOO well thought out, I just can't get over it. Either Kemper is staffed by super-geniuses, or they focus-tested this thing into the ground. So simple, so clear, and so effective.
The only glitch I've discovered so far was a change in tone when I engaged the tuner, and sure enough, it was resolved with the firmware update. :)
By the way, Bill: already your contributions are invaluable. I NEVER would have expected an amp modeler/profiler to pull off instrument emulations like your Dobro and Banjo, and I doubt Kemper would have predicted it either. I also love that you're thinking outside the box and profiling ostensibly lower-end digital gear to good effect, e.g that Zoom acoustic patch is just lovely! (Closer to the "intended application", your Kay is a fave as well.)
Assuming the right patents are in place, I expect the inventor to become a very rich man by and by, if he isn't one already. I know the idea was already presented and kind of shot down above, but I actually agree that - when the time is right - these s/w algorithms will translate into a lower-end product with fewer features, h/w I/O etc, that can be sold to a broader market. When that time comes, look out Line 6 et al. Until then, I'm so happy to own the full-fat KPA. :)
Quote from: mbenigni on May 20, 2012, 06:02:23 AM
OMG, you said a mouthful. I am completely blown away. THIS is the promise I've been waiting on modeling amps/ software to deliver on (and occasionally pretending they were delivering on) for the last 15 or so. All of the versatility, none of the lag, none of the (bad) low-pass boxiness. And the user interface is SOOO well thought out, I just can't get over it. Either Kemper is staffed by super-geniuses, or they focus-tested this thing into the ground. So simple, so clear, and so effective.
(http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/smilies/beer.gif)
"Hear Hear"
Double ditto.
Congrats.
I am thrilled your happy!
Have fun and make great music!
Quote from: mbenigni on May 20, 2012, 06:02:23 AM
Seriously! What was I waiting for?!? Oh, right... $$$. :D
OMG, you said a mouthful. I am completely blown away. THIS is the promise I've been waiting on modeling amps/ software to deliver on (and occasionally pretending they were delivering on) for the last 15 or so. All of the versatility, none of the lag, none of the (bad) low-pass boxiness. And the user interface is SOOO well thought out, I just can't get over it. Either Kemper is staffed by super-geniuses, or they focus-tested this thing into the ground. So simple, so clear, and so effective.
The only glitch I've discovered so far was a change in tone when I engaged the tuner, and sure enough, it was resolved with the firmware update. :)
By the way, Bill: already your contributions are invaluable. I NEVER would have expected an amp modeler/profiler to pull off instrument emulations like your Dobro and Banjo, and I doubt Kemper would have predicted it either. I also love that you're thinking outside the box and profiling ostensibly lower-end digital gear to good effect, e.g that Zoom acoustic patch is just lovely! (Closer to the "intended application", your Kay is a fave as well.)
Assuming the right patents are in place, I expect the inventor to become a very rich man by and by, if he isn't one already. I know the idea was already presented and kind of shot down above, but I actually agree that - when the time is right - these s/w algorithms will translate into a lower-end product with fewer features, h/w I/O etc, that can be sold to a broader market. When that time comes, look out Line 6 et al. Until then, I'm so happy to own the full-fat KPA. :)
Good post on controlling the KPA with FCB-1010+UNO
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=35136#post35136 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=35136#post35136)
by "McRalfix"
QuoteUsing Behringer MIDI Pedal Board FCB1010 with UNO1.03 eprom (smartly pimped by iPhone) and KPA
Hi KPA Family, here are my next findings, perhaps useful for some of you.
As many of you I was missing Exp pedals for my KPA. So why not having a try with one of these solutions some of us use already.
So did I. Bougth the FCB and the latest UNO eprom and had my fun to find out, that these Exp pedals then had to be calibrated to send out midi signals again.
As you probably know, the UNO Chip is sold with a separate Editor SW which I highly can recommend; LG-FCB Control Center. I used it to make my first profile (see below).
Screenshot: Upper row fixed Stopboxes A/B/C/X/Mod Lower Row Prog#1-96 ExpA=Vol ExpB=Wah
Missing functions (rest of the stomps, del, rev, rot, tuner ..) I switch directly at the KPA or via my iPhone and the TB Tiny Midi solution and my KPA profile via my i-MX1 Yamaha interface
But for everybody who wants to startup with a solution and not with a challenge I will provide to you a suitable dump to start with.
Here the dump for LG-FCB Control Center or other solutions handling that format FCB UNO KPA profile.
And here the sysex dump file received by the free Java Editor Solution for the FCB1010
Ripwerx Editor voila FCB UNO KPA profile sysex file
Have fun.
Ben,
I know you have posted a review of the EV powered cab before - I assume you are feeding the Kemper's main left out to the Line input on the EV ?
IS that working well - Or is there a need for more external EQ?
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Quote from: Elantric on May 20, 2012, 08:30:39 AM
Good post on controlling the KPA with FCB-1010+UNO...
Foolishly, I just sold my FC-300, and for about half what I thought it was worth. :-[ I wasn't expecting to be using anything other than the GR55 for a good long while.
Ah well, the FC-300 was a beast anyway.
Quote from: Elantric on May 20, 2012, 08:56:14 AM
Ben,
I know you have posted a review of the EV powered cab before - I assume you are feeding the Kemper's main left out to the Line input on the EV ?
IS that working well - Or is there a need for more external EQ?
Hey Steve. I'm Marc actually. :)
I'm just running the Kemper left main out (balanced) directly to the EV, set to flat full range (vs. mid-cut and/or subwoofer compensated.) In my opinion it sounds (and FEELS) fantastic. When the volume goes up I sometimes reach to turn the Bass down on the amp model a touch, but this would be true of a real amp as well. I'm not getting the weird boominess that I heard when I was testing the GR55 through the EV.
Bear in mind that I'm no cork-sniffer, my experience with the specific amps in question is - with a few exceptions - minimal or nil, and so far I'm listening in a very live (bright, reverberant) room.
But I know when something sounds good, and this little rig just kills. Everything from smoky, jazzy Bassmans to singing Mark V leads... joy.
This kemper looks really good. A few questions remain:
How fast is it on changing rigs or tones? Are delays and reverbs cut off or do they sound out? Is there any dropout on patch change? There are a lot of video's out on the actual profiling and ABing tones. Not much on live use complete with FX. Is it usable live or not? Can any of you proud KPA owners let me in on these questions.
I have a question for imall41 (or anyone else who can answer): When I unzip these massive collections of profiles, do all of the kipr files have to be in the share folder on the thumbdrive, or will the KPA import search through subfolders (and if so, how deep?) It would be a pretty massive task to drag and drop through all of these mfr and model folders pulling out the kipr files.
Some of my attempts to import this weekend failed or partially failed, and I'm not sure if it's due to directory structure, or because of Windows 7 complaining about encryption support when I tried to unzip, or what. (I'm also a little confused about this __MACOSX folder that looks like it contains an exact copy of the other contents of the root folder.)
It may even be that I've already got all the profiles imported. I tried to be methodical but in the confusion w/ these errors I've lost track. Just being greedy for amps now. :D
A word of warning - if you load too many kipr files into your KPA using the USB thumb drive = it will take forever to boot.
Also there are remaining bugs if any of the kipr files are named with "&" or other extended ascii character.
I would take the time to read every post here:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Board&boardID=6 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Board&boardID=6)
Will do. I've got to take the plunge and start being active on that forum. I know a lot of my questions will be more appropriate there, but I've grown to trust you guys this past year!
Having said that... I've read conflicting opinions as to whether the majority of the boot time is actually attributed to loading the profiles. Seemed to me boot time was pretty long with even just the factory installed profiles, and if it's any longer now, well... hard to say how much so.
No matter for me: primary application for this KPA is sitting at home and drooling over how amazing it is - no rush. :) By the time I think of something more interesting to use it for, I'm hoping Kemper will have sorted out the Performance Mode, and with this, perhaps a faster, alternate boot process.
I have found the "fast track" to gaining knowledge of the Kemper - is to read all posts by trusted members of the Kemper forum.
#1 would be read all posts by Chris Kemper:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386570&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386570&highlight=)
#2 Read all posts by Bill Ruppert:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386573&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386573&highlight=)
#3 Read all posts by Senior moderator Guitarnet70:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386574&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386574&highlight=)
#4 Read all posts in the Troubleshooting section:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Board&boardID=6 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Board&boardID=6)
Do that and you will find that 99% of your KPA questions / problems will have already been covered and solved / answered.
Quote from: Elantric on May 21, 2012, 01:44:05 PM
A word of warning - if you load too many kipr files into your KPA using the USB thumb drive = it will take forever to boot.
Also there are remaining bugs if any of the kipr files are named with "&" or other extended ascii character.
I would take the time to read every post here:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Board&boardID=6 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Board&boardID=6)
Hey Marc,
Yeah, you have a lot of reading ahead of you, on the KPA forum.
I have only had a minute, or so, since reading your newest posts here.
Read this thread, and I will try and find more for you.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4957 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4957)
I gave you a heads up, about possible issues with too many profiles on the KPA, not to mention what Steve says about corrupt profiles locking up the KPA.
Go slow, be patient, I think they are very close to the next FW upgrade, that will include a fix for the corrupt profiles(ones with ampersands [&] in them).
As I said previously, the general consensus seems to be, to load small numbers of profiles (50, or so) ,(using that blank backup file), test them out, then remove them, and go through another batch.
It's a lot of work, but every one is saying that Total Commander is making it much easier, as it can open the zipped file so you can read, and organize them.
http://www.ghisler.com/ (http://www.ghisler.com/)
I will look for more threads to help.
EDIT:
I will add more here as I find relevant ones.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4905 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4905)
If you run into problems with the KPA, this page may help, as a reference,(This page is not Official, or Endorsed by Kemper).
http://www.soundside.de/support/KPARecovery.htm (http://www.soundside.de/support/KPARecovery.htm)
Quote from: Elantric on May 21, 2012, 02:25:17 PM
I have found the "fast track" to gaining knowledge of the Kemper - is to read all posts by trusted members of the Kemper forum.
#1 would be read all posts by Chris Kemper:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386570&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386570&highlight=)
#2 Read all posts by Bill Ruppert:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386573&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386573&highlight=)
#3 Read all posts by Senior moderator Guitarnet70:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386574&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?form=Search&searchID=386574&highlight=)
Do that and you will find that 99% of your KPA questions / problems will have already been covered and solved / answered.
+1000
This is exactly what I do.
YOU DEFINITLY WILL NOT BE SORRY :P
Will be back after I've done the required reading on the Kemper forum. I had, of course, already read the manual and reference manual front to back before it even arrived. :) I even like Kemper's writing style: a happy medium between Line 6's enthusiastic but occasionally adolescent "Dude, you're gettin' a POD!" tone, and Roland's 1980's-tech-writing-on-dot-matrix-printer-paper style, e.g. "06 DIST - Selects TYPE 06 of DISTORTION". (Erm... thanks, man.)
With regards to importing profiles, I guess I've been fortunate so far. I started greedily hoarding profiles almost immediately, doing several imports, including one that pulled 700+ amps and cabs in one pass. There were one or two incidents (with a much smaller batch, oddly enough) where it reported an error, but then got through on the next attempt. Otherwise, it has been rock solid.
The only issue I've had is the Browse knob has developed an odd click when I turn it. I was auditioning sounds, and I thought to myself, "man this knob is going to see a LOT of mileage, I wonder if it will last..." 30 seconds later it started clicking. Oh well, unless it gets much worse, or stops working altogether, it doesn't bother me any. I wouldn't be willing to part with this amp to wait for a replacement anyway. The warranty is generous, so good enough to take a "wait and see" approach.
FWIW
My browse knob now clicks as well.
My type knob does but less.
May be a break in thing as it does get used the most.
If you feel weird about it I would exchange it with the dealer as soon as you can!
Quote from: mbenigni on May 22, 2012, 05:54:40 AM
Will be back after I've done the required reading on the Kemper forum. I had, of course, already read the manual and reference manual front to back before it even arrived. :) I even like Kemper's writing style: a happy medium between Line 6's enthusiastic but occasionally adolescent "Dude, you're gettin' a POD!" tone, and Roland's 1980's-tech-writing-on-dot-matrix-printer-paper style, e.g. "06 DIST - Selects TYPE 06 of DISTORTION". (Erm... thanks, man.)
With regards to importing profiles, I guess I've been fortunate so far. I started greedily hoarding profiles almost immediately, doing several imports, including one that pulled 700+ amps and cabs in one pass. There were one or two incidents (with a much smaller batch, oddly enough) where it reported an error, but then got through on the next attempt. Otherwise, it has been rock solid.
The only issue I've had is the Browse knob has developed an odd click when I turn it. I was auditioning sounds, and I thought to myself, "man this knob is going to see a LOT of mileage, I wonder if it will last..." 30 seconds later it started clicking. Oh well, unless it gets much worse, or stops working altogether, it doesn't bother me any. I wouldn't be willing to part with this amp to wait for a replacement anyway. The warranty is generous, so good enough to take a "wait and see" approach.
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on May 22, 2012, 02:52:16 PM
FWIW
My browse knob now clicks as well.
My type knob does but less.
May be a break in thing as it does get used the most.
If you feel weird about it I would exchange it with the dealer as soon as you can!
No, definitely not a big deal - unless it stops working altogether, at which point I would assume either Kemper or Sweetwater would come through for me. I know how it goes, if I get all worked up about a detail this small, I'd just worry about a different one when the replacement showed up, and wonder whether I'd made a mistake. As it stands, I wouldn't have even noticed this as a "flaw" except that it happens to sound different turning counter-clockwise than it does turning clockwise. But...
really small potatoes.
I'll take this opportunity to thank you AGAIN for your profiles. Ran a couple of fiddle melodies this morning with your Dobro patch, then flipped over to the Django guitar and comp'd through the chord sequence for Goodbye Pork Pie Hat... LOVE both of these tones!!! :D 10 minutes to practice before work and I walked away smiling. Is the Django profile from your VG-99? Very, very nice.
"I wouldn't have even noticed this as a "flaw" except that it happens to sound different turning counter-clockwise than it does turning clockwise."
My type control does that exactly.
Its just the way they are!
Dont worry.
Thanks I am thrilled you are having fun with the patches!
Yes the Django is from the VG-99 AND sounds VERY much like it.
I was shocked.
Have fun!
(I am not sure of your name)
Bill
Quote from: mbenigni on May 24, 2012, 11:12:30 AM
No, definitely not a big deal - unless it stops working altogether, at which point I would assume either Kemper or Sweetwater would come through for me. I know how it goes, if I get all worked up about a detail this small, I'd just worry about a different one when the replacement showed up, and wonder whether I'd made a mistake. As it stands, I wouldn't have even noticed this as a "flaw" except that it happens to sound different turning counter-clockwise than it does turning clockwise. But... really small potatoes.
I'll take this opportunity to thank you AGAIN for your profiles. Ran a couple of fiddle melodies this morning with your Dobro patch, then flipped over to the Django guitar and comp'd through the chord sequence for Goodbye Pork Pie Hat... LOVE both of these tones!!! :D 10 minutes to practice before work and I walked away smiling. Is the Django profile from your VG-99? Very, very nice.
We need to rig up a way for the KPA to profile a real Roland GR-300
Quote from: Elantric on May 24, 2012, 11:53:29 AM
We need to rig up a way for the KPA to profile a real Roland GR-300
The oscillator side of the 300 in the VG-99 will not work.
SO a real GR-300 will never happen.
(http://www.joness.com/gr300/pics/GR-33B/GR-33B_BLOCK_LARGE.jpg)
For grins - why not have the KPA model a EHX POG and see what results?
While it may not duplicate the same sound, I still fell its worth some exploration as a path to broaden the KPA sonic palette -
QuoteFor grins - why not have the KPA model a EHX POG and see what results?
I posted to this effect earlier in this thread. Ironically, I sold my POG II in the effort to get enough cash together to buy the Kemper!
You could probably get dozens of interesting profiles out of a POG or HOG. Some of the functionality probably wouldn't work, but I imagine some of it would.
It will not profile pitch shifting.
I have tried.
If it did work I still would not post it:-)
QuoteIf it did work I still would not post it:-)
Understood! ;)
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on May 24, 2012, 12:18:05 PM
If it did work I still would not post it:-)
:D You wouldn't
really hold out on us would you??
I know it won't profile pitch-shifting per se, or anything else time-domain-based, but I wonder what it would do with extremely resonant gain stages that produce distinct harmonic overtones - for instance, the Fender Blender fuzz box. A friend of mine owns one, and that might be one of my first profiling experiments.
P.S. My name's Marc.
YES I WOULD ;)
Marc I would love to hear the Fender Blender!
Quote from: mbenigni on May 24, 2012, 12:44:04 PM
:D You wouldn't really hold out on us would you??
I know it won't profile pitch-shifting per se, or anything else time-domain-based, but I wonder what it would do with extremely resonant gain stages that produce distinct harmonic overtones - for instance, the Fender Blender fuzz box. A friend of mine owns one, and that might be one of my first profiling experiments.
P.S. My name's Marc.
I must make KPA models of my :
1996 Dan Electro "Fab Tone"
1972 Foxx Tone Machine
1968 Big Muff
1970 Maestro FuzzTone
I've wondered if it would profile my Mesa Boogie studio preamp decently since it's pretty much inputs, some tube stages and outputs - and it's got a spring reverb too.
But the secret recipe of that preamp, is the recording outs. The regular outs are fine but I've used the recording outs since 1991 or so since it really does seem to give that "real amplifier" sound.
And another thing I've found - start it up and it sounds great. But leave it on for a few hours when it's "warmed up" and it's almost like it's alive.
When I first started playing guitar I sometimes would play thru unconventional equipment for different sounds. I concocted a way play a guitar thru a phonograph preamp (stereo) to produce a warm overdrive I've never really heard anywhere else - I kept that thing for over 30 years just for that reason.
I just realized there's some other equipment I have I could profile that's nonstandard too. But first, I have to profile some money so I can create a bunch of it so I can get a Kemper of my own!
Yes that would be an easy one to profile with the record out....
That said have you not A/B,ed it death with the VG and come close??
I have a/b foot switches ALL over this studio.
I like the Polyswitch from T-rex as its stereo.
Quote from: aliensporebomb on May 24, 2012, 07:19:52 PM
I've wondered if it would profile my Mesa Boogie studio preamp decently since it's pretty much inputs, some tube stages and outputs - and it's got a spring reverb too.
But the secret recipe of that preamp, is the recording outs. The regular outs are fine but I've used the recording outs since 1991 or so since it really does seem to give that "real amplifier" sound.
And another thing I've found - start it up and it sounds great. But leave it on for a few hours when it's "warmed up" and it's almost like it's alive.
When I first started playing guitar I sometimes would play thru unconventional equipment for different sounds. I concocted a way play a guitar thru a phonograph preamp (stereo) to produce a warm overdrive I've never really heard anywhere else - I kept that thing for over 30 years just for that reason.
I just realized there's some other equipment I have I could profile that's nonstandard too. But first, I have to profile some money so I can create a bunch of it so I can get a Kemper of my own!
Yes, very close indeed. In fact, on a recent track someone on a forum mentioned that the studio preamp was sounding great and I had to break his heart and tell him it was the VG-99 and in fact I didn't even use the studio preamp on that track.
I could probably have a better way of A-B'ing it though - I've thought it might be faster to use The StuPre stereo outs into an audio mixer I have and the VG-99 outs into another pair of inputs and switch back and forth using the faders might be better. And then use the output of that into my studio monitors.
Hey I've got a red velvet Foxx Tone machine from way back in the 70's too. I heard one on "Big Electric Cat", and knew a friend of mine had one. He sold it to me for 25 bucks! Best fuzz pedal I've ever heard. I made a copy of it in my VG-88 including the octave up when you step on the pedal. It's actually really close when heard in a mix.
QuoteHey I've got a red velvet Foxx Tone machine from way back in the 70's too. I heard one on "Big Electric Cat", and knew a friend of mine had one. He sold it to me for 25 bucks! Best fuzz pedal I've ever heard. I made a copy of it in my VG-88 including the octave up when you step on the pedal. It's actually really close when heard in a mix.
Hey post that Foxtone patch in the new VG-88 patch exchange area please - I want to try it.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=122.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=122.0)
A/B by foot is much faster and keeps your hands on the guitar.
I would take the guitar out of the VG-99 into the pre amp and then just switch a mono ouput of each with a passive A/b box to your monitor.
They are dirt cheap and you can really tell fast how close you are.
When cloning a distorted sound I always strum all all the open strings at once and listen to the upper hash in the sound.
Its a give away to the foot print you are going for.
In other words you can hear all the notches in the sound.
Quote from: aliensporebomb on May 24, 2012, 08:28:05 PM
Yes, very close indeed. In fact, on a recent track someone on a forum mentioned that the studio preamp was sounding great and I had to break his heart and tell him it was the VG-99 and in fact I didn't even use the studio preamp on that track.
I could probably have a better way of A-B'ing it though - I've thought it might be faster to use The StuPre stereo outs into an audio mixer I have and the VG-99 outs into another pair of inputs and switch back and forth using the faders might be better. And then use the output of that into my studio monitors.
Cool tip, I'll try it. And yes, the upper frequencies is the key - I've found that the bottoms and mids aren't the hardest thing to get, it's that upper frequency curve.
Some of the patches I've uploaded here are like revision 2 of a patch I've worked on while the patch in my VG might be rev 7 or 8 by now. I get closer and closer with every revision and sometimes I stumble across something in an existing preset that lets me improve it further.
I figure the patches here serve as a good starting place for people to get their own programming chops going.
New KPA firmware 1.09 released today
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
KPA Operating System 1.0.9. Public Beta
Public Beta 1.0.9.7415
This public beta release addresses several issues and adds new features including additional factory rigs for your enjoyment. In order to install the new content, go to the SYSTEM menu and hit the soft button "Factory Rigs". The new rigs will amend the existing portfolio, nothing will be deleted or removed.
Additions and improvements:
- added: In Profiling mode, ON/OFF button mutes Direct Out signal
- added: New noise gate stomp: Gate 2:1 with ratio 2:1 (a soft expander)
- added: New noise gate stomp: Gate 4:1 with ratio 4:1 (a steeper expander)
- improved: The unit boots much faster now
- improved: Rotary Speaker stomp has been refined
- improved: Better S/R ratio in certain situations
Resolved issues:
- fixed: Several assertions have been addressed
- fixed: Deleting a loaded rig does not vanish on STORE/REPLACE anymore
- fixed: Sorting by alphabet is case insensitive now
- fixed: Sort by author/date works as expected now
- fixed: Rig, which name contains an ampersands ('&'), work as expected now
- fixed: First rig after powering up sounds as expected now
- fixed: Addresses an issue related to handling of multiple MIDI assignments to same rig
- fixed: Deleting the last preset doesn't cause occasional crashes anymore
- fixed: Load/Autoload works as expected when navigating using the rig key cross
- fixed: A issue related to hitting delete/yes in rig browser to fast has been addressed
- fixed: Deleting a loaded rig does not vanish on STORE/REPLACE anymore
Known Issues:
- New stomp gates are not downward compatible, get replaced by Wah Flanger during downgrade to 1.0.8 Release, but recover when upgrading again
- Alternative Input only functional for Stereo Loop
How long is the new startup time with this new firmware? It used to e soething like 2 minutes...
35 seconds now
Quote from: Elantric on June 07, 2012, 09:06:53 AM
35 seconds now
Or roughly 3733 notes for the shredders out there. (200 bpm / 60sec x 35sec x 32nd notes) ;D
Quote from: Elantric on June 06, 2012, 02:30:34 PM
New KPA firmware 1.09 released today
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
KPA Operating System 1.0.9. Public Beta
Public Beta 1.0.9.7415
Just in case this slipped by any KPA owners here.
(Update 06-08-2012: Beta 1.0.9.7415, has been replaced with Beta 1.0.9.7426.
"Note: This version is identical to version 7415 but addresses a stability issue introduced in the first release of 1.0.9")
post# 126 here, http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=37363#post37363. (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=37363#post37363.)
Anyone who downloaded 1.0.9 before,approx 12:30pm EST yesterday, 06/08/12, did not get this new version 7426.
Also, not listed on the KPA download site under "improved", is, "you can now import rigs without re-booting".
post#4 here,http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=36942#post36942 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=36942#post36942)
QuoteAs I said previously, the general consensus seems to be, to load small numbers of profiles (50, or so) ,(using that blank backup file), test them out, then remove them, and go through another batch.
Hi imall. Thanks again for all of the info in your post above. Unfortunately the links to search forum threads by author don't work anymore (they must have a time limit), but I'm catching up on reading as best as I can.
Meanwhile, a question: is there somewhere on the Kemper forum where I can down a blank (no profiles) backup file? I tried to restore to "Factory Rigs" and I was surprised to find that it just merged the rigs in the firmware into my existing collection.
This site explains how to do a full reset of the KPA
http://www.soundside.de/support/KPARecovery.htm (http://www.soundside.de/support/KPARecovery.htm)
Erase the internal flash memory
Note: ALL the rigs will be erased during this procedure!!
Switch the main knob to off
Hold the left/top soft-key above the LCD
while still holding this key - switch KPA to tuner
Maintenance Module will be started
In the 'Maintenance' menu goto 'Memory'
Use Memory FormatFlash and InitFlash
Check if the KPA works (booting, tuner)
Resinstall your rigs - I recommend to just install the stock rigs - in case you have corruped rigs on your USB stick
Load additional rigs - check if all rigs work
Check all the KPA settings
Quote from: mbenigni on June 11, 2012, 11:26:53 AM
Hi imall. Thanks again for all of the info in your post above. Unfortunately the links to search forum threads by author don't work anymore (they must have a time limit), but I'm catching up on reading as best as I can.
Meanwhile, a question: is there somewhere on the Kemper forum where I can down a blank (no profiles) backup file? I tried to restore to "Factory Rigs" and I was surprised to find that it just merged the rigs in the firmware into my existing collection.
Here is the empty backup file.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49933432/2012-04-11%2015-48-41.kpabackup (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/49933432/2012-04-11%2015-48-41.kpabackup)
Thanks very much, guys. Quick service around here!
Elantric, this:
Quotecheck if all rigs work
...is a tall order at the moment. :o
I am at over 1400 profiles now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had too much time on my hands this last weekend, so, now I have a zip file with every rig from the Kemper download site.
This file is up to date as of the time of this post.
The file has 1331 rigs, including Kemper's Rig Pack 1, and the 20 new rigs in 1.0.9.
Don't click on the link below unless you want the file, it will begin to download.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70847083/KIPR%20files.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70847083/KIPR%20files.zip)
Edit: 06-14-2012
Updated the above download-- Removed a stray Flac file that was in there :P, and added all rigs up to the Edit date.
Also added Andys Classic Rig Pack, which was never uploaded to Kempers Rig Share site.
The file is much smaller now that I removed that Flac file.
(New total, 1,476 rigs)
Wow -Thanks!!!
Quote from: Elantric on June 11, 2012, 03:36:07 PM
Wow -Thanks!!!
No, Thank you,for all the work you put into this forum !!!
I wish I could contribute more, but I am just a "Grunt", with only a nano-fraction of the technical knowledge that abounds on these pages.
So, wherever I can, I attempt to "pay it forward".
THANK YOU SO SO MUCH ;D
imall, this is a BIG help. Can I assume that this zip file includes everything that I got from the 3 pages you linked to in your post on page 9 of this thread? Rigs, cabinets, profiles, and the whole shebang?
I'm going to load the blank backup now, try to wrap my head around the Kemper factory profiles, and then start going through the contents of your zip. Thanks again!
Quote from: mbenigni on June 11, 2012, 06:01:20 PM
imall, this is a BIG help. Can I assume that this zip file includes everything that I got from the 3 pages you linked to in your post on page 9 of this thread? Rigs, cabinets, profiles, and the whole shebang?
Yes and no :-\
That zip has all the rigs from the download page of the Kemper website, (up to, the date, and time of my post).
I also added the rigs from the Kemper Rig Pack 1, and the 20 new rigs added with FW 1.0.9.
The keyword here is "Rigs".
There are other zip files floating around on the forum with just cabs.
These cabs are probably all on my zip, but they are attached to rigs, and can be separated and saved as cab only.
Some forum members were saving cabs, and sharing that file,to save others time.(Tills,"tylerhb" has a zip with all his cabs, as does andy,"and44")
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3143 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3143)
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4723 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4723)
I hope this makes sense.
Quote from: imall41 on June 11, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
I had too much time on my hands this last weekend, so, now I have a zip file with every rig from the Kemper download site.
This file is up to date as of the time of this post.
The file has 1331 rigs, including Kemper's Rig Pack 1, and the 20 new rigs in 1.0.9.
Don't click on the link below unless you want the file, it will begin to download.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70847083/KIPR%20files.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70847083/KIPR%20files.zip)
Thanks so much!
Thanks I now have 1500 files on my Kemper to audition, shame 90% are so rubbish. Is there a way do delete the current patch, if there is I can't see it!
Yes rotate the browser knob and delete is the left soft button.
Before you delete change the cabinet.. I have thought profiles were bad untill I changed the cab and it blew me away!
Quote from: imall41 on June 11, 2012, 06:49:07 PM
Yes and no :-\
...
I hope this makes sense.
Thanks, imall. That makes perfect sense. Still reeling trying to think of a way to properly audition all of this "content", though. Just spinning through the rigs as they stand would take more time than I can find. Start mixing amps and cabs and hearing it all is too much to even consider.
It doesn't help that there is no consistent naming convention for rigs in terms of amp mfrs vs. models vs. user's application (e.g. song or genre). I wish that, in addition to selecting by name, author, or date, you could also search by amplifier "tags". (In every other metadata scenario, this is the
whole point of tagging.) Just trying to size up a KPA Vox AC15 vs. some of my other gear is enough to make my head spin. There are
dozens of KPA Vox AC15's! True of every amp I can think of... not sure how to make the best choices.
Thanks for the quick answer shall be deleting all evening :)
Lee
I use a program called Total Commander.
It lets you open up the backup and delete from your computer.
FAST!
Rigs,cabs everything is in their own folder.
Re:
QuoteI wish that, in addition to selecting by name, author, or date, you could also search by amplifier "tags". (In every other metadata scenario, this is the whole point of tagging.)
The KPA reference manual states:
QuoteYou don't have to fill in all of the tags, but the more you do, the easier it will be to find a specific rig later on.
But it doesn't go on to say anything about HOW it will be easier. Am I missing something? I would love to be able to search by amp model, for instance. Of course the problem would remain... people submitting profiles would have to be reasonably thorough and consistent in providing amp model names.
I'm tracking down the details on this:
Line6 FBV controlling the Kemper
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/FBV_KPA1.png)
IMPORTANT WATCH THIS:
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByEy3TP2-5BwaVNNejB3SVpRU0ttMGhEdDg5dkxrZw/edit?pli=1 (https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByEy3TP2-5BwaVNNejB3SVpRU0ttMGhEdDg5dkxrZw/edit?pli=1)
The above video is a MUST WATCH for all KPA owners.
At first I thought it reveals using an XML Editor to view KPA presets, but it turns out to be a "front end" app to configure an Arduino board which allows a Line 6 FBV to control the KPA.
Its in german -
Could anyone who speaks German do me a favor and translate the German explanation screens into English?
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/XML_KPA1.png)
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/XML_KPA3.png)
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/XML_KPA4.png)
====
On the Kemper Forum - here is the thread
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3187&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3187&highlight=)
<member mDan wrote>
This is the configuration software for the FBV - KPA converter. You can load a backup file into the FBV so have Presetnames, Effectstates synced etc.
I will post more once I know more details - seems the JAxeline xml app that runs on OSX is a "front end" for configuring a custom Arduino MCU board that translates Line6 FBV NRPN commands into MIDI CC# message to control the Kemper.
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Kemper%20Profiling%20Amp/FBV_KPA2.png)
Quote from: imall41 on June 11, 2012, 03:18:07 PM
I had too much time on my hands this last weekend, so, now I have a zip file with every rig from the Kemper download site.
This file is up to date as of the time of this post.
The file has 1331 rigs, including Kemper's Rig Pack 1, and the 20 new rigs in 1.0.9.
Don't click on the link below unless you want the file, it will begin to download.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70847083/KIPR%20files.zip (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/70847083/KIPR%20files.zip)
Edit: 06-14-2012
Updated the above download-- Removed a stray Flac file that was in there :P, and added all rigs up to the Edit date.
Also added Andys Classic Rig Pack, which was never uploaded to Kempers Rig Share site.
The file is much smaller now that I removed that Flac file.
Updated Rig Zip. Found a stray Flac file in there, and added rigs,(new total,1,476).
Read the quote above,(bold text at bottom).
Awesome, thanks!
Thanks Imall!
OS 1.1.0v2 Public Beta available for download,
Resolved issues:
- Changing rigs does not produce a click noise anymore
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5218 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5218)
Kemper goes Lo-Fi ;)
Check out this Octavia clip from Bill Ruppert!
http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-jimi-octavia (http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-jimi-octavia)
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5257&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5257&highlight=)
Bill Ruppert wrote>
Kemper Fender Rhodes Electric Piano
Kemper Fender Rhodes Electric Piano
I just up loaded two profiles inspired by the Fender electric piano.
The effects use a compressor to even out the attack and envelope filter to produce a dark tone with a hard attack when hit hard.
A frequency shifter acts as a tremolo and a second frequency shifter adds the metallic bell overtones of the electric piano tone bars.
Play with your fingers for the best keyboard sound.
Below are two sound clip examples.
1. A R/B Rhodes sound
http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-rhodes-rb (http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-rhodes-rb)
2. Led Zeppelin "No Quarter" sound
http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-no-quater (http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-no-quater)
(http://www.fenderrhodes.com/img/models/mark1a/suitcase88.jpg)
That's terrific! But what makes it seem "Rhodes-like" is the playing - lots of pianistic idioms (played with the fingers) really fools the ears!
QuoteBut what makes it seem "insert name of instrument here" is the playing
BINGO!
That is the crucial element which most newbie MIDI guitarists or Guitarists attempting to sound like a different instrument do not understand.
You must have a good understanding of the chord voicings that keyboard players employ, or the known physical properties and range of the instrument tone being emulated and try to clone that approach on the guitar fingerboard, or playing technique.
As Always - 90% of your tone is in your fingers.
This is something many guitarists do not understand, and a large part why Bill did not share his VG-99 patches.
Mostly because the majority here would download the "Mellotron Cello" patch, then play SRV pentatonic blues riffs and then bitch and complain:
"Why does this not sound like Bill's VG-99?"
Which breeds rage, and Bill did suffer a bit of that type flack back in 2009.
Life is too short, so Bill moved on to greener pastures.
Quote from: Elantric on June 18, 2012, 10:44:39 AM
BINGO!
That is the crucial element which most newbie MIDI guitarists or Guitarists attempting to sound like a different instrument do not understand.
You must have a good understanding of the chord voicings that keyboard players employ, or the known physical properties and range of the instrument tone being emulated and try to clone that approach on the guitar fingerboard, or playing technique.
As Always - 90% of your tone is in your fingers.
This is something many guitarists do not understand, and a large part why Bill did not share his VG-99 patches.
Mostly because the majority here would download the "Mellotron Cello" patch, then play SRV pentatonic blues riffs and then bitch and complain:
"Why does this not sound like Bill's VG-99?"
Which breeds rage, and Bill did suffer a bit of that type flack back in 2009.
Life is too short, so Bill moved on to greener pastures.
That's exactly it.
What I really like about Bill's demos is that they work as pure music - he's a musician/arranger/programmer who just happens to play the guitar. Very well I might add. Being a session guy, he's got every idiom down cold.
When I was younger, I had a (probably naive) goal to "learn all of the instruments of rock" - that goal came about when I was something like 8 or 9 years old. And I'm 48 now so it didn't happen overnight. I started out on drums in the public school system but used that skill later, moved over to keyboards, then finally to guitar. Bass was sort of a subset of guitar but I play it differently than a guitar since it locks in with the drums.
So one side of me thinks "yeah, I want to play crazy lead guitar stuff..." but the other side of me goes "That's well and good but what I really want to do is to write and arrange tunes that are interesting for cool guitar to lock in with". Lots of shred guitar albums had great playing but some of the silliest music ever recorded. They paid so much attention to detail to playing really fast arpeggio sweeps that few of them actually upped their composition to the level of their playing.
I've always had an enormous music collection so "learning by example" I learned pretty quick what "doesn't work" for some instruments versus others. It's fun to try to play a bass solo as fast as a lead guitar but for a listener it isn't much fun unless you're a fan of Stanley Clarke. Or doing crazy Jan Hammer keyboard stuff is great but there's a certain "rock accompaniment keyboard voicings/sound" that is part and parcel of it.
Timbre of a particular instrument and how it responds can dictate how you play it. Mellotron? You've got eight seconds and playing it fast does it a disservice!
When I did my solo album in 2010, I had to think carefully about all the parts and how they went together - you can listen to it for free over here as there are lots and lots of VG sounds on it:
http://aliensporebomb.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-aliensporebomb-special-edition (http://aliensporebomb.bandcamp.com/album/this-is-aliensporebomb-special-edition)
Go ahead and stream it, you don't have to buy anything - the whole thing is streamable.
QuoteThat's terrific! But what makes it seem "Rhodes-like" is the playing - lots of pianistic idioms (played with the fingers) really fools the ears!
Yes, every time I hear one of Bill's incredible patches or Effectology demos, it makes me wish I had all of the gear in question, but moreso, that I had tablature for all the parts... and a fraction of Bill's talent.
One example: I've been trying to get the feel from the awesome VG99->KPA Dobro 2 profile. I risk embarrassing myself with this question, but Bill, is that two guitar parts overdubbed? One with slide and one without (i.e. picked)? It doesn't help that I don't know the first thing about playing slide, but I absolutely can not get that feel with slide alone. I love this tone and this little clip you recorded, and I've been a little obsessed with it. :)
The Rhodes is really exciting, too! My dream (though probably not feasible for the moment) is a convincing acoustic piano derived from an electric guitar signal with straight DSP. That, a cello, and a string section and I'd be done with MIDI, probably.
Bill Ruppert wrote>
QuoteThe Kemper Banjo Effect
Here is something fun to start the week off.
The Kemper Banjo Effect.
It is uploaded on the Kemper exchange site now.
Experiment with your pickups.
I used a Ibanez Jem with the in between pickup sound.
Here is a sample clip:
http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-banjo-effect (http://soundcloud.com/bill-ruppert/kemper-banjo-effect)
You all come back now, ya hear!
Bill Ruppert
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-juK9J9yKM8s/TgNVOaupWbI/AAAAAAAAHdY/pTgkFIa62oI/s1600/Banjo1.jpg)
i WILL DEFINETLY GIVE THAT A TRY THIS WEEKEND :P
Here is TB MIDI stuff controlling the Kemper profiling amp
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=31375#post31375 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=31375#post31375)
Mr McRalfix wrote>
KPA control via MIDI using Alesis IO Dock or further MIDI Interfaces, Apple iPAD and TB Midi Stuff App
Good news for Alesis IO Dock and MIDI iOS Interface user, who want to control the KPA via MIDI,
I just finished my 1st midi control template for the IOS iPAD App TB Midi Stuff .
Please follow this link to the TB Midi Forum for iPAD
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9ITCSjnqQ4U/T5RktUOYgCI/AAAAAAAABfk/wRdymPWLbTw/s912/Foto%25202.PNG)
for iPhone
http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=60&sid=bd3c11617329c5c4b8be82051ab45497 (http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=60&sid=bd3c11617329c5c4b8be82051ab45497)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-cU439eQYaec/T5Rks7JM9LI/AAAAAAAABfc/fxTdFjHZYyw/s912/Foto%25201.PNG)
http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=61&sid=9d09b2d36803b05a7fac5fb131f4da5e (http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=61&sid=9d09b2d36803b05a7fac5fb131f4da5e)
It´s not as nice as a pedal solution but useful if the iPAD is nearby while the KPA is far away in your rack.
But the App could be used too, to make a Prototype for the expected KP Pedalboard.
Have fun and good luck. McRalffix
Advanced MIDI Features for KPA
KPA Advanced MIDI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2ADmCsjMTo#ws)
From the first mention of the KPA having NRPN mapping to virtually all functions, I began asking for documentation. We're almost there!
Yes Haw!
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on June 28, 2012, 12:31:31 AM
From the first mention of the KPA having NRPN mapping to virtually all functions, I began asking for documentation. We're almost there!
Yes Haw!
bd
I'll be waiting to hear about any new documentation. The video above is cool in that you can see the rotary encoders on the KPA responding to the iPad in realtime, but I'm actually more interested in being able to control all of the parameters that are off-screen (on the KPA) at any given point in time, e.g. deeper params on individual stomps/fx.
Quote from: musicman65 on June 28, 2012, 12:31:31 AM
From the first mention of the KPA having NRPN mapping to virtually all functions, I began asking for documentation. We're almost there!
Yes Haw!
bd
I already posted a question to this effect on the Kemper forum, and on mDaniels YouTube page, but in case someone here happens to be in the know...
Is there a way to control KPA
Gain via MIDI? I'm hoping for a simple CC# (vs. NRPN etc.) so I can map this to GK Volume. (The GR55 would allow me to re-map the CC#.) Some of the KPA amp profiles would be adaptable enough to get you through an entire set if you could work this out.
Thanks!
This thread seems to have the most detailed info on KPA MIDI control
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3187&pageNo=1 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=3187&pageNo=1)
Here is an updated list including new CCs introduced in public beta 1.0.3
Complete list of MIDI control change numbers (CC#s)
#1 Pedal 1 (Wah Pedals)*
#7 Pedal 2 (Volume Pedals)*
#16 Stomp Invert**
#17 Stomp A
#18 Stomp B
#19 Stomp C
#20 Stomp D
#23 Stomp X
#24 Stomp MOD
#26 Delay (mute trails)
#27 Delay Mix (keep trails)
#28 Reverb (mute trails)
#29 Reverb Mix (keep trails)
#30 TAP
#31 Tuner select
#33 Rotary Speaker (slow/fast)
* since operating system 1.0.1 public beta
**since operating system 1.0.3 public beta
For further details regarding MIDI operations please refer to the KPA Reference Manual, which you can download from our support page.
I wish they would hurry up with the NRPN doc. I'm losing my faith with them day by day. I have $4k in gear waiting to be integrated into my next system...but can't do what I need without NRPN.
MDan said soon...I'm waiting.
bd
QuoteI wish they would hurry up with the NRPN doc. I'm losing my faith with them day by day. I have $4k in gear waiting to be integrated into my next system...but can't do what I need without NRPN.
Same here - my hunch is C Kemper is hesitant to release the complete KPA MIDI spec, over fear of loosing sales of the official KPA Foot Pedal due in 2 months
Meanwhile my KPA stays home, while the "stunt double" goes to gigs.
SAme here >:( . I really want to start using it out. Elantric you just may be right, regarding the Kemper pedal
Quote from: mbenigni on May 21, 2012, 06:44:54 AM
I'm just running the Kemper left main out (balanced) directly to the EV, set to flat full range (vs. mid-cut and/or subwoofer compensated.) In my opinion it sounds (and FEELS) fantastic. When the volume goes up I sometimes reach to turn the Bass down on the amp model a touch, but this would be true of a real amp as well. I'm not getting the weird boominess that I heard when I was testing the GR55 through the EV.
Hi Elantric. I was running the KPA through the ELX112 last night, and I thought again about your question regarding EQ. I've since changed my mind about the best settings for the ELX with the KPA: I prefer it with hyped/ mid-cut setting engaged, along with the high-pass filter that's intended for use with a subwoofer. It's probably not the most precise way to tame the lows (master EQ on the Kemper would likely be better) but it gets me in the ballpark very easily.
Anybody else using the SPDIF out on the VG99 to the KPA SPDIF input? I'm losing sync for a few seconds when switching patches. The KPA switches profiles via MIDI sent from the VG99. If I switch profiles on the KPA only, it still crackles and pops even when the VG99 remains on the same patch.
Any suggestions would be appeciated.
bd
Try contacting Chris Kemper
Seems there must be a SPDIF re-sync routine on each KPA patch change on the Kemper - perhaps a KPA firmware upgrade could solve this
Quote musicman65>
Quote
Guitar modeling is nothing new. As mentioned before, profiling involves input stimulus which isn't possible on a passive instrument so modeling may be the only way... and both Roland and Line6 are in that game already.
I play a custom built Strat with Roland Hex pickup in addition to the normal 5 way single coil setup through a Roland VG99. The guitar modeling uses the analog signal from the GK hex pup and models other instruments. Comparing my real Strat tone to the modeled tone reveals very little difference, most of which I attribute to the characters of my particular instrument. I run the VG99 in front of the KPA through SPDIF and can change guitar models and alternate tuning on the fly.
I've been gigging with a VG99 rig since 2007. The KPA has vastly superior tone so I am migrating to a VG/KPA hybrid rig. It's not for everyone but works for me. I suspect nobody could pick modeled from real guitars listening to a live performance. The acoustic models are outstanding IMHO.
bd
Thanks Elantric. Lol...Seems I am being cross forum quoted!
I have contacted Kemper support to start a ticket. My main reason for asking here is to see if the VG99 has any issues. If it does, I'm screwed because we'll never see an update for our beloved VG99. I feel strongly that the re-sync is happening on the KPA.
I'll keep ya posted on my findings.
bd
QuoteTry contacting Chris Kemper
Seems there must be a SPDIF re-sync routine on each KPA patch change on the Kemper - perhaps a KPA firmware upgrade could solve this
Seems there may be a solution in the works
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=44456#post44456 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=44456#post44456)
CKemper wrote>
QuotePlease accept my apologies!
In an earlier thread, as well as in some support emails! I oversaw that the problem is about the Spdif input.
I have tested the Spdif output multiple times and could not find a flaw.
The Spdif input will be fine in the next firmware.
CK
In the mean time use a 1/4 cable.
It works great.
Your input source is a analog magnetic pickup mounted to your guitar.
Its a raw crap analog signal.
That said, its a BEAUTIFUL signal that the 1/4 analog out will reproduce it just as well as the SPDIF.
The source is what it is.
Use analog it will not get BETTER down a digital line.
Bill,
yes, the 1/4 TR jack sounds the best! But...I am running a VG99 in front of the KPA so I want the modeled guitars/analog GR synth tones as well as mag pups as input. I already use the VG99's 1/4 TR guitar out (pin 7 signal) to the KPA front input...works great. I don't care for the 2-cable hookup from guitar to rig as the tone loss is slight and correctable.
There are 3 ways I've tried to achieve VG99 guitar modeling to KPA input:
1. Run VG99 L/mono out of the VG ---> KPA front input.
not very versitile, can't run VG99 patches that way.
2. Run VG99 L/R Stereo ---> KPA Loop Inputs
allows full VG99 patches to run through the Stereo FX Loop
alows VG99 modeled and mag pup guitar through the pre-amp loop (mono, very noisy, insert is post noise gate)
3. Run VG99 SPDIF out ---> KPA SPDIF input
allows VG99 modeled and mag pup guitar through the guitar input (pre noise gate)
combined with method #2, full VG99 patches run through the Stereo FX Loop
best option I have found
So...my hookup is as follows:
mag pups via VG99 guitar out ---> KPA front input
modeled and mag via VG99 SPDIF out ---> KPA SPDIF in
full VG99 patches via VG99 L/R 1/4 TR mains ---> KPA Stereo loop inputs
When the firmware update fixes the SPDIF sync issue, I'm all set.
bd
A picture (although poorly drawn) is worth a thousand words...
QuoteWhen the firmware update fixes the SPDIF sync issue, I'm all set.
Agreed!
Although I'm tempted to order one of these DACs and and try it with the VG-99's SPDIF Output -to convert it to an analog signal to feed other gear, like the KPA, or anything else.
Since the VG-99's SPDIF Digital Output is re-routable and can be set to "tap" the signal directly from the COSM guitar output point in the internal VG-99 signal flow, many creative options may be realized - almost as good as having an assignable FX Send Output in the VG-99
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/VG-99/VG-99_spdif_OUT.png)
FiiO D3 Digital to Analog Audio Converter With Micca 6ft Optical Toslink Cable - 192kHz/24bit Optical and Coaxial DAC - $25http://www.amazon.com/D3-Digital-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B005K2TXMO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343737946&sr=8-1&keywords=dac (http://www.amazon.com/D3-Digital-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B005K2TXMO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1343737946&sr=8-1&keywords=dac)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/7107R-fv1RL._AA1280_.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61pqRgdYkXL._AA1280_.jpg)
Since neither the KPA nor the VG will slave its digital I/O clock, I don't see how this can work.
Ahhh I understand!
Quote from: musicman65 on July 30, 2012, 11:46:20 PM
A picture (although poorly drawn) is worth a thousand words...
Quote from: drbill on July 31, 2012, 06:59:00 AM
Since neither the KPA nor the VG will slave its digital I/O clock, I don't see how this can work.
It works...I just hooked it up and selected the spdif input option on the kpa and it sounds exactly identical to the analog guitar out from the vg99 into the kpa front input. I believe both devices are 44.1k only so maybe thats the reason it works.
As Elantric said, the spdif (called "digital out") can be selected to send cosm guitar A or B, main out, mixer A or B, Sub out...all set per patch. It's the ultimate front end to the kpa! I'm gonna love this new setup.
bd
Quote from: Elantric on July 31, 2012, 05:34:07 AM
Agreed!
Although I'm tempted to order one of these DACs and and try it with the VG-99's SPDIF Output -to convert it to an analog signal to feed other gear, like the KPA, or anything else.
Since the VG-99's SPDIF Digital Output is re-routable and can be set to "tap" the signal directly from the COSM guitar output point in the internal VG-99 signal flow, many creative options may be realized - almost as good as having an assignable FX Send Output in the VG-99
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/VG-99/VG-99_spdif_OUT.png)
Awesome find. This solves my kpa sync issue even if Kemper doesn't. The fact that it adds an additional analog L/R out to the vg99 is enough reason to get one. Awesome!
Too bad the GR-55 lacks SPDIF...
I'll let you know how it works...ordering now.
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on July 31, 2012, 08:11:19 PM
It works...I just hooked it up and selected the spdif input option on the kpa and it sounds exactly identical to the analog guitar out from the vg99 into the kpa front input. I believe both devices are 44.1k only so maybe thats the reason it works.
The sample rate isn't the issue. I'd like to understand why you're not getting clicks & pops because I don't see how the clocks could be synced.
QuoteThe sample rate isn't the issue. I'd like to understand why you're not getting clicks & pops because I don't see how the clocks could be synced.
All SPDIF PCM signals transport an embedded clock, which a DIR IC can receive and extract the embedded sample rate clock.
Here is one example:
http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4116/ak4116_f03e.pdf (http://www.asahi-kasei.co.jp/akm/en/product/ak4116/ak4116_f03e.pdf)
Since both VG-99 and KPA run at the same sample rate (44.1kHz), when the KPA's SPDIF Input is selected, the VG-99 becomes the master clock generator for the KPA.
Chris Kemper has already posted that the next KPA firmware rev will provide a more stable SPDIF Input connection.
It works right now, but there is an anomaly of 3 seconds distortion at each KPA patch change - this will be corrected and fixed next KPA firmware rev.
OK, thanks for the info!
Quote from: Elantric on July 31, 2012, 05:34:07 AM
Although I'm tempted to order one of these DACs and and try it with the VG-99's SPDIF Output -to convert it to an analog signal to feed other gear, like the KPA, or anything else.
Since the VG-99's SPDIF Digital Output is re-routable and can be set to "tap" the signal directly from the COSM guitar output point in the internal VG-99 signal flow, many creative options may be realized - almost as good as having an assignable FX Send Output in the VG-99
Damn that is EXACTLY what i have been looking for. Has anyone tried it? or something similar?
Quote from: cell7 on August 01, 2012, 04:14:09 PM
Damn that is EXACTLY what i have been looking for. Has anyone tried it? or something similar?
Just ordered. Mines in the mail. I'll report back Monday or Tuesday when I get back from vacation.
bd
Quote from: drbill on July 31, 2012, 10:51:22 PM
The sample rate isn't the issue. I'd like to understand why you're not getting clicks & pops because I don't see how the clocks could be synced.
Everything I read refers to the KPA's output being 44.1k Master only. I suspect the input is a 44.1k Slave. I can't find anything to confirm this. It does work without issue...until you switch patches, then there is 3-5 seconds of pops and sputtering. Mr. Kemper says it will be fixed in the next FW release. I trust him.
bd
Quote from: cell7 on August 01, 2012, 04:14:09 PM
Damn that is EXACTLY what i have been looking for. Has anyone tried it? or something similar?
I don't have a KPA, but I've played around with digital out to a tc electronics m300 (as a DAC) to an Evolver. That sounds great. The m300 is overkill for a DAC; I'm interested in what people think of the sound quality of the fiiO.
Robert
QuoteChris Kemper has already posted that the next KPA firmware rev will provide a more stable SPDIF Input connection.
It works right now, but there is an anomaly of 3 seconds distortion at each KPA patch change - this will be corrected and fixed next KPA firmware rev.
Latest KPA update corrects the above issue:
Update: KPA Operating System 1.1.1 - Public Beta 1.1.1.7641
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
"- fixed: an issue related to noise on SPDIF IN while switching rigs has been addressed"
Yep. V1.1.1 fixed the SPDIF sync loss issue. I am a Happy Kemper now!
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on August 01, 2012, 05:38:27 PM
Just ordered. Mines in the mail. I'll report back Monday or Tuesday when I get back from vacation.
bd
any update on the FiiO D3 converting the SPDIF to analog audio from the vg99?
Quote from: cell7 on August 14, 2012, 01:49:32 AM
any update on the FiiO D3 converting the SPDIF to analog audio from the vg99?
I received mine but Kemper fixed their issue so I didn't test it. I'll hook it up and report back when I get back home this weekend. Remind me if I forget!
bd
Is it just me, or is the "Kemper-amps.com" site Down?
I can't load it in my browser.
Also having a lot of trouble with the Kemper Forum.
If anyone could confirm this is not just my connection, I would be appreciative.
Thanks(-:
Yes - the Kemper site is down
I suspect they have a server down, and a few key Kemper IT folks are on Holiday break.
I expect they will get this fixed and back up online soon
Quote from: Elantric on August 15, 2012, 12:26:58 PM
Yes - the Kemper site is down
People do not believe me when i tell them in Europe - they traditionally take all of August off as a holiday. (yes 31 days off with pay)
I suspect they have a server down, and a few key Kemper IT folks are on Holiday break.
I expect they will get this fixed and back up online in a day or two.
Thanks for the confirmation (-:
FYI - Kemper Amp Forum is back up online now.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Index&s=f9a015dce32a0f356c246bb2d05013ae65136c88 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Index&s=f9a015dce32a0f356c246bb2d05013ae65136c88)
That explanes It ! ??? I was trying to find out why , when I did the latest update the operating system loaded fine but the new Rigs didn't load ??? :-[ :-[ :'(
Premier Guitar Mag review of the KPA
http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2012/Sep/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier_Review.aspx (http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2012/Sep/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier_Review.aspx)
Just got one back a few weeks ago( after returning the 1st one in May) and even though the performance mode isn't done and there still isn't a good programmer or librarian, I can't be happier 8) :P
Profiler MIDI Parameter Guide (NRPN) is now available.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=48815#post48815 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=48815#post48815)
Awesome - thanks imall!
I'm a little concerned about this, though:
QuoteThe MRPN has a definition flaw: It allows for either sending both #6 and #38 (in this order) or only sending #6 for lower resolution. But the definition does not tell how the receiver would know whether to wait for a #38 following and fine tuning the #6 or immediately perform the parameter change with the advent of #6.
This is why we have changed the NRPN definition a bit by reversing the order of #6 and #38.
If #38 is received it will memorized until #6 is received - both values will be combined to a high resolution value (14 bit). If #6 is received without a precedent #38, it will be interpreted a low resolution value (7 bit).
This is really good thinking on Kemper's part, but I suspect it will present a compatibility problem with software designed to send standard NRPN messages, e.g. TB MIDI Stuff.
Thanks This will be very helpful
Has anyone had any success changing a parameter in the Kemper via NRPN? My early tests have failed and I'd like to have some feedback - either from Kemper or from someone who's confirmed it works - before I go on taking shots in the dark.
More details on my efforts here:
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=49469#post49469 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=49469#post49469)
TB MIDI Stuff - Use Ipad / Iphone to control your Kemper via NRPN MIDI commands
QuoteHi,
this s a page with advanced controlling with nrpm midi.
You find Gain, rig volume, a,b,c,d,x,mod,delay,reverb ...
Have fun
Ralf
http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=94&sid=51946b3f4117e190102961f15139627b (http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=94&sid=51946b3f4117e190102961f15139627b)
and
http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=60&sid=d76062df52379e74ce2cf85734e0cecc (http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=60&sid=d76062df52379e74ce2cf85734e0cecc)
Thanks, Elantric. I tried downloading one of those tbms files last night but when I loaded the page it came up blank. ??? Not sure what's up with my iPad and TB; it's very unstable. Fabien was sending me betas back when we were working together, and I must have lost track of what version I had installed. (And now I can't use AppStore to update because I never actually payed for it...)
Anyway, still plugging away at a simple proof of concept, maybe to implement in TouchOSC, maybe TB. It looks like I might have just neglected to set my KPA MIDI Channel properly. Beyond that, do you see any issues with the following MIDI sequence to set NRPN? This example is for Amp Gain:
QuoteB3 62 0A
B3 63 04
(B3 26 00 - optional, have tried with and without)
B3 06 yy (where yy varies 0-127 per input)
Last question: what are you using for an adaptor with TB? Camera Connection Kit? Thanks again!
The creator of the TB Stuff KPA MIDI template says the Alesis MIDI Dock actually works.
And I asume you saw the reply on the KPA Forum that sorted out the 14 bit NRPN message format for the KPA?
Quote from: Elantric on September 18, 2012, 07:37:12 AM
The creator of the TB Stuff KPA MIDI template says the Alesis MIDI Dock actually works.
Is that what you're using? Are you personally running this template at all? All I have on hand are the Missing Link and CCK.
QuoteAnd I asume you saw the reply on the KPA Forum that sorted out the 14 bit NRPN message format for the KPA?
Yes, but it wasn't actually helpful. I'd already tried that sequence in addition to the one I posted. He just called me out on high-resolution vs. low-resolution formats - both of which are supported by the KPA. Hopefully it will just turn out to be the matter of MIDI Receive Channel on the Kemper.
I finally got things sorted. It turns out the KPA MIDI Parameter Guide that outlines supported NRPN sequences and defines the pages and addresses of each parameter is riddled with errors - primarily confusion between MSB and LSB of both addresses and values. This probably only impacts users, who are programming NRPN by sending discrete CC messages. I take it software that supports NRPN "out of the box", like TB MIDI Stuff, works OK, since folks have already had success.
Details here if you're curious:
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=49669#post49669 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=49669#post49669)
Seeing as I am allready here,Quick questian,befor I go to the Kemper forum. Has anyone here experienced, having there Kpa either :just shutoff ( as if you had unplugged it)and refused to turn back on, or after turning it off it refusing to turn back on just a few minuits later. It has happened to me twice since I got this second one 30 days ago. It will turn back on after about 15 minutes. ???
Yikes!
Mine still takes 45 seconds to boot up, and I would not want to have to wait that long if it should crash mid song.
I do know that the KPA requires very clean , stable AC Mains voltage. I use a battery backed UPS AC supply with my Kemper.
YeaH! That would suck. I havent timed it but the boot time does seem to be faster with latest software. I have it on a Monster surgeprotector , And both times none of my other equipment had an issue. Re:Eleven Rack or GR55 or Fcb1010.
Sweetwater has said they will send a new one, but I hadn't heard this as an issue.
But the battery backup is a great idea I will definitly get that.
I've got a TouchOSC template on deck for the KPA now. It exposes all of the functionality Kemper revealed in the NRPN doc mentioned above. Of course, this is pretty limited - Kemper makes no mention of SysEx to rename or store rigs, for instance.
The template is nothing fancy to look at. (The KPA itself is much simpler than the GR55, so this project is nowhere near as involved as the GR55 template was.) But I am pretty excited about being able to tweak the most common amp params (vol, gain, eq) and all of the effects in my chain on one page. The "Chain 1" and "Chain 2" screen caps tease this idea, although neither are quite complete. (I realized that a single chain including ABCD and MOD would be better for me, and all the stomps need to incorporate their corresponding global controls - mix, etc.) But the point is, you can have multiple Chain pages customized to suit your own needs.
The template is about 90% functional now. Anything with a red label has a known problem - pretty much all of the "type" and on/off switches are borked. And I have to circle back around and label values extensively. (This will be easier for KPA than for the GR55, where the sheer number of controls was starting to bog TouchOSC down.) Effects are color-coordinated to correspond with the lights as documented in the Kemper Reference guide, and everything is as big as possible for ease of use. I've done some unconventional things, i.e. ganging Gain/ Volume and Treble/ Presence on XY pads. This is kind of an experiment, and I may reverse on one or both if it doesn't pay off.
I'll post the touchOSC file when this is a little more robust.
I look forward to trying this out -
Since I do have a KPA and a Missing link and an Ipad - perhaps I can be the beta tester
If you're willing to beta test, all the better. See attached. This version requires the KPA be set to Omni or MIDI Ch. 11 (as per "this amp goes to 11".)
As I said, known issues with anything labeled red. (Red controls with white labels are fine, and generally correspond with distortion/gain per the Kemper convention.) Also, the only stomp page I have personally tested is Stomp A. The rest, including stomps on the Chain page, I just copied and pasted and changed the address pages. This version hasn't even made it onto my iPad yet. Anyone downloading this, use at your own risk.
I included a screenshot of a more practical (IMO) Chain page setup. Chain 2 is left blank in the template. All you need to do to create your own custom configuration is copy the effect block from the corresponding stomp page onto Chain 2 and reposition as needed. (If you use stomps other than A B C D and MOD, and expect to use the global mix, volume, and stereo controls at the bottom of the page, you may need to adjust their address pages as well. I can help if anyone gets that deep into it.)
The biggest outstanding issue right now is the selection of stomp "types".
KPA Operating System 1.5.0 Public Beta
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://"http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html")
QuotePublic Beta 1.5.0.7769
This public beta release addresses several issues and adds new features including selective preset browse and extensive routing options for the output section.
added: output source selection parameters in Output Section and output presets
added: Selective Browse of amp, stack, and cabinet
added: new Control Change #s can be controlled via expression pedal:
added: copy & paste for text editing
added: reception of Midi clock does enable tempo
changed: increased performance on import
changed: backups do contain the current rig and lockings now
changed: browse control timeout increased to 4 seconds
changed: SPDIF improved
changed: improved Pick parameter
fixed: after reboot, the MIDI volume gets reset to maximum
fixed: local presets and selective browse presets can be loaded while sections are locked
fixed: dialogs are better visible
Known Issues:
- Downgrade to some older Firmware (e. g. 1.1.0 Release and 1.1.1 Public Beta) will cause a hang, which can be overcome by a reset of global settings (push and hold the SYSTEM button, while starting the unit). If you need to recover your global settings, please create a backup before you downgrade and restore afterwards.
- After scrolling through MIDI PrgChg#s on page 5/8 of the System menu and selecting another PC# without assigning it, no PC# will get displayed on the main screen. However the original PC# is still functional.
- When changing filter or sort criteria the Midi PC# of the actual rig disappears from the display, but the PC # is still functional.
mbenigni,
sorry for no update on the beta test of your KPA TouchOSC template -
My personal schedule feels like I'm on a toboggan sled ride with no free time until Jan, 2013, with nearly every hour already pre-booked
BUT
This news regarding another KPA TBStuff Wireless remote looked interesting
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=6333&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=6333&highlight=)
==
McRalfix posted:
Quote1st usage
1. Just take your iPad
2. load TB Midi Stuff and
3. one of the KPA templates.
4. Take a USB (e.g. printer) device cable and connect it to "The Missing Link" and the USB Port on the KPA (it works some time with built in accu)
5. in the TB Midi Stuff Menue "Application Settings" enable "The Missing Link" and allocate Midi In/Out to The Missing Link WiFi Out/Input
6. Connect the iPad WiFi Signal to "MissingLink" Hotspot
7. Restart TB Midi Stuff
and you are done.
(http://db.tt/L1STmlvm)
(http://www.wifimidi.com/MissingLinkProductPhoto425.jpg)
==
This caught my eye:
QuoteTake a USB (e.g. printer) device cable and connect it to "The Missing Link" and the USB Port on the KPA
Wow!
This implies the KPA USB port supports USB Class compliant MIDI I/O ?
That would be big news!
Quotesorry for no update on the beta test of your KPA TouchOSC template -
My personal schedule feels like I'm on a toboggan sled ride with no free time until Jan, 2013, with nearly every hour already pre-booked
No problem. I've been too busy to put the necessary finishing touches on the template - assuming they are even possible. There are some controls that are failing even though they adhere to the documentation, which leads me to believe the documentation is inaccurate or the features are not properly implemented in the current f/w. (Which is really just two ways of stating the same problem.)
If I can't get all of the "type" switching sorted out, I will probably just arrive at templates that are purpose-built for my own favorite selection of effects, with really huge controls for each single effect on pages A, B, C, D, etc.
The TB MIDI Stuff template looks really cool, but I'm not sure if you can drill down to change effects parameters. It looks like it will just turn them on or off.
Inside the KPA
disassembling the Kemper Profiling Amplifier (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=867iDz9A-7E#ws)
konstinger wrote>
QuoteHey Folks!
Like the most of you, I really love my KPA and what I can do with it.
But due to the fact that I'm not that happy with the current form factor, I would like to start a discussion how things can get better.
I did this small Video to take a closer look what's really inside the unit and to boost your imagination what would be possible with what is needed and what not.
Here are my ideas:
- without any changes to the electronics and the controlling concept the KPA would easy fit into a two space rack-drawer using a few screws and holes (without topcover, frame and with slanted control panel) I'm really thinking of doing this!
- I'm shure if you cut down the amount of direct controlling from the front panel, the KPA would even fit into one rack space
- And what about a KPA stomp box without profiling, with minimal control, mono IN, stereo OUT, midi IN, USB and external power supply
... tell me what you think!
greetz Konsti
I like this:
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/KPA_CPU_zpsd88e17be.png)
CPU datasheet
http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/LPC2468.pdf (http://www.nxp.com/documents/data_sheet/LPC2468.pdf)
;D Played my first gig with my KEMPER and my GR55, controlled by a FCB1010 . I can only say it was wonderful. I have never had that much flexability of "tonal nirvana" in the nearly 50 years I have been playing. ; 8)
Playing in a cover band it gave me the ability to cover nearly every tone neccessary from 50's Rockabilly to Alice in Chains and 5 Finger Death Punch :P
Quote from: musicman65 on July 31, 2012, 08:23:19 PM
Awesome find. This solves my kpa sync issue even if Kemper doesn't. The fact that it adds an additional analog L/R out to the vg99 is enough reason to get one. Awesome!
Too bad the GR-55 lacks SPDIF...
I'll let you know how it works...ordering now.
bd
sorry to bump this again... did anyone get the spdif to analog converter to work out of the vg99? I got one myself before finding out it was 48khz only [and therefore useless], but before i exchange it I just wanted to find out if this actually works?
Kemper fixed the SPDIF input issue so my VG99 works directly with the KPA. I threw the adapter in my cable box in case I ever need it.
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on October 22, 2012, 07:07:18 AM
Kemper fixed the SPDIF input issue so my VG99 works directly with the KPA. I threw the adapter in my cable box in case I ever need it.
I ordered the FiiO D3 today anyway so I'll give it a test when it arrives...
QuoteI got one myself before finding out it was 48khz only
Not sure what you mean by this?
The FiiO D3 supports 32kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz 96kHz, 192kHz - and should work well with either VG-99 or KPA SPDIF Out.
http://www.amazon.com/D3-Digital-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B005K2TXMO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350923129&sr=1-1&keywords=FiiO+D3 (http://www.amazon.com/D3-Digital-Converter-Optical-Toslink/dp/B005K2TXMO/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1350923129&sr=1-1&keywords=FiiO+D3)
Quote from: Elantric on October 22, 2012, 09:27:01 AM
Not sure what you mean by this?
The FiiO D3 supports 32kHz, 44.1kHz, 48kHz 96kHz, 192kHz - and should work well with either VG-99 or KPA SPDIF Out.
sorry i wasnt clear - i originally got some generic POS digital to analog converter that i thought was the same thing as the FiiO, but it turns out it was locked to 48k [it was all that was easily available in Amsterdam]. Anyway, i have returned it and ordered the real thing. Looking forward to tapping a COSM output and sending it to my outboard chain for some extra sonic weirdness :)
Update - received and tested the FiiO D3 and Im happy to say that it is very well built and it works perfectly with the spdif out of the vg99. So now we essentially have an extra stereo [or 2 x mono if you want] chain that can go to your outboard gear. I am running it straight from the COSM A [after alt-tuning etc] and then into pedals etc before mixing together with the vg99 etc at a small behringer 10 channel mixer. So... I know that this could also be done with the sub outs of the vg99, but for some reason i want to leave those free for flexibility.
Did i mention this thing is made well? for 30-odd euros! It is tiny, metal cased and it is powered by micro-usb from a tiny wall-wart [or in my case sharing from the same power as my ipad and iphone]. It works as soon as its plugged in. As far as i can tell, sound quality is excellent, but there would likely be a delay of a few microseconds due to the DA conversion so it needs to be processed before mixing back in with the vg99 signal or else you will get some phasing...
A question for those if you who have modeled a personal amp. In the third party videos, I can almost always hear a specific common difference between the original amps and the Kemper in the obligatory blind listening test. The more official Kemper videos don't have the same difference. Is this because they aren't refining the model as much as needed? I assume it would be even easier to hear in person.
Is it possible to tweak the amp gain, attack, EQ, etc. some more after refining, to get it to the point where you might not be able to tell if you are playing through the Kemper or an amp you know very well?
If any of you have a suggestion on where to get a Pro deal on a Kemper, please send me a PM. I'm getting ready to sell off some redundant gear, and if enough of it goes away before something else shiny catches my eye, I think one is in my future :)
If you've been sworn to secrecy,or just don't wanna say, no problem. if I can save money and also give someone you like some business, I would like to do that.
You can hear the difference in some (there are some terrible profiles out there), but that's usually due to peoples difficulty with mic placements etc... It's the click as the channels change that makes people so sure they can tell the difference, with a decent profile and a double blind test(maybe switching on desk fader instead of inside kemper) I'm not so sure. The very fact that you need an expensive pair of studio monitors/headphones and high quality recordings to tell the small amount of difference that exists should speak volumes.
The biggest difference is in the recording/monitoring technique used in "real" Kemper videos vs home users.
The really bad videos often have a camera with mic "in the room" with the amp and KPA played back through monitors whereas Kemper always compares the mic'd amp to the Kemper with both going through a recording console.
Yes, the KPA has many parameters that can be tweaked to taste after profiling and refining. I generally perform minor tweaks because my mic and room are not ideal.
bd
Updated user created KPA wiki Tips & tricks guide
https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9n6vg2kn90kw2u/Gianfranco%20Di%20Mare%20-%20wiKPA%202012%2011%2015.pdf (https://www.dropbox.com/s/i9n6vg2kn90kw2u/Gianfranco%20Di%20Mare%20-%20wiKPA%202012%2011%2015.pdf)
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5336&highlight= (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5336&highlight=)
New FW 1.5.3 available today. Stability release. Nothing major.
bd
THANKS FOR THE UPDATE. PAUL
Well, it's official- I'm joining the fun!
A black Kemper is shipping today, with my address on the label. Thanks for all the above info - I really appreciate it:)
CONGRATULAIONS ,YOU'LL LOVE IT. 8)
PLUS IT PLAYS NICE WITH THE GR55 :P
Thanks! I think I'll be up very late Thursday night :)
I have a Question:
when you take the dry signal from a piezo on a acoustic guitar, and the output of a mike in front of that same guitar, can the Kemper make a profile out of it? If it were possible, this would be much more interesting for me than cloning an amp.. It would supersede the Fishman Aura.
You could make your own "Aura" image that way, with your own mikes and stuff, with your own guitar and not some preset.
I'm just curious..
Quote from: paults on November 27, 2012, 07:37:37 PM
Thanks! I think I'll be up very late Thursday night :)
I can pretty much guarranty that will be the case ;D
Quote from: Guitarpolson on November 28, 2012, 01:50:08 AM
I have a Question:
when you take the dry signal from a piezo on a acoustic guitar, and the output of a mike in front of that same guitar, can the Kemper make a profile out of it? If it were possible, this would be much more interesting for me than cloning an amp.. It would supersede the Fishman Aura.
You could make your own "Aura" image that way, with your own mikes and stuff, with your own guitar and not some preset.
I'm just curious..
No, I'm pretty sure that will not work. The KPA needs an amp eith input and output to make a profile. An acoustic does not have an input.
A Kemper forum member asked for screen caps on DropBox, so I put my KPA touchosc file up there, too.
This is still not ready for prime, apologies. The on/off switches are still broken, as are the (very necessary) effect model selection controls. I was trading emails with a programmer at Kemper for a while, but we never came to any real conclusions as to the cause. I suspect there are some outstanding f/w bugs pertaining to the NRPN implementation. Still, if you're interested in experimenting, most other controls work, and these can be helpful in fine tuning stompboxes, reverb, etc.
Use at your own risk of course. The broken effect selection faders sometimes yield unexpected results, e.g. a silent rig, but I find all is well if I navigate off the rig and then back to it. In other words - obviously - you don't want to save a rig that's gone dead.
I'm still trying to determine how much of this is going to be valuable. I need to add rig navigation controls, but I might ditch the effect selection controls simply because there are so many potential values for each slot. Variations of this template suited to specific effects chains (with working on/off buttons) will probably work out as the best compromise.
Screencaps:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m0gr9m3xt33yjn2/sRSNVN0P-P (https://www.dropbox.com/sh/m0gr9m3xt33yjn2/sRSNVN0P-P)
TouchOSC file, warts and all:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/8d9br5ew4fodxgx/KPA%20on%20ch11.touchosc (https://www.dropbox.com/s/8d9br5ew4fodxgx/KPA%20on%20ch11.touchosc)
The Kemper can do more than just the best amp sounds I've heard from anything that doesn't have hot glowing glass :)
I've been playing around with the effects, and have come up with a couple of Rigs that sound more like synths than guitar amps.
They have absolutely no tracking delay, whatsoever :)
https://soundcloud.com/pshamell/vowelcellodoosynth-kpa-kemper (https://soundcloud.com/pshamell/vowelcellodoosynth-kpa-kemper)
https://soundcloud.com/pshamell/vowelotron-kpa-kemper (https://soundcloud.com/pshamell/vowelotron-kpa-kemper)
BTW - (Please excuse the sloppy playing - I was making this up, as I played it.)
Paults. very cool 8) Sunday I was fooling around with the effects , but didn't come up with anything nearly as cool as these profiles. Thanks
Nice! That cello is pretty convincing in the lower register. I'm always looking for good strings (pref. without MIDI ghost notes!) Do you think you'll be uploading that profile to the Kemper Exchange?
Thanks for the compliments!
Yes - I put both profiles on the Rig Exchange. Considering the number of user profiles I've been working my way through, it's the least I can do:) The tech heritage of the Kemper really shows in the tweakable range of the effects and filters, including those esoteric amp and cab parameters. Not only is this thing great at its intended use, but some serious sound mangling can be done, too.
So, Download them, make them better, warp them into something else, and post your improved profiles:)
Kudos to Bill Ruppert for posting a Kemper "Mellotron flutes "work in progress" example on SoundCloud. Hearing it made me wonder about using the Kemper to approximate the few synth sounds I use at live shows. If I had only heard amp sound examples from the Kemper, I wouldn't have been so quick to abuse the parameters that led to these profiles (and several other sounds with good potential for more tweaking) I'm finding approximations of many classic analog synth sounds, as well as being able to use filtered vowel sounds as oscillators.
The sheer fun in being able to play these kind of sounds with absolutely no concern about tracking speed (or musical taste, as displayed in the sloppy cello and synth wank at the end of the Vowelcellosynth ) and being able to control so much parameter interplay with playing dynamics (without needing to manually assign all the parameters) makes this feel like some futuristic ultra-reponsive VG device that doesn't even need a hex pickup.
If you would like a slower or faster attack range on the cello for a particular piece of music, in addition to parameters you would expect, look at the reverb - it provides some of the "scrape of the bow" attack response. As is, playing harder pushes across the threshold of the effects faster than . That's why legato playing is smooth, but the fast hammer-ons don't get lost.
I'm getting close to a more "violinish" profile (imagine one that doesn't glitch, no matter how fast you play), as well as hints of Hammonds and String Machines.
Quote from: paults on December 11, 2012, 01:29:17 PM
Yes - I put both profiles on the Rig Exchange.
Thank you!
QuoteIf you would like a slower or faster attack range on the cello for a particular piece of music, in addition to parameters you would expect, look at the reverb - it provides some of the "scrape of the bow" attack response.
And thanks again; I'm not sure I would have thought of this.
QuoteI'm getting close to a more "violinish" profile (imagine one that doesn't glitch, no matter how fast you play), as well as hints of Hammonds and String Machines.
Please keep us posted, this all sounds very useful.
Now if only we could nail an acoustic piano without a hex pickup, all would be right with the world. :)
The sustain pedal might be the hardest part
Although, it is hopefully possible to assign a momentary switch as the expression pedal, and use it to momentarily activate a sustaining compressor.
Regardless of the piano idea:
An expression pedal, in parallel with a momentary switch would be a really good "dual use" controller for the Kemper's dedicated input jack - there would be no need to assign multiple CC numbers.
I hadn't even considered a sustain pedal. Even if it were limited to parts that you could play by sustaining "manually" (i.e. on the fingerboard) I'd be happy. I'd just like to nail the timbre and percussive ASDR characteristics somehow. I've never really considered piano to be realistically obtainable without a sampler/synth triggered by MIDI. Please someone prove me wrong! :)
I uploaded a few Marshall Silver Jubilee profiles, in case the hundreds of available Marshall's aren't enough. Mine have the master up all the way, the clean a little over half, and the gain about 4. The profiling noises were more than a little oppressive when I did that :)
http://soundcloud.com/pshamell/marshall-silver-jubilee-2553 (http://soundcloud.com/pshamell/marshall-silver-jubilee-2553)
Paul
So now that you're making your own profiles, what are your thoughts on your original question: "I can almost always hear a specific common difference between the original amps and the Kemper in the obligatory blind listening test". Are you satisfied with the likeness?
I haven't made any profiles yet. With the exception of one bass amp, I don't really have anything in the house that warrants it, and I'm guessing I don't have the mics etc to yield profiles as good as the ones I can simply download.
Marshall profiles sounds good, I'll give it a try later.Thanks Paul
Thanks! I uploaded a couple profiles with subsituted cabinets - they sound better to me than the casually mic'ed original cabinet. This quick and dirty profile does sound more like my amp than the other Jubilee profiles. My knob settings are different than all the ones used for the PT profiles.
Before doing this, I was accounting that "sound difference" in some of the user A/B comparisons to things like mic quality, positioning, etc. But, the metaphoric lightbulb tells me this:
Regardless of mic placement, capturing the exact same sound the mic is receiving at a given moment is all about adequate Refining. Taking the time to get the Kemper to sound as much as possible like the line in signal is what removes more of the differences in the really good profiles.
I did very little (30 seconds of chunking and ringing chords), and there is some harshness/fizz in the profile beyond what those 75 watt Celestions deliver.
I've been gleaning profiling tips from the Kemper board to use from this point forward. I'll redo the Marshall, with my preferred V30 2-12 slant cabinet. I may do something smaller first - I'll need to be the only one at home when I blast those sounds through the Marshall :)
Looks like Kemper will introduce a rack mount of the KPA at Namm:
QuoteWe have redesigned the Kemper Logo and created a new location for it ...
(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/205966_586420511374276_1591886797_n.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps)
And a new rear mounted Power Amp too
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=586501518032842&set=pb.184583711557960.-2207520000.1358359118&type=3&theater (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=586501518032842&set=pb.184583711557960.-2207520000.1358359118&type=3&theater)
(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/36525_586501518032842_416812621_n.jpg)
They also have a new Cab Maker 1.0 Impulse Response Utility application that runs on Windows/Macs to upload third party Cab IR profiles too.
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Looks like they listened to their customers.
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/26015_586539894695671_1385047946_n.jpg)
(http://www.ictw.de/sdog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Kemper-Profiler-Rack.jpg)
I prefer the old version, as I would really miss the omission of the "Mod" Rate and Speed" knobs - judging by this pic of the Rack version.
Looks like the Kemper rack unit will sell at around Euro 1500 or about $2,200.
Glad I got the old version last year - was able to save some $$$
I LOVE the old lunchbox look!
And yes I would miss the extra mod knobs.
I love the old lunchbox look as well. I see this as a win win for all. Many were yearning for rack mount. Now some may sell their lunchbox unit and 'upgrade'. I hope the used lunchbox prices will go down following this news so I can grab one.
Maybe they will blow the old ones out at reduced cost? Please?
QuoteI'm not sure i like the idea of having to send my KPA back to Kemper to add the new power amp,....
I agree - its totally lame. But this may be the "official line" due to some Euro / CE standard when dealing with high voltage / high current products such as installing a 600 watt Power Amplifier.
We do live in a world of litigation - The original Ampeg company went bankrupt in the early 1970's due to some kid reaching in the back of his amp and getting killed by a jolt of 450Volts DC. So there is cause for Kempers "in house / return to factory for Power Amp upgrade" strategy.
I personally love the look of my "Electric Lunchbox" after nearly 30 years, I'm rather sick of the looks and the hauling around of racks. My last small rack rig was still 8 spaces.
Quote from: Elantric on January 16, 2013, 01:08:24 PM
Glad I got the old version last year - was able to save some $$$
Me too! $2200 is definitly getting out of my wheelhouse :-[
Yes, this kinda sucks that its not an easy retrofit :'(
I realize the Kemper new design is more practical for the traveling musician but that "old ham radio look" was really cool I thought. Also, the power amp is a nice feature but for a guy who mostly does recording these days the original would be a better deal.
Only if the new one had some "higher bandwidth modeling" would I consider the new one and the new one is so expensive right now I don't see it happening.
Still, it looks awesome.
OMG
Steve really?
The SVT's did have 450v plate voltage , I know!
I had many ham radio pieces of gear with that voltage
Did some kid really die?????
Quote from: Elantric on January 16, 2013, 04:33:09 PM
I agree - its totally lame. But this may be the "official line" due to some Euro / CE standard when dealing with high voltage / high current products such as installing a 600 watt Power Amplifier.
We do live in a world of litigation - The original Ampeg company went bankrupt in the early 1970's due to some kid reaching in the back of his amp and getting killed by a jolt of 450Volts DC. So there is cause for Kempers "in house / return to factory for Power Amp upgrade" strategy.
The RULE was at the time when working on gear with high voltage you ALWAYS kept your left hand in you pocket.
That way you never grounded you self.
That works for everyone but a kid.
I got thrown on the floor a few times by high voltage!
The other crazy thing was radio burns..
When we ran the transmit power at 1000 watts and above you had a risk of RF burns.
I got many!
You touch a part of the antenna at that power and it burns a small hole in the skin and travels along the bone!
It HURTS like a bitch!
Oh the old days.....
Quote from: merman93
I would much rather carry a my Kemper bag, guitar gig bag, my GR55 bag, a gym bag with a univibe, octavio and wah, and a tech 21 PE or 2, than when I had to load in/out 2 Marshall heads, 2 cabs, 6 and 4 unit rack anvil cases, and 3 guitars,...whew. I can get my gear and a girl in my Acura now, but needed a van just for my shizzat in the 80's. Over time everything got smaller, except my belly.
That'a an accurate statement in every way. Paul
QuoteI'm not sure i like the idea of having to send my KPA back to Kemper to add the new power amp,....
Isn't there another company that's already shipping a modular power amp ("Camplifier" maybe?) you can slot into the empty space in the back of the lunch box, and connect via simple 1/4" cables? A little less elegant - and I think it was significantly less power - but it has the benefit of being removable when you don't need it. And no trip to Kemper for installation required. Sometimes I like having that empty space in back to hide an outboard effect pedal, or a MIDI Solutions Event Processor, or whatever's useful for a specific application.
IMHO - All the "KPA" power amps" are Euro centric and not cost effective for USA owners.
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=56087&highlight=camper#post56087 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=56087&highlight=camper#post56087)
http://blueamps.de/page7.php (http://blueamps.de/page7.php)
For less $$, just buy a EV ELX112P for $500 USD and have a nice FRFR at 1000watts
The new KPA with 600 watt Power Amp @ $2730 - thats a bit too rich, even for my blood - more than I paid for my 1st new Chevy in 1974. Of course my brand new '73 Les Paul was around $499 back then too - but I have my limits!
FWIW - my KPA + Two EV ELX112P's (for stereo) was around $250 less than the new KPA with 600 watt Power Amp and does far more.
QuoteFor less $$, just buy a EV ELX112P for $500 USD
That's precisely what I did. :)
Of course, I'm not going to pretend that it sounds/feels quite like a 4x12 driven by a more traditional power amp. But if I were going to give up (or look for an alternative to) the convenience, flexibility, and affordability of the FR solution I'm using now, I'd probably go for a tube power amp anyway - something too big and too hot for this form factor. Maybe look for a used Mesa 2:90 or something like that.
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on January 16, 2013, 09:11:16 PM
The RULE was at the time when working on gear with high voltage you ALWAYS kept your left hand in you pocket.
That way you never grounded you self.
That works for everyone but a kid.
I got thrown on the floor a few times by high voltage!
The other crazy thing was radio burns..
When we ran the transmit power at 1000 watts and above you had a risk of RF burns.
I got many!
You touch a part of the antenna at that power and it burns a small hole in the skin and travels along the bone!
It HURTS like a bitch!
Oh the old days.....
My father-in-law was a former radioman in the Merchant Marine and was an engineer at radio stations in the u.s. after the second world war and he had interesting stories about rf burns and the like. The power tubes for the station he worked at near me were immense! I visited the station he worked at (unbeknownst to me at the time) when I was in the cub scouts in the 1970s and you could put a light bulb up to the window next to the transmitter banks and a light bulb would illuminate all by itself with no visible means of attachment the rf was so intense! He also had a story about some guy living near the station who wired up his attic to draw power off the transmitters to run his small appliances - guy got busted after he figured out what was going on!
I don't see how capturing stray RF could be considered stealing. That's what all antennas do! Besides the radiated energy couldn't be "recaptured" by the station.
bd
Dream rig for live...Moog E1-M, Roland VG 99, Kemper Profiler Rack, Muse Receptor 2+ Pro Max ( loaded with Spectrasonics Omnisphere 1.5 ). Wow!!! I am sooooo anxious to purchase the Kemper. I already own the rest, except the Muse, but I have Omnisphere on a MacBook Pro, so that will have to do, but interfacing the effects from the new Muse, into the Kemper loop, seems like a dream unit, even if just for "straight" guitar. Does anyone have experience with the Muse Receptor 2+ Pro Max? Would it be "better" than depending on a Mac Book Pro? Thanks in advance!!!
Quote from: thebrushwithin on January 18, 2013, 10:30:51 AM
Does anyone have experience with the Muse Receptor 2+ Pro Max?
Sorry, no experience with it at all I'm afraid. However, I notice that it costs (UK) about £2,500 or about 5 times the cost of a decent core i5 laptop.
Yes, I am not really financially ready to add a receptor, but I wonder if it's OS is more dependable than a quad core Mac Book Pro. Perhaps someone in this forum uses the MacBook Pro live on a regular basis, without any crashes. For all I know, Receptors crash too... Thanks for the reply... Sometimes the gear lust just affects us like all lust...unnecessary, and a time consuming distraction...great tones inspire, and our fingers are always the true bottom line, the main source of tone...regardless of gear...Django, for instance...food for thought...
PS - I still crave the Kemper Rack - lol!!!
Quote from: thebrushwithin on January 18, 2013, 11:25:23 PM
I still crave the Kemper Rack - lol!!!
Ha, ha! You and me both brushwithin!
I thought long and hard about a Kemper recently but managed (just about) to resist...the rack unit might be my undoing yet!
I definitely prefer the new style. Saw this on Fractal forum..
Announcement here: http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/namm-2013-kemper-amps-announces-the-kemper-profiler-rack-569669 (http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/namm-2013-kemper-amps-announces-the-kemper-profiler-rack-569669)
(http://i1307.photobucket.com/albums/s594/obusa/Kemperlistened_zps384bf61f.jpg)
Now that's a rack worth lusting for!!! ;D
What I am really hoping for is profiles of great clean tube tones, full and rich. I always feel the lead tones are easier to capture, but most clean tones I hear on modelers are too sterile for my ears, and they need chorus, compression, etc. I am hoping the Kemper can achieve that.
Recreating "Clean tube, on the verge of breakup. with wide response to picking sensitivity " - has come along way in the past 3 years.
Based upon direct experience The KPA rules here, next would be the Avid Eleven Rack, then Fender Mustang series. - although the old Vox ToneLab might be better than Mustang.
The GR-55 Amp Sims have a bit more broader dynamic range vs the VG-99 - but both pale in comparison to all the above specifically for "Clean tube, on the verge of breakup. with wide response to picking sensitivity "
Ultimately the VG-99 and GR-55 can do much broader "non guitar" tones - but if you live or die depending on your Guitar tone, the KPA sure can spoil you forever.
If you and the wife cant afford the minimum $1500 purchase fee, suggest do not ever demo the KPA - save yourself some sanity. Remember bulk of tone is still in your fingers and how you play Your guitar.
Recreating "Clean tube, on the verge of breakup. with wide response to picking sensitivity " - has come along way in the past 3 years.
Based upon direct experience The KPA rules here "Elantric quote"
I got to agree with Elantric 110%. I did my 1st show with my new Classic rock band (Grand Funk to Tool) last night and I have never been happier with the astonishing versatility in tone. From warm cleans , browns, and Heavy dist. I'm just amazed at having all of this at the push of a button :P
Great!!! I do plan on getting the rack, sans power, as soon as they are available. Can't wait!!!
Thanks for the confirmation!
BTW - the lunchbox isn't going away. It will continue to be available in the original white, or in black, with or without the internal amp.
If you have gear laying around that you no longer use, sell enough of it to get one of these for "free".
This is the only non-tube "anything" I have ever played that can let me forget I'm not playing a regular amp. It 'feels' right - very responsive.
pAULTS I CAN'T AGREE ENOUGH WITH YOU ABOUT THE KPA.. PAUL
And save your back! I love my tube amps but with my bad back they are becoming harder and harder to keep and move around when needed. KPA will save my back! Can't wait to get mine.
Looks like they're releasing IR software for the KPA:
http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2013-kemper-announces-cabmaker-software-569897 (http://www.musicradar.com/news/tech/namm-2013-kemper-announces-cabmaker-software-569897)
QuotePRESS RELEASE: Kemper Amps announce Software Tool to create speaker cabinets from impulse responses (IR) for the Kemper Profiler
Kemper Amps/ Ruhr Area, Germany - January 23rd, 2013 (ictw) - Today Kemper Amps, the makers of the highly acclaimed and award winning Kemper Profiler announce the new Kemper Profiler Cabmaker Software.
A lot of owners asked for a way to load impulse responses into the Kemper Profiler to extend the amount of available Cabinet simulations. There are a lot of places where users can access libraries loaded with IR taken from the most diverse kinds of speaker systems. "So be it": thought the team and created Cabmaker, a straightforward software tool for Mac and PC that reads IR Wave Files and converts these into local Cab Presets for the Kemper Profiler.
The Kemper Profiling Technology caters for lively and dynamic Cabinet performance even with just static IR Data. Cab Converter is a free download from the Kemper Amps website.
The CabMaker App has been available at the Kemper Site for several days
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg54180#msg54180 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg54180#msg54180)
QuoteThey also have a new Cab Maker 1.0 Impulse Response Utility application that runs on Windows/Macs to upload third party Cab IR profiles too.
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
I love my KPA, and I think Kemper is a really exciting company, but the more I think about, the more I dislike this familiar trend of announcing and working on new products before fulfilling old promises. There are still major features that are documented in the original brochures and manual (e.g. performance mode - and that one's got actual silkscreening on the face of the KPA!) that are complete vaporware. It may be a matter of going after low-hanging fruit (i.e. maybe implementing an IR converter was a no-brainer) but as matter of good faith, they should be focusing on features that existing owners expect(ed).
Similarly, the rack format and powered variations are cool, but the KPA would really shine with a well-integrated, optimized footcontroller. Was there a prototype at NAMM?
Finishing performance mode is probably integrally tied to the foot controller release....so we wait. The new products generate $$$ so I'm sure that is a high priority too. The first priority of all successful ventures is to make money.
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on January 25, 2013, 04:30:53 PM
Finishing performance mode is probably integrally tied to the foot controller release....so we wait. The new products generate $$$ so I'm sure that is a high priority too. The first priority of all successful ventures is to make money.
bd
Yeah, I hear ya, and I'm definitely sympathetic to their need to stay in the black in this competitive market... It would go down a little easier if they were at least
talking about performance mode and the footcontroller a little more openly. I get the impression that Christoph can be a little mysterious about his development plans, but if that's the way you're going to play it you've got to be consistent. Seeing marketing blurbs for new products when you're still in the dark about old ones is a little frustrating.
Quote from: mbenigni on January 28, 2013, 06:45:11 AM
Yeah, I hear ya, and I'm definitely sympathetic to their need to stay in the black in this competitive market... It would go down a little easier if they were at least talking about performance mode and the footcontroller a little more openly. I get the impression that Christoph can be a little mysterious about his development plans, but if that's the way you're going to play it you've got to be consistent. Seeing marketing blurbs for new products when you're still in the dark about old ones is a little frustrating.
I can't agree more It would sure be nice to have a dedicated controller as long as it will allow you to controll other Midi gear. I'm still haven fits with WAs intermittingly working with my FCB 1010.
Judging by Cristoph's coy, non-committal responses to inquiries , pre NAMM, about a rack mounted unit...i would say he enjoys the showmanship, as he brings about some really top notch equipment...my money is on his ability to deliver on promises, and I would bet summer NAMM, or possibly Musikmesse, will have the completion of what Kemper promises. I cannot wait to invest, when the rack is ready for delivery!
Does anyone have a list of the 200 included profiles wth the Kemper? I've Googled it, looked at their site, their manual, etc., but can't seem to find the list.
Quote from: merman93
Honestly I'm about to delete all rigs that I don't have saved as Favorites. I am using a Dumble clean, and Crunch , a two Rock, a Mesa Stiletto, and and Über Bogner. Here is a list of some free profiles from the AmpFactory that are available,...
KPA-TheAmpFactory - Evil Robot – 1x12 combo – U87/121/57
KPA-Angry Mushroom - Mesa Duel Rec – 4x12 C90/V30 – 414/57/57offaxis
KPA-Big Fat Orange – Orange ThunderVerb – 4x12 V30 – 414/57
KPA-Big Twin – Fender Twinolux – 2x12 Jenson – 414/reslo/121
KPA-BluesJNR Growl – Blues Junior – 1x12 – U87/121/57
KPA-BluesJNR+ – Blues Junior – 1x12 – U87/121/57
KPA-Claptons Blues – Fender Twin – 4x10 jens – U87/121/57
KPA-Double Trouble – Fender Twinolux – 2x12 Jens – 414/reslo/121
KPA-Dream Delay – Fender Deluxe BF – 2x12 – TC30/U87/121
KPA-Fargen The King – Fargen Retro Classic – 2x12 Alinco Gold – U87/121/57
KPA-Fargen The Queen – Fargen Retro CLassic – 2x12 Alinco Gold – U87/121/57
KPA-Floydish – HiWatt Custom100 – 4x12 Fanes – TC30/87/57
KPA-Fu~&ing EPIC!! – MArshall TSL – 4x12 Greens – TC30/87/121
KPA-Go jimi GO – Marshall JTM45 – 4x12 GH30 – U87/57/121
KPA-Hello 1960z – Fender VirboKing – 3x12 Jens – TC30/U87/121
KPA-Hello 1970z – Fender Bassman – 4x10 – U87/121/57
KPA-Hello 1980z – Marshall 1987x – 4x12 GH30 – U87/121/57
KPA-LovePedal 30 – Matchless 30 – 2x12 – U87/121/57
KPA-ManRock 800 – Marshall JCM800 – 4x12 – TC30/87/121
KPA-MetalWide – DieZel Herbert – 4x12 V30 – 414/57/57offaxis
KPA-Nightmare EVIL – Morgan Duel40 – 2x12 – 57/121/87
KPA NIghtmare EVIL Pt2 – Morgan Duel40 2x12 – 57/121/87
KPA-PushedHair – Matchless 30 – 2x12 – U87/121/57
KPA-Remember me – Roland JC120 – 2x12 – 414/Reslo
KPA-Rock Your Sox – Marshall JTM – 4x12 Gh30 – U87/121/57
KPA-Statesman Clean – H&K Statesman – 1x12 – U87/121/57
KPA-Tiny Teeny Feet – Fender Deluxe BF – 2x12 – TC30/U87/121
KPA-Tophat Spongey – Tophat Emplexidor – 2x12 – U87/121/57
KPA-Van \M/ Halen – EVH5150 – 4x12 Greens - U87/121/57
KPA-Whitelight – Morgan Duel 40 – 2x12 GH30 – TC30/87/121
KPA-Woke up in..... – Fender Priceton 65 – 1x12 – U87/Reslo/57
Check out News at the KPA website.
Awesome thanks!
I checked out the Amp Factory clips earlier, and if the Stiletto and Mark II profiles sound that good in real life, I shall be a very happy camper.
I'm running my VG99 through the aux input. It is completely post effects. If the stereo loop is enabled, it overrides the aux input and routes depending on where the loop is selected (present or post amp). I know this doesn't solve your problem, just thought I'd mention the behavior. Its nice because you can route the aux preamp, post amp, or post effects with settings per patch.
Perhaps a mini mixer like the Mackie VLZ 4 channel model would work. I use mine to send my rig outs to house and amp. The pre's are clean and low noise.
bd
The Kemper includes 350 or so stock rigs at this point.
Here is a link to the v1.6 Factory Rigs.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55669979/Factory%20Rig%20Amp-Cab-Mike%20Reference%20List%202013-01-08.pdf
Quote from: paults on February 05, 2013, 10:23:27 AM
The Kemper includes 350 or so stock rigs at this point.
Here is a link to the v1.6 Factory Rigs.
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55669979/Factory%20Rig%20Amp-Cab-Mike%20Reference%20List%202013-01-08.pdf
Are the stock profiles generally pretty good?
Yes - Very good
Agreed - they are very good. And, they don't homogenize the tone of whatever guitar you plug into it. You can really hear the details of each individual guitar, just like you would with a conventional amp So, some of the Rigs will initially sound better than others with a specific guitar. You can edit, or try a few hundred others.
The original stock rigs provide faithful reproductions of the amps, and are a great foundation for making song-specific profiles by adding effects, and using EQ, and the playing feel of a profile can be really dialed in with the amp and cab controls.
In addition to those, Kemper has been adding official "Rig Packs", which tend to have more effects already enabled in them, and some specific band and song references. They have also been including some of the best of the profiles that have been uploaded by users, including some by a certain Mr. Bill Ruppert :)
Looks like Kemper is keeping its promise, as several retailers, Sweetwater included, are taking orders on the profiler rack, etc, and say they expect the first shipment in a couple of weeks...can't wait!!!
My old friend, Greg Martin, of the Kentucky Headhunters, who owns my old Marshall, that I bought new in 1968, has offered to let me record with it anytime. I parted with that amp in the 70's, and fortunately Greg now has it as his main recording amp. Can't wait to profile my old baby!!! I don't know if anyone has profiled a Kendrick Amp yet, but one of my best friends has agreed to let me profile his. They are incredible!!! They made the cabinet with 100 year old barnwood. I hope to find maybe a dozen amps that curl my toes, and leave it at that. Having too many choices is just distracting.
Have to agree about to many amps. I too would love to have a kendrick profile or 2
I don't know the model he has, but I will definitely profile it, and post it here. It will be probably a month or so, depends on when the rack ships, and when I'm off the road for a bit.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on February 08, 2013, 03:56:34 AM
I don't know the model he has, but I will definitely profile it, and post it here. It will be probably a month or so, depends on when the rack ships, and when I'm off the road for a bit.
Thanks Paul
If anyone here has run into this or maybe has an answer, I'm in desperate need of some help :'(
I keep getting a message box popup ( Module is empty-please select a type or preset) on my KPA, randomly when I switch presets with my FCB1010 Uno. When it pops up some of the effects do not turn on. And as I said it is random, but often
I started with a blank slate in Ripwerx tonight and still have the issue. It appears to be something in the Kpa midi switching. I'm feeling really stupid again after fianlly getting the Wa 's to work. to be honest I never had this problem with my Eleven Rack and It switch's programs with my GR55 just fine. Please Please some help :'(
I haven't tried the Line 6, But did just try the new Macki DLM12 and was pretty impressed, Loud, Coax so no focusing, sounded the same off to the side as in front, powerful and tiny.It also sounded good with my GR55 at the same time( it has 2 channels) didn't notice any added latency. But I would like to try the Atomic CLR. Paul
The Tech21 is seriously altering the tone if you can't tell a huge difference with cab on/off. Your band mates are hearing an accurate reproduction of the Kemper's tone via your wedges because they are FRFR speakers. If you want an accurate backline tone, try a FRFR speaker behind you. I ditched the backline years ago to do my part in controlling stage volume. The mix is better and more controllable in the FOH PA that way. We ditched our wedges too. In Ear Monitors are the ultimate solution for my band. We love 'em.
bd
In Ear Monitors are the ultimate solution for my band. We love 'em.
bd
This just came up in my band. What in ear monitors are you using and are you using the same mix as thr F-O-H. Thanks Paul
We use various IEMs. Don't laugh because I've owned several dedicated IEMs, but I like the $50 SkullCandy Titan in-ear headphones as well as any of the higher end IEMs. Sony made some nice in-ear phones I liked too but discontinued that model. Anything beats wedges.
Our signal chain is as follows:
Aux Send on Mixer Custom Mix per user ---> Channel Input of Behringer 4 ch. headphone amp
FOH signal ---> Main Mix Input of Behringer headphone amp
Each channel on the headphone amp has a mix control to blend between 100% Aux Input and 100% Main Input
You can approach it numerous ways with this setup. Each method is per user....very versatile.
1. Each user gets their own mono Aux mix and runs 100% Aux Mix
2. Each user gets 50% FOH and 50% Aux and all Aux sends on the channels are off except where a boost (more of me) is needed.
3. 100% FOH and be a big boy with less ego, more talent... :) :) :)
If you use amps on stage, locate them in front or side facing and run them at lower volume. The close proximity will give you a slight bump in perceived IEM volume which helps when monitoring FOH only.
I mix from the stage so I monitor FOH 100%, no Aux mix. If low volumes are maintained, it's amazing how well this works for wveryone.
Recently, we added an SM58 hanging overhead mid stage. It goes to an unused, muted channel on the board and gets Aux'd into our IEM mix. It eliminated that isolated feeling you get (and get used to) and allows us and our patrons to talk without popping out our IEMs to hear them.
Btw, we are all twist our headphone cables around our guitar cables which avoids a tangle..no wireless. The headphone amp was $80 and probably the best money we ever spent with the exception of our real time analyzer setup which REALLY helps get the EQ nailed at different venues. Eliminating unnecessary stage volume by trashing the wedges, using IEMs, and turning everything down is the way to go IMHO. Feedback and weird resonances are all but gone, no more ego issues with amp volume, and FOH gets pushed harder for a more unified sound. Just make sure you have enough PA (own and use, not relying on house PA) to handle it. A couple of 200W speakers on a stick does not suffice. We have a 4 way 6500w system that can serve a 100 seater up to an outdoor bike rally.
bd
BD, thanks for the insight on iems . I think this is something we definitly want to try. Paul
Quote from: paults on February 06, 2013, 12:18:21 PM
Agreed - they are very good. And, they don't homogenize the tone of whatever guitar you plug into it. You can really hear the details of each individual guitar, just like you would with a conventional amp So, some of the Rigs will initially sound better than others with a specific guitar. You can edit, or try a few hundred others.
The original stock rigs provide faithful reproductions of the amps, and are a great foundation for making song-specific profiles by adding effects, and using EQ, and the playing feel of a profile can be really dialed in with the amp and cab controls.
In addition to those, Kemper has been adding official "Rig Packs", which tend to have more effects already enabled in them, and some specific band and song references. They have also been including some of the best of the profiles that have been uploaded by users, including some by a certain Mr. Bill Ruppert :)
Also very good to hear. My access to amps in terms of what I'd personally be able to profile would be limited, therefore I'd have to largely rely upon what's included, what I can buy off the net, and what others are sharing.
Quote
Also very good to hear. My access to amps in terms of what I'd personally be able to profile would be limited, therefore I'd have to largely rely upon what's included, what I can buy off the net, and what others are sharing.
Thats been the big surprise for even Chris Kemper.
Thanks to the KPA Community sharing Excellent KPA Amp profiles that nail the tone of many boutique / hard to find vintage tube amps -
I will keep my '66 Vox AC30 Top Boost head - but thanks to the Kemper, i no longer hold any desire to actually own / maintain a heard of tube amps. Ive never had free time to Model my own amps, prefer to spend that time instead dialing up and recording one of the 100's of profiled amps i do not own with my Kemper.
IEMs will SAVE your hearing if you use the volume knob correctly. IEMs keep cymbal crashes out of my ears just like ear plugs would. On tight stages, the crashes are less than 2 feet from my head. I've had a hard crash make me dizzy before. No doubt that will harm your hearing. Not a problem since IEMs came along.
bd
Just talked to Sweetwater, and the first 5 Kemper Profiler Racks are there and being shipped out Monday. Can't wait, as I am next on the list, with an ETA of March 1!!!
Wow! I love it when a manufacturer shows something at NAMM and the product actually materializes on the shelves next month. A rare and precious occurrence.
Definitely have high hopes for Kemper!!! Kept their promises...
Quote from: thebrushwithin on February 15, 2013, 04:28:53 PM
Just talked to Sweetwater, and the first 5 Kemper Profiler Racks are there and being shipped out Monday. Can't wait, as I am next on the list, with an ETA of March 1!!!
Great! I'm first in line at alto Music, so I may be getting mine soon, too! Jon said he ordered 4.
Quote from: Elantric on February 14, 2013, 11:47:57 AM
Thats been the big surprise for even Chris Kemper.
Thanks to the KPA Community sharing Excellent KPA Amp profiles that nail the tone of many boutique / hard to find vintage tube amps -
I will keep my '66 Vox AC30 Top Boost head - but thanks to the Kemper, i no longer hold any desire to actually own / maintain a heard of tube amps. Ive never had free time to Model my own amps, prefer to spend that time instead dialing up and recording one of the 100's of profiled amps i do not own with my Kemper.
Elantric, My most regrettable sale was that of my 66 Vox AC30 top Boost Head. That and maybe my Mint 61 Supro. Paul
Wow! Kemper is running ahead of schedule, as Sweetwater told me a new shipment came in today, so my rack is ready to ship. Definitely excited! Kemper rocks!
Has anyone compared the KPA against the Randall/Egnater MTS amps? They are tube thru and thru..and offer the preamps of all your favorite amps.Marshall., Fender etc etc Randall was sold and kinda lost interest in these amps, but 3rd party developers keep the line going..and expanding.
anyone compared them???
GtrGeorge
There are plenty of Egnator profiles on the KPA rig exchange. I'm sure the KPA captures the soul of them as well as it profiles any other tube amp. The beauty is having access to all of the best with the KPA.
bd
Proud to be a Kemper Profiler Rack owner as of a few hours ago. I have only fooled around with about half of the 300+ presets, nothing in depth, just auditioning them. It is quite an interesting experience for me, since I sold my last tube amps in the 1980's, and haven't used one since. The Kemper immediately jogged my memory of tube sounds, in ways no modeler ever has, including any of my VGs. It is also the first time for me to use regular pickups on my guitar, since the VG8 was released. If I were asked to use one word to describe these profiles, it would be "redundant". I cannot imagine a practical use for more than, say a dozen or so profiles, as so many sound so very similar to my ears. This is, however, what I expected, before I played one, and hearing the different models has not changed my mind, and, in fact, it is even more redundant than I thought. Now, if I started using different guitars, I am sure some amps that seem so much alike, might respond differently. So, in the next few days, I will narrow down my favs, and start using the VG guitar modeling, into the KPA, and hear what difference that makes. I have auditioning the KPA profiles, using my Godin LGXT, which feature a Seymour Duncan Jazz at the neck, and a JB Custom at the bridge, if memory serves me correctly. I do love these pickups, and I believe they should be a good means of auditioning the profiles. It will cause me to start using more 50/50 COSM/normal pickup selections in my VG. This opens up a can of worms for me, in that I never use my Moog pickups with my VG patches, and I trust my fellow forum members that they basically suck. I would like to keep using my Moog live, with my VG and KPA. So, I am hoping that the COSM pickups work well with the KPA, or else I will have a couple of decisions to make. I have been instantly spoiled, however, with the combo of great mags straight into the KPA, and perhaps there is no turning back - we'll see. When April comes around and my FTP arrives, I must face the possibility of doing gigs without a 13 pin cable at all! In my studio, however, I feel certain that a VG will always be indispensable.
By the way, I may be selling one of my VG99s(I have 2), for a killer price, if anyone here may be interested. I don't know the protocol for selling via this forum, and so maybe I will put it on eBay with a Buy it now price, and just let you guys have a "heads up", right before it is listed. However, if there is a proper way of selling it directly from here, I would prefer it.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on February 26, 2013, 05:44:11 PM
By the way, I may be selling one of my VG99s(I have 2), for a killer price, if anyone here may be interested. I don't know the protocol for selling via this forum, and so maybe I will put it on eBay with a Buy it now price, and just let you guys have a "heads up", right before it is listed. However, if there is a proper way of selling it directly from here, I would prefer it.
Just post it in the Used Gear for Sale forum here. https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=126.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=126.0)
Try hooking the VG99 to the KPA via SPDIF. You can route COSM guitar through the SPDIF directly to the KPA without COSM amps enabled. Works great and all the cool alt tuning, analog synth, and pitch effects complete what's missing in the KPA.. My only gripe is that SPDIF input is always off on power up in v1.6 firmware. I've asked for the setting to be retentive.
bd
Thanks guys!!!
QuoteI cannot imagine a practical use for more than, say a dozen or so profiles, as so many sound so very similar to my ears
Hahaha! It's now 50, and counting! This gear is the REAL thing!!! Thank you Cristoph!!!!!!
Tomorrow, I use the VG 99, just as musicman65 suggested! I am hankering to run a GR 300 simulation,
Into one of these super fine profiles, and that's just Channel A.....wow!
Brush,
also try using the noise gate in the VG99 to squish the hiss we all deal with from the hex and mag pup preamps. Ungated, it gets pretty noisey through a highbgain KPA profile, especially the sizzly ones like Marshalls. I wish Roland had used better opamps and a differential line driver design with CMNR to quiet down things a bit....but then we'd have a 20 pin connector!
bd
Congratulations on your KPA (haven't seen a rack in person yet) If you follow the KPa forum I think you'll find lots of different and non redundent amps. I agree some of the high gain amps did sound extremely the same to me at first ( being an old man & having not even heard of some of them) but have found alot are very different. I can now start recognizing a Deizel from a triple Rec. There are also many boutique clean amps that sound really different from the vintage Fenders. In the end i think you like me will love it. Paul
Can the Kemper put SPDIF in the chain, same sorta thing as stereo loop? I cant find anything other than enable SPDIF input which wipes out front input.
Nope....SPDIF Input is only at the input of the KPA chain. Use it to feed COSM and Mag pup guitar from VG99 to KPA.
In addition, use the L/R 1/4" Main outs of the VG99 to Aux and Alt Aux Input which can be used with the KPA Stereo Loop assigned to Pre-Amp or Post-Amp slots on the KPA. Also, as of v1.6, you can turn Aux Input volume up on the KPA's Master section and use as a mixer with the KPA output post effects. Lots of options.
Clever use of VG99 and KPA settings settings per patch can result in SPDIF, Stereo Loop, and Aux Input mixing without rewiring. Very versatile.
bd
Yeah, all of this is why I jumped on getting the KPA rack & sold my toaster. I'm going to wire 'em all up with my 828 and be able to switch stuff around any way I want. It's making my brain hurt a little, though.
Sorted, Sitar at a touch of a button, Aldritch with another. thanks
Daddy's happy tonight!
Lovely, wish I'd waited longer so I could have gone rackmount.
VG 99 in the same rack as a KPA is an addictive combo....I'm just scratching the surface, and all I can say is WOW!!!
@drbill - I will be very interested, when you get your FTP, as to how it works with your Receptor. Are you triggering the Muse with the VG99 at present? Almost pulled the trigger on a Muse, a couple of weeks ago, but I am awaiting my FTP first, to see what it's all about.
Yeah, I was going for the same rack, but couldn't quite make it with the 8-space that I've got. I'm triggering the Receptor with the -99 through my computer and it works pretty well. It's still a work in progress (just got the Receptor & the KPA this week) and overkill by any measure of what my needs or talent deserves, but oh my can I make some cool noises!
My son, on the other hand, has lots of talent (guitar, keys & cello at 15) so maybe I can rationalize it saying "it's all for the children."
Lee, rackmount is probably cool 8)But I love my space toaster ;D
QuoteLee, rackmount is probably cool 8)But I love my space toaster
Me too -the Rack KPA has fewer controls. there is no way Id give up my dedicated Mod Rate & Depth controls. Rather defeats the nice point and shoot retro control of the original KPA
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7624 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7624)
I've been looking using a smaller than 19" Rack mount case for the VG-99 + KPA combo.
Having worked and lived in Europe for a while, I'm somewhat more mindful of the requirements for small and light.
Just got the GR-D & GR-S....both very cool pedals. I think I'm going to try and hook them up to my KPA tonight....just not sure whether to select the "amp" or "line" setting on the back....
-oddguitar
Quote from: Elantric on March 02, 2013, 12:08:16 PM
Me too -the Rack KPA has fewer controls. there is no way Id give up my dedicated Mod Rate & Depth controls. Rather defeats the nice point and shoot retro control of the original KPA
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7624 (http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=7624)
I've been looking using a smaller than 19" Rack mount case for the VG-99 + KPA combo.
Having worked and lived in Europe for a while, I'm somewhat more mindful of the requirements for small and light.
I gotta agree with you Steve
Hey all. New kemper /old gr-55 user here just wondering about using alt tuning and guitar models from the gr-55 into the kemper.
My big question. Will the guitar out pin 7 mod for the gr 55 pass alt tunings and guitar models or is it magnetic pickups ONLY?
Thanks
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on March 02, 2013, 12:03:27 PM
Lee, rackmount is probably cool 8)But I love my space toaster ;D
I did, too, but couldn't afford to have both. I like not having to rewire all the time. I don't do a lot of tweaking live, so I don't miss the knobs as much.
Quote from: drbill on March 02, 2013, 07:51:45 PM
I did, too, but couldn't afford to have both. I like not having to rewire all the time. I don't do a lot of tweaking live, so I don't miss the knobs as much.
Bill,
I have a Kemper and was the first to do the mod. The pin7 mod is mag only and works great for regular use of the KPA. You can send COSM guitar by turning off COSM Amp and sending the 1/4 outs to the Alt In on the KPA. Enable the KPA's first preamp stomp as a mono loop to route the COSM Guitar signal in ahead of the other stomps and amp section.
Unfortunately, the GR55 dedicated guitar out is just too noisy. I went back to the VG99 since I own both.
Bd
I had both, too, and also sold the GR55.
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=76558#post76558 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&postID=76558#post76558)
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Hi all, sorry if this has been covered elsewhere. I see posts about using the GR55 to control the KPA via MIDI, but my questions concern the GR20:
1) Can I configure the GR20 to do rig up/down on the KPA? Based on what I've read in the GR20 manual I'm thinking probably, but let me know if I'm wrong abouit that.
2) Can I use the GR20's expression pedal to control either the KPA volume or KPA wah depending on which rig I have active? This one I'm not so sure about.
Why not connect a MIDI cable from GR-20 MIDI out to KPA MIDI In and find out?
Well, I don't own a MIDI cable at the moment, and it would be nice to know the answer before I schlep down to Sam Ash to buy one. But you're right I may have to find the answer on my own. Not many owners of both units as far as I can tell.
Burningyen,
If I recall correctly, the GR20 sends Program Change data when it's patch changes and the expression pedal is locked on CC#7. If you setup a corresponding rig on the KPA for each GR20 patch, it will change with the GR20. The GR20 volume pedal will always control CC#7 so it can't do the Wah on the KPA. Unfortunately, the KPA and GR20 both have fixed MIDI maps. The GR55 has assignable MIDI control and would do what you want.
bd
Thanks, Musicman. It turned out the Best Buy in my neighborhood stocked MIDI cables, so I was able to grab one last night and hook the GR20 up to the KPA. The 2 footswitches on the GR20 work great as patch up/down, but as you said, the expression pedal can only send CC#7 and the KPA only reads that as volume.
When you say the GR55 has assignable MIDI control, does that mean you can assign a CC# to the expression pedal on a patch-by-patch basis? So if I want the expression pedal to control volume for all of my patches except for a few patches where I want it to control wah or vocal filter, the GR55 will let me do that?
I may have miss interpreted what the KPA does and not given it a fair shake. First I thought it just profiled amps and if you didn't have access to the real amps you were out of luck. After looking at some of the posts it seems I was wrong and it came with a list of profiles and you can download more as well. Can you also download cab profiles as well?
I also believed that it did not support effects.... It seems I was wrong there as well. can you download effects too?
Well it seems that I have a list of questions and I would like it if someone could float me a link on the KPA so I could research all it's potential and see if it is something I would want to add to my collection. Please forgive my ignorance but it seems that I thought that it was just a gimmick but now I wonder if it might be better than a AxeFX ultra.
Suggest go to the top of this very thread and re-read the posts.
The KPA is the most breathtaking new technology to hit the Guitar world in the past 25 years ( most other tech is rehash of prior work)
Read the KPA Manuals, Watch the videos, all are links in this very thread.
And read the KPAwiki doc that an italian user has created.
All are here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.0)
and download the docs here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;cat=27 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;cat=27)
Thanks E.
QuoteIf I recall correctly, the GR20 sends Program Change data when it's patch changes
This is the way the GR55 works as well, and it's sufficient if you just want to change patches on an external unit (e.g. KPA), but it's a drag if you want to convert the outgoing PC to CC (to toggle effects on and off or whatever) because a subsequent press of the patch selection pedal you last stepped on will send no external MIDI at all. :(
QuoteI also believed that it did not support effects.... It seems I was wrong there as well. can you download effects too?
It has great effects (IMO) onboard, and Kemper regularly adds new ones in firmware updates. You can download presets of existing effects, but you can't download entire new effects except as they arrive with those f/w updates. You can't profile effects into the effects slots either (a feature I'd love to see in a KPA 2), but you can profile some types of effects (non-time based, e.g. dist/OD, compression, eq characteristics) as part of an overall signal chain and repurpose them that way. (Two KPA's in series, in other words, would let you run a profile of someone else's boutique amp with a profile of your favorite overdrive pedal. With one KPA, the best compromise is to profile that entire signal chain.)
There are so many shared kpa profiles in the community, that I suspect only 20% of kpa owners have attempted to profile thier other rigs.
Its a clear case of the user community re-asserting a different global perspective regarding a product, which even surprised its inventor.
Chris Kemper worked hard to develop a product which accurately captured the tone, dynamic response and sound of the amplifier its modeling. And as a taste, he included a basic set of good factory presets with an array of profiled amp rigs.
In early 2012 the KPA began shipping, and today the KPA community has shared 1000's of profiled rigs, and the top 300 rigs surpass, meet or exceed all my own amplification tone needs - so much so, that several KPA owners are now selling their boutique / vintage tube amp collection, because KPA records better guitar tone.
Bill Ruppert even profiled and shared a few of his favorite VG-99 patches, so when folks ask "where can I get Bills VG-99 patches?" , I answer, buy a KPA and download them from Kemper.
There is a KPA profile of the VG-99 doing a GR-300 that now any KPA owner can now use a normal guitar and sound like Pat Methany playing his G-808 driving his GR-300
Imagine what 6 KPA's could do (one per string)
Jim, I can honestly say you would not be disapointed in the sound And feel of the KPA. I'm 63 and have owned many vintage amps in my lifetime. I own none now. My eleven rack hasn't been touched in a year, same for my beloved origional Egnater IE4 preamp. I gig often and only use the KPA and my GR55. go to www.kemper.com (http://www.kemper.com) and go on there forum. you'll find several people here there including Bill and Elantric. Paul ;D
Quote from: Elantric on April 03, 2013, 06:30:45 AM
Suggest go to the top of this very thread and re-read the posts.
The KPA is the most breathtaking new technology to hit the Guitar world in the past 25 years ( most other tech is rehash of prior work)
Read the KPA Manuals, Watch the videos, all are links in this very thread.
And read the KPAwiki doc that an italian user has created.
All are here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.0)
and download the docs here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;cat=27 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;cat=27)
Elantric, I wish I had read your post,befor I hastely posted my own. I can't agree with you more about your assessment of the KPA . Paul
6 KPAs one on each string would be "MIND BOGGLING"
I'm definitely keeping my Mesa DC-5, if only because I eventually want a KPA so I can profile it. It's a unique sound in the Mesa world (kind of across between a Mark and a Recto) and it would be cool to have it captured so I can play and record silently.
Jim,
I initially thought it was just for the profiling of personal amps, too. I think that was the initial publicity, and then it fell under the radar until it was ready for mass production. By that point, it was shipping with hundreds of profiles already in it.
I've had mine for about six months. I wouldn't sell my Silver Jubilee, either (my main amp since 1989). But, its been nearly six months since I've used it live - and, I don't feel like I am missing anything about it. Up to now, everything else I've tried, in the quest for more sounds and lower volume, has felt like a compromise - I've tried other Marshalls, Mesa, Hughes and Kettner tube stuff, as well as all the Line 6 and Roland modeling gear.
I'm using a couple of profiles I made of my amp as my main gain sounds. After dialing in the input settings for my hotter than currently trendy guitars, The Kemper reacts to any guitar volume knob position and to my touch exactly like my Marshall does. It cleans up the same ways, at the same points. An old Hamer of mine gets very clean and bright with my Jubilee when the volume is just barely on. The Kemper does the exact same thing.
I use about twenty different profiles for gigs, mostly downloaded from the thousands that have been made available by other users - from JC120 clean, through Matchless, Fender, Vox, to other Marshalls, to high gain stuff like Mesa, Peavey, Carvin. I have an acoustic sim I like at least as much as what the GR55 can do, and the Kemper's internal effects are deep enough to be exploited to do things like Bill Ruppert's Rhodes, as well as my organs, talkbox, vocal "ooo"s, etc.
....and if you are a VG99 user, the SPDIF output into the KPA allows COSM guitar, alt tuning, and additional preamp effects including all the pitch stuff, whammy, etc. The KPA also has stereo aux input for patches that require direct to output mixed VG tones (not through the KPA amp sim). It has enough routing pre amp and post amp to accommodate any combination of VG/KPA tones....all switchable by patch.
bd
Quote from: GtrGeorge on February 24, 2013, 09:39:46 PM
Has anyone compared the KPA against the Randall/Egnater MTS amps? They are tube thru and thru..and offer the preamps of all your favorite amps.Marshall., Fender etc etc Randall was sold and kinda lost interest in these amps, but 3rd party developers keep the line going..and expanding.
anyone compared them???
GtrGeorge
When I first got the Kemper at the time had an Egnater MOD50 and a bunch of modules. I'm a big tube snob and even though I still love tubes the KPA always had that "something" that I found lacking in other modelers. It's a feel thing. I've owned Line 6, Valvetronix, Roland, etc. modeling gear but none made me feel like I was playing a "real" amp like the KPA.
At one point i made a couple of my profiles of my MOD50; I sold the Egnater but kept the KPA. :)
That said, I'll always love tubes, but my next show I'll use the KPA.
Orren
The KPA is an EXTRAORDINARY advance in guitar technology that has thoroughly shifted the sonic paradigm. I love it. The effects section rarely gets talked about-& it's INSANE; you can literally create FX that are simply NOT possible by other means.
It's staying in the lab for now. I hope that Performance Mode is implemented soon!
The effects are nice....but child's play compared to the VG99. I wish the routing was more configurable.
A VG99/KPA together....now that's serious sonic power!
bf
Quote from: vurnt99 on April 09, 2013, 05:27:06 AM
The KPA is an EXTRAORDINARY advance in guitar technology that has thoroughly shifted the sonic paradigm. I love it. The effects section rarely gets talked about-& it's INSANE; you can literally create FX that are simply NOT possible by other means.
It's staying in the lab for now. I hope that Performance Mode is implemented soon!
Have to agree the effects are awesome and I here we're getting more soon 8)
The KPA just went to 1.8.0 public beta and now includes pitch effects including wammy and harmonizer. So I was a bit premature in judging but still, the KPA has 1/10th the power of a VG99 in the effects department....its getting closer.
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on April 04, 2013, 09:37:52 PM
....and if you are a VG99 user, the SPDIF output into the KPA allows COSM guitar, alt tuning, and additional preamp effects including all the pitch stuff, whammy, etc. The KPA also has stereo aux input for patches that require direct to output mixed VG tones (not through the KPA amp sim). It has enough routing pre amp and post amp to accommodate any combination of VG/KPA tones....all switchable by patch.
bd
I think you just BLEW MY MIND (send flowers first next time!!! ;) ) Would seriously like to see a tutorial/layout/youtube on that!!!!
THANK YOU MUSICMAN
QuoteSo I was a bit premature in judging but still, the KPA has 1/10th the power of a VG99 in the effects department....its getting closer.
The KPA may be
relatively limited in terms of routing options, etc. (intentionally so, I think, in the interest of simplicity) but the effects themselves are much warmer and "organic" sounding than in other digital multi-effects units I've tried. (Unfortunately I've never owned a VG99, but I find many of the effects in the GR55 and competing Line 6 products a little grating/ fatiguing.) Not sure how much of that comes down the effects algorithms themselves and how much is a result of a better preamp and A/D/A in the Kemper, but that's what I'm hearing out of the whole package.
(And ironically, I barely use the effects in the KPA, because I typically turn it on and geek out over the amp profiles until someone or something drags me away.)
While we are sharing KPA and VG-99 Tips and tricks:
SPDIF to Stereo Analog DAC $33
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3207.msg58592#msg58592 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3207.msg58592#msg58592)
Assign the VG-99's "Digital (SPDIF) Output to use the COSM Guitar Output as the Audio signal, - but feed a cheap DAC to feed other Analog FX.
More here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg50670#msg50670 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg50670#msg50670)
Cell7 wrote
QuoteUpdate - received and tested the FiiO D3 and Im happy to say that it is very well built and it works perfectly with the spdif out of the vg99. So now we essentially have an extra stereo [or 2 x mono if you want] chain that can go to your outboard gear. I am running it straight from the COSM A [after alt-tuning etc] and then into pedals etc before mixing together with the vg99 etc at a small behringer 10 channel mixer. So... I know that this could also be done with the sub outs of the vg99, but for some reason i want to leave those free for flexibility.
Did i mention this thing is made well? for 30-odd euros! It is tiny, metal cased and it is powered by micro-usb from a tiny wall-wart [or in my case sharing from the same power as my ipad and iphone]. It works as soon as its plugged in. As far as i can tell, sound quality is excellent, but there would likely be a delay of a few microseconds due to the DA conversion so it needs to be processed before mixing back in with the vg99 signal or else you will get some phasing...
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/VG-99_FLOW_spdif_zpsa8d5a265.png)
Quote from: Elantric on April 10, 2013, 08:57:46 AM
Assign the VG-99's "Digital (SPDIF) Output to use the COSM Guitar Output as the Audio signal, - but feed a cheap DAC to feed other Analog FX.
More here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg50670#msg50670 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg50670#msg50670)
After playing with it for a bit, i have to say I had some issues getting enough signal volume from the COSM output in the way i had structured it in each patch. By default it seems that COSM A and B outputs are set to around 25, and this gives a pretty weak signal to the DAC. You can boost it in the output section [up to 200] but this still doesn't feel like it is driving my analog effects enough and it can be slightly noisy. SOOOO i have to restructure the gain on my patches, but then it works ok.
Need to play with it some more to get it perfect but it seems like it will join my rig permanently :)
Quote from: musicman65 on April 10, 2013, 01:16:54 AM
The KPA just went to 1.8.0 public beta and now includes pitch effects including wammy and harmonizer. So I was a bit premature in judging but still, the KPA has 1/10th the power of a VG99 in the effects department....its getting closer.
bd
Musicman, thanks for letting us all know, This will be an awesome edition. I will check this out when i get home
And, my VG-99 had 1/10 the power of the Kemper in the amp sound department? ;)
Few, if any other modelers have the power of the VG-99 effects, especially if you include COSM.
Paults,
No doubt. The KPA reigns supreme in amp sounds. That's why using both is so cool!
bd
QuoteFew, if any other modelers have the power of the VG-99 effects, especially if you include COSM.
I can't think of any way to achieve the flexibility the VG99 offers, except with a very powerful PC/Mac, a fast 6-input audio interface, a good VST host, and a combination of plugins and tons of virtual DIY work, e.g. with Reaktor or Max or something along those lines. It would definitely be the sort of "labor of love" that would eat into your actual playing time.
Then you'd hear a few pops and clicks... and lather, rinse, and repeat... and then you're 45 years old. :o
Probably better to buy a VG99. :)
Hi folks. It's been a while since I've posted anything on this forum - I spend my time on the Kemper forum mostly (Zappledan there). However, let me chime in here. I have a Roland VG Strat, and pairing that with the KPA does go a bit further in closing the effects gap. It gives you the alt tunings, and guitar COSM (most of it) without the 13-pin connection. I wouldn't use it for recording, but for live use I find it more than acceptable. YMMV.
It just occurred to me that I should add that I've upgraded much of the guitar: Bladerunner tremolo system, different PUPs, TUSQ nut and string tree, and locking tuners ... ;D
Zap/ 727 Lawrence, I'ld love to try the Vstrat with my KPA ,but I'm a Lefty. :'( It's one of those times beind a LEfty kind of sucks. If I could find the electronics I'ld just build one 8) Nad glad to see you here as well. Paul
Vurnt99,
I haven't forgotten. I'll try to get a detailed write up and pics on using a VG99 and KPA together soon. Been busy with taxes and a few gigs recently. I'll be mounting a VG99, KPA, and Roland SonicCell synth module in a "Live-In" Marshall head case in the next few weeks for my next road rig. I'm too shy to make a video...but I'll think about it. :)
bd
Ok. So far so good...VG99, SonicCell, and KPA together. Right now I have them going to a Mackie 4 channel mixer instead of running the VG99 main outs through the KPA Aux Inputs. I think either way works and I may still make that connection and run the XLR outs on the VG99 to the mixer.
The cool part about the VG99 is its ability to route nearly anything through the SPDIF on a patch by patch basis. This allows alt tuning, VG native synth, COSM guitar, normal mag pups, effects and eq....anything, to be sent to the KPA front end. Connecting L/R main from the VG99 to Alt Inputs on the KPA allows the VG99 signal to be routed pre-effects, pre-amp, or post-amp in the KPA. The options are amazing.
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on April 27, 2013, 01:12:57 PM
The cool part about the VG99 is its ability to route nearly anything through the SPDIF on a patch by patch basis. This allows alt tuning, VG native synth, COSM guitar, normal mag pups, effects and eq....anything, to be sent to the KPA front end. Connecting L/R main from the VG99 to Alt Inputs on the KPA allows the VG99 signal to be routed pre-effects, pre-amp, or post-amp in the KPA. The options are amazing.
bd
Quick question - i am doing the same as this running the SPDIF out to another FX chain [not a KPA unfortunately] but i am having trouble getting enough gain from the output. Even cranked to 200. Do you have any issue with this or are all your patches set up to send a high output from the COSM guitar itself?
Most of my guitar patches, whether COSM or mags, are sent via SPDIF. I'm not where I can look in the next few days but I think my digital out volume is at 90 to 100 with no issues. Check your COSM and Mag input gains on the last page in COSM settings. Using a COEM amp, I set it around 20 but for SPDIF its nearly wide open (100) .
bd
Quote from: musicman65 on April 29, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
Most of my guitar patches, whether COSM or mags, are sent via SPDIF. I'm not where I can look in the next few days but I think my digital out volume is at 90 to 100 with no issues. Check your COSM and Mag input gains on the last page in COSM settings. Using a COEM amp, I set it around 20 but for SPDIF its nearly wide open (100) .
bd
Yeah thats what im finding is the fix, but i was hoping there was another way :(. Seems weird that the gain structure of the vg99 is standard around the 20-25 output [internally], but this is too quiet on the output to drive other FX or cabs/modellers properly.
I think wide range of COSM and guitar mag preamp gain is to accomadate a wide variety of signal sources and signal chains. I have found that a GK adjusted as close as possible with sensitivity in the 20-30 range yields a COSM signal that is way too hot for COSM amps and must be reduced to 10-20 COSM gain. Disable the amp and the signal is too weak. Maybe its the COSM amp that is too sensitive.
It is what it is.
bd
I've been making some non-guitar amp sounds with the Kemper, and have been getting great results with the new pitch effects in v1.8.
The other equally big addition to the effects capability comes in a bit under the radar, but it adds really powerful parameters.
They have added a Ducking parameter to a large number of the effects. Not just reverbs and delay - the EQs, pitch, chorus, and their Shapers, among others. With both positive and negative ranges, an effect can only happen when you play quiet, or when you play loud, or it can fade in (or out) as the notes decay.
Here is a Soundcloud set of some FX rigs I've programmed. Some sound almost like like I have an invisible VG in my Kemper.
All of the rigs are available for download on the Kemper Rig Exchange, if any sound useful.
Sounds include: pedal steel, rock organ, shimmer swells, talkbox with pedal or with touch, and a couple of synths with sounds that vary with playing dynamics.
https://soundcloud.com/pshamell/sets/kpa-kemper-profiles (https://soundcloud.com/pshamell/sets/kpa-kemper-profiles)
I said it there and I'll say it here....great job!
bd
Well, thank you (here), too! ;D
So cool, Paul! I've been meaning to profile my GR55 through a COSM bass guitar setting and COSM bass amp, then see how that sounds with the Kemper drop tuned an octave. Let us know if you beat me to it. Thanks for the new profiles!
Some news for those waiting for a Kemper Footcontroller
(from the creator of the UNO Chip for FCB-1010)
http://www.kemper-fcb.com/ (http://www.kemper-fcb.com/)
There's not much to find here yet... But no worries, the website will be up and running really soon!
Those who visited the Kemper booth at Musikmesse 2013, may have noticed the FCB1010 being used for demos of the Kemper Profiling Amp. That unit contained the very first prototype of the "Kemper-FCB" firmware, a customized firmware chip for the FCB1010. It turns the Behringer floorboard into a dedicated footcontroller for the KPA.
We rushed into getting this firmware ready by April 10, start of the trade show. Now we take our time to finalize and finetune the design, in close cooperation with the people at Kemper.
So please come back soon to find out all there is to know about this dedicated "Kemper-FCB" firmware for the FCB1010.
If you want to be notified about the official release of this chip, you can send a note to info@kemper-fcb.com
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=8803 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=8803)
Unbelievable. The timing is just uncanny. I am neither kidding nor exaggerating when I say that I just clicked the buy button on the Native Instruments website for a Rig Kontrol 3 (figured I could use it for both laptop and KPA), tabbed over to check the receipt in my inbox, and saw the notification of your post about a new Kemper-approved solution. ::)
It's weird - I spend way more time worrying about foot controllers for amp modelers/fx than I do on the amp modelers/fx themselves.
Quotebutton on the Native Instruments website for a Rig Kontrol 3
Give a report when it arrives !
i was looking for used one recently myself, but gave up after I realized it was not USB Class compliant = no use with ipad.
Musicman65,
I missed seeing your VG-99 / KPA rack until now - was this a Custom ordered size?
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=7069;image)
Elantric,
its a generic standard duty case from Road Cases USA. They have 2 models. The 30x12.75x9 size fits perfect. The inside is carpeted so I bought a roll of industrial strength velcro and used that to fasten everything to the carpet. Its wedged tight so there's no risk of movement. I used 1/4" birch plywood to make the shelf and used aluminum channel and angle pieces on the shelf edges to make it rigid. The shelf is covered with velcro loop (fuzzy side) so anything with vecro hook sticks to it. (cables, mini mixer, SonicCell synth module). Its still in the works. I am mounting the FC300 and Banshee voicebox in one of the lids anong with an aluminum cover with FC300 Ctr 3-8 switches/rollerwheel. Im hoping Gumtown gets his wireless midi I/O circuit ready so I can add it too. Also still planning on an FTP in the case with custom splitter for better midi triggering.
For now, my original VG99/FC300/Proteus 2000 in its roadcase serves me well.
http://www.cruzerrocks.com/VG99/VG99_Case.htm (http://www.cruzerrocks.com/VG99/VG99_Case.htm)
Road Case USA link:
http://www.roadcasesusa.com/live-in-amplifier-head-cases-medium-duty-2-sizes-available/ (http://www.roadcasesusa.com/live-in-amplifier-head-cases-medium-duty-2-sizes-available/)
bd
Great! Thanks for the details! Looks like a fantastic easy access gigable rig, that leaves the other guitar players scratching their heads wondering just what the heck IS that guitar amp?
and your floor based rig is very cool too!
(http://www.cruzerrocks.com/VG99/VG99_Case_Setup.JPG)
Quote from: Elantric on May 02, 2013, 06:09:49 PM
Give a report when it arrives!
i was looking for used one recently myself, but gave up after I realized it was not USB Class compliant = no use with ipad.
I hear ya. I've been looking for a used one at a good price for a long time. They never did get all that cheap, and now they're
nowhere to be found.
But not class compliant, and worse - if it's like the Rig Kontrol 2 - the h/w MIDI ports don't actually send cc's etc. describing pedal events. On the RK2 they were just there to provide MIDI I/O, and also confuse/anger customers who assumed (I know, the "A" word...) that they would perform their most obvious function.
I have a bit of history with the RK controllers. ::) I owned the RK1 and RK2, and for a few years I faithfully bought every new edition of Guitar Rig. When I got the RK2, I was really let down by the whole MIDI issue. I started posting about this on their forum, and eventually NI came around and said they'd be releasing a driver/applet that would allow the RK2 control signals to be translated to MIDI and routed to DAWs. Sounded too good to be true, but I was cautiously optimistic. After waiting a few months NI delivered the new driver, but reversed on the RK2-to-MIDI promise, indicating that only their newly released (and expensive) RK3 would support MIDI mapping. My RK2 - paid for - was therefore pretty useless to me. I saw red, basically, dug my heels in and said, "That's it - I'm NOT buying another Rig Kontrol from these guys."
But... that was easily 5 years ago now, and I realize that I've been spinning in circles and throwing good money after bad (to make no mention of the hours!) trying to find any real competition for the RK3: an effective bus-powered audio/midi interface built into a guitarist friendly floorboard. I'm incredulous that there aren't a half a dozen of these on the market by now, but instead I find myself continuing to mess around with MIDI floorboards, small audio interfaces, USB hubs, and bizarro DIY projects year after year after year. Much to the detriment of my practice schedule, I might add. A therapist would have a field day with this.
Finally last night (after the noise problem with the Sonuus i2m recurred) it occurred to me, "Why not just try the RK3?" If it works out I'll be thrilled, if it doesn't I'll be completely out of ideas, but either way I'll have to beat myself up for the time I wasted.
(Optimistic though: the NI Audio Kontrol is working great under Win8 with USB 3, and there are similar nods to USB 3 support in the release notes for the latest RK3 drivers. So kudos to NI for staying on top of technology there - a lot of audio companies are neglecting USB3.)
Because I decided to not go live with VG99 and Kemper, I put them together in an open frame rack, the FC300 sits on the bottom frame, the iPad holder from Parts Express attaches to the frame nicely, and I have a rig that is mobile in my basement. I can roll it into the studio section, or roll it into my rehearsal section. The iPad holder also can hold the Quneo perfectly, so I may end up with 2 holders in the future, as I begin to employ the Quneo. Fun, fun, fun!!!
Great, just great. I went and Googled "Quneo", and now I want one. Thanks alot... ;)
hahaha!!! ;D
Step away from the gear, sir!!! ;)
The Quneo will soon be wireless too, with the addition of the Rogue attachment....
It just will never end... :o
QuoteI went and Googled "Quneo", and now I want one. Thanks alot...
Of course you will need the $395 optional wireless sled for Quneo too ;)
KMI Quneo Rogue
http://www.keithmcmillen.com/QuNeo/rogue/ (http://www.keithmcmillen.com/QuNeo/rogue/)
(http://www.keithmcmillen.com/photos-quneo/QuNeo_Rogue-1.jpg)
Wow, the wireless accessory is twice the price of the Quneo itself?!? That's a little rich for my blood. :o
(Though, to be fair, the Quneo was actually a bit cheaper than I'd have guessed.)
Musicman, I forgot about your Bow Case for your guitar . I have an odd ahaped guitar I built , this just might work for me. thanks for reposting. Paul
Quote from: mbenigni on May 02, 2013, 07:41:17 AM
So cool, Paul! I've been meaning to profile my GR55 through a COSM bass guitar setting and COSM bass amp, then see how that sounds with the Kemper drop tuned an octave. Let us know if you beat me to it. Thanks for the new profiles!
I've not profiled any Roland stuff - go for it! If you use the Kemper Pitch -12 with a single coil, into an SVT profile, it will sound pretty good.
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on May 03, 2013, 12:05:59 PM
Musicman, I forgot about your Bow Case for your guitar . I have an odd ahaped guitar I built , this just might work for me. thanks for reposting. Paul
I think I gave $30 for the bow case. You'll have to cut out the pillars in the center with a hack saw....took me all of 5 minutes. I have since filled my case level with "Great Stuff Heavy Duty Crack Filler"....liquid foam available at WalMart. After it dried, I cut it out to fit and then glued in some really fuzzy velvet black checkered cloth. A custom fit and looks pretty lush!
I love DIY stuff and this forum is full of smart people with lots of great ideas!
bd
How many cans of Great Stuff?
Did you spray with just cans of it, or did you use the gun attachment?
I'll past a pic of my bow case tonight....Lol.
Regarding the use of the Great Stuff foam, it was a process. That stuff cures about an inch deep. Any deeper and it stays goo-ey too long. So, apply an inch, wait an hour. Repeat. It took 4 cans I think. If I had to do it again, I'd buy a liquid foam that is mixed during application.
If it ever wears out, I'd make another one immediately. I carry a prewired/v-box tubed mic stand, my Vocal Harmonizer, Strat, extra tubing, roll of velcro, and spare strings in that case. Its great for a working musician that gigs a lot.
bd
Pics of my Plano Bow Case modded as a guitar case.
bd
Quote from: Elantric on May 02, 2013, 02:48:27 PM
Some news for those waiting for a Kemper Footcontroller
(from the creator of the UNO Chip for FCB-1010)
...
Here's an update on the capabilities of the KPA-specific firmware for the FCB1010: Kemper-FCB (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-XLDoL-N90#ws)
Hang onto your FCB1010, in other words. :)
Excellent
Its worth watching the other videos on Ossandust's playlist
https://www.youtube.com/user/ossandust?feature=watch (https://www.youtube.com/user/ossandust?feature=watch)
He is also the same developer of the Gordius Little Giant pedals
http://www.gordius.be/ (http://www.gordius.be/)
I just read my email from Ossendust and watched this. The 2-way communication definitly looks cool. I just hope you'l still be able to control at least one other thing (like GR55)
Is it possible to use a KPA out, in profile mode, into a 13 pin RMC breakout box 1/4" in, then from the 13 pin out of the RMC into a GR__, and out of the GR audio out back into the KPA, for the profiling closed loop, and achieve profiling a synth? I know the KPA will not profile time based effects, but what about oscillators and filters? If I had a breakout box, I would at least try it. What about this, in theory? If possible, then we would have guitar synth without any latency. Any thoughts?
The analog COSM (non MIDI) synth of the VG/GR has no latency (well, no more than the Kemper anyways) since it uses the guitar string as the oscillator.
It would be interesting and possibly useful to attempt to profile a COSM Synth. I don't know if it would fail or not.
bd
Bill Ruppert used a KPA to model a few of his VG-99 patches
If you own a Kemper, download them here and try them
Click here and search on "Ruppert"
http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html (http://kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/175/do/Rig_Exchange_Download.html)
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Quotewhat about oscillators and filters?
I would say, generally speaking: oscillators no, filters yes. Remember that oscillators are definitively time-based; they have a rate characteristic. Filters on the other hand primarily impart EQ/resonance/dynamics, all of which the KPA captures very well. (That said, a simple DSP synth block derived from an analog input, which you might think of as an oscillator, has EQ and resonance characteristics of its own.)
As Elantric points out, Bill has already done some of the sort of work you're considering. (I'm interested in doing the same but I don't have a breakout box, or an extra GK cable I'm willing to cut up.) Just bear in mind that the KPA will only profile one signal path at a time, whereas the VG99/GR55 COSM is capable of applying different DSP to each string. Therefore, you have to begin by choosing your best comprimise, e.g. the third string, and running your signal through that pin only.
musicman is right in that you're not eliminating any latency, but you are moving these timbres (to whatever degree you're successful) into a potentially more convenient package. Once in the KPA, you can use the profile with any standard 1/4" guitar, combine it with the KPA's excellent effects and routing etc. VG99 is already excellent in these regards, but if you're profiling a GR55, these can represent significant "upgrades". :)
See the new user created tool
Kemper Profile Renamer Utility here:
http://www.evergladesaudio.com/blog-evergladesaudio/item/66-kemper-profile-renamer-free (http://www.evergladesaudio.com/blog-evergladesaudio/item/66-kemper-profile-renamer-free)
I have an RMC Breakout Box and live in Murphy, Texas (D-FW area). I also have a VG-8. If anyone with a KPA lives in the area and would like to get together to try some profiling of Roland gear, I'd be up for it.
I'm seriously considering a KPA for my studio. I have to sell some other gear to finance it though.
Steven.
FWIW - There are some VG-99 profiles already available for free on the Kemper Download area
Update on Kemper FCB-1010 Control - June 4, 2013
Hi all,
here's a short status update about the Kemper-FCB firmware :
Soon! Very Soon.
Our friends at Kemper are working really hard to get a major firmware release ready. Within a week or two, v.2.0 will be released, with the long awaited Performance mode as one of the new features.
The Kemper-FCB firmware is very much tuned to support this new performance mode, next to the regular "browse" mode, so we will officially release this dedicated FCB1010 firmware at the same time as the KPA v.2.0 firmware release. So stay tuned, waiting time will be over very soon!
New name!
After talking to the Kemper management, we have decided to change the name for this FCB1010 firmware. Working name was "Kemper-FCB", and corresponding website was www.kemper-fcb.com (http://www.kemper-fcb.com), but this turned out to be too close to the "Kemper-amps" domain name. We want to make it more obvious to everyone that this initiative does not come from Kemper, although we worked together with the Kemper R&D team to get the best possible interaction between FCB1010 and KPA. From now on we will talk about the "UnO for KEMPER" firmware. We released the original "UnO" firmware 6 years ago, as an "UnOfficial" firmware version for the FCB1010. The "UnO for KEMPER" firmware is again such unofficial alternative firmware chip, this time dedicated for controlling the KPA, as you already found out. The kemper-fcb domain will no longer be retained, and we will create the necessary web content as part of the current UnO related website at www.ossandust.be (http://www.ossandust.be) You will be notified as soon as we have the full "UnO for KEMPER" website up and running.
Cool FCB1010 labels!
I'm happy to announce that I worked together with Winnie from http://www.glorope.eu/ (http://www.glorope.eu/) to provide a dedicated glow-in-the-dark label set for the "UnO for KEMPER" modified FCB1010. After configuring all stomp switches the way you prefer, you can add those labels to your floorboard to make it a completely dedicated and cool looking KPA controller. Again, more detail info soon.
Thanks again for your patience, we'll get in touch again asap !
best regards,
Xavier
"UnO for Kemper" developer
Glow in the dark stickers for FCB-1010 running "UnO for Kemper" firmware
http://www.glorope.eu/Afterglow-Labels-Sheets/Stage-Sound/gloSticker-for-FCB1010-operating-Kemper-Profiling-Amp::171.html?XTCsid=7d24384c3d2206a8feea500979102f97 (http://www.glorope.eu/Afterglow-Labels-Sheets/Stage-Sound/gloSticker-for-FCB1010-operating-Kemper-Profiling-Amp::171.html?XTCsid=7d24384c3d2206a8feea500979102f97)
(http://www.glorope.eu/images/product_images/popup_images/171_0.jpg)
(http://www.glorope.eu/images/product_images/popup_images/171_2.jpg)
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gloSticker for FCB1010 operating Kemper Profiling Amp
Product no.: FCB1010-2
A glow in the dark label set tailored to the recommended KPA control set. For upper row "A B C D X" label and for the lower row numbers from 1 to 5 are available. For KPA owners, who have choosen to address 10 rigs per bank, the numbers from 1 to 10 are provided.
Mark the needed voltage to avoid tragic hardware losses on the road abroad, show the UP and DOWN bank switch and mark clearly the setting of the expression pedals. The glow in the dark effect is activated with sun light, day light, artificial light, and UV lights. 20 to 40min in any of the listed light conditions are sufficient to load the harmless phosphorescence pigment with energy. Developed by a KPA/FCB1010 player for KPA/FCB1010 rig owners, it glows about 8 hours. "You never know how long that gig is going!"
The adhesive sheeting sticks to any smooth, dry and clean surface. Some isopropanol helps the tough glue to stick without any doubt. The afterglow dahesive sheeting was tested in various environments: car wash save, saltwater proof, frost save, does not shrink, and is of course beer proof. The glow effect is not consumed and can be used over and over again. What else do you want!
Size 8,6 x 20.8cm
Behringer and FCB1010 are trademarks of Behinger International GmbH and KPA and Kemper are trademarks of Kemper GmbH. No association gloEUrope and the mentioned companies exist and the names are used for identification purposes only.
Just read this on the KPA forum. this is great news. I just hope they maintain the ability to control the Gr55 along with the KPA. And love the glow in the dark stickers, almost ordered the UNO stickers.
FCB1010 is looking better and better. But... has anyone here ever modded one to run on batteries? An AC cord for something as simple as a MIDI footcontroller is deal-breaker for me.
I threw my last FCB away after modding it to death in order to make it a bus-powered controller. At that time the best approach was to use a game-controller IC (APac, I think, was the name) and a software layer to translate to MIDI. All in all I was never quite happy with it, and it was too butchered to sell by the time I was finished. But with this new KPA Uno chip, I'd consider buying another one.
It itches...What is currently the best deal on a KPA or street price, etc?
They had a price increase late last year, so the "KPA deals" of April 2012 are history.
I always recommend contact altomusic.com and inform you are a member of vguitarforums and have them quote you their best price via email.
https://altomusic.com/shop/get-a-price.am
QuoteThey had a price increase late last year, so the "KPA deals" of April 2012 are history.
Ah... I noticed they were asking something like $1900 in the last MF catalog I got in the mail, and just figured MF had lost their minds.
QuoteAh... I noticed they were asking something like $1900 in the last MF catalog I got in the mail, and just figured MF had lost their minds.
FWIW - mine was purchased March 2012 for about $400 less.
But today - I figure $1700 is about as low as it gets.
The new rack version with poweramp is $2550
I admit my KPA only leaves the house on special occasions.
Lately I'm focused on making my Tyler Variax / HD-500 combo work - because often my band must change things up at the last minute and play an all acoustic warm up set - with no warning. And I cringe at the thought of a fan dancing on stage and accidentally damaging a $2K KPA guitar processor
Same here on the price - I might have spent $100 or so more than you, but not more - and that was June or July 2012 if I recall correctly.
there are several mods available that allow you to send power through the midi cable. Paul
Quote from: Elantric on June 05, 2013, 07:37:32 AM
They had a price increase late last year, so the "KPA deals" of April 2012 are history.
I always recommend contact altomusic.com and inform you are a member of vguitarforums and have them quote you their best price via email.
https://altomusic.com/shop/get-a-price.am
Sure glad I got mine Back then. I've been looking for a backup, but they're going used on EBAY for more then I paid. I guess this is both good and bad
Quotethere are several mods available that allow you to send power through the midi cable. Paul
Several FCB-1010 Mods exist
Here is one for Remote power
http://www.voes.be/fcb1010/pdf/fcb1010%20phantom%20power%20adaptor.pdf (http://www.voes.be/fcb1010/pdf/fcb1010%20phantom%20power%20adaptor.pdf)
I know I'm splitting hairs on this one, but I definitely prefer simple battery power - provided there's a battery solution that will hold up for a good duration. Phantom power over MIDI requires another power supply at the source (e.g. behind the KPA) with an AC splitter etc. It's just a small matter of convenience, but I'd rather the FCB be self-powered and self-contained, ready to plug into the KPA (or other MIDI gear) without any other considerations.
Not to say I wouldn't consider a phantom power mod. That would depend on whether Kemper ever comes through with a better dedicated controller at a reasonable price.
Most gear can be adapted to Battery Power,
I use these
http://us.sanyo.com/Pedal-Juice (http://us.sanyo.com/Pedal-Juice)
Should be simple to make the FCB-1010 have battery power. There are many off the shelf DC-DC Switcher PC Boards that allow 4 AA batteries to provide the power source.
Like this one
https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8290 (https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8290)
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5V DC to DC Step Up - VPack PCB
PRT-08290 RoHS Compliant
Description: The is a wonderfully simple 5V power source from Bodhilabs. This PCB uses a source of 1.1V to 4.5V and generates 5V using a DC to DC step up circuit. An empty footprint for a manual or wire jumper is provided on the unit to connect and disconnect power to the circuit. Perfect for all those 5V applications that need to be small, and run on less than 300mA from a variety of power cells.
Specifications:
Voltage regulation: +5V +/-3%
Typical current: 300mA or less.
Typical ripple: 150mV peak-peak (*) @ 135kHz
Thanks, Steve. I just bookmarked the Pedal-Juice (again). It's a little pricey, but I would love to have one for my GR55.
JRR shop has b stock white Kemper for $1549 that's cheaper then used on eBay . Paul
The next time Musicians Friend has a Percentage off sale, call Elantric's suggestion, or send them an email, and include your phone number. They give their best deals over the phone. I got mine after the price increase, and it was a new one for a B stock price.
UNO4Kemper firmware and glow in dark labels for FCB-1010 are now shipping
http://www.uno4kemper.com/ (http://www.uno4kemper.com/)
Quote from: Elantric on June 13, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
UNO4Kemper firmware and glow in dark labels for FCB-1010 are now shipping
http://www.uno4kemper.com/ (http://www.uno4kemper.com/)
Thanks Elantric!
Looks great—now I need to figure out how to do "surgery" on my FCB1010! ;)
Orren
When my kit arrives I will shoot a few pics and do a post on the UNO4Kemper installation.
Its rather straightforward.
The FCB-1010 has its ROM mounted in a plug in socket.
The UNO4Kemper Installation procedure is
1) Remove the FCB-1010 bottom screws and bottom chassis plate
2) Ground yourself to prevent ESD damage, and locate the old FCB-1010 ROM IC chip on the internal PC board and carefully remove
3) Carefully straighten the pins on UNO4Kemper ROM IC and be Careful
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4) Re-attach bottom Chassis plate, and reinstall screws.
5) Apply the glow in dark stick on labels
6) Done
Details on typical FCB-1010 ROM Upgrade procedure here:
http://www.ossandust.be/files/Upgrade_Manual_FCB1010_Rev_A.pdf (http://www.ossandust.be/files/Upgrade_Manual_FCB1010_Rev_A.pdf)
Quote from: Elantric on June 13, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
UNO4Kemper firmware and glow in dark labels for FCB-1010 are now shipping
http://www.uno4kemper.com/ (http://www.uno4kemper.com/)
I was looking forward to this :P. But can't control GR55 , but can't control Gr55 with the KPA. Now I guess I can't ue=se the cool Glow in the Dark stickers :(
Orren, as Elantric shows, It's a very simple operation. Paul
http://www.uno4kemper.com/uno4kemper_downloads.php (http://www.uno4kemper.com/uno4kemper_downloads.php)
Looks like the UNO4KEMPER Eprom implements a Floor Tuner in the FCB-1010 :)
Read all about it here:
http://www.uno4kemper.com/UnOforKemper_manual.pdf (http://www.uno4kemper.com/UnOforKemper_manual.pdf)
Today the UnO for KEMPER firmware EPROM is by far the most cost effective way to get hold of a dedicated foot controller for your Kemper Profiling Amp. Indeed, this firmware EPROM, which was designed in full cooperation with the Kemper R&D team, turns your Behringer FCB1010 floorboard into a dedicated controller for the KPA. The advantages of such dedicated controller, compared to the regular FCB1010, are:
No programming required! Power on and get started. It's as simple as that.
Customizable if needed. With a simple 2-click procedure you specify which stomp switches you want on the floorboard.
Full 2-way communication with the KPA: the stomp LEDs reflect the correct effect states at all time!
The KPA tuner is controlled from the FCB1010 and shown on the FCB1010 display!
Quote from: Elantric on June 20, 2013, 11:44:44 AM
http://www.uno4kemper.com/uno4kemper_downloads.php (http://www.uno4kemper.com/uno4kemper_downloads.php)
Looks like the UNO4KEMPER Eprom implements a Floor Tuner in the FCB-1010 :)
Read all about it here:
http://www.uno4kemper.com/UnOforKemper_manual.pdf (http://www.uno4kemper.com/UnOforKemper_manual.pdf)
Today the UnO for KEMPER firmware EPROM is by far the most cost effective way to get hold of a dedicated foot controller for your Kemper Profiling Amp. Indeed, this firmware EPROM, which was designed in full cooperation with the Kemper R&D team, turns your Behringer FCB1010 floorboard into a dedicated controller for the KPA. The advantages of such dedicated controller, compared to the regular FCB1010, are:
No programming required! Power on and get started. It's as simple as that.
Customizable if needed. With a simple 2-click procedure you specify which stomp switches you want on the floorboard.
Full 2-way communication with the KPA: the stomp LEDs reflect the correct effect states at all time!
The KPA tuner is controlled from the FCB1010 and shown on the FCB1010 display!
Unfortunatly It will not allow control of another device :'(
My UNO4KPA kit just arrived and I installed last night - FINALLY I CAN USE MY KPA AT A GIG !!
QuoteUnfortunatly It will not allow control of another device
You just have to get creative.
THe UNO4KPA FCB-1010 requires 2 midi cables for full Bi-DI communication between Kemper and FCB-1010.
Insert a MIDI Thru box between FCB-1010 MIDI Out - and use a MIDI Monitor to "Sniff" the MIDI Traffic, and document the various MIDI Patch change commands (for lower 5 switches) and MIDI CC# commands (for upper 5 switches), and two expressions pedals and Tap Tempo.
Once the MIDI data traffic is documented, then simply use the MIDI CC# Control Assignment on a VG-99 or GR-55, and Map the Roland units FX you want to toggle to the UNO4KEMPER FCB-1010's MIDI CC# commands (for upper 5 switches). Set the Roland unit to the same MIDI channel and Patch changes should work in unison for the first 127 presets. Stay tuned.
Uno and Kemper missed it on this one. Neither provides control for other gear. I have requested that Kemper add a user-defined MIDI PC# Transmit stored per rig. UNO needs to allow addressing of CC#'s to other devices by address.
As it is, using a VG99 with KPA, using the VG99 as the "master" and sending a PC# stored in the VG99 patch to select a KPA Rig is the better path.
I refuse to have more than one MIDI foot controller in front of me! It ultimately comes down to real estate.
bd
Elantric, That certainly sounds like a way to go. But also sounds more complicated. I'm looking forward to your assessment of the new software and why you think it will now make the KPA usable for you live. Ive been using mine live withe the GR55 and stock UNO for over a year. But admit the few alternate tuning things I do , I do completely in the GR55. In my opinion COSM not nearly as good as KPA, but workable. Paul
I refuse to have more than one MIDI foot controller in front of me! It ultimately comes down to real estate.
bd
I can't agree with you more
A new KPA MIDI Control app is in beta - Win/OSX
http://www.evergladesaudio.com/blog-evergladesaudio/item/86-kpa-midi-control-pre-beta-released (http://www.evergladesaudio.com/blog-evergladesaudio/item/86-kpa-midi-control-pre-beta-released)
(http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp208/elantric/Capture_zps5be4e15f.png)
http://youtu.be/x4bDVjHl91I (http://youtu.be/x4bDVjHl91I)
YOU CAN DOWNLOAD NOW FREE! GET THE EDITOR NOW!
Updates, VST and MAC versions will be only for premium subscribers.
FEATURES:
- You can control almost 90% of the functions/parameters of your Kemper.
- Automatic detection of the MIDI interfaces connected in your PC.
- MIDI LEARN function, right-click each knob, and move the knob on you controller surface to progam it. Double right-click to erase the program.
- Preset Manager: The preset manager included is just for saving your knob positions in the app, it does not load the positions/parameters in your kemper.
- KPA RENAMER integration. With the button SEND near the preset manager, you can send the preset name to your Kemper, so there's no need for the KPA Renamer anymore!.
HOW IT WORKS:
You will need a midi interface with MIDI OUT at this time. When bidirectional communication goes up (on this app), you will need also to connect your MIDI IN.
This app can't get parameters from the unit at this time, so it doesn't know what is loaded in your Kemper. You can select your desired amp and cab manually in your Kemper, and use this editor to start tweaking your sound.
There are no STORE MIDI function, so you always must PRESS STORE in your Kemper in order to save your sound.
PRESETS MANAGEMENT:
The preset manager included in this app, doesn't "sync" with your Kemper presets. This preset manager works using MIDI, so you have the 127 preset limitation, and the read/send SYSEX (will work on this to enable the LOAD FROM KEMPER/SEND TO KEMPER buttons, so you can work like AXE EDIT does), only works with your presets assigned to midi in your Kemper configuration now.
The workarounds I'am using are the following:
Just use the app to tweak any preset from your Kemper (selecting it mannualy in your unit with your BROWSE WEEL), when you are happy with your sound, press STORE.
or...
Assign your favourite presets to MIDI positions using your Kemper MIDI assignments, and then tweak them with this app. This way, the parameters showed in this app, will match the ones in your Kemper, as you are using the 127 MIDI presets in your Kemper and also the same in this app. You can save all presets in this app preset manager, to keep them matched allways with your Kemper.
SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS:
Your Kemper needs to be updated to 2.0 in order to all the functions work properly.
It works under WINDOWS, tested on WIN7, but this should work under XP, VISTA, and W8.
This app need at least 800Mb of RAM free at this moment. I will work to reduce it at about 80% less. This is my priority now.
RELEASE NOTES:
This editor depends on the MIDI support from the unit. The parameters that doesn't have been mapped, obviously can't be controlled at this moment.
Here is a list of the parameters that I can't find info about because the lack of documentation:
Detune in micropitch is not working (no RNPN MIDI adress found).
Formant Shift parameter from pedal pitch seems to have a bug, not responding properly.
Smooth Chords in Pedal Pitch not working?
Chromatic pitch and Harmonic pitch seems like doesn't have MIDI adresses, not supported right now.
There is no STORE function with MIDI right now, so there is no way to do that, you need to press STORE always in your Kemper.
Some knobs still don't show properly the values, like the EQ FREQ, and some STEPS (timing).
PERFORMANCE MODE is not supported yet.
Graphics optimization: Actually there are too many knobs and I have to optimize the way this app loads them, because they are taking so much RAM for that.
Notes about bidirectional communication:
There is no bidirectional MIDI communication coded on this release.
I will work on that, but this is a hard challenge that will take some time.
I want to say thanks to Troglouditte for his help on midi NRNP stuff!
New Effects in Kemper 2.0
Rig Pack coming soon.
Kemper Pure Tone and Formant Shift
Kemper Profiler Pitch Shifter Pure Tuning Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-UVt9fXaWs#ws)
Kemper Profiler Formant Shift Demo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PWlQAJZGto#ws)
Great clips Bill! I especially like the synth-like tones you can coax out of it. Inspiring!
Orren
The Formant shift is really impressive!!
Bill, saw these on the KPA forum last week. I'm always impressed with your ability to make things so clear. Thanks Paul
Brilliant! The most unique cover of a Kraftwerk piece I've ever heard. That's just awesome how it smooths out all the roughness. GREAT DEMO! And the baritone demo is beautiful. McLaughlin would be all over it.
Thanks Bill - Excellent demonstrations, my man...
Just wanted to hip the Kemper guys to this product, which I think pairs exceptionally well with the KPA for practice or moderate-volume performance (louder than I expected from a box this size!)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3207.msg64955#msg64955 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3207.msg64955#msg64955)
The KPA Wiki page is growing as a nice resource
http://www.wikpa.org/Main_Page (http://www.wikpa.org/Main_Page)
Quote from: Elantric on July 17, 2013, 11:42:29 AM
The KPA Wiki page is growing as a nice resource
http://www.wikpa.org/Main_Page (http://www.wikpa.org/Main_Page)
Yes, It's a nice fusion between Viobrace's work and what Martin has done
Well, Bill's demos definitively convinced me that it is the best amp simulator these days.
It covers all the sounds I need from electric guitar and bass, now the only thing I miss
is an electric sitar. Has somebody a profile which could be a sitar, like used in the 70es
in the R&B scene?
I discovered a bug with 2.0.1, that causes a nasty loud noise when switching programs in performance mode, using midi patch changes. Even though it is an intermittent problem, support was quick to verify the new bug, after they had me send a backup zip file of my rack unit, and they duplicated it there. They told me the next firmware was a high priority, to remedy this. Buy with confidence, as the support team reacted faster than any other company I have had to deal with over the years. They are very quick and efficient!!!
Needless to say, I am super impressed with this company!
Hi Djordje!
Hope your well, long time since we talked.
I profiled the VG-99 Sitar and got close but not good enough.
I should go back and take a re look.
Stay well.
Bill
Quote from: GeePeeAxe on July 20, 2013, 05:13:57 AM
Well, Bill's demos definitively convinced me that it is the best amp simulator these days.
It covers all the sounds I need from electric guitar and bass, now the only thing I miss
is an electric sitar. Has somebody a profile which could be a sitar, like used in the 70es
in the R&B scene?
Hi Bill and everybody else!
I already sold my VG-99, cause I used a Mesa Boogie Triaxis mostly for electric
sounds, with a couple of virtual amps and a small guitar-combo. For the seldom
playing of acoustic guitars I use real guitars. Actually my attention is focused on
dedicated lead guitar sounds, like S. Morse, Petrucci, Santana, E. Johnson etc.
There are not many processors on the market that come close to these sounds.
Axe-FX and Kemper? Listening to samples and videos on utube my impression is
that the KPA could be the best for me. I like the "brighter sound" very much, it
cuts better trought the mix, I think so... Any other opinions?
BTW.: Hope you are well too! Unfortunatelly in the age og 56 I've got some problems
with high blood pressure. Now I must take some pills and everyting is OK. Quitted
smoking and drinking alc. a long time ago... Now only it's music and love that makes
me happy. Take good care of your health and be well!
WOW that demo really did blow my mind Bill !!
to the point that now i'm considering getting a Kemper , which it never wanted to have ... damn you ! haha ;D
i didn't know that the Kemper have smart harmonizer , but i have to say that with that Pure Tunning thing , it sounds way better than the one in the hd500 ...
the formant shift is an interesting feature too , it gets an interesting emulation of a bass ... i wonder if it could be use to emulate an acoustic guitar for instance .
GeePeeAxe, go for it , I don't think you'll be dissapointed. I've had it for over a year and It's still the best piece of gear I've ever bought. Paul
There is a Sitar Pitch effect preset in the v.20 software:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kuiyfa6mr6jn22u/Sitar%2001.mp3?v=0mcn (https://www.dropbox.com/s/kuiyfa6mr6jn22u/Sitar%2001.mp3?v=0mcn)
Thanks everybody for the help. I will buy a KPA when I go to western Europe this autumn.
Now I am in the Mediterrains, here is not much choise of the electric-guitar stuff. Djordje
http://www.wikpa.org/Factory_Rigs (http://www.wikpa.org/Factory_Rigs)
This list of Factory Rigs on our Wiki is now sortable by Rig Name, Amp Name, Cabinet Name & Mic Name.
http://youtu.be/9t4hNhJxwSE (http://youtu.be/9t4hNhJxwSE)
Bill Ruppert demonstrates some of the rigs from his Signature Rig pack for the Kemper Profiler that is available as a free download from the Kemper website.
Bill - I love your take on the Holdsworth thing - awesome! I'd love to see your fingerings for that "finger buster".
The Cathedral is something else too. Space toy! = WOW!
You're sure getting your money's worth out of that extended range guitar!
Great, as usual! I cannot find the Holdsworthy rig. Anyone seen it?
Thanks guys!
The rig pack will be up on the Kemper download page.
It is not up there yet but I hope soon!
They have it, its just a matter of posting it.
Bill
QuoteThe Cathedral is something else too. Space toy! = WOW!
Took the words out of my mouth. :)
Update to KPA Tag Editor
https://www.gitorious.org/kipr_tag_editor (https://www.gitorious.org/kipr_tag_editor)
(https://www.gitorious.org/kipr_tag_editor/kipr_tag_editor/blobs/raw/1142f907c68627e2eef65df2ec19acee6735d8cf/images/kiprte_windows7.png)
This is cool. I can't ait to check it out
Bill, I'm waiting with bated breath. I can't wait to try them. thanks Paul
Thanks Steve, I missed this. Paul
Hi Paul.
The Rig Pack is up on the Kemper site now.
Log in - click Downloads, Products: KPA, then choose "Rig Packs"
Review of EverGlades Audio Editor for Kemper
http://www.tonymckenzie.com/kemper-midi-program-everglades-audio-review.htm (http://www.tonymckenzie.com/kemper-midi-program-everglades-audio-review.htm)
(http://www.tonymckenzie.com/Site/images/images-2013/KPA-midi-editor-everglades-audio.png)
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Myself, regarding the Kemper - I'm in the camp of those who feel let down that after 2 years - these issue remain:
* Kemper still lacks an official foot controller. The KPA UNO FCB-1010 is not ideal since its not expandable and can not control other gear in a system.
* The patch organization remains a kludge IMHO , and mentioning on the KPA forum that you want an official Win/Mac based KPA patch editor / organizer will make you a target of derision with the response "Real men do not need an Editor / Organizer"
* Even with latest firmware, many of my KPA controls remain "non functional" - while we await yet another firmware update. Perhaps in 2014 there will be 100% working controls, but i fear that will occur the same day they announce the "new Kemper II with more DSP horsepower"
http://youtu.be/32kBaZFPzHs (http://youtu.be/32kBaZFPzHs)
http://youtu.be/-uWjdGfGWIQ (http://youtu.be/-uWjdGfGWIQ)
I own a Kemper (about 3 months) and have gigged with it. All I can say is awesome. I have used more amps/etc than I like to admit. This is a keeper... Now if they would only get the darn fort controller released...
I am now thinking of adding GR55 with custom Carvin guitar. Using Kemper for guitar and GR for synth. Anyone else doing this?
I plan to buy a KPA in the year 2014 and use it paralell with an Axon based synth rack.
Maybe a Fishman TP will replace the Axon, but I am not sure about this...
My guess is that a regular Behringer FCB1010 will be good enough to change patches
in the KPA and to control 2 parameters in realtime via integrated pedals. Don't need
more than 100 patches for gigging or practice at home. I think it is practical to keep things simple.
Djordje
Read the recently released KPA MIDI Spec. You will need a controller that suppports NRPN (which stock FCB1010 lacks.) to access all KPA controls.
(see attached)
hmmmm... this is really strange!
On the Kemper-amp website they state following:
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FAQ:
How to control my Kemper Profiler remotely e. g. via MIDI?
In Browse mode You can assign up to 128 program change numbers to rigs and load those via MIDI. In Performance mode 125 Performances with 5 Slots each have fixed assignments. There are two methods available to adress these.
In addition the following control change numbers are currently available:
#1 Wah Pedal
#4 Pitch Pedal
#7 Volume Pedal
#16 All Stomps Invert
#17 Stomp A on/off
#18 Stomp B on/off
#19 Stomp C on/off
#20 Stomp D on/off
#22 Stomp X on/off*
#24 Stomp MOD on/off
#26 Delay on/off (cuts tail)
#27 Delay on/off (keeps tail)
#28 Reverb on/off (cuts tail)
#29 Reverb on/off (keeps tail)
#30 Tap Tempo
#31 Tuner Select
#33 Rotary Speaker (slow/fast)
#48 Performance up
#49 Performance down
#50 Slot 1 of current Performance
#51 Slot 2 of current Performance
#52 Slot 3 of current Performance
#53 Slot 4 of current Performance
#54 Slot 5 of current Performance
#68 Delay Mix
#69 Delay Feedback
#70 Reverb Mix
#71 Reverb Time
#72 Gain
#73 Monitor Volume
Beside MIDI you can control many parameters plus rig up and down with any combination of up to two mono, stereo switches and expression boards directly connected to the Profiler.
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GeePeeAxe again:
If it works, I could control KPA in a manner like I do it with Amplitube
or like I used the VG-99 with FCB1010. This seems to be quite enough for me.
Djordje
QuoteFAQ:
How to control my Kemper Profiler remotely e. g. via MIDI?
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/188/do/FAQ.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/188/do/FAQ.html)
Realize the MIDI control of KPA has been a moving target, for the past 18 months - very dependent on which KPA firmware version is loaded.
Not saying what you posted is wrong - but I would only trust the info in the Profiler MIDI control doc from July, 27 2013 listed here for a more complete picture of KPA MIDI Control:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=8457 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=8457)
or
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/id/27/cat/30/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/id/27/cat/30/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Kemper Profiler MIDI Parameter Documentation
The Kemper Profiler features more than 400 parameters. Of course, you can't address them all with a standard MIDI controller message, where only 128 parameters can be addressed.
Therefor the Kemper Profiler supports the NRPN (Non Registered Parameter Numbers) protocol additionally to the proprietary SYSEX protocol.
While the standard MIDI functionality is already described in the Reference Manual this English document digs even deeper and focuses in particular on NRPN and SYSEX protocols.
This download is always the latest version.
The info is on their FAQ page:
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/188/do/FAQ.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/188/do/FAQ.html)
One issue with Kemper docs is they are often stale or incorrect.
For example the instructions to perform KPA firmware update remain incorrect ( must load latest KAOS.BIN file into the root directory of USB thumb drive - not the "UPDATE OS" folder
I would only trust the info in the Profiler MIDI control doc from July, 27 2013 listed here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=8457 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=8457)
And the MIDI Control section (starting on Page 80) of the doc: "Kemper Profiler: The Deeper View and Reference Manual "
and
http://www.wikpa.org/MIDI (http://www.wikpa.org/MIDI)
http://www.wikpa.org/Main_Page (http://www.wikpa.org/Main_Page)
I've been using Kemper and Gr55 setup live for about 2 yrs with a FCB1010 /UNO as a controller... Works and sounds awesome
New version of UNO4Kemper
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12213&pageNo=1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12213&pageNo=1)
Here are the details about the new firmware. I assume the information on the uno4kemper.com site will get an update soon:
"What's new in this firmware ? A number of changes were done in order to improve the expression pedal behavior of the FCB1010. After a lot of finetuning and testing, the "hysteresis" is now reduced to a minimum, which means that the slightest movement of the pedal will now cause the volume or wah to respond, while earlier versions required some more pedal movement before the adjustment kicked in. Along with that change, also the adjustment resolution has been improved. But the most important add-on of firmware v.1.2 is the possibility to choose the "sweep curve" for each of the 2 pedals independently. Up till now the FCB1010 expression pedals showed a more or less linear behavior, which is far from optimal for volume or wah adjustment. A volume pedal normally uses a logarithmic "audio taper", and a wah pedal typically has something between audio taper and linear taper. WIth the new firmware, you have 5 different sweep curves to choose from , going gradually from linear to audio taper. You will notice that this results in a far more natural volume and wah adjustment.
I didn't have the time yet to extend the user manual, but by the time you receive your chip, please check our website for a new manual, which mentions how to configure the 2 expression pedal sweep curves. "
Q: Do I get free updates of the firmware?
A: No. Unfortunately the FCB1010 doesn't support firmware downloads over USB or alike. The only way to update the firmware is by replacing the old PROM with a new one. Therefore you will need to buy a new PROM when you want to update an older version.
Q: OK, but I just bought your firmware and now I notice that an update is available?!
A: Frustrating. Therefore we will give a 50% reduction (8 Euro instead of 16 Euro) when you order a firmware update within 1 month after purchasing an older version. Just proceed with the order and contact us through email. We will do a 50% PayPal refund.
http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guitars/namm-2014-kemper-announces-rigmanager-software-592272 (http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/guitars/namm-2014-kemper-announces-rigmanager-software-592272)
New Rig Manager software announced for KPA. PC version Q1, Mac version in 2014.
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(http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/Product%20News/Guitar/Jan14/kemper-rigmanager-630-80.jpg)
Kemper Amps, the company behind the multi award winning Kemper Profiler guitar amplifier today announced RigManager.
RigManager allows to preview, tag and manage the thousands of rigs available for the Kemper Profiler. Equipped with extensive sort and search features, RigManger helps to find the right tone in no time and allows the guitarist to concentrate on his performance.
RigManager also seamlessly integrates with RigExchange, a cloud storage system that thousands of Kemper Profiler users utilize to store their personal rigs and share them with the Kemper Profiler user community.
RigManager is free of charge and available during Q1 2014. A Mac version will be released later this year.
To learn more about RigManager, point your browser to: http://kemper-amps.com/rigmanager (http://kemper-amps.com/rigmanager)
RigManager Basics
One single application for windows acts as a content hub for the Kemper Profiler
Rigs from within the Profiler, the local hard drive, USB sticks, backups and RigExchange can be searched, previews and tagged in groups or individually
Only one simple USB connection needed, RigManager talks directly with the Kemper Profiler
Applications
Completely backup the Kemper Profiler
Download and preview rigs from RigExchange. Currently nearly 4000 rigs from users available
Sort rigs on local hard drive in groups and folders
Import rigs from third parties by drag and drop
Preview thousands of rigs by simply moving the cursor on screen, mark rigs as favorite rigs conveniently
Tag rigs individually and in groups. The better the tagging, the easier you find the rigs
Search for specific gain settings ("++++" searches for a gain around 4)
Outlook
Rate rigs with a simple 5 stars system directly on the Kemper Profiler. RigExchange utilises user ratings to display score of a rig. Only rigs you have previewed can be rated.
Update your Kemper Profiler using RigManager
Mac version in 2014
Cool - finally a patch librarian, only 18 months late!
I still "ding" Kemper for not having a KPA Editor and VSTi/AU control panel though.
(which seems odd since its the same engineering team that created the Axcess Virus TI)
Everyone works in different ways, but in my case I'm often stuck somewhere without my gear - but only a laptop. With the VG-99, thanks to the Editor, i can edit and create new VG-99 patches offline - with no VG-99 hardware present, mostly because I understand the controls of most FX - so I can make a 3 sets worth of presets using the Editor - and know I'm in the ballpark - then make final tweaks when I finally get to be near my VG-99.
I know many users of AXE-FX who make changes / adjustments in a similar paradigm to the above scenario between gigs in the tour bus with just a laptop.
Quote from: Elantric on January 23, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
Cool - finally a patch librarian, only 18 months late!
I see in the left sidebar menu there are nodes for both "local library" and "My Profiler". I wonder if this means the KPA can be connected directly to the PC, allowing you to drag/drop and audition profiles without copying them over via USB thumbdrive. I'd really love to be able to pare down the number of profiles on my KPA, and audition new ones more directly from the online Rig Exchange.
Only one simple USB connection needed, RigManager talks directly with the Kemper Profiler
YES!!!
That is great news! This should have been an option from day one.
Cool 8) been waiting for this to catalog rigs ;D
Quote from: Elantric on January 23, 2014, 11:04:29 AM
Only one simple USB connection needed, RigManager talks directly with the Kemper Profiler
YES!!!
+1000... Been waiting so long
Very happy to read about this. After they get the Mac software done, I hope they expand rig manager to include editor functionality.
Cheers,
jayson
I will be getting a KPA rack version in the next few weeks. I can only speculate; I can't speak from experience. I do see Elantric's point of off line editing. However, I wonder just how useful an editor function would be, when editing in real time.
Consider that the editing process (at this point) requires that you play the profile while you make adjustments to it with the knobs on the KPA. How much more user friendly would it be to do the same with a mouse?
An AU or VST implementation would be more useful to me. Imagine smoothly fading in a different profile on a lead line. Being able to easily automate changes in profiles would be awesome.
I have Macs and a PC, so I won't be limited until the Mac version of RigManager is released. I use Parallels to run Windows 7 on my Macs, so I'll try running RigManager that way to see if it works. I expect that this will work, based on my experiences with other Windows software.
Quote from: Elantric on January 23, 2014, 10:00:15 AM
I know many users of AXE-FX who make changes / adjustments in a similar paradigm to the above scenario between gigs in the tour bus with just a laptop.
Not any more (at least with the Axe-FX II). Axe-Edit 3.0 has become an RPC-based patch editor (i.e. it gets all the information about each effect block from the Axe itself, rather than having it distributed with the program, and instructs the Axe to make changes to patches rather than performing those changes against a copy of the patch on the PC and pushing that back to the unit) and as such, can't be used to create or edit patches when disconnected from the Axe-FX unit.
This has plus sides though, it means every new firmware update doesn't break Axe-Edit, as Axe-Edit can simply poll the Axe for changes to amp models, and other FX block types. This was a real problem previously; when a new firmware update came out that Axe-Edit didn't specifically support, it would often lead to corrupt patches being saved by Axe-Edit.
I was a bit disappointed when I figured out that there is no official signal flow graph for KPA. I believe that picture says much more than words, so I decided to do it for my personal use.
I hope that someone else will be of benefit.
Sergio,
This is fantastic work!
Thank you for sharing this important Kemper Information.
:o Impressive work, thanks.
Wow That is a thing of beauty!
Thanks you!!
And call me dumb - but I still have not managed to figure out how to remote control my Kempers Stomp FX remotely with a MIDI controller - even using an FCB-1010 with UNNO4KEMPER ROM. Should be pure plug and play - but theres always some "secret handshake" (like "Hold these two buttons down during power up") required that I'm just missing. Elantric
Paul wrote>
Quote
Curious what effects control problem you are having with your Kemper. What, other then stomp on/off, wa/pich, are you trying to control. Paul
I admit I'm the victim of too little time in front of my tools - just need to read the manuals when Im away from my gear - I find when i plug into my Kemper I get lost in the wonderful tone and cruising through my 1000's of presets - while not fully grasping all the underlying user controls. Part of this is the fact that many of these controls have been a moving target in that past 2 years - Performance Mode was only recently (too me) enabled with a firmware update - and many formerly non functional controls are now functional thanks to the last few KPA firmware updates in the past 6 months.
And I'll be damned if I can find any info, user guide, or video that walks you through how to program Stomp FX on/ off in the Kemper and assign them to MIDi CC# control
I'll add IMHO the KPA manual to me is 80% abysmal narrative on how wonderful the KPA is - with very little hands on examples on how to perform the operations I need at live gigs. and if I thought the KPA Pedal Board and a KPA Editor were going to be MIA and not exist after 2 years - i probably should have put the funds into an Axe-FX+ MFC-101
I'm more visually oriented - show me a step by step guide with circles and arrows on what to press in the exact order - and i can lean to do this myself
I'm still trying to wrap my brain on the KPA audio signal flow (Thanks Sergio! ) -
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=8809 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=8809)
I guess this may not matter to some - but I find the "official Kemper docs dreadfully annoying
I hate to say it but the Zoom G3 has a better owners Manual describing and teaching owners how to use all the features
and i have my own learning curve - which explains why i often prefer to buy "last years older model on sale" - that has all the bugs documented - instead of being a beta tester - get comfy with the operation -then during a spontaneous moment perform a firmware update, only to find I have to "unlearn" the old, and relearn the "new" - but it totally interrupts my whole work flow.
I just need a week of vacation to get more time to use my tools, instead the hour here or there during the week.
I have to agree the Kemper owners manual pretty much sucks and I agree about being visual.
Ive been using a FCB1010( with stock UNO chip) to switch patches and control effects on/off for allmost 2 years now and if you assign it correctly the LEds even correspond. I'm still using the old ripwerxs programmer to assign the PCs and CCs as well.
I didn't switch to uno for Kemper, because I need to control my GR55 live as well.
Im currenty working on a one box on rollers setup to be able to rollin my KPA, GR55, Atomic CLR, and FCB1010 pre-wired along with a mic stand and guitar and be setup in 5 minuits instesd of 15-20. 1 power cord, 13pin/1/4inch cable snake, and 2 XLR cablesnake to PA ;D 8)
Kemper dropped the ball early on by including a printed manual that was written around their intended design, as opposed to the features delivered with (then) current firmware. Half of what's in there was only recently implemented, and the other half has since changed. And now it can be hard to locate a single source of documentation corresponding with any given revision of firmware - there's a manual here, an addendum there, a MIDI spec there... All of these should be organized into one document and zipped up with the firmware images when they're posted to the Kemper website.
And yeah, an official footcontroller would be nice by now. I'm skeptical that it will ever be released.
There is an unofficial Wiki that is a good source of knowledge for the KPA. Their forum is helpful at times but frankly, the average kpa user is fairly low tech and many are first time modeler users so the advice is all over the place!
Quote from: musicman65 on April 21, 2014, 12:29:43 PM
There is an unofficial Wiki that is a good source of knowledge for the KPA. Their forum is helpful at times but frankly, the average kpa user is fairly low tech and many are first time modeler users so the advice is all over the place!
Musicman, You are spot on there. Like here it's a nice civel forum , but as you say not alot of high tech content there. the WIKI is a little all over the place as well, but at least a nice attempt to saddle the info
I suspect my main issue is I need to find time to just sit in front of it for a full day with the latest KPA Manuals and Addendums and a MIDi Monitor and a good MIDI Footcontroller, and baby step myself through the operations - and shoot my own training video of how a 2014 Kemper works - while I "unlearn" how the the 2012 version KPA worked ;)
and find time to watch these
http://youtu.be/VkxU6E_124E (http://youtu.be/VkxU6E_124E)
Watch the video above - Back in 2012, My Kemper used to work as described in video above - but after latest firmware many of these operations changed.
I find from an operational standpoint - I keep wanting to " tap" the KPA front panel FX buttons expecting them to toggle FX on / off, but instead this just takes me to the stomp editor on the LCD screen. Individual FX on/off must be buried in a hierarchical menu tree - really annoying due to my pilot error
I also just got the Eureka Prom - with the goal of using my FCB-1010 to control more that just the Kemper alone ( a problem with the UNO4KEMPER PROM)
http://youtu.be/VHP3_RddiCE (http://youtu.be/VHP3_RddiCE)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/1102014/1398110303_653433264_KPA_Eureka.PNG)
Elantric , please post how you like the Eureka chip. I've been using a reg UNO chip with my Kemper and Gr55 for a couple of years now with good success. Paul
QuoteI find from an operational standpoint - I keep wanting to " tap" the KPA front panel FX buttons expecting them to toggle FX on / off, but instead this just takes me to the stomp editor on the LCD screen. Individual FX on/off must be buried in a hierarchical menu tree - really annoying due to my pilot error
There is a system setting that toggles between one behavior and the other. Unfortunately I forget it's name... something like quick edit or something like that. When enabled, it will bring you straight to deep editing for stomps, when disabled, it will just toggle stomps on and off (my preference.) I'll take a look tonight and see if I can get you the name and location of the setting.
QuoteThere is a system setting that toggles between one behavior and the other. Unfortunately I forget it's name... something like quick edit or something like that. When enabled, it will bring you straight to deep editing for stomps, when disabled, it will just toggle stomps on and off (my preference.) I'll take a look tonight and see if I can get you the name and location of the setting.
Bingo - I suspect I have accidentally redefined my Stomp FX On/Off buttons to "Deep Editing" mode instead by mistake:
That button is in the system settings and is called DIRECT EDIT.
QuoteBingo - I suspect I have accidentally redefined my Stomp FX On/Off buttons to "Deep Editing" mode instead by mistake:
It's easy to make that change by mistake - if you restore someone else's back up, for instance, it will include their preference and overwrite yours. May also be true of firmware upgrades.
I fortunately have not had any firmware updates change my settings, except for how MIDI assigns appear. But is certainly easy to change settings by accident
Sneak peak of the 2015 Kemper II
(http://www.radioblvd.com/morepix/mcmurdo6.jpg)
Actually a 1937 McMurdo Silver Radio
http://www.radioblvd.com/ConsolePhoto.htm (http://www.radioblvd.com/ConsolePhoto.htm)
This is fun too
http://www.radiostratosphere.com/ (http://www.radiostratosphere.com/)
http://www.radiostratosphere.com/zsite/photo-gallery.html (http://www.radiostratosphere.com/zsite/photo-gallery.html)
Woah. That McMurdo looks significantly more expensive than a KPA.
Awesome, My bass player will love this as he collects old radios. Thanks
I've been waiting to hear forum members impressions of the KPA Rig Manager. Nothing has been posted yet. I'd really like to get forum members' likes and dislikes on the editor.
Quote from: scratch17 on June 23, 2014, 05:10:03 PM
I've been waiting to hear forum members impressions of the KPA Rig Manager. Nothing has been posted yet. I'd really like to get forum members' likes and dislikes on the editor.
I LOVE it!
I hope they offer an OSX version of KPA Rig Manager soon
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Agree With Bill ;D
Quote from: Elantric on June 23, 2014, 05:30:42 PM
I hope they offer an OSX version of KPA Rig Manager soon
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
I agree with Elantric as well
OK. I've got the info I needed. I'm going for it.
I have two Macs (iMac 2011 i7, MacBook Pro 2011 i7), and a PC. I use the Macs for making music and the PC for multimedia play in my home theater. I can live with the editor as PC only for now, but I agree, I want OS X support.
Should I get the FCB-1010 with the Uno upgrade, or should I wait for Kemper to release a dedicated foot switch?
If you are using a GR55 or VG99, you could opt to set the KPA to follow your existing devices program change via MIDI. There are several using Roland COSM based gear "in front" and "in parallel" with their Kemper....best of both worlds.
If you are only using the Kemper and nothing else - then the UNO4KEMPER ROM for FCB1010 works well
http://www.uno4kemper.com/ (http://www.uno4kemper.com/)
It provides good real time status feedback of which KPA FX are active in each patch,
- the restriction is it does not adapt to controlling other gear via MIDI too.
The Eureka PROM has a Kemper Mode - but you must be sure you do not accidentally navigate away from Kemper "PA" (Profiling Amp) mode at the live gig.
http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom (http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom)
http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom/pa (http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom/pa)
Many prefer to use the standard UNO ROM with FCB-1010
http://www.ossandust.be/ (http://www.ossandust.be/)
But it has faults in that occasionally the Stomp FX get out of sync, and the lit up "active KPA Stomp FX" pedals on the FCB1010 do not match reality.
At this hour I'm using an old Digitech GSP-1101 + Control 2 foot controller to control my KPA, and this is working
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg84177#msg84177 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg84177#msg84177)
Another option I like is an old POD XT Live - but use it as a MIDI controller works well.
I just read Elantric's post about the Eureka chip. It seems like the perfect solution for me. There's a bonus with this floor board. I also have a G-Major, which this will also control.
Too bad it can only load one configuration at a time.
Will the KPA's two pedal inputs remain active with the FCB-1010 connected via MIDI? Or will the KPA assign these two inputs to the two pedals on the FCB-1010?
QuoteWill the KPA's two pedal inputs remain active with the FCB-1010 connected via MIDI?
Yes they do
It's amazing what happens when you spend time on the net.
I guess I'm going to spend my money on this.
Using a Mastermind GT with a Kemper Profiling Amp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgkaQqDR34s#ws)
It will control my entire rig, including the Kemper, G-Major, and do amp channel switching on my Mesa Recto Pre.
Only "flaw" those are a bit too pricey for me, and the LCD Displays remind me of the Line6 M13 I find that type a bit too hard to read
http://www.rjmmusic.com/manuals/Mastermind%20GT%20Manual-1.4.pdf (http://www.rjmmusic.com/manuals/Mastermind%20GT%20Manual-1.4.pdf)
http://www.rjmmusic.com/mastermind-gt.php (http://www.rjmmusic.com/mastermind-gt.php)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/1742014/1403645312_1586786992_MasterMind.PNG)
I've been gigging with a FCB1010 with stock UNO chip for nearly 2 years, to control both my Kemper and GR55, with no issues. Ever since I figured how to align the pedals with the KPa I haven't noticed any missalignment of the on/off LEDs. Fairly cheap and works good
Since I only change patches, I just did a gig with a stock FCB1010, controlling both a Kemper, and a GR30. It worked great!
My fave floor controller is the old model GROUND CONTROL. Its really ancient,but it has a nice big display,,,much bigger than anything else I've seen,,and can be had used for cheap (like 75 dollars,US).
The only hitch is the footswitches which are TAC switches and are mounted to the PCB...a bad idea....but easy to buy new ones, if needed, I always thought they shouldve used heavy duty carling switches..like on a MXR stop box....but they never did on the old GROUND CONTROL..instead VoodooLabs completed changed the design...and I hate it! Now they have heavy duty switches but in several rows which I don't like...I always hid the wrong row! So I use the old one. Works for me.
(and yeah, I'd love to try a liquid foot or a Mastermind!!!)
GtrGeorge
Elantric, I agree that the Mastermind GT's are expensive.
I've owned a Voodoo Labs Ground Control Pro which is about 1/3 of the cost of a GT/10. Both can control multiple MIDI devices and switch two amp channels. In that context, the GT/10 is ridiculously expensive.
I found the CGP was a real PITA to program. After watching the video of programming with the software editor, the Mastermind GT looks like a snap to customize.
And it comes with built in program profiles for the KPA and TC Electronic devices. I just sold a guitar, so I have the money to get a KPA. I am waiting for a price from a buddy at GC Pro. I already have a G Major, so the Mastermind GT/10 will control both right out of the box for me.
I also have a Fishman Triple Play. I plan to purchase an iConnect4+ and use hardware synths with the FTP. Controlling the FTP and synths should be pretty easy with the GT/10.
Being able to control such a complex rig with a single foot controller requires some real sophistication. The GT/10 has song and set list capability, along with easy editing.
I'm tired of having to upgrade because I didn't spend enough in the first place to purchase a device that wouldn't obsolesce quickly. I can't imagine what kind of device the GT/10 could not control.
Given these factors, the added value tips the scale for me.
Your other concern was with the GT+ series displays.
Quotethe LCD Displays remind me of the Line6 M13 I find that type a bit too hard to read
.
Interestingly, in the intro video, the product spokesman states that these displays were chosen because they were the only ones that RJM could find that were "visible in bright sunlight".
If any forum member could enlighten us (pardon the pun) with an actual observation, how do the displays look to you?
QuoteInterestingly, in the intro video, the product spokesman states that these displays were chosen because they were the only ones that RJM could find that were "visible in bright sunlight".
I'm speaking from the perspective of an Age 60 adult male with classic poor vision.
My Line 6 M13 / HD500X are hard to read - and the User interface on the HD500X I find intolerable for live use. My old XTlive was a breeze to change tremolo rate / depth mid song, and I find it impossible on the HD500X.
By contrast my Zoom G3/MS-70CDR / MS-100BT - have excellent LCD's with high contrast ratio I can easily read their LCDs with no glasses - even at outdoor gigs under noon time sun.
QuoteBeing able to control such a complex rig with a single foot controller requires some real sophistication. The GT/10 has song and set list capability, along with easy editing.
For me the "sweet spot" price / performance / user functionality / sound quality is an old Digitech GSP-1101 + Control 2 foot controller to control my KPA, and this is working very well.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg84177#msg84177 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg84177#msg84177)
(http://adn.harmanpro.com/product_attachments/product_attachments/115_1396032317/control2_original.png)
(http://adn.harmanpro.com/product_attachments/product_attachments/4_1396032144/GSP1101_Front_original.jpg)
(http://adn.harmanpro.com/product_attachments/product_attachments/5_1396032103/GSP1101_Rear_original.jpg)
Add a MIDI Solutions Event Processor Plus and I can control the world with Digitech GSP-1101 + Control 2 foot controller, and have an emergency spare Guitar Amp/FX Modeler for the Kemper. (total cost $420) - and for the tones I use, I prefer the sound of my GSP-1101 to my Line6 HD500X anyday.
(http://www.midisolutions.com/epp.jpg)
http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm (http://www.midisolutions.com/prodepp.htm)
QuoteI'm speaking from the perspective of an Age 60 adult male with classic poor vision.
We have age and vision in common!
Now, I'm going to veer way off the KPA topic. It probably should be a topic of its own.
I've thought for a long time now of a product I wish were available; a program that displayed a map of your gear and showed its state.
For example, I will shortly have a KPA, G-Major and a GT/10. I'd love a program that could display a graphic that approximated the visuals and state of the devices.
Obviously it couldn't have exactly the same graphics.
But, for instance, it could have generic slots for switches on your floorboard. These could be populated by a MIDI learn function, and might be able to be programmed to display the same text and state information as the floor controller is displaying. I assume the MIDI implementation chart would have to provide the sysex message data required for the display program to gather the device's data.
Just wishful thinking.
QuoteI've thought for a long time now of a product I wish were available; a program that displayed a map of your gear and showed its state.
For example, I will shortly have a KPA, G-Major and a GT/10. I'd love a program that could display a graphic that approximated the visuals and state of the devices.
Obviously it couldn't have exactly the same graphics.
But, for instance, it could have generic slots for switches on your floorboard. These could be populated by a MIDI learn function, and might be able to be programmed to display the same text and state information as the floor controller is displaying. I assume the MIDI implementation chart would have to provide the sysex message data required for the display program to gather the device's data.
For windows users - have a look at
Audiostrom Live Professor
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11512.msg83663#msg83663 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11512.msg83663#msg83663)
(http://ifoundasound.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/ScreenBig.jpg)
LiveProfessor is designed to be an effect rack of VST-plugins and we have created it specifically with live sound in mind.
The concept is very simple, yet extremely flexible. Using a ASIO audio card you can route inputs and outputs through your VST-plugins in any order and way you like.
The program supports snapshots of all settings, for easy switching between songs. LiveProfessor also has advanced MIDI routing and manipulation features, and can be controlled using hardware controllers or Midi Show Control.
LiveProfessor comes in two versions, the Full version and the Free version.Cantabile is another live performance appilcation
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8611.msg60544#msg60544 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8611.msg60544#msg60544)
For Mac OSX - look at Brainspawn Forte
http://www.brainspawn.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99&Itemid=127 (http://www.brainspawn.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=99&Itemid=127)
or Apple Mainstage
https://documentation.apple.com/en/mainstage/usermanual/MainStage%202%20User%20Manual%20(en).pdf (https://documentation.apple.com/en/mainstage/usermanual/MainStage%202%20User%20Manual%20(en).pdf)
For those who missed it -
IPAD KPA controller Template using TB MIDI Stuff
http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=160&sid=e51cd5275c60e6083661ae0d002d4721 (http://www.thiburce.com/TBStuff/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=160&sid=e51cd5275c60e6083661ae0d002d4721)
(http://db.tt/nAMHFaBU)
The File is too big for an upload so please use the following URL
http://db.tt/yHZeKEMz (http://db.tt/yHZeKEMz)
There is an advanced Version with x/y pads for Rig/Cabinet Volumes and Del/Rev Mix
http://db.tt/xBZVxql2 (http://db.tt/xBZVxql2)
I added
- custom knobs (like the originals)
- custom LEDs (drum pads) to be able to switch on/off with NRPN command
- 64 direct accessable Prog# switches
- user variables for the Prog# counter
- custom background again
Still in love with my KPA, and found this nice video on integrating the SoftStep2, as a foot controller.
On a side note, I may go for the GP-10 as a front end COSM guitar, for the Kemper. Seems a shame to only use it for that, but since my MOOG EM-1 has such lousy mags for traditional amps( in the Kemper) this will allow me to use COSM only, which I already do anyway. Hoping that it can be setup to switch guitars, in one patch. I need Strat, Acoustic, and acoustic12, and maybe an alt tuning ala Frank Gambale, which I adore.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzFahsEAqs
Yes GP-10 can accomplish that in one patch using the flexible assignments
Great news! Ordered my GP-10!
Jakko Jakszyk of the latest King Crimson lineup, in rehearsals, with Kemper.
More images from Tony Levin's site...
http://www.papabear.com/tours/crim14/crim14_5.htm (http://www.papabear.com/tours/crim14/crim14_5.htm)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10519530_844135718931621_5975938841804845593_n.jpg?oh=350312389625897351b036d6c7adf4f3&oe=54501F41&__gda__=1412711929_fa03322f20d71909453ded7ca928edd8)
(http://www.papabear.com/tours/crim14/crim14graphics/julyreh8.jpg)
(http://www.papabear.com/tours/crim14/crim14graphics/julyreh13.jpg)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3331.0;attach=9725;image)
and Pat Mastelotto's FB page...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pat-Mastelotto-Official/120366424641891?ref=ts&fref=ts (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pat-Mastelotto-Official/120366424641891?ref=ts&fref=ts)
For those of you, on this forum, that own a KPA, I just uploaded my first profile of a 1965 Fender Princeton, on the Rig Exchange. It is titled MJM Princeton Clean. Any comments are welcome.
For Kemper owners using Mac OSX, the first public Beta if Rig Manager is now available. If this is already noted elsewhere, please disregard.
QuoteFor Kemper owners using Mac OSX, the first public Beta if Rig Manager is now available. If this is already noted elsewhere, please disregard.
Finally! - thanks!
Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 29, 2014, 08:47:06 AM
For those of you, on this forum, that own a KPA, I just uploaded my first profile of a 1965 Fender Princeton, on the Rig Exchange. It is titled MJM Princeton Clean. Any comments are welcome.
Thanks, I will check it out after work. Paul
I tried it this morning - works great, and that is quite a time saver. Previously, I loaded Windows 7 into a virtual Windows emulator, for Rig Manager. Very small screen, etc. I hated it. Since I switched over to Mac, a couple of years ago, I just can't stand Windows any longer. Hopefully, Kemper will bring out their floorboard soon, as well.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 29, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
Hopefully, Kemper will bring out their floorboard soon, as well.
Have you used any other Foot Controllers with KPA ?
I'm always interested in trying other gear, and its good money that when KPA releases their Foot controller, Ill get one. I used the Behringer with various chip mods for a while. The UNO for KPA is great, ...as long as you don't need to control any other MIDI gear with it,..HA !
I've settled on my Ground Control Pro, which I keep going back too, ( also means I keep trying other stuff, hmmm).
I have all 8 instant access switches assigned to the effects, so I can activate/deactive them at any time. Each patch calls up a preset on the KPA, MidVerb, GP-10, and individual effects on my pedal board, (via a pedal switcher Loop).
Ive spent last week integrating the GP-10 into my rig. So far, Ive only dedicated 1 bank of 4 presets to GP-10, (a Nylon Acoustic, 2 GR-300 patches, and an OSC Synth), but I intend to modify some of my favorite presets so that I have the ability to switch between normal guitar, and modeled. I always try and avoid "Option Anxiety" by limiting my presets. Doesn't always work though.
QuoteHave you used any other Foot Controllers with KPA ?
Yes, I use a stock Behringer, and it does everything I need, with lower switches and 1 exp for guitar, and the rest for GR30. The reason I am interested in a KPA floorboard, is because I think they have something up their sleeve, which is why it has taken so long.
From all reports here, including your videos, the GP10 is a wonderful addition to the front end of a KPA. A shipment of 20 is on its way to our group buy supplier, I was told yesterday. So I'm going to try this integration, for a new live system. Never ending, this new gear lust - crazy, but brings out the kid in me!
Still using FCB1010 with stock uno chip so I can controll my GR55 as well as KPA
Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 30, 2014, 05:20:32 AM
this new gear lust - crazy, but brings out the kid in me!
I'm with you!
My problem is I buy this, and that, But I can't bring myself to sell stuff I've "temporarily lost interest in" and then, as my girlfriend says , I end up with a house that looks like a pawn shop, :)
QuoteBut I can't bring myself to sell stuff I've "temporarily lost interest in"
Same... and I'm in denial of the plain fact that I have enough toys to keep me busy 24 hours a day, and maybe an hour a week to actually play with them. ::)
Hell, finding time to
sell them is challenging.
QuoteMy problem is I buy this, and that, But I can't bring myself to sell stuff I've "temporarily lost interest in" and then, as my girlfriend says , I end up with a house that looks like a pawn shop,
Exactly! Sounds like a reality show mashup between the hoarder show, and the pawnbroker show! The thing is, my basement has become my "junk drawer" for gear, I think I may need at some point. And unfortunately, sometimes it's true, and so I win/lose that argument with myself. I occasionally throw something away, that has deteriorated beyond use, such as the original Sequential Circuits Model 800 sequencer, which when I dug it out, had really nasty goop coming out, probably from a battery, and it was such a mess. Also a Gizmotron, which had lost its "teeth" and was unuseable. Vintage is not always the best thing to hold on to, especially electronics. I'm getting up in age, a bit now, and I think many of those who survive me, may disagree with the saying "you can't take it with you", and just bury some of my stuff with me. Can't blame them. ;D
Quote from: mbenigni on July 30, 2014, 12:54:27 PM
Same... and I'm in denial of the plain fact that I have enough toys to keep me busy 24 hours a day, and maybe an hour a week to actually play with them. ::)
Hell, finding time to sell them is challenging.
How true, and at my age it's time to start doing a little house cleaning. ???
Although I have Parallels for a few work related projects, I didn't install a windows version of Rig Manager so this is my first experience with it.
Rig Manager is awesome ! Its basic, does whats its supposed to, no glitches. Im thinking of how many ways I can benefit from it. Obviously, it is a fantastic organizing tool. The ability to test out new rigs from Rig Exchange immediately is wonderful.
I am setting up folders with gig ready patches for different needs etc. Im thrilled over a simple rig management tool.
Now that I will be having a laptop permanently integrated into my live setup, (initially integrated to deal with USB/Midi), I can use it for KPA Management, GP-10 Boss Tone Studio, as well as many other functions.
I tried something different last night, I put the USB/Audio of GP-10 in one of the alternative modes, (can't remember if it was mix or re-guitar 1 or 2),and used it as my interface for Soft Synths installed in my MacBook Air. That basically eliminates having to use my Apogee and a separate summing mixer. I think I am going to also be able to eliminate my A/B switcher. That is the initial input to my pedal board that allows to me to switch between GP-10, or regular non 13 pin guitars. I have just been plugging my regular guitar into the gp-10 guitar in lately and once I get all my levels figured out, I think that could be a permanent solution.
So much good stuff happening lately !!!!
I just bought a new KPA from GC. It should arrive soon. ;D
I've been wanting one for a very long time.
I already have a Mesa Recto recording Pre, a Mesa 20/20 and a pair of open back Mesa Vintage Black Shadow 1 x 10 cabs. I am wondering how well the KPA will be able to profile my Mesa rig. If it is really close, I'll sell the Mesa gear.
I got the rack version. I have a pair of Line 6 L2M's and a Mackie Onyx 1620 mixer for my personal rig, so I don't need the built in amp. I'll let others on the forum know how the KPA does with my PA.
I also have access to a lot of amps owned by friends. I suspect that if the KPA profile of their amp is close to spot on, it will push them onto buying their own KPA's.
Steven Kastner
QuoteI think I am going to also be able to eliminate my A/B switcher. That is the initial input to my pedal board that allows to me to switch between GP-10, or regular non 13 pin guitars. I have just been plugging my regular guitar into the gp-10 guitar in lately and once I get all my levels figured out, I think that could be a permanent solution.
The effects loop/ aux in features on the KPA itself can be very powerful for eliminating the need for an A/B switcher, too. The KPA kind of doubles as a central mixer if you want if it to.
Interesting video of Kemper automation for live use.
http://youtu.be/mYJWhQlibgQ (http://youtu.be/mYJWhQlibgQ)
This has given me inspiration to attempt a few automated sequences myself, changing effects, and even controlling them. There at least a few songs in my set list that have consistent leads and effects that I will try this with, although more of my lead breaks change to audience reaction, my mood etc.
VERY cool ... i think it would make me feel somehow like i'm cheating if i would use this live ... but it sure looks comfortable , no more pedals needed !
http://youtu.be/MgkaQqDR34s (http://youtu.be/MgkaQqDR34s)
This video shows you how to set up a Mastermind GT MIDI Foot controller to control a Kemper Profiling Amp. It shows how to set up preset access, control of individual effect slots, tap tempo and remote tuner display.
http://youtu.be/4RZUnEyG2eM (http://youtu.be/4RZUnEyG2eM)
This is a reasonably simple review of the inside and out of the Kemper Rack version of the profiling amp. I used to have one of the stand alone versions but sold it and upgraded to this rack version. I never did get really inside the stand alone version but its easier to see what's inside this beast. And there are some interesting bits and pieces.
This one does not have a Kemper amplifier inside and I drive it through a Multiamp for the amp to the speakers. I show you how to very easily do that in the Multiamp. I also show the inside of the Kemper Rack and confirm the build quality. Later I talk about some of the newer features briefly (but not really in great depth) and conclude the video accordingly.
This is not meant to be a definitive video of the Kemper and I don't play anywhere on this video as there are thousands of other guys doing that. But few or none actually show you what's inside the Kemper Preamp, which is why this video is different. You actually see what you are buying as opposed to just another grey box.
There are a few hardware things I don't really discuss in this video that I could have done, but those are going to be for the written review of the inside and out of the Kemper preamp on my website so you will have to wait a short while for that, but there are some useful and interesting points that I make my own assumptions about. Those are my own views and not necessarily those of Kemper. I am in no way associated with Kemper except that I have bought and own one myself.
Kemper make a really great product as you will see in the video and it's one I'll be keeping ;-) There are few products out there that even come close to the Kemper Profiler and if you like lots of diversity then this is the amp for you.
For a written review (coming soon) visit www.tonymckenzie.com (http://www.tonymckenzie.com) as I will discuss other aspects of the inside of the Kemper preamp and show images not really seen in my short video reviews here on YouTube.
(c) A B Mckenzie and tonymckenzie.com 2013.
All Rights Reserved. All Trademarks Acknowledged.
KPA for bass guitar features revealed here:
http://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2014/11/03/kemper-for-bass-players/ (http://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2014/11/03/kemper-for-bass-players/)
The Kemper folks are about to give us a dynamite upgrade, for profile separation of amp and cabinet. The KPA is awesome and such upgrades will further separate it from the pack. It is a great time to be a guitarist!!!
QuoteWe are currently preparing major innovations of the Profile format, which we are planning to release with firmware 3.0 officially. However these new features are already included – but hidden – in firmware 2.8.0. Technically Interested users are invited to check out these innovations and provide feedback before official release.
The main benefits of this new format are perfect separation between Amplifier and Cabinet Profiles, the ability to handle so-called "Direct Amp Profiles" (those created without a cabinet) in an accurate fashion, and the opportunity to merge such Direct Amp Profiles with cabinets either copied from any usual Studio Profile or with Cabinet Presets generated from impulse responses via CabMaker (v. 2.0).
Resulting so-called "Merged Profiles" behave authentically, regardless whether the cabinet simulation is switched on or off. Practically you could simultaneously use the Studio Profile for FOH and the Direct Amp Profile for your guitar speaker cabinet on stage.
Please find detailed information related to these new profiling features and links to experimantal firmware in the attached document:
dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55...s and Merged Profiles.pdf
Caution: Profiles created leveraging this new Profiling format are not downward compatible and may not be shared with un-informed users. Don't offer these commercially before official release. The new Profiles could generate noise or other trouble if used with elder firmware revisions. Consequently Rig Exchange doesn't accept their upload for the time being.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55669979/Direct%20Amp%20Profiles%20and%20Merged%20Profiles.pdf (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/55669979/Direct%20Amp%20Profiles%20and%20Merged%20Profiles.pdf)
The folks at Kemper keep making my investment in their product better. It is almost like reverse depreciation!
Yes, is a update I've been waiting awhile for. KPA just keeps getting more added value
FWIW - Kemper is on sale at Hello Music - just an average price.
http://www.hellomusic.com/items/kemper-amps-profiling-amplifier?utm_source=am-email-12-6-2014&utm_medium=np-email&utm_campaign=Guitarist (http://www.hellomusic.com/items/kemper-amps-profiling-amplifier?utm_source=am-email-12-6-2014&utm_medium=np-email&utm_campaign=Guitarist)
But if HelloMusic ( an excess inventory M.I. Gear liquidator outlet) is selling it, this must mean Dealers are liquidating existing KPA inventory for a good reason - and with NAMM only 6 weeks away - I'll leave it to you to predict my own conclusion.
That is still higher than the price was 2 years ago when I bought mine.
I ended up using a 15% off code at americanmusical and got mine for just under $1600 brand new.
I think they are just clearing out their white toaster stock a little.
There is no new KPA coming anytime soon.
Foot controller will be at NAMM.
On a side note, anyone with a KPA needs to get the Michael Britt pack 2 and you will never stop playing it!
It's THAT good!
QuoteFoot controller will be at NAMM.
Vablows, do you have any inside info on this?
No, but by all accounts on the KPA forum it should finally be here.
If not, there might be riots! lol
Quote from: vablows on December 09, 2014, 10:09:34 AM
No, but by all accounts on the KPA forum it should finally be here.
If not, there might be riots! lol
Vablows, I'm with ya there!!!!!
I strapped an iRig Pro and MIDI Solutions Event Processor to a monitor isolation wedge - cut to fit the back of the KPA toaster - with elastic bands. Pops in and out easily, and with an iPhone running JamOrigin and Sampletank, effectively adds guitar synth to my KPA. If I send CC7 to the KPA for a volume pedal, the Event Processor will invert the values at MIDI Thru, and send them to the iRig to crossfade from synth to guitar. Still no pitch bend from iOS JamOrigin :( but otherwise this is working great!
Cool setup!
FWIW - here is link which explains fixing a "too Dim" LCD on the Kemper
Kemper Dark LCD Stompbox Editing Fix
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0)
Thanks, Steve!
Quote from: mbenigni on January 05, 2015, 01:49:12 PM
I strapped an iRig Pro and MIDI Solutions Event Processor to a monitor isolation wedge - cut to fit the back of the KPA toaster - with elastic bands. Pops in and out easily, and with an iPhone running JamOrigin and Sampletank, effectively adds guitar synth to my KPA. If I send CC7 to the KPA for a volume pedal, the Event Processor will invert the values at MIDI Thru, and send them to the iRig to crossfade from synth to guitar. Still no pitch bend from iOS JamOrigin :( but otherwise this is working great!
Mark, this sounds like a very cool rig I may just have to give it a try when I get my new 6plus on Sunday
QuoteMark, this sounds like a very cool rig I may just have to give it a try when I get my new 6plus on Sunday
Thanks! Definitely worth the time IMO. I'm kind of amazed JamOrigin isn't getting more attention around here. The pitchbend limitation is a bitch, but I honestly get better, more consistent tracking out of this solution than I do out of my GR55. And I can use any guitar I want.
Quote
Foot controller will be at NAMM.
It has been official for a few days! They are posting teasers.
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1522655 (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=1522655)
Can't put up images right now, but Kemper's facebook page has a backside photo of what looks to be their foot controller.
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps?fref=nf (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps?fref=nf)
8 foot switches (6 on the bottom row), 4 1/4" jacks and an ethernet port on the back. In green, of course.
Just because of those connections, I doubt very much that it is a full on Kemper in floorboard form. But I'm always ready to be proven wrong.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/s2048x2048/10899993_1016710705011919_3241156546484186712_o.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/photos/a.185127881503543.52562.184583711557960/1011275952222061/?type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/photos/a.185127881503543.52562.184583711557960/1011275952222061/?type=1&theater)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t31.0-8/10854268_1011275952222061_8910622773978799247_o.jpg)
Ok, here you can spot the real name on this thing.
Profiler REMOTE
There will be more soon, but it is a process as things are coming together over the holidays. Thanks for all your enthusiasm already. More happy holidays to you!!! Oh, and Kemper will be at NAMM of course, so drop by at booth #6100 in Hall A as usual.
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17635-Downloads-Profiler-Remote-Starter-Kit-for-Early-Adopters/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17635-Downloads-Profiler-Remote-Starter-Kit-for-Early-Adopters/)
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17896-Using-Vox-Tone-Lab-SE-as-Kemper-foot-controller-my-tips/?postID=189444&s=70297d30f82c583b011f2a9209c32dceaedc077a#post189444 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17896-Using-Vox-Tone-Lab-SE-as-Kemper-foot-controller-my-tips/?postID=189444&s=70297d30f82c583b011f2a9209c32dceaedc077a#post189444)
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Using Vox Tone Lab SE as Kemper foot controller - my tips
Yesterday, 9:51pm+1
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Hey guys,
I have been using a Vox Tone Lab SE as my Kemper foot controller, thought I would share some tips. It works great and can also be used as a backup, should the Kemper ever have issues. Simply connect the midi out on the Tone Lab, to the midi in on the Kemper (using a midi cable). Then follow the steps below. I would recommend that you use "Browser" mode on the Kemper.
Here is a picture of the unit I have
(http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l234/Browneyes1723/Vox.jpg)
With the Tone Lab, you are able to switch amps on the Kemper using the switches 1-4 and the bank up, down function, for a total of 96 amp models to choose or various combinations.
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/52015/1420587601_124376470_Vox_SE_Editor.PNG)
You can assign the EXP pedals to whatever you want to control, I have the outside one set to control volume and the other controls my wah. With the volume at zero, the Kemper tuner is engaged. I have experimented with setting the volume as "gain" control, but its harder to use, since the pedal will reset to where its is placed (which can be way over or under the gain level desired), though it can work well to select the patch and then adjust your gain level with the foot pedal, and then control with the pedal as needed.
I also have the Tone lab setup so when I hit the FX ON/OFF switch I can then turn on and off the "stomp", "effects" using the Tone Lab switches labeled A/B, 1/Pedal, 2/Mod, 3/Delay, 4/Reverb. I have it set like this for myself: switch A/B controls my stomp A and is set as a boost on/off. 1/Pedal is set to turn on/off stomp C, 2/Mod is set to turn on/off stomp D, 3/Delay is set to turn on/off effect X, 4/Reverb is set to turn on/off effect MOD.
I have also assigned the "control" switch on the Tone Lab to be set for "Tap" tempo for the kemper. The A/B boost, Tap Tempo (control) are always ready to be engaged. Tapping the FX ON/OFF, I can go between switching amps to controlling my effects.
To set the Tone Lab SE:
Hit the "Global" button on the Tone Lab
Use the Page left button to scroll the screens, menu choices
Set midi channel to 1 (using up down button to change)
Set the PCHG out "ON" (program change is sent out)
Set the CCHG I/O "ON" (controller changes sent out)
Hold down both the left and right arrow buttons at the same time, while on CCHG I/O page. This will take you to the setup for assigning the switches to the effects,stomps you want to control. Use the left/right arrow buttons to move between the different pedal/switches and then the up/down arrow buttons to change the CC number.
Mine are set as follows: note:I did not name the Tone lab switches the same as the Kemper, though you could if you want.
EXP 1 CC01 (controls Kemper wah)
EXP 2 CC07 controls Kemper volume (CC72 to control the gain)
CTRL Pedal CC30 controls Kemper Tap
Pedal FX CC19 controls Kemper Stomp C
Mod FX CC20 controls Kemper Stomp D
Delay FX CC22 controls Kemper Effect X
Reverb FX CC24 controls Kemper Effect MOD
Insert FX OFF
A/B Chn CC17 controls Kemper Stomp A
To assign the Kemper to switch amp models in "Browser" mode:
Go to the amp model you want to assign. Press the Kemper "system" button. Go to page 5 on the display, using the "page" L/R button. You will see "current rig" (the one you just browsed too) PrgChg # <unassigned> if it has no previous edit or amp name if it has been assigned. Use the knob below the lcd screen to change the Midi PrgChg # to the desired bank number on the Tone Lab SE. Then hit the "assign" lcd button on the Kemper.
EX: Kemper Midi PrgChg # 3, will be bank 1, switch 3 on the Tone Lab
Kemper Midi PrgChg # 5, will be bank 2, switch 1 on the Tone Lab
Each bank on the Tone Lab SE will allow four amps to be assigned. Bank 1 SW 1 = PrgChg #1, Bank 1 SW 2 = PrgChg #2,Bank 1 SW 3 = PrgChg #3,Bank 1 SW 4 = PrgChg #4
Bank 2 SW 1 = PrgChg #5,Bank 2 SW 2 = PrgChg #6,Bank 2 SW 3 = PrgChg #7,Bank 2 SW 4 = PrgChg #8
You will notice that once you assign a Kemper amp to a PrgChg #, it shows this number beside the amp name (bottom right of the lcd screen) for reference.
The Tone Lab SE gives you up to an eight character name for each patch bank. This is not long enough for some of the Kemper names. I save mine instead as an easier name and using short hand on some. Ex: LP_CLEAN, LP_RTHYM, LP_LEAD, STRAT_CL, STRAT_RT, STRAT_LD
To assign the Kemper to switch amp models in "Performance" mode: This is a little different in how the pedal now reacts. The program numbers now run in sequence and you assign an amp in that sequence.
So bank 1 switches 1-4 are Kemper programs 1-4 bank 2 switches 1-4 are Kemper programs 5-8, bank 3 switches 1-4 are Kemper programs 9-12,etc. This can become a little more confusing to use, since bank 5 on performance 1 is now on tone lab bank two switch 1. Performance mode would work best, if you are just stepping up in patches in sequence for each area of a song and then on to the next one. Or if you want to use some other midi gear to switch patches. Its not really intuitive for a foot controller as far a layout and ease. I won't go into any more detail on this mode, feel free to ask questions if you want to use it.
I hope this might help someone, or give them an idea on a pedal board they can use.
Cheers!
Depending on the new looper function that the Remote will utilize, I may not purchase it. My stock FCB1010 is doing everything well, that I need it to. I already like the idea of separate EXP pedals, where up to 4, can be placed in any manner on either side of the switches, and the RJ45 connector is very nice. Firmware 3.0 is also due for release, with the Remote, so I am anxious to see what goodies are at NAMM.
I am still on the fence as to whether to keep or sell my KPA. I find that I love it in the studio, sitting in front of good near-field monitors, but I've yet to sort out a live configuration that inspires me. (My issues here may have more to do with my "live" monitor - an EV ELX112P - than with the KPA itself.) I'll probably make one last ditch effort with a power amp and guitar cab before deciding. Of course that's just getting in deeper - I'll either love it, or I'll have even more stuff to resell. :/
Assuming I keep it, the Remote looks great. My only concern is whether the KPA will send MIDI PC and CC messages when events occur at the Remote switches and Exp. Pedal inputs. Otherwise the Remote will have some pretty serious limitations in a rig that incorporates other hardware. As far as I can tell this is not happening with the current firmware and the Exp. Pedal inputs on the KPA itself.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on January 07, 2015, 05:59:42 AM
Depending on the new looper function that the Remote will utilize, I may not purchase it. My stock FCB1010 is doing everything well, that I need it to. I already like the idea of separate EXP pedals, where up to 4, can be placed in any manner on either side of the switches, and the RJ45 connector is very nice. Firmware 3.0 is also due for release, with the Remote, so I am anxious to see what goodies are at NAMM.
Me too! My fcb1010 is working fine as well, and will wait to cutdown and modify it till I check out the Kemper Remote. But, as I've stated on the KPA forum, If it won't allow me to send multi MIDI channel patch change info it will be of no use to me, as it will not allow me to control my GR55
Mark, when I got my KPA, I at first used with a poweramp and a 2/12 celestion guitar cabinet and got a great sound,BUT.
Because,of age and weight restrictions I had to look for something much lighter. In my quest , I tried several yamaha, Jbl, Ev, Qsc, and lins6 powered cabs, all with varying degrees of success. I was settled on getting a Yamaha DXR10, until I discovered the Atomic CLR NEO and got it.
To be honest I liked the EV's, JBL's, and QSC's the least tone wise...I discovered a couple of things when I went to the fullrange powered cabs. I could much more clearly hear the difference between amps, especially when more gain was used, but also tones like the strat quack became more evident. I could also use it simultainiously with my Gr55.
I haven't tried the Alesis cabs yet that Elantric likes, But will be getting a pair for small PA and emergency backup of my CLR, They are certainly a great value
QuoteIf it won't allow me to send multi MIDI channel patch change info it will be of no use to me, as it will not allow me to control my GR55
Same here - My big annoyance with Many Top Guitar products for live performance is the "Closed Sandbox" infrastructure paradigm - and designing an external controller that only addresses their own product's needs - with zero regard for "Real World" Live Rigs where any idiot should be able to figure out that supporting a few mapable MIDI CC# event transmission per pedal for controlling third party gear in the same rig is desirable and useful ( mandatory IMHO).
That was my huge Complaint with the "UNO4Kemper" ROM for FCB-1010 - transformed the FCB-1010 into a great KPA controller - but forget about using it to control other MIDI Controlled FX gear along with your Kemper too.
--Compare to the Forward thinking Korg Designed Vox Tonelab SE - that as shown a few posts above despite being 12 years old - still has value as a MIDI foot controller for Kemper and other gear
My other concern is the high German Deutsch Mark <> US Dollar exchange rate - I smell a $900 Kemper Footpedal - and frankly thats too steep for me.
Quoteany idiot should be able to figure out that supporting a few mapable MIDI CC# event transmission per pedal for controlling third party gear in the same rig is desirable and useful ( mandatory IMHO).
I agree. I was surprised and disappointed last night when I realized the KPA MIDI Out wasn't sending something as obvious CC7 when an expression pedal was attached and assigned to volume. Hopefully the v3.0 firmware - which some have speculated will release concurrently with the Remote - will address this. I have to imagine they sat down and considered the possibility of a footcontroller with MIDI I/O, and decided against the extra expense and cable clutter of putting ports on the floorboard itself. Let's hope they subsequently decided on programming the KPA to send MIDI to its own MIDI Out per Profiler Remote events.
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on January 07, 2015, 09:29:22 AM
Mark, when I got my KPA, I at first used with a poweramp and a 2/12 celestion guitar cabinet and got a great sound,BUT.
Because,of age and weight restrictions I had to look for something much lighter. In my quest , I tried several yamaha, Jbl, Ev, Qsc, and lins6 powered cabs, all with varying degrees of success. I was settled on getting a Yamaha DXR10, until I discovered the Atomic CLR NEO and got it.
To be honest I liked the EV's, JBL's, and QSC's the least tone wise...I discovered a couple of things when I went to the fullrange powered cabs. I could much more clearly hear the difference between amps, especially when more gain was used, but also tones like the strat quack became more evident. I could also use it simultainiously with my Gr55.
I haven't tried the Alesis cabs yet that Elantric likes, But will be getting a pair for small PA and emergency backup of my CLR, They are certainly a great value
Yes, I hear nothing but good things about the CLR NEO's, but I can't throw another $1400 at the problem in
hopes that it will make me happy. I'd have to be able to test thoroughly in advance, it would have to completely rock my world, and even then it would be a serious stretch...
I really would like to stick with FRFR - the flexibility is exactly what led me to buy a KPA in the first place. But when I sit with a band it never quite works, bandmates complain, and even I come away feeling like I'm trying too hard to like it. Throwing a power amp and 1x12 or whatever behind a state of the art modeler/profiler is a little backwards, but at this point I just need to get the job done without breaking the bank or wasting a ton of time. I'll still use FRFR in the studio, and in projects where I need synths, of course.
Did you audition all of those monitors in stores, or have you actually owned all of them?? Maybe I need to just drag my KPA to a Guitar Center and have a big shootout... but there's no substitute for actually owning a product for a while. I thought I liked the EV at first, but it grates on me more and more. It's got a low end bump that's just sort of "in the wrong place" - probably too low a frequency. You can eliminate it by turning on the subwoofer mode, but then the whole cabinet sounds lifeless. Turn it off (full-range) and you have to wrestle with the EQ on Kemper... again, trying too hard to like it. And now I'm hearing this really subtle rasp in the upper frequencies that's driving me crazy. I can only dial it out by really killing the highs...
Ugh. This is the downside of owning a nice piece of equipment e.g. the KPA. I feel like I have to put in the work to make it sound as good as it ought to, and then I obsess over tone - mainly in frustration. I've gotta just wrap this up and get back to practicing. If a cheap power amp and a familiar cabinet is what it takes, so be it. If a $199 active FR system will do it, even better, but oh the trial and error is killing me.
Myself - i have an old 1940's Tube Amp Chassis.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/188/480057461_7f5caf1d69_m.jpg)
I bet i could gut it, and just install my iPhone 6plus + a Roland UA-22 and run Yonac ToneStack / or BIAS and achieve a politically correct tool I could take to my local Protools Studio, and not get laughed at before i play the first note.
And not miss my Kemper
QuoteAnd not miss my Kemper
This is the thought that keeps haunting me... I know the Kemper has amazing potential, I know it's the most full-featured solution I own... but the fact remains that I have just as much fun playing my guitar
through my damned cellphone. These are strange days indeed.
Quotebut the fact remains that I have just as much fun playing my guitar through my damned cellphone. These are strange days indeed.
I'm in the same boat - I think its a generational thing - because so far i have tied up more money ($$$) than I spent on my first brand new car, in trying to make the Kemper work for my live needs - and I'll not be a touring US music act anytime soon ;)
With the latest developments in IOS Amp sims/Guitar FX and their Extensibility and mobile access where ever i am, Makes me reassess my Kemper.
Its all about tools, goals, budget and choosing the ones that work how I expect them to work, and "earn their keep"
Fortunately (I guess), I always run direct to the board and use IEMs and therefore don't have to worry about amps, PAs, etc. nor whether I have a box that looks politically correct sitting on the stage with me.
I very much hope the 3.0 firmware includes MIDI out capability. Other than the obvious things, the KPA has a cool automatic tempo feature that is mostly useless if you need it to sync with other gear.
Ha! Yes, that does sound like a very familiar boat.
This is why I'm trying to exhaust the possibilities now without breaking the bank, and commit or get out. As I'm sure you know, there are now a couple of very inexpensive ways to add power to the KPA (albeit with relatively low wattage.) I figure if I power it and run it into a proven cabinet, I'll have given it the benefit of the doubt and then some - you could even call it a handicap. At that point it's got to make me happier than any reasonably available combo amp, or it's got to go.
QuoteI very much hope the 3.0 firmware includes MIDI out capability.
You might want to voice that opinion in this thread (which hasn't gotten much attention thus far) and in the feature request I'll inevitably post now that I know the MIDI Out is basically decorative:
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17923-So-what-does-MIDI-OUT-actually-um-output/?s=b0bfbe1a35392b3586b08612bc18ba7593530c69 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17923-So-what-does-MIDI-OUT-actually-um-output/?s=b0bfbe1a35392b3586b08612bc18ba7593530c69)
Done!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17923-So-what-does-MIDI-OUT-actually-um-output/?s=b0bfbe1a35392b3586b08612bc18ba7593530c69#post189944 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17923-So-what-does-MIDI-OUT-actually-um-output/?s=b0bfbe1a35392b3586b08612bc18ba7593530c69#post189944)
Quote from: mbenigni on January 07, 2015, 11:12:45 AM
You might want to voice that opinion in this thread (which hasn't gotten much attention thus far) and in the feature request I'll inevitably post now that I know the MIDI Out is basically decorative:
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17923-So-what-does-MIDI-OUT-actually-um-output/?s=b0bfbe1a35392b3586b08612bc18ba7593530c69 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/17923-So-what-does-MIDI-OUT-actually-um-output/?s=b0bfbe1a35392b3586b08612bc18ba7593530c69)
I've mentioned it numerous times in the KPA forum. I'll go do it there, too.
Thanks to both of you, then!
I don't know what it is, but eversice the last update my wife did on iPad 2 ,bias, tonestack , or anything sounds more then thin, quite and lifeless. Now that I just bought a new iPad air I have installed everything on it last night and still have the same problem . I'm using a iRig Pro interface, but can't figure it out. Just doesn't sound good and I want it to.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated ???
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on January 07, 2015, 11:35:39 AM
I don't know what it is, but eversice the last update my wife did on iPad 2 ,bias, tonestack , or anything sounds more then thin, quite and lifeless. Now that I just bought a new iPad air I have installed everything on it last night and still have the same problem . I'm using a iRig Pro interface, but can't figure it out. Just doesn't sound good and I want it to.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated ???
The exact same setup I love one night will sometimes sound flat to me when I sit down the next, having changed nothing. My best guess is that you dialed in some stuff you really love on the KPA, and now in comparison Bias etc aren't cutting it for you. The iOS updates will sometimes impact on stability or latency, but I'd be pretty surprised if the tone changed (assuming in-app settings haven't changed to a lower-quality default in the process.)
I really like the sound of Bias. It does have a bit of latency compared with the Kemper, and it's not as balanced or transparent. It sounds a little bit more fat and phasey as a rule, but sometimes that's a good thing. Of course, both have such wide range - especially the Kemper where the profile in question changes everything - that it's almost pointless to make across-the-board comparisons like this.
I have IOS 8.1.2 on iPhone 6 Plus
and IOS 7 on my iPad Air
I'll compare tonight for any differences in sound the IOS version makes when running BIAS or ToneStack.
Quotesince the last IOS update my wife did on iPad 2
Compared to IOS 7, I would suggest its the resource hog that IOS 8 is ( with its added Audio latency during real time operations on older IOS hardware ) - this will be particularly apparent on an older 2011 era Ipad 2!
I find I must "sand box" and treat my older IOS devices as a "Time capsule" - to maintain any degree of "snappy performance".
in other words - now in 2015 - my 2008 Iphone 3G still is running IOS 4, my 2010 iPhone 4 is still running IOS 6, my 2012 ipad Mini is still running IOS 7, etc.
(http://cdn1.appleinsider.com/12.10.30-iPadBench-2.jpg)
(http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tablets/apple/ipad4/bwsm.png)
http://plainoldstan.blogspot.com/2013/09/ios-7-vs-ios-6-memory-consumption-omg.html (http://plainoldstan.blogspot.com/2013/09/ios-7-vs-ios-6-memory-consumption-omg.html)
QuoteiOS 7 vs iOS 6 memory consumption. OMG?
Known thing my app starts slower on iPhone 4 with iOS7 then it is on the same iPhone 4 with iOS6. This is pretty sad, but not the only sad thing...
As I'm profiling now the app before its soon to come release to AppStore, I got to the following screenshots for the fresh app start on iPhone 4 with iOS6:
Note the 1.55MB number. And now, the sad thing, same fresh start on iPhone5 with iOS7:
Noticed that 8.21MB?! I currently only have iOS7 installed on iPhone 5, so I can't compare iPhone 4 iOS7 vs iOS6 consumption, but I believe this iPhone 5/4 factor should not play any role here. It is just iOS thingy.
While not that sad for iPhone 5/5s, it is pretty bad news for my users that are still on iPhone 4, apps are going to consume more. All apps, not only mine... App startup is becoming definitely heavier and those extra allocations in iOS7 are surely standing for more work done by iOS7 while starting the app.
Having read Steve's biography, it looks to me like a step away from the "saving lives" approach to plain MS's "throw more memory on it - problem solved".
May I be wrong? I hope!
iPad Air 2 with iOS 8.1.2 runs beautifully with BIAS. I can run the lowest latency settings without cracks or pops. I still feel like the latency moves about a bit but from worst to best it is still quite workable.
I think BIAS sounds better than Jam Up for some reason.
I just wish there was some sort of MIDI control over BIAS....
A Kemper is just too hard to justify price wise.
Well, I decided to take baby steps with the guitar cabinet approach - I just ordered a Camplifier Studio. About $200 after currency conversion and shipping, so no biggie if it doesn't work out. And if it does, then I'll consider a more powerful power amp.
FWIW - I'm getting very good sounds using the Roland GA-212 strictly as a Powered Stereo Cab for my KPA!
QuoteFWIW - I'm getting very good sounds using the Roland GA-212 strictly as a Powered Stereo Cab for my KPA!
Yep, I was getting good stuff running the KPA mono into the FX return of my old Flextone II the other night. So there won't be any big surprises, really. More a question of form factor and convenience, i.e. whether having a KPA that serves as a self-contained amp head will make me happy. That, and seeing exactly how loud the little Studio version of the Camplifier is. I was really on the fence as to whether to go with this, or the new Ambrosi K-Power amp that's being discussed on the Kemper forum recently. (To be honest, when I was crunching the numbers I mixed up euros and dollars; otherwise I'd probably have sprung for the Ambrosi instead. Ah well...)
http://www.shop.ritteramps.de/Camplifier--amplifier--KPA/Camplifier-Studio.html (http://www.shop.ritteramps.de/Camplifier--amplifier--KPA/Camplifier-Studio.html)
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/16708-K-Power-Amp-A-custom-retrofit-poweramp-for-the-Lunchbox-With-pictures-videos/?pageNo=1&s=ccc8d0ab834ab801777432ad51f3b167cc53cc5a (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/16708-K-Power-Amp-A-custom-retrofit-poweramp-for-the-Lunchbox-With-pictures-videos/?pageNo=1&s=ccc8d0ab834ab801777432ad51f3b167cc53cc5a)
Quote from: mbenigni on January 08, 2015, 01:16:31 PM
Well, I decided to take baby steps with the guitar cabinet approach - I just ordered a Camplifier Studio. About $200 after currency conversion and shipping, so no biggie if it doesn't work out. And if it does, then I'll consider a more powerful power amp.
Mark, I've been following your Camplifier journey on the Kemper forum. I'm looking forward to seeing where it takes you. 8)
Someone on the KPA forum found this pic from a German video.
Quote
Source is a german video show called "Musotalk" and the person who holds it to the camera is Thomas Wendt.... He said, there will be more official informations soon.
Nice and small without exp pedals.
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on January 08, 2015, 01:40:52 PM
Mark, I've been following your Camplifier journey on the Kemper forum. I'm looking forward to seeing where it takes you. 8)
Thanks - good to have friends along for the ride. :)
QuoteNice and small without exp pedals.
Looks awesome. I just hope a) it's reasonably priced, and b) the new KPA firmware sends to MIDI Out when buttons etc. are pressed on the remote.
QuoteSource is a german video show called "Musotalk" and the person who holds it to the camera is Thomas Wendt.... He said, there will be more official informations soon.
Musotalk Episodes are here:
http://www.musotalk.de/neu (http://www.musotalk.de/neu)
Fast Forward to 28:36 minuteshttp://youtu.be/BjHqRmiFQMI (http://youtu.be/BjHqRmiFQMI)
German discussion group here
http://www.musiker-board.de/threads/kemper-kpa-profiling-amplifier-userthread.462095/page-213 (http://www.musiker-board.de/threads/kemper-kpa-profiling-amplifier-userthread.462095/page-213)
2015
Kemper Profiler Remote ( footswitch for KPA)
QuotePlease register by send your name and forum nickname to this email address: remote_early_bird@kemper-amps.com.
The registration is non-binding, we will not force you to buy eventually
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As Sgt Schultz, would say "VERY INTERESTING"
Now we'll have to just see what she'll do ;D
As Spicolli would say... "Awesome!!! Totally awesome!!!"
Unless my German is worse than I think, this is the remote control for the Kemper, not a floorboard version of it.
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Unless my German is worse than I think, this is the remote control for the Kemper, not a floorboard version of it.
Correct - its simply a remote controller for your existing KPA
Folks have been awaiting this for a couple years
But the "fear" is Kemper might have to price this way over $500 USD
I think they are sorting out what the target market will be - its a big cost difference if the manufacturer makes QNTY 100 vs QNTY 1000
QuotePlease register by send your name and forum nickname to this email address: remote_early_bird@kemper-amps.com.
The registration is non-binding, we will not force you to buy eventually
Yes, I signed up for the early bird mailing list, for the Remote, as I believe this may influence price, if enough people sign up.
QuoteUnless my German is worse than I think, this is the remote control for the Kemper, not a floorboard version of it.
It is confusing - since the large product name on rear of the new KPA Remote states
"KEMPER PROFILER"
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Pretty, pretty good....
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3185803682ee85ae3145b0d06&id=323fde76ec (http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3185803682ee85ae3145b0d06&id=323fde76ec)
http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3185803682ee85ae3145b0d06&id=323fde76ec (http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3185803682ee85ae3145b0d06&id=323fde76ec)
NAMM 2015 - Kick-Down for more Performance Power – The Profiler Remote
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Kick-Down for more Performance Power –
The Profiler Remote
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Kemper GmbH/ Ruhr Area, Jan. 12th, 2015 (ictw) – Kemper GmbH today announced the new Profiler Remote for the acclaimed Kemper Profiler to be available in Q1 2015.
The Profiler Remote is the perfect remote foot controller for the Kemper Profiler, fully integrated with the Profiler hardware and software. This integration includes phantom power supply from the Profiler, a display to reflect important information about the current working mode, connectors for additional pedals and automatic maintenance during firmware upgrades.
One to rule them all – Rigs, FX and much more
The Profiler Remote is a unique remote foot controller that goes beyond the obvious and established concepts. The tight integration with the excellent features of the Kemper Profiler make this combination the most powerful and inspiring performance solution ever while keeping it simple and straightforward in terms of programming, assigning and operation.
Well designed in a sturdy metal housing complimenting the look and feel of the Profiler the Profiler Remote connects via an included 7 meter/ 21 feet long Ethernet cable and draws its power from the Profiler, no extra power supply needed. The Profiler Remote features 4 direct connectors to hook up your favorite pedals to control continuous controllers like WahWah, Gain, Volume, Delay Level, Delay Feedback, etc.
The buttons on the Profiler Remote provide direct access to 5 program patches (Rigs), patch bank up and down, permanent Tuner with three LEDs, 30 sec. stereo Looper, Tap Tempo that also drives the unique real time Beat Scanner and an all time direct access to effects assigned to the current patch with the dedicated Stomp FX Buttons. The current status is visually represented on the Remote's display.
The versatile and unique Stomp FX Buttons
These four dedicated buttons can be freely assigned to switch on/ off stomps and effects. They can also trigger special features in certain effects. Their respective assignments and their on/off status are stored per Rig. Each button can also be assigned to multiple stomps and effects. Assigning the Stomp FX Buttons is simple and straightforward: Simply by pressing the Stomp Button on the Profiler and the respective button on the Remote simultaneously.
Connecting up to 4 expression pedals and/ or external switches
The Profiler Remote offers four TRS-sockets named to connect expression pedals. If there is the need for additional switches, mono and stereo switches can be used with these sockets, too.
The 30 second stereo LOOPER
The Looper Button activates the Profiler's new Looper function for recording up to 30 seconds in stereo. When activated the Looper turns the Bank Up/ Down and Rig Buttons on the remote to versatile Looper controls:
Record/Play - to control recording, playback and overdubbing
Stop - to interrupt recording, playback and overdubbing, and to clear the loop
Trigger - to start one playback cycle
Reverse - to change direction of recording, playback and overdubbing
Halftime - to change speed of recording, playback and overdubbing
Undo/Redo - to discard or recover last track
Additional Connectivity
The Profiler and the Profiler Remote communicate with each other via an ethernet cable. The cable included in the Profiler Remote package has been carefully selected, and is perfectly suited for this purpose. Kemper have included a Neutrik® etherCON® cable connector carrier which ensures a robust connection. For the use on bigger stages and using multiple Remotes for the Profilers it is possible to use additional powered Ethernet Hubs. This way, distances of more than 100m (300ft) can be bridged.
Direct Response Preset Switching
With the Profiler Remote Kemper have significantly accelerated the Rig switching time. What's even better: they managed to avoid the usual silent gap that happens when switching to the next sound and turn it into a smooth crossfade. In conjunction with the implicit spillover of delay and reverb the Profiler provides the smoothest sound switch transitions in the industry.
Controlling external MIDI Gear
With the Profiler Remote it is of course also possible to switch and control external MIDI Gear. Program changes executed with the Profiler Remote for example can be defined with a MIDI program change command that is sent to external MIDI gear simultaneously via the Profiler's MIDI Out connector.
Pricing and availability
The Profiler Remote will be available exclusively from the Kemper Online store during Q1/ 2015 for Euro 499,- (incl. VAT) and USD 599,- (plus applicable tax).
In stores the Profiler Remote will be offered as a bundle with the Kemper Profiler. The price will be announced.
Further Information: www.kemper-amps.com (http://www.kemper-amps.com)
About The Profiler
The Kemper Profiling Amplifier represents a radical new approach to guitar sound. For decades, the electric guitarist has effectively been shackled to the tube amplifier as the only solution for getting "that sound". This combination may indeed be glorious, but it is far from ideal; achieving consistent results between practice, studio, and touring situations continues to challenge the guitarist, just as it has since the early 1930's. With the advent of the Kemper Profiling Amplifier, everything has changed. For the first time in history, guitar players are free to create the most unique and individual tones that reflect the very essence of the individual player, and then capture these exact sounds into the digital domain with Kemper's unique technology.
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Very happy with this development and already have placed my pre-order
Thanks I had not seen this yet. This answers the question about the KPA MIDI out and use. Now if any of the Expression pedals or switches can be programmed for external use this will be verry ,very nice. Ill have to swing over to the KPA site and get more info. Price is a little steep , but a nice addition.
Quote from: Elantric on January 11, 2015, 08:52:16 PM
Very happy with this development and already have placed my pre-order
You mean you've actually placed an order, or signed up for the list? If an order, where?
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on January 12, 2015, 07:44:27 AM
Thanks I had not seen this yet. This answers the question about the KPA MIDI out and use. Now if any of the Expression pedals or switches can be programmed for external use this will be verry ,very nice. Ill have to swing over to the KPA site and get more info. Price is a little steep , but a nice addition.
That's all the info there is, for now. Maybe more will leak out before NAMM, where all will be revealed. Price is steep, but reasonable considering the integration, build quality and warranty support.
Yes, I will keep checking. Now that I know at a minimum it will send Midi PC's it might just work for my rig. And yes the intergration would be quite nice.
Specific mention of Control Change for external gear without mention of Continuous Controller messages is troubling. We will just have to wait and see.
Tight integration of features between the KFC and KPA is inherent (and expected) in a design created for a specific product. Wide application of functions of KFC with other hardware cannot be expected to be as well implemented as a control device designed for generic use.
I'm getting on the wait list for KFC but want final details before I buy. I don't mind the price. I think it's fair.
Scratch17
Contact your favorite Kemper Dealer to be on the preorder allocation list
Food for thought:
To physically compare the new Remote to the FCB1010, at first glance, it looks smaller, lighter, RJ45 cable connect( instead of 1 or 2 midi cables, and an AC cable).
However, given the price, I am now "on the fence"!
Since I am already using an FCB and a Moog EP-3, for one of the pedal inputs in the rear( which I find to be a great $40 exp pedal!), I decided to compare dimensions and weight. The bottom line in this comparison, is that after I add 2 Moog EP-3s(for an equal comparison of 2 exps that ARE built into the FCB), the FCB is 27" wide, and the Remote w/ 2 EP-3s (1" separated from each other) is 25.5" wide.
The FCB weighs 9.55lbs. The Remote w/ 2 Moog EP-3s weighs 10.7 lbs.
SO, the footprints are within 1.5 inches of each other, and the Remote w/ 2 pedals weighs over 1 lb. more. My FCB uses a stock chip, and I have programmed it to act like the Remote does, EXCEPT I will NOT have access to the looper function, as with the Remote.
Kemper is pretty smart to have the looper's access exclusive to the new Remote, cause in my case, it will be the only significant difference.
__ I use one midi, and 1 AC cable - so the single RJ45 cable is no big deal for me.
__ Many folks do not like the FCB's EXP pedals, although I have had very good experiences using them, with every few months or so, having to re calibrate them.
__ the Remote does have a more meaningful display, but I have easily memorized PC #s, so far.
So, now I have to ask myself, do I want to buy a $600 - 30 second stereo looper? Of course, I can buy a separate looper much cheaper to do this, but I then increase my footprint!
Now if we "early bird adopters" get a significant discount, then it is a tougher decision, although I would have to spend an additional $80, for two more Moog pedals, cause I am using 3 exp pedals presently.
I am staying on the list, in case there are a lot more advantages revealed, before the Remote's shipment. However, in keeping with my "less GAS means more guitar playing" New Year's resolution, for now, I think my used $80 FCB, and new $40 Moog EP-3 will do everything I want with my Kemper.
Brush , You stated my feelings on this very clearly. I couldn't agree with you more. For me the looper is immaterial. So as you say, I'll have to stay on the list and see if more is revealed
30 seconds of stereo loop time is also useless for me.
From Kemper:
"Profiler Remote is now available in our Online Store and the Early Bird program has been closed.
"Early birds" should keep still at the moment! Please expect to receive an e-mail with instructions and link later this week. Following this lane will ensure priority for people who have applied to the Early Bird Program.
All others are free to order their Remote in our Online Store selecting "Kemper" followed by "Accessories"."
Quick start guide for Kemper Remote.
http://www.kemper-amps.com/api/download/dlid/597/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/api/download/dlid/597/)
Okay, so what did I just buy?
First of all, thank you for choosing the Kemper Profiler Remote. In doing so, you have chosen the perfect remote
controller for your Profiler. You can think of it as a complementary control panel, fully integrated with the Profiler
hardware and software. This integration includes the power supply, a display to reflect important information
about the current mode and any edits you make, and automatic maintenance during firmware upgrades.
The intent of this Quick Guide is to help you get started, and to provide an overview of the functionality. If you
want to dig deeper into specific features, please refer to the "Profiler Remote and Looper" chapter in the Reference
Manual. We update the documentation on a regular basis. The latest and greatest can be found here:
www.kemper-amps.com/start/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/start/)
We recommend that you check back frequently.
Getting started
Please connect Profiler and Remote via the high quality Ethernet cable included in the package. As soon as you
switch the Profiler on, both units will boot-up together.
Up/Down buttons
In Performance Mode, use these buttons to navigate through your Performances. A short tap will step up or down
to the next Performance. Holding will initiate scrolling. Depending on the status of the parameter "Performance
Autoload" in the System menu, the Profiler will either load Slot 1 of the selected Performance immediately, or wait
until you hit one of the five Rig Buttons. In Browse Mode, you can step or scroll through Rigs in your Browse Pool
according to the selected View and Sort criteria.
Official explanation from Kemper, regarding using the looper function.
Quote@Laimon: i'm not burkhard but i might be able to sheet some additional light on that: the looper is highly interactive and Remote is required for the feedback you need to operate it. buttons with multiple meanings and states (depending on the actual situation) require the multi color LEDs and the display of Remote. without all the visual aid, you don't even know if you're in record or playback. we want to focus on making our looper great fun and that's why it turned out that Remote is requirement. other boards are not supported.
best, gs
Lots of controls for a minimal 30 second looper (on current KPA hardware) suggests longer range Intensions for this to also be the controller for a future 2016 Kemper II with hardware update and deeper RAM to support longer loop times
It certainly could be! I wonder how often they changed Access Virus hardware? If such a development comes to market, it would probably include dual profile use, and tons more of effect options, and much longer looper times. Right now I find the KPA a true gemstone, in the marketplace. Also, I found out, via Kemper, that I love Bogner amps! :)
Quote from: thebrushwithin on January 13, 2015, 08:39:50 AM
I found out, via Kemper, that I love Bogner amps! :)
I'm making discoveries like this, too, that I never would have made without the Kemper. Fuchs, Koch, Morgan, etc.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on January 13, 2015, 08:39:50 AM
It certainly could be! I wonder how often they changed Access Virus hardware? If such a development comes to market, it would probably include dual profile use, and tons more of effect options, and much longer looper times. Right now I find the KPA a true gemstone, in the marketplace. Also, I found out, via Kemper, that I love Bogner amps! :)
I have to agree, I never had a fondness for Marshalls till I got the KPA. Or the Deizel VH4 or Morgan or mant others I would never have the chance to try
I received my priority list email today for ordering the remote. Following the links to the USA store site, and selecting English, I tried to place my order through the Kemper store this morning and got an error message (in German), which I don't understand. For some reason I couldn't use Paypal to order.
I tried to use my debit card, but hadn't set up Verified by Visa for it yet. So that was a no go.
I am unsure as to what the third option for payment is. I believe it to be wire transfer, but again, I don't have enough German to be sure. Even if the other payment option is wire transfer, surely there is a charge, and I don't want to pay extra.
Frankly, the Kemper web store should work better, considering that the USA is the largest market for their product. It also should be entirely in English when that language is selected. In fact, why is German an option on an English speaking country's store?
So I've sent a request to Kemper for help.
Has anyone else here had the same issue? I'm thinking of calling my friend at Guitar Center and placing my order through him. It may mean a longer wait for delivery, but I'll have peace of mind.
Scrath17
I got mine as well, but will not be able to check it till 1:00pm EST , during lunch
KPA Store
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I ordered from my work computer , it's a little goofy , but got order confirmation
Yeah, got mine ordered too, after I raced home to use my MacBook. iPad wouldn't let me select US store, etc. I had same issue with " verified Visa", but it allowed me to set it up and continue.
I really wasn't wanting to enter all my VISA details online, but selecting PayPal kept giving me error prompts in German.
Oh well, confirmation email received and only 6 weeks to wait,... Just about the time I'll have finished programming my new Liquid Foot to control my KPA and everything else. Hmmmm.
Received my early bird notice, but I see there is no discount, so I think I will pass, as there is no significant smaller footprint, or operation when pairing it with 2 EXP pedals, as compared to my stock FCB. I just don't think it is worth the money, for basically just accessing the looper. My stock FCB has no patch change latency, as it is. I just don't see any advantage, other than the looper.
I'm also holding off my order until I sort out the price with my Dealer when it arrives in larger quantities in the USA, around April 2015
In the meantime I'll remain productive using GP-10 and Yonac ToneStack
I just entered prepay and got confirmation. Will wait for invoice to pay with paypal
On the KPA forum alot more bits of info is starting to leak out, and it's starting to look a little more interesting. I printed off the quick manual ( all 32 pges) and I am gonna peruse it tonight.
I've also contacted my dealer and waiting to see what info they come up with as it still will not ship for 6 weeks
I contacted my dealer and will wait. You'd think Kemper would offer something off the price to current owners. As an aside, as a programmer, I am loathe to trust financial data to a site that can't even get languages correct.
Version 3.0 announced at NAMM.
http://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2015/01/22/namm-2015-kemper-profiler-update-/ (http://www.sonicstate.com/amped/2015/01/22/namm-2015-kemper-profiler-update-/)
NAMM 2015: Kemper Profiler Update
Firmware Version 3.0 allows for separate profiling of Amps and Cabs and more 22-Jan-15
NAMM 2015: Kemper Profiler Update
Kemper has announced the next level of their acclaimed Profiling technology. The Profiler Firmware Version 3.0 now allows for profiling the guitar amps' output independently from the connected guitar cabinet.
This opens up a whole new world of possibilities. Guitar players can profile their favorite amp sound and afterwards play thru a neutral power amp or the Profiler's built in Class D amp into a guitar cabinet with the exact tone and behavior of their original tube amp. It also allows for freely combining "Direct Amp Profiles" with individually profiled cabs or imported impulse responses. The result is a complete Profile that can run a physical guitar cabinet onstage for monitoring and simultaneously feed the virtual guitar-speaker sound to the main PA.
Furthermore the new Firmware supports the tight integration of the Profiler Remote control pedal, featuring the smoothest preset switching available, a 30 second Looper and new Rig Pack created in cooperation with producer Michael Wagener in Nashville, Michael Britt of Lonestar and with Profile vendor The Amp Factory. Here's more details from Kemper...
More than 50 new Factory Profiles
The new Rig Packs contain a selection of "Merged Profiles", created with the new direct profiling technology. Kemper have spent some significant profiling time with studio legend Michael Wagener at his Nashville based Wireworld studios and have profiled everything from legendary preamps, amps and cabinets that have been used on numerous platinum selling records.
Michael Britt is the guitarist with the Nashville based platinum band Lonestar and has created a great collection of profiles which were already showcased by Pete Thorn in this video.
The Amp Factory collection consists of amps like Redplate, Clean Blackface, Driven Tweed, Fender Tweed Deluxe 58, Toneking Metro, Evil Robot, d/13 jtr37, Carr Roamer, Two Rock Bionyx and Marshall Jtm45.
Understanding Direct Profiling
The Kemper profiling technology has already had an incredible impact in the guitarists' community for being able to capture the sound and feel of the classic guitar rig: Tube Amp/ Cabinet/ Microphone. These profiles are called "Studio Profiles".
Now with Direct Profiling Kemper have gone even further and are able to capture the sound of a tube-amp including its power-amp separately from the cab - even when the cabinet load is active. This works by tapping the sound exactly where it hits the speaker cabinet: The speaker output! As high voltage and high wattage are present, a dedicated DI is required. This specialized DI box is capable of scaling down the tube power amp voltage to a line-level signal, suitable for the Profiler, on a XLR output jack. The high-power signal is forwarded to the speaker cabinet through a different output jack.
What is the purpose of this when the sound of the speaker will not be captured in the Profile? The purpose is to capture the amp including the complex impedance behavior of the speaker. This method captures those often discussed interactions between the power tube-amp and the connected speaker cabinet. When the Profile is played back through the Profiler's built-in class D amp, or an external solid state power amp, it will recreate the same impedance situation to the connected speaker-cabinet. This is the key to making the built-in power-amp sound like a real tube power-amp.
The Direct Amp Profile can later be merged with the respective cabinet portion of a Studio Profile. Alternatively, Direct Amp Profiles can be paired with arbitrary cabinet impulse-responses, imported by our CabMaker 2.0 software. The result is a complete Profile that can run a physical guitar- cabinet onstage for monitoring, and simultaneously feed the virtual guitar-speaker sound to the main PA.
About The Profiler
The Kemper Profiling Amplifier represents a radical new approach to guitar sound. For decades, the electric guitarist has effectively been shackled to the tube amplifier as the only solution for getting "that sound". This combination may indeed be glorious, but it is far from ideal; achieving consistent results between practice, studio, and touring situations continues to challenge the guitarist, just as it has since the early 1930's. With the advent of the Kemper Profiling Amplifier, everything has changed. For the first time in history, guitar players are free to create the most unique and individual tones that reflect the very essence of the individual player, and then capture these exact sounds into the digital domain with Kemper's unique technology.
Pricing and Availability:
The Kemper Profiler Firmware 3.0 is available from January 22nd, 2015 – free of charge for all registered owners of a Kemper Profiler.
More information:
www.kemper-amps.com (http://www.kemper-amps.com)
NB: the release date is incorrect. They have later said that the new firmware will ship "in February."
QuoteAs high voltage and high wattage are present, a dedicated DI is required. This specialized DI box is capable of scaling down the tube power amp voltage to a line-level signal, suitable for the Profiler, on a XLR output jack. The high-power signal is forwarded to the speaker cabinet through a different output jack.
The phrase "specialized DI box" required to create this new type of profile implies a need for specific additional hardware. Is Kemper about to announce another new hardware product? Or will any power attenuator (such as the Mesa Cab Clone or THD Hot Plate) do the job.
I really like the idea of being able to profile the tube amp --> speaker behavior and then use my Line 6 L2M to get a close representation of what my analog rig sounds like.
QuoteThe phrase "specialized DI box" required to create this new type of profile implies a need for specific additional hardware. Is Kemper about to announce another new hardware product? Or will any power attenuator (such as the Mesa Cab Clone or THD Hot Plate) do the job.
I doubt Kemper is going to produce a line of Di boxes
Many DI boxes accomplish this from Radial, Palmer,
I hope you are correct, but I am confused by this.
I own a Radial JDV. I just re-read the description of the -30dB pad feature on the Radial website. From what I am reading there, the JDV cannot be used in the manner that Kemper is describing.
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The JDV is equipped with a secondary -30dB pad that is designed to be connected via the speaker cabinet output – not the head. In other words, you need to load the amplifier with a speaker so that the JDV does not blow up. Most speaker cabinets are equipped with parallel ¼" connectors. The JDV will only tap a very small portion of the signal and will not alter the load on the head.
To create the new type of profile, the DI must be connected to the speaker outputs of the power amp, not the parallel outputs from the speaker cab.
I use a Weber Mass-Light Attenuator which has a line out which I feed into a passive Di box
https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/masslite.htm (https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/masslite.htm)
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and Palmer has been making Cab Sims with dummy loads since the 1970s - used by EVH
http://www.palmer-germany.com/mi/en/Speaker-Simulators.htm (http://www.palmer-germany.com/mi/en/Speaker-Simulators.htm)
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Thanks for the reply Elantric. I think I understand what I need now. I will need some sort of attenuator.
I finally had a chance to spend some time on the Kemper Forum and found a reference to the document describing the new Direct Amp Profiling method. This document refers to the Beta firmware that was offered to Kemper owners.
In this document are some really specific instructions as to how to create a Direct Amp Profile. It's a large document, so I've just copied specific portions of it that are confusing to me.
QuoteWhy do I need my speaker cabinet when I want to capture a Profile without a speaker?
It's true, the sound of the speaker will not be captured in this case, but the complex impedance behavior of the speaker is still needed to create those often-mentioned interactions between the power tube-amp and the connected speaker cabinet. The DI box will ensure that there are real-life interactions for the profiling process to capture. Later, when the Profile is played back through the built-in class D amp, or an external solid state power amp, it will recreate the same impedance situation to the connected speaker-cabinet. This is the key to making our built-in power-amp sound like a tube power-amp. For this reason, we recommend that you don't use any kind of power-soaks or power-attenuators, either as a substitute for, or in addition to, the DI box and true speaker. Those devices work mostly with simple resistors, which might inhibit the desired impedance interactions, thereby resulting in an inauthentic profile.
Further on, in the description is a section labeled "How to setup Direct Amp Profiling".
Quote- Use a speaker cable to connect the speaker output of your reference amp to the speaker input of the DI box.
- Switch off the optional speaker simulation of the DI box, if it has one.
So Kemper is saying don't use a power attenuator, just connect the output of your amp's speaker jack to the input of your DI box. This is where I'm really confused. My Radial JDV has a guitar input, not a "speaker" level input. I'm afraid that implementing this procedure might fry my JDV.
I'm going to post this on the forum and ask what they mean by the "speaker input of the DI box".
Quotewe recommend that you don't use any kind of power-soaks or power-attenuators, either as a substitute for, or in addition to, the DI box and true speaker. Those devices work mostly with simple resistors, which might inhibit the desired impedance interactions, thereby resulting in an inauthentic profile.
I'm a little bit confused by all of this, too. For one thing it seems to me that the resulting profile will be impacted by the overall level at which you run your power amp, and to a lesser extent, by the characteristics of the speaker itself.
Anyway... I probably don't have to understand it, since I'll mostly just sit back and download profiles from other users with more enviable amp collections than my own. :)
OK. I am now not confused. I need another Radial DI box that is specifically designed to take input from the speaker level outputs of my Mesa Boogie 20/20. That is the Radial JDX.
http://www.radialeng.com/jdx.php (http://www.radialeng.com/jdx.php)
It's $199.99 at Sweatwater.
mbenigni, once I do a Direct Amp Profile of my amp, I'll post it on the Kemper site for all to use.
There will many options with this new type of profile, depending on what you want to achieve and what hardware you have access to.
One way of using the Direct Amp Profile will be with the built in or an external FRFF amp that is connected to a guitar speaker cab. If you are using a profile that you made yourself with the speaker cab you are using, if Kemper has achieved what they set out to do, you should get a spot on recreation of yor tube head and cab, even though you're using a solid state amp.
But consider the creative possibilities of mix and match scenarios.
Say that you download a Direct Amp Profile of a Marshall DSL 100 watt head that was profiled with a stack of 4 x 12's. And you connect a 2 x 12 cab. I do not believe it is going to sound the same. Is that a bad thing? Not from my point of view. As a studio owner, I'm always looking to find new ways to create new sounds for clients.
Very little has so far been said of the Cab Maker 2.0 software's differences from the original version. The tidbit that caught my eye was that V 2.0 can import guitar cab impulse responses that can then be merged with a Direct Amp Profile. I read that to mean that the user that created the Direct Amp Profile will also be able to create an impulse response of the cab(s) he is using.
So as a one room Project Studio owner, I won't need a bunch of real guitar cabs taking up space.
No mention of how the IR file needs to be formatted. It might even be possible for Kemper users to use cabs who's IR response was created by a Fractal user. OK, that's not likely, but wouldn't that be a hoot?
QuoteSay that you download a Direct Amp Profile of a Marshall DSL 100 watt head that was profiled with a stack of 4 x 12's. And you connect a 2 x 12 cab. I do not believe it is going to sound the same. Is that a bad thing? Not from my point of view. As a studio owner, I'm always looking to find new ways to create new sounds for clients.
I definitely agree with you on this. Through many generations of amp modeling (hardware and software) I've observed that set ups with modeling pre's into guitar cabinets often sound better with cabinet simulation enabled, despite this being ostensibly redundant. It's not really all that suprising when you consider how subtle the EQ and dynamic impact is within a speaker's effective frequency range, and the fact that above that range the fall off is so abrupt that the redundancy has no audible effect, i.e. zero minus zero equals zero. Within the effective frequency range you have lots of minor notches etc. that are basically "seasoning to taste" when they are compounded between a cab sim and a real cab.
This very topic came up in a recent thread on the Kemper forum, where I posted the following, which you might also find interesting:
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Nothing wrong with enabling a cab sim if you prefer the way it sounds with your real guitar cab. Depends on the profile and your guitar cabinet. A good alternative to disabling the cabinet block is to enable it, then select the "!Cab Bypass!" setting. At default settings this sounds identical to disabling the cabinet block (IMO), but it gives you the flexibility of using all the cabinet parameters: High Shift, Low Shift, and Character. I figure I'll use these if I buy a 1x12 and it isn't ideal for the Kemper + Camplifier right out of the box.
The bottom line is as long as I, you (or your client) like the results, it can't be wrong. I hate it when forum posts go postal because someone believes that there is only one right way to do something. I've seen posts on the Kemper forum calling Direct Amp Profiling a "flaw". How absurd. If you don't like the results, go back to the Studio profiling approach.
I normally use my Line 6 L2Ms to power the Kemper. Since they are a power amp and speaker in a box I can't feed the Direct Amp Profile to the L2Ms and bypass the internal speakers to use a guitar cab with the solid state amps in them. So I must merge a cab profile into the Direct Amp Profile or I'll get horrible sound. That's a limitation, but it's based on my hardware, not the Kemper or its abilities.
I can always use a solid state amp to power a guitar cab. I'll just temporarily re-purpose the solid state amp I use for my studio's subwoofers. I can always pick up another amp if I like that sound.
JRR Shop has an order link for the Kemper Foot Controller
http://www.jrrshop.com/kemper-profiler-remote (http://www.jrrshop.com/kemper-profiler-remote)
Typically JRR Shop has numerous sales throughout the year - and I expect a future "holiday weekend sale" for this item
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REMOTE
DESIGNED TO WORK SEAMLESSLY WITH PROFILER
Profiler Remote is the quintessential foot controller for your Profiler. We've spent a tremendous amount of time to create a versatile and yet easy to operate floor board. The tight integration in between Profiler and Remote allows you to control, administer and program without any knowledge about MIDI or delving through cryptic data sheets.
The large, illuminated display is designed to be looked at from a distance and Remote's housing is built like a tank. Just what the doctor orders for touring musicians on dark stages.
Five buttons allow you to directly access five different programs ("Rigs") and entire performance programs can be switched using a bank system. There are dedicated buttons to access the tuner, tap tempo in and enable the new, exclusive Looper Effect.
Remote connects via a single Ethernet cable to your Profiler. No extra power supply in needed and the included cable is 7 meters long (21ft). Longer cables are possible as well.
Up to four continuous foot pedals can control multiple parameters inside your Profiler. Four buttons switch of stomps and effects. The programming required is easier to learn than putting a new contact into your cell phone. Click to choose, assign, done.
THE LOOPER
There is something magic about loopers. Doesn't matter if you use them to create layered worlds of sound or to rehearse the complex middle-8 of your last composition.
With a single click on a button, Remote turns into a fully fledged Looper control station. Loops can be recorded, overdubbed and deleted by using the buttons on the board. You can reverse, halftime and undo takes. The maximum duration of a loop is thirty seconds. The Looper is exclusively available to Remote users.
PROGRAMMING REMOTE
Four buttons, which can be assigned individually for every program, can control multiple stomp effects at the same time. In order to associate an effect with a button, all you need to do is: Press a stomp button on your Profiler and hold the button of your choice on Remote at the same time. Done.
MADE WITH TOURING IN MIND
Remote connects to Profiler with a single cable. We are using a Neutrik® etherCON® connector to ensure the most robust connection possible on stage. By using a powered ethernet hub, distances in excess of 100 meters (300ft) can be bridged with a simple Ethernet cable.
CONTROLLERS AND SWITCHES
The four TRS connectors on the rear panel can be used for continuous controllers and switches. Each controller can be freely assigned per program. Multiple assignments per controller are also possible. Status color LEDs give you a great overview on assignments and purpose of a switch/pedal.
ADMINISTER OTHER EQUIPMENT
Remote allows you to control external MIDI gear by sending program change messages utilizing the MIDI output of your Profiler.
Controlling Kemper by POD HD500
http://youtu.be/lcFHaJYLpx4 (http://youtu.be/lcFHaJYLpx4)
Controlling Kemper performance mode via Line 6 pod hd500 midi. It is not a 100% perfect midi controller but it does everything that I need in live session.
Can access to first 4 presets in your performance mode rig and switch on/off 4 stomp or effects. (5 if you want to use looper button as a cc toggle switch. I didn't use it since whenever I push looper the pod hd500 screen goes to looper mode) Tap button and Volume (or wah/pitch/gain controll/reverb,delay mix) works perfectly. Bank up/down button on hd500 can not be assigned as midi controller.
Would not recommend to those who are looking for a midi controller that can controll everything on Kemper. But for those who already have pod hd500 or 500x, are worth trying it.
Mastermind GT series - Way out of my price range
Liquid foot jr - Half price of Mastermind but still high price range
FCB 1010 Eureka - Good price but not my taste
TBH I have Liquid foot jr+ but hd500x did everything what I needed.
POD HD500X - Bought it around 410 USD for pre-christmas sale
Liquid foot jr+ - Around 700USD including accessories and shipping.
REMOTE NEWS FOR EARY BIRDS
Dear -
The first Profiler Remotes will start shipping next week. For those who have ordered Remote already, we have great news for you. You will receive addition info including details on when your Remote will ship out within the next couple of days.
In case, you haven't put down your order already, please note that we will close the prioritized order for "early birds" like you on Friday, 06-March-2015.
With best regards,
The Kemper Online Store team
Kemper GmbH, Koenigswall 16-18, 45657 Recklinghausen, Germany
Handelsregister: Amtsgericht Recklinghausen, HR 4471
Sitz d.G.: Recklinghausen. Geschäftsführer: C. Kemper, T. Matuschowski
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Yes! I got the email as well, looking forward to seeing if this thing does all that's implied 8)
Kemper users,... Public beta 3.0 is now available.
All Kemper apps have been updated
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Kemper Profiler Firmware 3.0.0 Public Beta
This firmware introduces the following new features and fixes:
User Interface
- added: support of Profiler Remote including Looper and revised System menu (for details refer to chapter "Profiler Remote" in Reference Manual 3.0)
- added: new option of QUICK button allows to recall latest edit menu
- added: MIDI Output routing for two external devices and capability to send MIDI program changes in Performance Mode (for details refer to chapter "MIDI" in Reference Manual 3.0)
- added: MIDI CC #48/49 value 0 stepping Rig up/down in Browse Mode
- changed: time to load Slots within one Performance significantly shortened
- changed: faster switching between Rigs including same Amp and Cab Profiles
- changed: Direct Edit is permanent now. While one edit menu is open (e. g. Stomp A) pressing another Module button (e. g. DELAY) will not switch on/off that Module but instantly open its edit menu.
Audio
- changed: next generation Profiling incl. automatic detection of Direct Amp Profiles and the ability to merge Direct Amp Profiles and a Cabinet Profile into a so called "Merged Profile". Please read related article in Addendum 3.0!
- added: noise in Delay effects fixed
- added: "Aux In >Main" also feeding S/PDIF OUT
Factory Content*
WARNING: All Rigs included in this firmware have been stored in the new profiling format and are not downward compatible below 2.8.0 firmware!
- added: 49 Merged Rigs included in firmware also available as "Merged Rigs Pack"
- changed: all Rigs have been stored in new profiling format and are also available as "Factory Content 3.0".
* All Factory Rigs and Presets embedded in this firmware can be imported via function "Factory Rigs" in System menu. If you prefer to import Rigs selectively, please pick and choose from our Factory Rig Packs available on our download-page. All Rig Packs have been revised and have been migrated to new profiling format, which is NOT downward compatible below 2.7.4 Release!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/id/27/cat/35/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/id/27/cat/35/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Rig Manager
Revision required: 1.3.1
NOTE: In case the current firmware installed is older than 1.8.2 release you need to take an interim step and upgrade to 1.8.2 first, before you will be able to install current firmware. 1.8.2. Release can be found in category "Older Operating System Versions".
DownloadDate:2015-02-24File size:7.61 MB
Rig Manager 1.3.1 for Windows
Windows librarian software for Profiler.
The following operating systems are supported: Windows 7 32/64bit, Windows 8 32/64bit.
*** This version of Rig Manager requires Profiler OS 3.0 or higher ***
Download Changelog
DownloadDate:2015-02-10File size:32.83 MB
Rig Manager 1.3.1 for OSX
Apple OSX librarian software for Profiler.
The following operating systems are supported: OSX 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, 10.10
*** This version of Rig Manager requires Profiler OS 3.0 or higher ***
Download Changelog
DownloadDate:2015-02-10File size:13.57 MB
Cab Maker 2.0 Windows
This application converts impulse response files into cabinet definitions for the Kemper Profiler. Version 2.0 supports new content formats introduced in Profiler firmware 3.0
The following operating systems are supported: Windows 7 32/64bit, Windows 8 32/64bit.
*** This version of Rig Manager requires Profiler OS 3.0 or higher ***
Download Changelog
DownloadDate:2015-02-10File size:1.06 MB
Cab Maker 2.0 OSX
This application converts impulse response files into cabinet definitions for the Kemper Profiler. Version 2.0 supports new content formats introduced in Profiler firmware 3.0
The following operating systems are supported: OSX 10.7, 10.8, 10.9, 10.10
*** This version of Rig Manager requires Profiler OS 3.0 or higher ***
Download Changelog
Download
Be sure to get the new updated KPA manuals too ( most of these are brand new - despite showing "stale" date codes from 2013)
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/542015/1424804269_1767854933_KPA_DOCS.PNG)
And new Rig Packs
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/id/27/cat/35/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/id/27/cat/35/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Elantric, thanks for the update I havent made it to Kemper site today
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/)
Kemper Profiler Firmware 3.0.0 Release (Build 10856)
This firmware introduces fixes and major new features.
Download Changelog
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KEMPER Profiler Firmware 3.0.0.10856 Release Notes
This firmware introduces the following new features and fixes:
User Interface
- added: support of Profiler Remote including Looper and revised System menu (for details
refer to chapter "Profiler Remote" in Reference Manual 3.0)
- added: new option of QUICK button allows to recall latest edit menu
- added: MIDI Output routing for two external devices and capability to send MIDI program
changes in Performance Mode (for details refer to chapter "MIDI" in Reference Manual 3.0)
- added: MIDI CC #48/49 value 0 stepping Rig up/down in Browse Mode
- changed: time to load Slots within one Performance significantly shortened
- changed: faster switching between Rigs including same Amp and Cab Profiles
- changed: Direct Edit is permanent now. While one edit menu is open (e. g. Stomp A)
pressing another Module button (e. g. DELAY) will not switch on/off that Module but instantly
open its edit menu.
Audio
- changed: next generation Profiling incl. automatic detection of Direct Amp Profiles and the
ability to merge Direct Amp Profiles and a Cabinet Profile into a so called "Merged Profile".
Please read related article in Addendum 3.0!
- added: noise in Delay effects fixed
- added: "Aux In >Main" also feeding S/PDIF OUT
Factory Content*
WARNING: All Rigs included in this firmware have been stored in the new profiling format and
are not downward compatible below 2.8.0 firmware!
- added: 49 Merged Rigs included in firmware also available as "Merged Rigs Pack"
- changed: all Rigs have been stored in new profiling format and are also available as "Factory
Content 3.0".
* All Factory Rigs and Presets embedded in this firmware can be imported via function
"Factory Rigs" in System menu. If you prefer to import Rigs selectively, please pick and
choose from our Factory Rig Packs available on our download-page. All Rig Packs have
been revised and have been migrated to new profiling format, which is NOT downward
compatible below 2.7.4 Release!
FYI
I tried to update to 3.0 and had issues with MIDI response when set to OMNI on Kemper(for CC's all my gear after Kemper), they said they will fix in a future update. Just want to help someone avoid my frustration.
Dave
Thanks , I have a gig on Sat. I was gonna update on Sun ,but may wait till my remote ships May 21st
Hurraaaay !! And super excited... ;D I Just got notice this morning my Kemper Remote will ship this week.
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on March 10, 2015, 11:53:42 AM
Hurraaaay !! And super excited... ;D I Just got notice this morning my Kemper Remote will ship this week.
Congrats!
Thanks It's been a long time commin. I'll keep you posted as to how well it integrates with my GR55 when it gets here
Just got my Kemper Remote and unboxed it. It's very solid feeling. I'm gonna plug her in and see how she works and see if I can set up PC's for my GR55 ;D
Before going further - be sure to update the Kemper to the latest Firmware first
They have a new public beta released Friday March 13, 2015
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/170/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
Profiler Firmware 3.0.1.10908
This firmware introduces the following new fixes:
User Interface
? fixed: handling of old Amplifier Presets
? fixed: volume of Aux In into S/PDIF OUT now controlled via "Aux In > Main"
? fixed: potential software error when copying Amplifier Module
? fixed: receiving MIDI commands while channel set to "Omni"
? fixed: notes being displayed and "Mute Signal" flag being processed when Profiler gets started in Tuner
Mode
? improved: USB-stick compatibility and performance
Audio
? fixed: reliability of pasting cabinets, merging Profiles, and storing Merged Profiles
? fixed: crackles of Looper and Aux In during Rig change
? fixed: occasional sound anomalies after switching between Browse and Performance Mode multiple
times
Known Issues
? Direct Amp profiles not accurately recognized under specific circumstances. Intended Solution: Manual
selection of Studio versus Direct Amp profiles in preparation.
? Profiles can be corrupted, if other Rigs have been merged just before. Workaround: Always reload Rig
immediately before initiating profiling.
Hopefully by summer 2015 Kemper firmware will be stable and functional ( 3 years after purchase) - and with less confusion and "unlearning" - I always felt like a Beta tester playing "Where's Waldo Today?" everytime I turn it on.
then I can get down to business and finally use it.
Got remote hooked up and worked without a hitch. I set up a Performance bank and it appears to be sending proper MIDI program change . So far so good. I have rehearsal tonight so don't have any more time today, I'll have more time tommorrow night to verify how everything works
It was very nice to just plug in Remote with supplied ethernet cord and have it work. Instead of power cord and 2 MIDI cables.
Elantric, just saw your post . I did the update Sunday to new Public Beta. No problems played with it for about 3 hrs at rehearsal without a hitch.
Got mine and hooked it up Saturday and it is a brick screen just shows scrolling black lines! Kemper support no response yet! Feel like I bought and expensive brick! Frustrating!
Oh well!
Sorry to hear that . My shipping box was kind of torn up by UPS. But everything apears to be working fine. I'm surprised Support hasn't gotten back to you. I've had great luck with them. Hope It's something simple
I assume you did the 3.01 update
Yes did the update and tried everything!!
Just heard from Kemper they are sending me a new tested unit with a prepaid return label! Now that is excellent customer service!
Whoo hoo! Made my day!
Hope you tried this:
Flash memory erase\update
If the Profiler's memory has been messed up by a defective profile\maxed out and the unit doesn't boot properly any longer, try this ([burkhard]. NOTE: all the rigs will be erased during this procedure):
push and hold soft button 1 (top left above display) while switching on the unit into Tuner Mode;
keep pushing the button until the Booting Maintenance Mode message appears;
in Maintenance mode push Maintenance, Memory, Init Flash, Yes, Ok, and shut down;
start Profiler normally, enter your owner name at the end of the welcome sequence, then enter System Menu and push the Factory Rigs button. This will restore the factory rigs.
Quote from: Tonemasterus on March 17, 2015, 02:29:47 PM
Yes did the update and tried everything!!
Just heard from Kemper they are sending me a new tested unit with a prepaid return label! Now that is excellent customer service!
Whoo hoo! Made my day!
Thanks Bill,
I was speaking of the remote not the Kemper itself (even though I tried resetting the KPA too). I think it is an issue with the lcd on the remote but who knows all I know is it doesn't work and Kemper is sending a new remote.
Thanks for the suggestion. I scoured the Internet looking for a remote reset procedure and couldn't find anything and I tried re flashing all 3.0 firmwares with the remote attached to see if something would change the behavior, but nothing did.
Dave
QuoteGot remote hooked up and worked without a hitch. I set up a Performance bank and it appears to be sending proper MIDI program change . So far so good. I have rehearsal tonight so don't have any more time today, I'll have more time tommorrow night to verify how everything works
It was very nice to just plug in Remote with supplied ethernet cord and have it work. Instead of power cord and 2 MIDI cables.
So jealous! I've started with the distant early warnings for the Mrs. so I'm prepped to order if and when Kemper makes those expression pedals "visible" to external MIDI gear via CC.
Tonemasterus, that must have been very frustrating after the long wait. I wish Kemper had managed to get units in the hands of U.S. retailers e.g. Sweetwater. I think it would have made fulfillment and shipping a little less of a challenge than it has been. Anyway, glad they're making good with a replacement!
Glad to hear. Yes Kemper support is pretty responsive.
Mark, Good luck with the Mrs.
I brought mu GR55 home from the rehearsal space and get to spend a couple of hours with it ,the KPA, and the Remote tonight.
Curious that Kemper retailers are not selling the Remote separately - but only as part of a new Kemper bundle purchase
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/kemper-profiler-head-remote-bundle (http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/kemper-profiler-head-remote-bundle)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/892015/1427823788_1441412560_KPARemote.PNG)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=Kemper+Profiler+Remote&Go=Search (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=Kemper+Profiler+Remote&Go=Search)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/892015/1427823992_332173726_KPARemote2.PNG)
Previously, Kemper had announced it would be this way. If you want a remote only, you must buy direct, for now.
Kemper announces in February that the only way to get a Remote separately was direct from there store and stores would only be able to sell them paired with a KPA . With the favorable exchange rate I paid $543 shipped from the Kemper Store
Well, I've used the new Kemper Remote on a couple of gigs and here is my current thoughts.
Build quality is excellent the switches feel very robust and the screen is fairly clear on stage. The switching on the new 3.02 software is even faster and the Midi pc's to my Gr55 are very quick. Im having a bit of an adjustment to the new closer arrangement of the effects switches, but love the tuner and tap tempo buttons
I'm not that crazy about the 2 screen views thay give you and hope they will come up with some new options.
It's nice not having a power cable to the front of stage for the Remote
I am currently redoing my old Midi and audiosnake to just have the Remote cable, a MIDI cable back to the GR55, and a powerline either running through the Midi cable or alongside theother 2 cables to power the GR55..I'm trying to illininate any power cords to the front of the stage
In general I like the pedal a lot.I do feel its about $200 too expensive, but I guess you're paying for direct feedback to and from the Kemper
Also when they add the abiity to send MIDI CC's it will add more value to it
QuoteIt's nice not having a power cable to the front of stage for the Remote
I am currently redoing my old Midi and audiosnake to just have the Remote cable, a MIDI cable back to the GR55, and a powerline either running through the Midi cable or alongside theother 2 cables to power the GR55..I'm trying to illininate any power cords to the front of the stage
Yeah, that's always an obsession for me, too, and is the primary reason I haven't just gone the FCB1010+Uno route already.
QuoteIn general I like the pedal a lot.I do feel its about $200 too expensive, but I guess you're paying for direct feedback to and from the Kemper
Also when they add the abiity to send MIDI CC's it will add more value to it
I agree about the price, but it's what the market will bear, I guess. Until/ unless the MIDI CC support happens, I'll have to vote with my wallet - which is light enough of late anyway - and abstain. :)
QuoteAlso when they add the ability to send MIDI CC's it will add more value to it
Thats my dream as well, but I figure this feature has the same momentum as a working KPA GUI Editor for Win/PC - i.e. very low priority
QuoteThats my dream as well, but I figure this feature has the same momentum as a working KPA GUI Editor for Win/PC - i.e. very low priority
Man, I sure hope that isn't true. It seems like parsing expression pedal movements to MIDI CC Output would be such low hanging fruit - basically some division and concatenation, maybe a couple of new options in the System menu if they want to get fancy. As things stand they're marketing a $600 footcontroller that leaves many of us in need of... another footcontroller.
All there is to know about Kemper MIDI data transmission:
file:///C:/Users/Steve.Steve-HP_HDX18t/Downloads/Kemper%20Profiler%20Reference%20Manual%203.0.pdf
QuoteTransmitting MIDI Commands in Performance Mode
MIDI commands can be triggered and transmitted to up to two external devices, whenever a Slot is loaded in
Performance Mode. Select "MIDI Settings" on page "Slot Settings" and select the MIDI program change numbers
associated with Slots of current Performance. In System menu, navigate to page "Perform Mode: MIDI", and use soft
knobs 1 and 2 to assign a MIDI channel to each of the external devices. Use soft buttons 1 and 2 to determine
whether the corresponding external devices are connected to MIDI OUT or MIDI THRU.
?As soon as you select MIDI THRU to transmit MIDI commands by Slot the Profiler will stop forwarding incoming MIDI
data to MIDI THRU.
For your convenience you could also assign logical names to those two external devices.
Zero mention of transmitting MIDI CC# = limited options for remote controlling VG-99/GR-55/GP-10(with Raspberry Pi)
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Profiler Firmware 3.0.2.10951
This firmware introduces the following new fixes:
User Interface
? fixed: loss of Performance Tempo during Slot change
? changed: parameter "Looper Location" now controlled via soft button instead of soft knob and its
default is "Pre" instead of "Post"
? changed: parameter "Rotation Speed" of Rotary Speaker now controlled via soft button instead of soft
knob. This button can also be used to assign this function to one of Remote's Effect Buttons.
Audio
? fixed: Looper volume anomalies
? fixed: occasional drop of volume when switching Reverb Module
? added: manual selector for Direct Profiles ("No Cabinet") in Profiling mode
Mark, Looks like you aare getting ready for the Kemper Remote.
I just ran into minor/major problem at Gig Saturday night. Was reaching to turn on an effect and caught the Looper with my toe. That was a treat, so yesterday I cut a piece of hard black foam to slip over the looper button. I don't use a looper live and that ain't gonna happen again.
Good guess. :D
Realistically, I won't order one for a couple of months yet, since frankly I think Kemper has made a complete hash of this rollout. But I'd like to know that I've covered the expense if Kemper ever gets their act together. At the moment they're a) shipping too few units to meet demand, and b) shipping too high a percentage of failing units with no explanation as to why. All of this seems insane to me at this price point, and after all this time in development.
Re: the problem you had at the gig, that sounds like another option that should be rolled into firmware, i.e. to enable/ disable the looper button.
http://youtu.be/YuHNsIcLey0 (http://youtu.be/YuHNsIcLey0)
2 defective kemper profiler remotes
I just saw your post on the Kmper site. I agree Kemper pretty much has botched the rollout on the Remote. Right now I'm with you, they need to issue a difinitive reason for the failures.
There are things and changes I think they will add over time.
But I have to say using the remote with my modified crybaby smokes the FCB1010. It's super easy to program and fast and and quick to setup
QuoteBut I have to say using the remote with my modified crybaby smokes the FCB1010
Yeah, I know I'm coming off extremely negative over there (a bad habit of mine) but it's exactly because I expect great things from the Remote that I'm so frustrated. We waited so long before the product was even released, then Kemper made it nearly impossible to order the damn thing, then botched the timeline on shipping them, then ran out of them, and now some unknown percentage of them don't work and they won't or can't say why. That is a straight up clusterf***, and without even mentioning that (IMO) some really fundamental functions aren't addressed as of current f/w.
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19953-Here-s-video-of-my-2-remotes-breaking/?postID=219982&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1#post219982 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19953-Here-s-video-of-my-2-remotes-breaking/?postID=219982&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1#post219982)
So yeah, I hate it because I love it LOL.
I see the current est. wait on new orders is 105 days - more than three months! If you told me that would still be the case in April, back when they "released" the product in, what was it, January? I wouldn't have believed you. ::) You're really lucky to have your hands on one - and one that works!!!
Pretty much have to agree with you there ;D And yes I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
I just remade mt pedal snake with only 1 Midi cable and 1 output cable(to GR55)and the remote cable
QuoteI just remade mt pedal snake with only 1 Midi cable and 1 output cable(to GR55)and the remote cable
Sweet!
Kemper Profiler Editor built in Ctrlr
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1)
I want to start an Open Community Project for KPA editor via MIDI.
I think we could use ctrlr.org/ API .
The point is to create KPA Editor to control KPA with MIDI (CC,NRPN, SYSEX) for win, macos, linux in standalone and vst versions.
I've started programming with no graphics but it is no problem to add a nice and fancy GUI with CTRLR.
After an hour I have basic stack regulation done(via sysex) :)
You can just simply copy and paste next controllers and buttons - only you have to modify SYSEX message.
In attachment you will find a panel project for KPA.
So lets take this in our hands:)
Cheers!
Info Sectiom:
You have to download Ctrlr for your Os to open the project panel:
Windows 64 and 32
MacOs
Linux
Edit Section:
Big Thanks to Laurent from France (GuyTarero) who added a lot to this project:)
If anyone is interested : here is a panel to upload RIG KIPR file to KPA via MIDI:(yes it is possible:))
dropbox.com/s/b206dzdovtlrsu9/RigUploadToKpa.panel?dl=0
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2lrswfod2hc9qlr/KPA_actual.png?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/trx2iass8atsjcu/TagEditor.png?raw=1)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14518.msg103869#msg103869 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14518.msg103869#msg103869)
G String ( Kemper) wrote>
Quotethe midi documentation on our website reflects what's available right now. if you believe, specific commands/requests etc. are missing this might either indicate that we have not implemented those or those are not available using the standard midi trio for reasons beyond what we want to discuss. or maybe, you expect things to work in a way which they don't. if you refer to little things, such as a missing parameter you're probably right and you might find those out by trying around as you have successfully before. as you can see, those are all in a more or less consecutive order.
we appreciate this community effort but regrettably we do not have the resources to offer individual technical support at this time. the midi documentation we have is deep and detailed and took a lot of time already.
hth, gs
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=7&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=7&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1)
The new Kemper Remote might gain more interest if Kemper could just add transmission of MIDI CC# messages to control third party gear -( like our VG-99 / GR-55 Control Assignments)
Elantric, thanks for moving this.
I'm still working on getting power to GR55 without power cable plugging in at front of the stage and/or a remote pedal for the GR control switch
QuoteYeah, I know I'm coming off extremely negative over there (a bad habit of mine) but it's exactly because I expect great things from the Remote that I'm so frustrated. We waited so long before the product was even released, then Kemper made it nearly impossible to order the damn thing, then botched the timeline on shipping them, then ran out of them, and now some unknown percentage of them don't work and they won't or can't say why. That is a straight up clusterf***, and without even mentioning that (IMO) some really fundamental functions aren't addressed as of current f/w.
And now (without naming any specific names) I see Kemper reps. taking a certain glib, dismissive tone with customers who are dissatisfied, and the KPA fans on their forum are lashing out at those same customers instead of taking Kemper to task. I feel like Kemper, having achieved something rather unique with the KPA itself, are a little self-satisfied, a little too OK with being "almost ready for prime time". As good as the KPA may sound, I've been waiting for the missing piece that will make it usable since the day I bought it. Things like this get me thinking about just selling the damn thing (again) but I'm trying not to cut off my nose to spite my face, as they say.
Have to agree it's been a little strange over there lately. Not to defend Kemper , but might be the sheer frustration they are feeling from the members. But having not yet stated a reason for the problems, I feel they have brought it upon themselves ???
It's just amazing to me that their tone would be anything other than apologetic, in light of the way things have played out. That's kind of the point (or at least one of them) of having a public presence on the web - to put a good face on things when customers aren't satisfied. This snarky, "it is what it is" routine - which I've seen several times when feature requests come up as well - is wearing a little thin.
Quote from: mbenigni on April 14, 2015, 11:28:08 AM
This snarky, "it is what it is" routine - which I've seen several times when feature requests come up as well - is wearing a little thin.
Totally.
Just figured out how to "toggle" 2 effects on Kemper. Very cool feature.
Made it super easy to set up Wa to Pitch for expression pedal. The Roland ev-5 works pretty well for both Wa and pitch ;D.
I still have to finish modifing an old Crybaby for my second pedal, but not real crazy about the weight.
Does anyone know of a Wa pedal that is made of aluminum something lighter then cast metal
I finally gave up on holding out for the Kemper Remote. They made it really easy for me, as in, I couldn't get one if I tried LOL. Pulled my for sale listings for the MIDI Moose and started reprogramming in earnest with an Event Processor Plus. Got the looper working, will use default PC's for performance mode, will program a couple of banks to turn stomps on and off. With 5 switches I'll have to pick and choose which functions are available at any given time, but it should suffice. The only thing I need now is a good expression pedal that sends MIDI - the Sonuus Voluum is overkill for this purpose, and a little bulky. I'll wedge a MIDI merger in the back of the KPA to combine inputs. One more cable tolerated; $600 saved. :) Thanks?
Keep us posted on how everything turns out, with the MIDImoose and other gear. Whatall are you controlling besides the Kemper?
Thanks for the interest, Paul. The rest of my gear, when I'm using the Kemper, tends to be extremely simple, actually. I just run the direct out into an iPad (via iRig Pro) which runs JamOrigin and Sampletank, then route that output back to the Kemper's returns. The seemingly obvious/ simple thing I always need is to crossfade between those synths and my guitar tone, but the devil is in the details. Jam Origin requires a clean signal (i.e. pre-amp/stomps) to track, of course, and the synths are best routed back in post-amp, and the KPA's FX loop stomps don't behave in this way. Then there's the parallel path feature but that has a couple of show-stopping quirks of its own. (Specifically, it steals a couple of stomp slots, and at 100% parallel it still bleeds some of the AMP/CAB path through.) So I need to use the Direct Out settings in conjunction with Aux In->Main routing, and invert a MIDI CC to control the levels in SampleTank independently.
Details here: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg97116#msg97116 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3331.msg97116#msg97116)
If Kemper would add the ability to control Direct Out level or Aux In level with an expression pedal, or make the FX Loop stomps a little more flexible, a lot of my kludgy hardware could disappear, but that's not likely to happen any time soon. (And at the rate I'm going, I'll probably be blacklisted at Kemper Customer Support LOL.)
Sounds a little like the mess I've been slowly cleaning up. I wan't to go to the gig and just have things work
And I wouldn't worry about getting blacklisted at the KPA forum ;D
QuoteI wan't to go to the gig and just have things work
The mixed blessing right now is that I don't have a gig. The Kemper would have been too much of a handful for the last band I was in, so I just used a little combo amp and some stompboxes. That band's singer and myself are gearing up for something new this year, and it's a slow start, so I've had the luxury of taking the time to get things right. Hopefully the Kemper + MIDI Moose + 1x12 cab, and a little forethought, will get the job done. And hopefully I'll remember how to play the damned guitar when I finally get back around to it LOL.
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20052-Synth-like-the-Boss-SY-300/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20052-Synth-like-the-Boss-SY-300/)
I really would like to see this implemented and Christoph knows how to make a really good sounding synth.
Cheers,QuoteAdding some Stomp Oscillators would be fine with me :)
You can currently use extreme settings of Shapers/Fuzz to make pseudo oscillators.
Try these (on the Rig Exchange):
Fuzz Horn Lead pault
Ensemble Synth pault
BassMoogTouch paults
TouchLayerSyn 1 paul
Muff Moog 2+ paults
VowelCelloDooSynth
Vowelotron2
An opinionated review of KPA Remote by Tony McKenzie in UK
http://youtu.be/cZgli5vZUTI (http://youtu.be/cZgli5vZUTI)
In German
http://youtu.be/R4O-xFy74hg (http://youtu.be/R4O-xFy74hg)
http://youtu.be/ymyMzfjphxI (http://youtu.be/ymyMzfjphxI)
Updates on the Kemper Editor
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/nde712c8kd3wpdq/KPA_Sandokan71.png?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/egb287mbnmf7wut/KPA_Stomps_Sandokan71.png?raw=1)
This Community project is getting pretty cool 8)
On a side note, I am now very happy I did NOT order the Remote. That money is now going for an SY300, and I can change patches on both the Kemper, and the SY300. I think the proprietary Remote is definitely over priced, IMO.
QuoteI think the proprietary Remote is definitely over priced, IMO.
Feel the same here
I'm programming a Line6 FBV Shortboard MKII to accomplish most of the Kemper Remote tasks.
The original black iConnectMIDI box
(http://www.residentadvisor.net/images/reviews/2012/iconnectivity-iconnectmidi.jpg)
serves as a USB Host to 5 pin MIDI I/O converter for the FBV Shortboard MKII
http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvshortboardmkii.html (http://line6.com/footcontrollers/fbvshortboardmkii.html)
(http://line6.com/footcontrollers/images/fbvcontrol_shortboardmkii.jpg)
http://youtu.be/8o3dKYiCpfY (http://youtu.be/8o3dKYiCpfY)
QuoteOn a side note, I am now very happy I did NOT order the Remote.
Just watching the Remote rollout from the sidelines left a bad taste in my mouth. It also put a fire under my ass to get a footcontroller solution of my own working, and that process has been so much "fun" I'm back to thinking of just selling the KPA. I love the way the thing sounds, but ownership has been a perfect illustration of the old "the things you own own you" adage. For whatever reason, it just consistently demands too much of my attention.
(Yes, a little cranky this morning - apologies.)
QuoteI'm back to thinking of just selling the KPA. I love the way the thing sounds,
Funny, since the SY300 announcement, I have been considering selling my KPA as well. Not that the SY can replace it, but I may go back to strictly COSM, so I can utilize the money from the KPA for other things, like the SY300. I adore the old school tube feel of the KPA, and I think it is the best, but I question whether or not I really need to sound traditional at all! I went through all of the "has to be tubes" stuff, in the 60's, 70's, and half of the 80's, and it doesn't do it alone, for me. Guitar + synth is really what I love to play the most, as different combinations of these two instruments together, fit my tastes more. Also, all I listen to is electronic music, for the most part. There are combinations of synth sounds that go so well with guitar, even acoustic. Also, the COSM tech allows me to create with "abnormal" guitar sounds, which is more my cup of tea. I am so aware, these days, of the"paradox of choice", and going "deep" into a limited set of instrument choices, instead of "broad"(having one of everything) would be much more creative I think.
QuoteFunny, since the SY300 announcement, I have been considering selling my KPA as well. Not that the SY can replace it, but I may go back to strictly COSM...
I'm really not sure what I'm going to do at this point. Nothing quite replaces the KPA, but it's starting to feel like my albatross. And I feel like the token malcontent on their forum, which is an increasingly surreal experience. Obviously there are ways to make this thing work, because most everyone else seems thrilled with it. "It's not you, it's me" - isn't that what everyone says right before they break up? ;)
Maybe I'll just go back to my Mesa Express for a while, and put some of the proceeds from the KPA into good multi-FX in a floorboard format. Simple, but not quite as old school as the amp + analog stompboxes the last band called for. Nor as bonkers as things inevitably get with the KPA.
I'm in the same boat with my KPA, great studio tool, but its well known my view of the KPA user interface, ( which also is at odds with most KPA users)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0)
(http://sixstringsamurai.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_2479.jpg)
Quote. . . KPA User interface for me is rather bad, nothing works as I expect, Screens changing color and dimming dark or turning off right at the very moment I'm trying to Edit a patch at a gig is NOT productive to me ... the KPA LCD Display going completely dark and dim during Stompbox FX setup and the placing the important unlit small "TYPE" knob (on the Left of the LCD) with its tiny 1/8" high black text on a dark green background (and on the LEFT) requires awkward wrenching of my right hand "palm up" just to read the LCD for FX Type navigation and selection. And being right handed - when I reach for the "TYPE knob - my right hand ( because I'm typically holding a guitar chord with my left hand while editing) entirely blocks the KPA LCD, so I cant read what I'm doing. Its simply a bad user interface design decision IMHO -
My KPA Experience has never matched what I see others accomplish with theirs - its always been a moving target of firmware updates of what controls actually work and what controls are disabled and "Work in Progress"
..
Win/Mac GUI Editor apps have spoiled me and at my age become a necessity - particularly with a high $$$ cost MFX unit.
And I need to haul more gear with my KPA if I want to work on music at a remote location (most weekends) - an Audio Interface, a FCB-1010 with UNO4KEMPER ( which no longer works since the last KPA 3.0 firmware update) I feel like I paid nearly $2K to be a perpetual beta tester
I may sell my KPA and order the Fractal AX8, if its priced under $2K
(http://www.fractalaudio.com/tmp/AX8.jpg)
Quote"Work in Progress"
That pretty well sums it up. And the Remote has "work in progress" written all over it, too. It's nice working with a company that is open to revisions and improvements on a regular basis, but you have to start with a solid baseline (and thereafter "do no harm".) I'd be a lot more tolerant if these weren't both premium products with price tags to match. I start to wonder, instead of continuing to bang my head against the wall, how much fun might I have with $1500 "mad money" to start trying new products from other vendors? Is all of this worth bragging rights for having "the best" tones? And does that even mean anything now that I've resorted to a 1x12 cab to make things feel right in a live mix anyway?
Blowing off a little steam here. If I can get a controller working to my satisfaction without burning through any more $$$, I might pull yet another 180, but as Bob & Jimi say, "the hour's getting late."
Aside: while we're counting all of the odd little UI decisions, why is the ON/OFF button so far away from anything it ever turns on or off? 2+ years and I still get kind of disoriented trying to find it.
I have the Remote and even though I love the plug and play ease of programming, I think it's a bit overpriced as well. I don't use a looper on stage and had to put a plastic sleeve over the button to keep from accidently activating it. I had to do the same thing with my GR55 first 3 useless buttons as I don't use its tuner or looper either. I'm giving myself another week to see If I want to keep the Remote or return or put it up for sale ???
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on April 22, 2015, 10:32:04 AM
I have the Remote and even though I love the plug and play ease of programming, I think it's a bit overpriced as well. I don't use a looper on stage and had to put a plastic sleeve over the button to keep from accidently activating it. I had to do the same thing with my GR55 first 3 useless buttons as I don't use its tuner or looper either. I'm giving myself another week to see If I want to keep the Remote or return or put it up for sale ???
Ease of programming is what really attracted me to the Remote in the first place. I do have to give Kemper credit for the design in terms of easily mapping buttons to multiple stomps/FX on the fly; that is really cool stuff. And I like having a looper handy for practice, so that was a plus for me. (Ironically, after all the fuss, that's one thing I have no trouble implementing with other controllers.) I was leaning pretty heavily toward just buying the thing and being done. But oh the price, and oh the waiting, and oh Kemper not bothering to tell us why some of them don't work (nor admitting that they have no idea.) I'm just done throwing money at the problem. And I'm even more done staring at MIDI mapping utilities while an un-played guitar slowly bends my spine out of whack.
Re: GR-55's first 3 buttons, I've written more than my share about what a waste of space they are. The GR-55 would have been perfect in a chassis the size of the GP-10's.
When folks get hung up in the past, sometimes myself included, on real tubes being the "be all, end all" for guitar, it seems so limiting, as opposed to what can be done with modelling, including COSM, or Kemper. Here is a video interview with Allan Holdsworth, and at the 3 minute mark he speaks of his opinion of tubes vs solid state.
http://youtu.be/jR29l6fSTNk (http://youtu.be/jR29l6fSTNk)
Allan Holdsworth is wonderful. He makes the point that he's heard plenty of bad-sounding tube amps, and I've said the same thing over the years. It's funny how people go right for this tube vs. SS variable, as if it were the only variable. Never mind how silly it is to assume all SS amps sound bad; it's even sillier to imply that all tube amps sound good.
Personally, I think we're already past the point where tube vs. modeling is relevant. There are a couple of products - the KPA chief among them - that really nail tube tone/ behavior. However, speaker behavior - "where the rubber hits the road", so to speak - is still a big challenge. If you want your rig to sound/ feel like a familiar guitar cab, you either need that same cab, or you need exceptional cab simulation and an exceptional monitoring solution. That's where attention should be focused IMO. This whole tubes vs. transistors thing is just inertia.
100% agree with Allan Holdsworth
and at 4:00 minutes he talks about the important of the rectifier tube
When I use my Fenders - I prefer my Deluxe or Vibrolux - because these have the essential Rectifier tube that gives me the "squish" compression for better Tone feel
But I use 5Y3, 5AR4,or GZ34 - as needed
- not the $299 Eric Johnson "Tone Capsule
Back in 1981 I used to maintain Allan Holdsworth's amps when i worked at Valley Arts Guitar
I met Allan when he arrived with his Hartley-Thompson Solid State amp chassis that I repaired.
https://plus.google.com/+HartleyelectricmusicCoUk/posts (https://plus.google.com/+HartleyelectricmusicCoUk/posts)
http://www.hartleyelectricmusic.co.uk/reviews-and-views.html (http://www.hartleyelectricmusic.co.uk/reviews-and-views.html)
Quote"What kind of amps are you using now?
I had Marshalls all the way up through U.K. and with Bill Bruford. Since then, I've gotten two [Norlin] Lab Series amps and a British amp called a Hartley-Thompson. The trouble with the Marshalls was that they only gave a suitable sound for single-note solo stuff. They always distorted the chords; if I wanted to get a clean sound for chords, I had to push the amps too hard. I often ended up with a horrible square-wave, fuzzbox sound.
- and when he picked it up - his tone sounded just like the Tony Williams Lifetime "Believe It" LP - still one of my favorites.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mKU76Ll6L.jpg)
Go to 4:30 here
http://youtu.be/RW5pmgVuB5U (http://youtu.be/RW5pmgVuB5U)
Live
http://youtu.be/RJLqy3cMENo (http://youtu.be/RJLqy3cMENo)
Quotewonderful, unsubstantiated rumour about Eddie Van Halen using one of Allan Holdsworth's Hartley Thompson amps on Michael Jackons 'Beat It'
Using his battered red guitar and a hot-rodded Hartley Thompson amp borrowed from Allan Holdsworth, in under an hour he improvised a cavalcade of trademark finger tapping, whammy-bar dives, and legato touches for "Beat It." Afterward, Michael Jackson arrived and complimented Eddie's playing. Winking and nodding behind the door was Eddie's buddy Steve Lukather of Toto, who recorded the rhythm guitar and bass on the song. "I really like that high fast stuff you do!" Jackson squealed to Eddie. Embarrassed to ask for anything, Eddie shrugged, shook hands with producer Quincy Jones, and walked away from the session. "Maybe Michael will give me dance lessons someday," he told Musician afterward
QuoteHowever, speaker behavior - "where the rubber hits the road", so to speak - is still a big challenge. If you want your rig to sound/ feel like a familiar guitar cab, you either need that same cab, or you need exceptional cab simulation and an exceptional monitoring solution. That's where attention should be focused IMO.
In the fall of 1979, my band was an opening act for UK, with Holdsworth, for one concert. We had a very nice conversation,as he is such a nice, humble man. He came to me, wishing to buy my 4 x 12 Sound City SMF Tour Series cabinet, loaded with EV SRM 12s. Since I had no other speakers, nor money, I did turn down his request, but was flattered that he liked my sound (like I said, he is a very nice man), enough to want my speaker cabinet. It makes all the difference in the world, what speaker cab you are running through. I hope speaker modelling continues to improve, cause I am not about to haul around the real thing these days.
(http://www.soundcitysite.com/heavy_duty_4x12.jpg)
Quote from: Elantric on April 22, 2015, 09:33:54 AM
I'm in the same boat with my KPA, great studio tool, but its well known my view of the KPA user interface, ( which also is at odds with most KPA users)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0)
(http://sixstringsamurai.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/IMG_2479.jpg)
Win/Mac GUI Editor apps have spoiled me and at my age become a necessity - particularly with a high $$$ cost MFX unit.
And I need to haul more gear with my KPA if I want to work on music at a remote location (most weekends) - an Audio Interface, a FCB-1010 with UNO4KEMPER ( which no longer works since the last KPA 3.0 firmware update) I feel like I paid nearly $2K to be a perpetual beta tester
I may sell my KPA and order the Fractal AX8, if its priced under $2K
I'm not married to the KPA, and certainly would not be opposed to something else, but I have found nothing that comes close to it for my needs.
I'm with you on the need for a GUI editor, I believe I'm older then you and my eyes suck even with glasses.
I pretty much only play live with a couple of bands, but I find I take less to the gig with my KPA and GR55 setup. I do only monitor in MONO so only 1 fullrange cab and into FOH
Aside: while we're counting all of the odd little UI decisions, why is the ON/OFF button so far away from anything it ever turns on or off? 2+ years and I still get kind of disoriented trying to find it
What on/off button?
Re: GR-55's first 3 buttons, I've written more than my share about what a waste of space they are. The GR-55 would have been perfect in a chassis the size of the GP-10's.
I certainly can't dissagrre with you here
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on April 22, 2015, 12:02:26 PM
Aside: while we're counting all of the odd little UI decisions, why is the ON/OFF button so far away from anything it ever turns on or off? 2+ years and I still get kind of disoriented trying to find it
What on/off button?
Pretty sure you're joking :) but just in case...
LOL ;D
Quote from: thebrushwithin on April 22, 2015, 11:36:33 AM
In the fall of 1979, my band was an opening act for UK, with Holdsworth, for one concert. We had a very nice conversation,as he is such a nice, humble man...
Cool story - and impressive gig! I had an opportunity to talk briefly with AH before a show in the late 80's, and yeah, he is a very gentle giant.
P.S. Cool cab!
P.P.S. And another cool AH story:
QuoteBack in 1981 I used to maintain Allan Holdsworth's amps when i worked at Valley Arts Guitar
I met Allan when he arrived with his Hartley-Thompson Solid State amp chassis that I repaired.
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on April 22, 2015, 12:11:52 PM
LOL ;D
Funny thing is, depending on whether you use direct edit mode or not, it is possible to go months without using that button (thusly forgetting where the hell it is) or even to never use it at all. So I honestly wasn't sure whether you were joking. :D
QuoteFunny thing is, depending on whether you use direct edit mode or not, it is possible to go months without using that button
Ive never touched that button - it never worked in early Firmware
With the Kemper its best to ask a Newbie - because early adopters (like me) must "unlearn" the older early 2012 operating procedure of the earlier firmware-which are all now obsolete. I barely understand "Performance Mode" as that never worked for me during my first 18 months of KPA ownership.
QuoteI barely understand "Performance Mode" as that never worked for me during my first 18 months of KPA ownership.
I find it a little difficult to understand even after hacking around with it for a while, mainly because the names attributed to each slot don't update until you've pressed Store three times to save a given performance (and I'd swear sometimes they don't update even then.) I don't understand why they're not updated every time you load in a rig. Again, it's probably just me - same fish out of water feeling I get trying to drive MacOS. :)
Would almost be worth considering filming Bill Ruppert or Gundy Keller navigating the KPA and editing patches (With the latest 3.0 Firmware)
-rack it up to another operating expense of KPA ownership ;)
Yet I can navigate my GSP-2101 - and that typically throws most folks off
http://youtu.be/xIqYxW-6a-U (http://youtu.be/xIqYxW-6a-U)
I didn't start using performance mode until I got the Remote. It's easy to use, but still a little confusing.
This is another place where a good programmer would come in very handy.
While I don't like Navigating the interface on the KPR ,I hate the GR55 interface . If it wasn't for GUMTOWN's Programmer I probably would have givin up
QuoteIf it wasn't for GUMTOWN's Programmer I probably would have givin up
Same here!
http://youtu.be/NCguRcsBlIw (http://youtu.be/NCguRcsBlIw)
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on April 22, 2015, 02:49:17 PM
While I don't like Navigating the interface on the KPR ,I hate the GR55 interface . If it wasn't for GUMTOWN's Programmer I probably would have givin up
Now there is a good dose of perspective to start my day! :) You're absolutely right, and I didn't mean to go off on a tangent about the KPA's UI. The fact is in most regards I think it's very good. I've often said as much: amp-like tone stack and gain knobs, dedicated effects buttons, etc. For the most part it's all there, if a little quirky. I just wish Kemper would be a more open-minded about I/O, be it audio routing or MIDI configuration, so that users could bend the rules to better suit other gear. Christoph Kemper has a commendable vision of keeping things streamlined, typical-guitarist-friendly, but the downside is an occasional whiff of "my way or the highway". And sometimes least common denominator just doesn't cut it.
As for the GR-55, I hated that GUI enough to spend several months of my own life designing a different one. :o
QuoteIf I were to make decisions looking at my music income vs. expenditures and the amount by which improving my tone increases my pay, basically any new gear would be a losing proposition for me, and not sensible. :)
Exactly my thoughts, and why I am seriously considering selling my KPA. Especially at small venue appropriate volumes, the difference in quality is barely discernable, if at all.
QuoteExactly my thoughts, and why I am seriously considering selling my KPA. Especially at small venue appropriate volumes, the difference in quality is barely discernable, if at all.
I'd love to get my hands on a KPA or AxeFX and put it through its paces, and have tried to justify that purchase to myself a few times.
End of last month, my band got to be the entertainment for a casino. Huge room. I'd guess a couple thousand in attendance. I think that's the largest show I've played, and probably as large a show as I could reasonably expect to play as a weekend warrior. It was a great opportunity. We got a lot of compliments on our sound, and are invited back to play again.
My rig that night was a Boss GP-10 direct to PA and monitored through IEMs. It held its own and gave me all the great tone and control that I needed. There goes my "case" for a higher end processor, as I'm now having trouble imagining the venue I'd need it for. :)
QuoteMy rig that night was a Boss GP-10 direct to PA and monitored through IEMs. It held its own and gave me all the great tone and control that I needed. There goes my "case" for a higher end processor, as I'm now having trouble imagining the venue I'd need it for.
I have parallel "Live gig" stories of my GP-10 - I have already used the GP-10 at more live gigs than any prior Roland /Boss COSM device. the Boss GP-10's small stage footprint matters for many of my live gigs. I think GP-10 is an incredible value with great tone right out of the box. My current issue, is the local Producer / Recording engineer snobs at local pro studios freak out when I set up my Roland/Boss gear for a recording in a pro studio - they still prefer I bring my 64 Fender Vibrolux Reverb combo and my Bogner head and stomp boxes ( something they can comprehend and understand) - despite the fact my GP-10 delivers better tone. They loved the KPA tone, but at this hour I own many options that deliver that tone at a far lower price point.
QuoteEnd of last month, my band got to be the entertainment for a casino. Huge room. I'd guess a couple thousand in attendance. I think that's the largest show I've played, and probably as large a show as I could reasonably expect to play as a weekend warrior. It was a great opportunity. We got a lot of compliments on our sound, and are invited back to play again.
Congrats on the show!
For me the KPA was a real stretch - there's no way the small gigs I was playing at the time could have justified the expense, and right now I'm not gigging at all. I made the purchase out of curiosity more than anything. The craziest part is I've never actually gigged the KPA because I've never found a practical combination of gear that I was comfortable bringing on stage... and that still hasn't changed.
You really have to be careful what you buy. I imagine the KPA is wonderful for professional musicians who go live with extensive rigs every night, and it's a perfect fit in the studio. (Alas I don't have any ambitious recording projects underway either.) But for a guy like me, who just wants convincing tones in a hurry, it's been a bit of a burden. For one thing, knowing that I own such a high end pre-amp means I agonize over trying to get the most out of it, with different monitors, cabinets, profiles, and on and on, until it feels more like work than fun. Again, I imagine this is different for a professional player who might (sometimes) have more time available to stay on top of these things.
The most vexing part of KPA ownership has always been, and remains, effectively controlling the thing. MIDI implementation isn't great IMO, and it seems like the only good solution is Kemper's own $600 Remote. (Even if you have that money to burn, try getting ahold of one.) So here I am again: do I double down or do I sell?
What are you trying to control on the KPA , that you heve not been able to do? ???
QuoteMark, have you tried plugging the BIAS FX effects into your Kemper?
Not yet, but that's on the to do list for sure. That and just running Bias FX into the effects return of my little Mesa combo. It's a 1x10" so there are limitations, but otherwise it should be a pretty versatile grab and go setup.
QuoteWhat are you trying to control on the KPA , that you heve not been able to do?
The main issue is being able to turn effects on and off irrespective of the state in which they are saved in a given rig. Described best here: http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20039-Toggle-in-addition-to-0-off-1-on-values-for-Stomp-CC-s-etc/?s=760f0ab9e8dd609cce557184f724a32a0991391f (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20039-Toggle-in-addition-to-0-off-1-on-values-for-Stomp-CC-s-etc/?s=760f0ab9e8dd609cce557184f724a32a0991391f)
That is strange I have never had an issue with effect states not saving? Was that in browse mode or performance?
I was using browse mode exclusively with a KMI Softstep and also unrealbook from my iPad and all rigs recalled as saved. Started using performance mode when I got the remote and though a little trickier to understand at first, because I thought when you assigned a rig it was assigned as you saved a previous performance, but instead it uses the saved rig from the browse side. Once I got my head around that I just make sure I save the performance at every step as I am editing.
I only got the remote for real time indication of stomps and for less cabling.
My two cents
Dave
The main issue is being able to turn effects on and off irrespective of the state in which they are saved in a given rig.
My question then is why not save all the effects, you want to switch on/off, to off in the rigs you are using. Then you can just turn on the ones you want.
Or? do do you say want to have (axample) a phaser on and switchrigs and have the phaser still on and unaffected by the rig change?
Quote from: Tonemasterus on May 05, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
That is strange I have never had an issue with effect states not saving? Was that in browse mode or performance?
I was using browse mode exclusively with a KMI Softstep and also unrealbook from my iPad and all rigs recalled as saved. Started using performance mode when I got the remote and though a little trickier to understand at first, because I thought when you assigned a rig it was assigned as you saved a previous performance, but instead it uses the saved rig from the browse side. Once I got my head around that I just make sure I save the performance at every step as I am editing.
I only got the remote for real time indication of stomps and for less cabling.
My two cents
Dave
This has been my experience as well.
QuoteThat is strange I have never had an issue with effect states not saving? Was that in browse mode or performance?
Neither - the problem isn't with effects states not saving, it's with the KPA having no means of sending a "toggle" CC value to change an effects on/off state without your footcontroller somehow "knowing" what state that is.
QuoteMy question then is why not save all the effects, you want to switch on/off, to off in the rigs you are using. Then you can just turn on the ones you want.
That's exactly what I've resorted to doing, but it's a serious compromise. If you want to change rigs and enable a few effects between songs, it's a distracting tap dance (made worse because the lights/LED's on your floorboard will be meaningless after a few rig changes.) If you want to do both
during a song... it's practically impossible. This is a $2000 preamp; I think it's absurd that I'm still wrestling with a problem this fundamental. No other modeler or app has ever fought with me this hard re: simply turning an effect on and off. But it appears to be just me and maybe 2 other guys who care, so maybe I'm just crazy...
QuoteThe main issue is being able to turn effects on and off irrespective of the state in which they are saved in a given rig. Described best here: http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20039-Toggle-in-addition-to-0-off-1-on-values-for-Stomp-CC-s-etc/?s=760f0ab9e8dd609cce557184f724a32a0991391f (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20039-Toggle-in-addition-to-0-off-1-on-values-for-Stomp-CC-s-etc/?s=760f0ab9e8dd609cce557184f724a32a0991391f)
My midi is done on a stock FCB1010, and all I do on the KPA is save entire rigs, with the effects I will use. If there is an effect I want off, but keep everything else the same, I simply "save as" give it a "2" or something added to the name, and assign an adjacent patch # to it. Keeps it nice and simple for me.
Sorry, for your dilemna, I guess I've never really used my KPA that way. And with the FCB1010/ w stock UNO chip , I could match the led states to those on the Kemper.
I play in 2 very different cover bands and so far the only song that gave me a little tap dance issue was Sober by Tool. Sorry I can't seem to be more help.
For me the KPA hasn't been as much of an issue as the Eleven Rack or Pod HD500 I had for a short time. ANd not as bad as the Egnater IE4 preamp I used for years with a rack effect and some floor stomps and the GR33 or GR55 and a special mute switcher for the preamp.
QuoteMy midi is done on a stock FCB1010, and all I do on the KPA is save entire rigs, with the effects I will use. If there is an effect I want off, but keep everything else the same, I simply "save as" give it a "2" or something added to the name, and assign an adjacent patch # to it. Keeps it nice and simple for me.
Yeah, this is definitely the simplest approach, and the one that Performance Mode seems to be designed around. It's also an approach I'm familiar with (and at one time even preferred) from my Flextone + FBV days. But it can be a little hamfisted - it's a lot of extra rigs for even the smallest of differences, for one thing. And I sometimes like to engage/disengage effects - especially delay - right in the middle of passages to emphasize a particular phrase or whatever. I've found that rig changes even between otherwise identical rigs do not sound as smooth as simply turning the effect on and off.
QuoteSorry, for your dilemna, I guess I've never really used my KPA that way. And with the FCB1010/ w stock UNO chip , I could match the led states to those on the Kemper.
Oh no need to apologize! And I acknowledge that there
are solutions, e.g. an FCB with suitable chip, and two-way MIDI communications. They just don't happen to be solutions that I personally want. I stand by the observation that the KPA's MIDI implementation is not very robust, i.e. TOO streamlined. Imagine the exact same product: same tones, essentially the same processing power, etc. but with a proper MIDI Assigns implementation a la even the cheapest most ubiquitous Roland guitar processor. That would be something.
I'd like a floor Processor with KPA tone, dual DSPs that retain delay / reverb tails on seamless patch changes, GSP1101/Control 2 foot switch layout and 2nd press on patch footswitches returns to the most recent prior patch. And the MIDI Control Implementation of the VG-99.
And priced at $600 street.
I need to carve out time to experiment with placing my KPA in the FX loop of my GSP1101 and use a Control 2 to control it. I was hampered because Digitech XEdit2 GUI (for GSP1101) only runs on Windows. And now that I have my Acer R7, I can explore this more
(http://createdigitalmusic.com/files/2013/06/acer_r7_ezel-640x480.jpg)
Just a general suggestion. Try Parallels for running Windows applications on your Mac. It has worked great for me with most programs. The advantage is that you can run the Windows editor for your device at the same time as you run a DAW on your Mac.
My only experience with newer Roland guitar processors has been the GR55, and I find (imo) It sucks to be able tro control easily for guitar so for the most part I only use it for the synth and occasionally acoustic guitars. I just never got anywhere with the amp modeling
QuoteMy only experience with newer Roland guitar processors has been the GR55, and I find (imo) It suck
Thats so 2011 ;)
The GP-10 is much improved
GP-10 vs Kemper, who would have thought!!!!!https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13050.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13050.0)
GP-10 Exampleshttps://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=158.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=158.0)
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=151.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=151.0)
https://youtu.be/DdDHVeF7e-g
Published on Jul 6, 2015
Jake Willson, is a session player who spent a few days here with us at the AmpFactory Studios Profiling his V40 amp, and testing a few profiles we had already made previously. - He was SOLD on the Kemper format!. - Great guy, great player!. Look him up if you need a extra pair of killer chops!
Watched this a couple of days ago. Very cool player
Some KPA owners may have missed this
Kemper Profiler Editor built in Ctrlr
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1)
I want to start an Open Community Project for KPA editor via MIDI.
I think we could use ctrlr.org/ API .
The point is to create KPA Editor to control KPA with MIDI (CC,NRPN, SYSEX) for win, macos, linux in standalone and vst versions.
I've started programming with no graphics but it is no problem to add a nice and fancy GUI with CTRLR.
After an hour I have basic stack regulation done(via sysex) :)
You can just simply copy and paste next controllers and buttons - only you have to modify SYSEX message.
In attachment you will find a panel project for KPA.
So lets take this in our hands:)
Cheers!
Info Sectiom:
You have to download Ctrlr for your Os to open the project panel:
Windows 64 and 32
MacOs
Linux
Edit Section:
Big Thanks to Laurent from France (GuyTarero) who added a lot to this project:)
If anyone is interested : here is a panel to upload RIG KIPR file to KPA via MIDI:(yes it is possible:))
dropbox.com/s/b206dzdovtlrsu9/RigUploadToKpa.panel?dl=0
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2lrswfod2hc9qlr/KPA_actual.png?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/trx2iass8atsjcu/TagEditor.png?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l53geubm2qy2syd/KPA_Link%2BLock%2BRev%2BDly.png?raw=1)
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=12&s=dc4c453884e90cf209172be50c0e6971bd166e94 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=12&s=dc4c453884e90cf209172be50c0e6971bd166e94)
So can't wait to get home and give this a try ;D
Public Beta 3.1.0
7 hours ago+10
So, the lion is outta the cage now.
Isn't PureCab the bomb? THE BOMB?
And managing performances with RM? Even renaming slots?
Thank you for a GREAT UPDATE, Kemper dev team!! ;)
Here we go, from the manual addendum:
Pure Cabinet (or "how to cure a decades-old sound disease")
"Pure Cabinet" will gently polish the sound of the virtual cabinet to move it toward the sound that you would hear directly - in other words: the sound of the cabinet without the microphone. The fundamental character of the sound will still be maintained.
Patient History
For several decades now, guitar amps and cabinets have been captured by microphones - this is the only way to capture the natural sound of the amp and cab, and convert it into an electrical signal for further processing, recording, or for further amplification by a PA during a live concert.
With the advent of digital amps, every guitarist gained access to hundreds of different guitar amplifier and cabinet sounds, all mic'ed and faithfully digitized. Now, those sounds can be played easily through a PA, in a home studio, or via headphones.
Digital guitar amps and virtual cabinets are a true paradigm change; in earlier times, amps were mostly heard directly, with no microphones involved at all. Even experienced guitarists often let a mixing engineer position the microphone, and only really care about the residual sound. With digital amps, this engineering is done before the event of playing live or recording. It is widely recommended among guitarists to use a full-range speaker when playing a digital amp - this allows them to take advantage of the virtual cabinet, ensuring that they hear the exact same sound that the audience will hear.
Symptoms
As a manufacturer of digital guitar amps, we found ourselves in an interesting situation:
On the one hand, recording and live engineers had constantly praised us for faithfully capturing and recreating the sound and feel of the most precious tube amps and cabinets.
On the other, we were hearing frequent complaints from new users that had a hard time adjusting to the full-range sound of digital amps. They would often describe the sound using terms like: "harsh", "nasty", "phasey", "boxy, or even "digital". They said the sound was far from being the nice, smooth and balanced sound of the pure cabinet they were used to. In short, they were missing their "amp in the room" sound.
In internet forums, the experienced users would often comment: "You just need to get used to that sound. It is the sound that you have been listening to on every recording in your life. This is also the sound that your audience will hear, when you play live or on a recording.".
And the experts were absolutely right. We, too, had been saying the same thing over and over.
Some recommended using a guitar speaker with the digital amp, to get the "amp in the room" feel. We fully supported this setup, with our optional, built-in power amp, and the recently released feature of using Direct Amp Profiles. However, this did not cure the "disease" of the full-range sound.
Diagnosis
Eventually, we realized that this cannot go on forever. It feels very uncomfortable telling respectable users that their perception of the mic'ed amp sound is "wrong", no matter how widely used it might be.
Can so many guitarists be mistaken? Or, are they absolutely correct in their first impression, and the more digitally experienced players have simply become desensitized over time?
It's like telling them: "Get used to the pain! Look at me, I cannot even feel it anymore. I'm a professional".
There are many theories floating around which attempt to explain the secret behind the "amp in the room sound":
Firstly, any 4*12 cabinet has a better bass response, thus pushes more air, than a regular, full-range studio speaker. This can be matched simply by using a larger, full-range speaker.
Then, there are some who believe that a closely mic'ed speaker does not capture enough of the surrounding room, and thus sounds too dry. However, if you placed your full-range speaker in a room, and played that sound, we think you would perceive that room, just as you would if you had your original "amp in that room". So, this does not lead to a solution either.
So we further analyzed the problem. We mounted a full-range speaker into a cabinet, and a guitar speaker into a second, identical cabinet to compare the sound under equal conditions.
The difference was immediately apparent: harsh, nasty sound components in the high-frequency range of the full-range speaker, playing the virtual cabinet/microphone, but no such nastiness from the guitar cabinet, when playing the amp sound with the virtual cabinet bypassed. This harshness was more or less apparent depending on which amp and virtual cabinet we selected. It disappeared on clean guitar sounds, since it is only distortion that stimulates those harsh frequencies.
It is very difficult to equalize the nasty elements of the mic'ed cabinets without significantly changing the character of the sound. Attenuating the frequencies in question will make the sound too dull, and it still won't sound like a pure cabinet.
Certainly, there are ways to control this harshness to a certain degree: Good positioning of the microphones, and mixing two or three microphones to average this effect, can lead to pleasant results. You can also use narrow-band equalizing to filter the nasty frequencies and fit the sound in the mix. However, this is more like treating the symptoms than curing the disease itself. Finding the right balance between the desired character and color, while avoiding nasty elements in the sound, is both difficult and time-consuming.
Once the guitar is fully embedded in the mix, the disturbing frequencies will likely be masked by other instruments, hence you would not usually notice them in a final mix of a professional recording.
Medicine: Pure Cabinet
For the Kemper Profiler, we have developed a completely new method of recalculating the sound of a virtual cabinet. We call it Pure Cabinet. The technique is Patent Applied For.
When activated, the harsh frequencies are identified and modified in such a way, that the "phasey" sound turns into a smooth, balanced sound similar to a pure amp in the room. At the same time, the main character and frequency response is maintained, so no further tweaks are necessary.
As a proof of concept we have let a number of these "desensitized" professional players and producers test the new Pure Cabinet feature in several situations. Their first reaction was along the lines of: "That pain that I got used to over the years, is now gone. It's a huge relief." They did not want to deactivate Pure Cabinet in any situation - there was simply no reason to switch it off again. So, much to our surprise, they did not miss the original mic'ed sound for a second. Not one of them looked back.
All applications that use the mic'ed sound (virtual cabinet) of the Profiler can benefit from Pure Cabinet: recordings, live venues, full-range monitors, in-ear monitors, or just noodling with headphones on.
The full-range sound, treated by Pure Cabinet, can be further processed with smooth equalizers. Without those nasty frequencies in the way, it will fit easily into the mix.
Medicine Prescription
Pure Cabinet is a global setting that affects all Rigs. It naturally adapts to the individual sound of each Rig - the more unbalanced the original Rig, the more impact it will have. With fully clean amp sounds, Pure Cabinet isn't noticeable.
Pure Cabinet uses a switch to engage it and a continuous control to set the intensity of the effect. That's all! By switching on and off you can directly compare the impact of the effect versus the unprocessed cabinet sound.
The Intensity parameter allows you to control the degree of processing. If you are more into crunchy, blues sounds, you might prefer higher values of Pure Cabinet, creating a more open sound and bringing the character even more towards an amp in the room. If you are into hard rock or metal, you might prefer lower values, to emphasize the "microphone character", while still dampening the "phaseyness" of the sound.
Pure Cabinet is processed on the fly, thus the data of the Rigs are not affected by Pure Cabinet. The original sound of each Rig remains unchanged, and Pure Cabinet can be deactivated and reactivated at any point in time.
Aftermath
So, if the professionals aren't looking back since discovering Pure Cabinet, what exactly is it that they leaving behind?
It is the sound of mic'ed guitar amps, heard on billions of recordings and concerts over several decades. The artifacts described above just had to be accepted - there is no way to cure them with traditional techniques. Only digital guitar amplifiers can handle such complex processing as Pure Cabinet requires. It simply sounds better and, surprisingly, more analog and real.
Now, do Profiles of tube amps sound better on the Profiler with Pure Cabinet? Simply, yes! Can the sound of tube amps be improved by profiling these? Yes! When profiled, it sounds absolutely authentic. With Pure Cabinet
http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/id/27/cat/30/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html (http://www.kemper-amps.com/page/render/lang/en/p/221/id/27/cat/30/do/Kemper_Profiling_Amplifier___Downloads.html)
7, 2015
Profiler Operating System 3.1.0.11311
Rig Manager 1.5.x required!
Performances created under this operating system are not downward compatible with for example
3.0.2 operating system! Modifications will get lost!
Global functional assignments to pedals and external switches connected to Remote get lost during
upgrade and need to be redone. All pedals and switches connected to either Remote or Profiler need
to be calibrated before first usage.
This operating system introduces the following new features and fixes:
User Interface
added: support of mono and dual switches connected to Remote
added: enhancements of "Pedal" pages in System menu for pedals/switches connected to Profiler as
well as Remote
added: symbols on Play Pages indicate receiving MIDI commands as well as activation of bi-directional
MIDI-protocol
added: global option "Send MIDI Clock" on MIDI OUT (permanently) and on MIDI THRU (if used as
auxiliary MIDI OUT2)
added: RIG navigation cross buttons now also functional in list and edit screens
added: new Performance tags (Author and Comment) and parameters (Key and Tonality)
added: new page "Audio Setup" in System menu introducing new parameters to control FX loop level,
Rig cross-fading
added: new "Performance Load" options "Pending", "Slot 1", "Keep Slot" replacing "Performance
Autoload"
added: two new locking symbols on Remote display indicating locked stomps/effects standalone or in
combination with assigned Effect Buttons.
changed: parameter "Auto Favorite" by default off
changed: returned to former edit behavior: short hit of Module/Section buttons switching on/off.
added: new option "Quick Edit Page" for QUICK button returns to last Module/Section edit page and
enables convenient editing multiple Modules and Sections.
changed: Remote connects faster after Profiler start
changed: "Initialized Rig" renamed to "Crunch"
changed terminology: "operating system" instead of "firmware"
fixed: switching Delay on/off via Remote is not cutting off tail anymore
fixed: Looper position maintained during restart
fixed: Volume Link anomaly
fixed: multiple Performance Mode anomalies
fixed: Rig parameter "Panorama" not accidentally locked together with Tempo anymore
Release Notes
August 7, 2015
Audio
added: "Pure Cabinet" controlled via soft switch and button in Output menu
added: "Loop Level Adjust" to control FX loop level in System menu
added: "Rig X-Fade Time" parameter in System menu
added: "High Cut" and "Low Cut" parameters in Graphics/Studio/Metal EQ
fixed: crackles during Rig change
Factory Content*
added: 2 new stomp presets for univibe and talkbox demonstration "PHA Uni Trower" and "WVOW
Frampton" also available as separate Preset Pack.
* All Factory Rigs and Presets embedded in this operating system can be imported via function "Factory Rigs" in
System menu. If you prefer to import Rigs selectively, please pick and choose from our Factory Rig Packs available
on our download-page.
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Factory Content 3.1 (August 2015)
Firmware 3.1 does include 337 Factory Rigs. If you push "Factory Rigs" in the System menu each Rig and Preset currently not residing in the Browse Pool of your Profiler will be imported in one run.
If you prefer to import Rigs and Presets selectively, please download this archive. You can unzip the archive on your MAC or PC, copy Rigs into the folder "Shared" of your USB-stick individually, and then import this subset into your Profiler.
Be aware, that all Rigs included have been stored under firmware 3.x and are therefor not downward compatible! Your Profiler needs to run at least 3.0.2 firmware before you import these Rigs.
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Talkbox and Univibe Demonstration Presets (August 2015)
These two Stomp Presets are included in operating system 3.1. But if you prefer to import these selectively, please download this zip file, unzip and import two Presets via USB stick. New Presets will appear on the list if you browse Stomp Presets.
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Elantric, You beat me to it. I was just gonna share this info ;D
Looks like lots of good stuff here
I read this:
Quote Rig_Manager_1.5.11_readme.txt
07/Aug/2015
Public Beta
Fixes, refinements and enhancements:
- Performance management and editing
-
and got excited
Then I loaded the new KPA Rig Manager "Editor"
Its more of a KPA Patch Librarian ( not a full GUI Editor) - and not every KPA "patch *kipr file reveals its traits.
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/2182015/1438982603_338410456_KPA_RM1A.jpg)
Ive learned with the KPA - not to get my hopes up
Seems the only fields I can "Edit" in this "new" KPA Rig Manager "Inspector" are
* Instrument Selection: "Guitar" or "Bass"
* "Favorite" Selection (on /off ,and how many stars I rate the patch)
(I was hoping for something like this)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/1982014/1405673934_2119499758_ScreenShot20140718at1.19.43AM.png)
I agree I saw that and thought the same. I sure wish they would give us what have been asked for many,many times ???
Damn! I just wish I didn't love the sound and feel so much
QuoteDamn! I just wish I didn't love the sound and feel so much
Agreed - At the end of the day, Sound, tone and feel is all that matters and the KPA has that covered very well!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/22226-More-hidden-functionality-behind-the-KPAs-built-in-webserver/?postID=242929#post242929 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/22226-More-hidden-functionality-behind-the-KPAs-built-in-webserver/?postID=242929#post242929)
More hidden functionality behind the KPAs built-in webserver?
Jun 22nd 2015+8
Firmware 3.0.2 has a "web-panel" that is served up on requests to its built in webserver (plug your home network with a working DHCP-server into the KPAs network port to try it out). A request for "http://[kpa-ip-addr]/" gets redirected to a panel that show what an attached KFC would look like (display and LEDs). Stomps toggled on/off and rig-changes are immediately reflected by the browser-panel. Something similar that would reflect a combination of the KFCs displays in browse-mode and performance-mode, but without the footswitch-bits, would be very useful to serve up for example on a mic-stand-mounted smartphone for someone like me who don't have a KFC. In performance mode with the FCB1010 and a large number of performances and slots in use I sometimes forget where a stomp is placed in a rig. Turning to look at the KPA is a hassle, and it won't help either as the perf-mode display says nothing about how the stomps are organised. I first wrote this a feature request, but maybe there are other gems already hidden in the KPA's firmware?
Does anyone know if there is something else useful hidden behind the KPAs webserver?QuoteSo they are working on an Editor.......... :thumbsup:
DrBill wrote>
Maybe not an editor, but something. Note that you wouldn't be able to use this and the remote together, Maybe with an ethernet switch and a POE adapter for the remote? -- how does the setup with multiple KFCs wire up? Since you can supposedly do that, you could use this as another remote (so someone else could control your rig for you).
There's still a major Rig Manager update coming (remember CK was using a pre-release version at the trade shows that allows performance management), at the least. How all of this is going to integrate with the KFC, etc. is not a trivial matter. I'm sure CK has a vision for how this should work out and I guess we all have to wait for it.Not working anymore in 3.1 beta.. :(
"Seems the only fields I can "Edit" in this "new" KPA Rig Manager "Inspector" are
* Instrument Selection: "Guitar" or "Bass"
* "Favorite" Selection (on /off ,and how many stars I rate the patch)
In the "Inspector View", you can doubleclick on a field entry, and change any of the fields except for "Amp Author" and "Cabinet Author".
Quote
In the "Inspector View", you can doubleclick on a field entry, and change any of the fields except for "Amp Author" and "Cabinet Author".
You mean this KPA Rig Manager Inspector View?
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/2212015/1439173540_1728168556_KPA_Inspecter.PNG)
But its missing bulk of the KPA Amp and FX parameters I want to edit per patch - ( Tremolo depth, Reverb depth, etc)
Reviewing whats on offer with the present KPA Rig Manager Inspector above, I'm surprised it lacks entry of GPS co-ordinates of where the KIPR patch was created , and the patch author's date of birth.
Looking for more progress on this far more useful third party solution below:
Kemper Profiler Editor built in Ctrlrhttp://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/19728-KPAEditor-Community-Project-vst-standalone-win-mac-linux-based-on-http-ctrlr-org/?pageNo=1&s=b0af7e44c65e6c215114c34da71131f84ead21a1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2lrswfod2hc9qlr/KPA_actual.png?raw=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/l53geubm2qy2syd/KPA_Link%2BLock%2BRev%2BDly.png?raw=1)
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More details from Kemper regarding about new Rig Manager 1.5
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23893-Rig-Manager-1-5-x-required/?pageNo=1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23893-Rig-Manager-1-5-x-required/?pageNo=1)
Quote from: Elantric on August 09, 2015, 07:29:14 PM
You mean this KPA Rig Manager Inspector View?
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/2212015/1439173540_1728168556_KPA_Inspecter.PNG)
But its missing bulk of the KPA Amp and FX parameters I want to edit per patch - ( Tremolo depth, Reverb depth, etc)
Reviewing whats on offer with the present KPA Rig Manager Inspector above, I'm surprised it lacks entry of GPS co-ordinates of where the KIPR patch was created , and the patch author's date of birth.
Yes, that is the Inspector View. Hmmm....If they added active GPS to the KPA, you put realtime band location on your Facebook page:)
Quote from: paults on August 10, 2015, 03:28:30 AM
Yes, that is the Inspector View. Hmmm....If they added active GPS to the KPA, you put realtime band location on your Facebook page:)
Yes! But you still couldn't easily edit lots of parameters, but your gig might have a full house
"You can now connect USB KEYBOARD to the KPA And enter name of the rig when saving profile"
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23894-Public-Beta-3-1-0/?postID=243347#post243347 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23894-Public-Beta-3-1-0/?postID=243347#post243347)
Quote from: drbill on August 10, 2015, 11:29:58 AM
"You can now connect USB KEYBOARD to the KPA And enter name of the rig when saving profile"
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23894-Public-Beta-3-1-0/?postID=243347#post243347 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23894-Public-Beta-3-1-0/?postID=243347#post243347)
That is really cool!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23892-3-1-0-Public-Beta-withdrawn/?postID=242722#post242722 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23892-3-1-0-Public-Beta-withdrawn/?postID=242722#post242722)
QuoteSome users have reported upgrade issues, which we need to analyse. We received customer data. In the meantime we have withdrawn 3.1.0.11311 Public Beta and consequently Rig Manager 1.5.
If your upgrade got stuck and you cannot start Profiler, please do the following:
Download 3.0.2 Release, unzip and copy KAOS.BIN into root directory of your USB stick, which is the highest hierarchical level. Plug USB stick into Profiler. Push and hold two buttons <PAGE> and power on Profiler. A message "booting & burning" will appear. Profiler will start with os on the stick and immediatly install that revsion. Stay on 3.0.2 Release until further notice.
Sorry for the inconvenience!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23910-3-1-1-Public-Beta-on-air/?postID=243069#post243069 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23910-3-1-1-Public-Beta-on-air/?postID=243069#post243069)
3.1.1 Public Beta fixes the upgrade issue! So people who are interested to test Public Beta os should install this latest revision!
If you got stuck during the upgrade to 3.1.0 Public Beta, please do the following:
- download 3.1.1 Public Beta
- unzip
- copy KAOS:BIN into root directory of your USB stick (highest hierarchical level)
- plug USB stick into Profiler
- push and hold two <PAGE> buttons whiling powering on the unit
- "booting & burning" will start with 3.1.1 and install this revision
If you prefer to return to 3.0.2 Release, download that revision and follow the same process.
Quote- copy KAOS:BIN into root directory of your USB stick (highest hierarchical level)
On my KPA- anytime I want to perform an update - I MUST - copy KAOS.BIN file into root directory of the USB drive
It never works if I followed the prior KPA update printed instructions in the "How to Update your Kemper Profiler.pdf"
QuoteCopy the file into the "OS Update" folder on the pre-formatted USB stick using your Mac or PC
and once got into an argument with Kemper support over this.
Glad they are finally getting their documentation procedures to match the reality of their hardware.
Interesting. Every time I have done an update, I just copy the kaos bin into operating system folder on the usb drive and put into my Kemper while it's already on and haven't had any issues ???
Me too I just put it in the OS folder and connect and a dialog box comes up on KPA.
QuoteMe too I just put it in the OS folder and connect and a dialog box comes up on KPA.
I guess "our mileage varies"
Ive used all types of USB drives - the KAOS.BIN file is only recognized by my KPA when its located in one specific location - the root folder of the USB Drive
Quote from: Elantric on August 11, 2015, 12:56:07 PM
I guess "our mileage varies"
Ive used all types of USB drives - the KAOS.BIN file is only recognized by my KPA when its located in one specific location - the root folder of the USB Drive
I'm curious why. I've heard tell of this on the Kemper forum, but have never been affected by it.
I wonder why some are affected and some are not ???
Perhaps different KPA manufacturing production revisions ?
My KPA has always acted a bit different than what I read online - it took me a year before I could figure out how to read the dark LCD display to edit the Stomp FX
Kemper Dark LCD Stompbox Editing Fix
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/3402014/1417989524_1851006361_20141207_134538.jpg)
Bottom line - at least it sounds good - but my other rig below (PG BIAS FX) is catching up quick, and far more versatile
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(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/1882015/1436371905_1871262759_IMG_1864.JPG)
No wonder Tom Wendt, (the German Kemper Marketing man)
http://ictw.de/clients.html (http://ictw.de/clients.html)
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/82015/1420823541_1729251880_KPA_Foot2.PNG)
. . is also the German Positive Grid BIAS FX rep too
(http://www.snapagogo.com/uploads/source/2222015/1439325274_988288308_TomeWendt.PNG)
https://youtu.be/-Io2YSSm-Q0 (https://youtu.be/-Io2YSSm-Q0)
Don't know if you folks have heard or tried these profiles yet, but as a fan of the Bogner XTC, I must say these are fabulous profiles! http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23650-THE-BEST-BOGNER-XTC-and-PEAVEY-JSX-Profiles-IMHO-Extremely-dynamic-with-soft-sil/?pageNo=1 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/23650-THE-BEST-BOGNER-XTC-and-PEAVEY-JSX-Profiles-IMHO-Extremely-dynamic-with-soft-sil/?pageNo=1)
http://www.keithmcmillen.com/projects/softstep-scenes-kemper-profiling-amp/ (http://www.keithmcmillen.com/projects/softstep-scenes-kemper-profiling-amp/)
KMI SoftStep2 MIDI Control for Kemper Profiling Amp
by Burkhard Dinnies
October 30, 2013
A collection of four scenes for controlling the Kemper Profiling Amplifier with the SoftStep!
Features scenes for Browse mode, Performance mode, and Stomp and Effects sections. Import these scenes to your SoftStep scene library and you'll be up and running with minimal setup!
http://www.keithmcmillen.com/projects/softstep-scenes-kemper-profiling-amp/?dl=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.keithmcmillen.com%2Fprojects%2FSoftStep_Kemper_Presets.zip (http://www.keithmcmillen.com/projects/softstep-scenes-kemper-profiling-amp/?dl=https%3A%2F%2Ffiles.keithmcmillen.com%2Fprojects%2FSoftStep_Kemper_Presets.zip)
http://youtu.be/EwzFahsEAqs (http://youtu.be/EwzFahsEAqs)
In this video, we focus on the Keith McMillen SoftStep 2 and how it works with the Kemper Profiling Amp. We start with a demo & review, then I move on to setup and comparison to another popular controller.
Demo - 2:26
Review - 5:36
Set-up - 8:06
Comparison - 16:19
Nav. Pad settings:
http://s31.photobucket.com/user/silence2-38554/media/ScreenShot2014-07-16at85153AM_zpsd3eddb5e.png.html (http://s31.photobucket.com/user/silence2-38554/media/ScreenShot2014-07-16at85153AM_zpsd3eddb5e.png.html)
https://youtu.be/eSWX7_qOwgY
Using the POD HD500 as a midi controller for a Kemper Profiling Amplifier
http://youtu.be/cZgli5vZUTI (http://youtu.be/cZgli5vZUTI)
Here's a quick review of the new Kemper Remote showing what's inside and the basics of how it connects and works on the Kemper Amplifier. Not a lot to say about this 'remote' except it is exactly that... a remote pedal - rather than some midi controller etc. and indeed it has the features of a 'remote' and not really those of a decent midi controller like the Ground Control or Midi Raider to name just two.
The remote was put on sale in January 2015 and has flowed out more recently with the 'early birds' getting theirs from some time in March 2015 onwards. Costing 495 Euros it should be worth every penny... but is it?
https://youtu.be/ymyMzfjphxI (https://youtu.be/ymyMzfjphxI)
When Kemper said that they would not convert the unpowered rack preamplifier to a powered one that was a major blow to many users. I recently converted my unpowered Kemper rack to a 2 x 90w (per side) powered rack amplifier (I mistakenly said 290w per side - my apologies) and here I show you exactly how to do it. This can save a fortune of selling and buying a replacement Kemper amp just because there is no power amp inside. Amplifier from http://www.ritteramps.de (http://www.ritteramps.de)
This is a useful video even if you don't own a Kemper Amp - see how easy (or hard) it is to add a power amp to equipment.
Please note that if you are not qualified or have no idea of how to do this conversion then don't do it. I accept no liability whatsoever if you do.
Steve, Sorry I almost forgot to send you this Sysex file for FCB1010 for kemper. This is also has the basic PC setup for my GR55. Make sure when you save your patch the effects status in the editor matches the effects status (on/off) of your profile.
You'll have to down load the Ripwerx editor for FCB1010/UNO. I'm going to trey and include it, but am not sure if it will work from the attachment.
Please let me know if this works. I've never sent a file like this... Paul
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7w9amc2t9mag0kb/FCB%201010%20Editor%20-%20Shortcut.lnk?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7w9amc2t9mag0kb/FCB%201010%20Editor%20-%20Shortcut.lnk?dl=0)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3ng4g1nx3cmtyn/FB1010%20KEMPER.syx%20-%20Shortcut.lnk?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/f3ng4g1nx3cmtyn/FB1010%20KEMPER.syx%20-%20Shortcut.lnk?dl=0)
Thanks!
In my shop I can only locate
* 1999 FCB-1010 1.02 ROM
*2003 UNO 1.8 ROM
* 2013 UNO4KEMPER ROM 1.0
* 2014 EUREKA ROM for FCB-1010
I ordered a new UNO ROM and a new Factory Behringer FCB-1010 2.5.1. ROM last week and they should arrive soon
I'm off work tomorrow and will check as to what UNO rom I have
Profiler Operating System 3.1.4.11421
Rig Manager 1.5.x required!
Performances created under this operating system are not downward compatible with for example
3.0.2 operating system! Modifications will get lost!
Global functional assignments to pedals and external switches connected to Remote get lost during
upgrade and need to be redone. All pedals and switches connected to either Remote or Profiler need
to be calibrated before first usage.
This operating system introduces the following new features and fixes:
User Interface
added: support of mono and dual switches connected to Remote
added: enhancements of "Pedal" pages in System menu for pedals/switches connected to Profiler as
well as Remote
added: symbols on Play Pages indicate receiving MIDI commands as well as activation of bi-directional
MIDI-protocol
added: global option "Send MIDI Clock" on MIDI OUT (permanently) and on MIDI THRU (if used as
auxiliary MIDI OUT2)
added: RIG navigation cross buttons now also functional in list and edit screens
added: new Performance tags (Author and Comment) and parameters (Key and Tonality)
added: new page "Audio Setup" in System menu introducing new parameters to control FX loop level,
Rig cross-fading
added: new "Performance Load" options "Pending", "Slot 1", "Keep Slot" replacing "Performance
Autoload"
added: two new locking symbols on Remote display indicating locked stomps/effects standalone or in
combination with assigned Effect Buttons.
changed: parameter "Auto Favorite" by default off
changed: returned to former edit behavior: short hit of Module/Section buttons switching on/off.
added: new option "Quick Edit Page" for QUICK button returns to last Module/Section edit page and
enables convenient editing multiple Modules and Sections.
changed: Remote connects faster after Profiler start
changed: "Initialized Rig" renamed to "Crunch"
changed terminology: "operating system" instead of "firmware"
fixed: switching Rigs via MIDI doesn't change Profiles
fixed: switching Delay on/off via Remote is not cutting off tail anymore
fixed: Looper position maintained during restart
fixed: Volume Link anomaly
fixed: multiple Performance Mode anomalies
fixed: Rig parameter "Panorama" not accidentally locked together with Tempo anymore
Release Notes
September 21, 2015
Audio
added: "Pure Cabinet" controlled via soft switch and button in Output menu
added: "Loop Level Adjust" to control FX loop level in System menu
added: "Rig X-Fade Time" parameter in System menu
added: "High Cut" and "Low Cut" parameters in Graphics/Studio/Metal EQ
fixed: crackles during Rig change
Remote
fixed: missing MAC address issue
Factory Content*
added: 2 new stomp presets for univibe and talkbox demonstration "PHA Uni Trower" and "WVOW
Frampton" also available as separate Preset Pack.
* All Factory Rigs and Presets embedded in this operating system can be imported via function "Factory Rigs" in
System menu. If you prefer to import Rigs selectively, please pick and choose from our Factory Rig Packs available
on our download-page.
Some good stuff in that update, judging by the brief descriptions in the release notes. Specifically curious about:
Quoteadded: enhancements of "Pedal" pages in System menu for pedals/switches connected to Profiler as
well as Remote
added: new page "Audio Setup" in System menu introducing new parameters to control FX loop level,
Rig cross-fading
added: symbols on Play Pages indicate receiving MIDI commands as well as activation of bi-directional
MIDI-protocol
Alas it all arrives a little too late for me.
QuoteAlas it all arrives a little too late for me.
my #1 gripe with Kemper - its user interface and I never get along, always felt like its been in R&D with a constantly changing control paradigm
Kemper Dark LCD Stompbox Editing Fixhttps://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13485.0)
and I'm left to feel like I'm a 3 year beta tester waiting for the final firmware code drop,and finally deliver the tools, the editor, the working MIDI control and all features I just assumed would already be in place by the same team that brought us the Access Virus) back in March 2012 when I bought it.
http://www.virus.info/home (http://www.virus.info/home)
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and Ive been waiting since April 2015 for a Kemper Remote that's always
"6 weeks away from the next production run" at $600 for a floor controller that can not control the rest of my rig.
I hope to compare all competition at this weekend's LA amp show , and meet Cliff Chase
Elantric, have you ordered a remote. It appears that delivery is down to just a few days now :)
I gig with mine 2-4 times a month and find it great on stage. I agree with you on the interface, but then I find most interfaces on Digital gear to be a little convoluted. But depending on the parameter it is fairly easy to adjust on stage
Quote from: Elantric on October 01, 2015, 12:27:38 PM
and I'm left to feel like I'm a 3 year beta tester waiting for the final firmware code drop,and finally deliver the tools, the editor, the working MIDI control and all features I just assumed would already be in place back in March 2012 when I bought it. and Ive been waiting since April 2015 for a Kemper Remote that's always "6 weeks away from the next production run" at $600 for a floor controller that can not control the rest of my rig.
I should sell it as it never fit my work flow - part of the reason I hope to compare all competition at this weekend's LA amp show , and meet Cliff Chase
I felt exactly the same way, and for that reason I did sell it. It was comforting to get back almost as much money as I put in, but there's no accounting for lost time. I only wish I'd sold it sooner. It's interesting to see certain features arriving now, having been basically ignored when I suggested them years ago.
But I honestly don't mean to put the Kemper down. Paul and so many others stand as living proof that it's a great product for certain applications. (Most applications, really. Sometimes I forget that I'm the outlier.) CK is finally coming around to adding the sort of complexity that this class of product typically demands, but I think if he had his druthers, the KPA would be a simple tone generator (which is what it does best) unburdened by the requirements of MIDI control, etc. If you take it for what it is, using it in the studio or building a live rig with other devices to account for its limitations.. well, we all know it
sounds amazing.
I would not sell mine to save my life!
Just so wonderful sounding.
I'm with you Bill ;D
I'm with both of you!
I love my technology, but nothing compares to the Kemper IMHO.
Anyone who is not 110% happy with it, have you tried Michael Britt's profiles?
Heaven.
Mine is not going anywhere either! Love the combo of 13 pin processors and KPA!
New profiles are neither here nor there; I already loved the way it sounded. My issues were more to do with functional limitations, e.g. limited MIDI, etc.
If I were playing more and/or had deeper pockets, I'd have kept mine, too. In certain environments (e.g. studio) it would be my first choice. But it was challenging in other applications, and I'm just not spending enough time with guitar or gear to warrant multiple rigs.
Believe me I understand why you guys love your KPAs so much. I wouldn't have worked at it for three years otherwise. :)
KPA Rigs by Mats Nermark
http://www.nermark.com/KPA_profiles.htm (http://www.nermark.com/KPA_profiles.htm)
VAblows wrote>
QuoteThe Michael Britt profile of this amp is my go to on my Kemper, so thick and dynamic.
But I only paid $50 for the whole pack of amps, so I guess I got a steal! lol
http://www.mbrittprofiles.com/ (http://www.mbrittprofiles.com/)
Press Information – for immediate release
Kemper Introduce Seamless ToneTravelling with the new Profiler OS 4.0
New morphing feature allows for breathtaking transitions between even the most extreme sounds.
Videos available:
Hear the morphing in action: https://youtu.be/LBmy2MzZpnE (https://youtu.be/LBmy2MzZpnE)
Morphing engaged with an expression pedal: https://youtu.be/r_sV-Z117UE (https://youtu.be/r_sV-Z117UE)
Morphing engaged with the Profiler Remote: https://youtu.be/6DSHI4uj2H4 (https://youtu.be/6DSHI4uj2H4)
Kemper GmbH/ Ruhr Area, Germany, January 21st, 2016 (ictw) – At NAMM 2016 in Hall A, booth #6100 Kemper demonstrates the new morphing feature which becomes available for all owners of the acclaimed Kemper Profiler in OS Version 4.0.
The Kemper Profiler Morphing is the most easy to set up on the market and makes it possible for guitar players to seamlessly morph between the even most extreme tonal settings. The setup of more than a dozen parameter morphs only takes a few seconds and doesn't require handling complicated lists or midi controllers. It is not even necessary to watch the display at all.
Either engaged automatically by just hitting a switch on the Profiler Remote or dynamically by using an expression pedal, all continuous parameters can be changed smoothly to take the tone from ultra dry clean rhythm to utmost distorted, FX soaked lead tones.
For breathtaking performances in the studio or live on stage morphing basically makes the typical "pedal board tap dance" a thing of the past. It doesn't matter if morphing is "just" utilized to add a "more" mode to a current rig or for drastic changes that take the tone from 50's classic tweed crunch to 2016 ultra boutique metal squeal - All this of course with control over the full arsenal of the Kemper Profiler's FX.
Rule them all
Morphing allows for addressing all the continuous parameters in the currently selected Rig like Gain, EQ, FX Levels, Amp parameters, Tone, Mix, Feedback, etc. The fact that the unique Preamp Definition Parameter of the current Rig is also supported by morphing means that the basic tonal character of the amp sound can be taken from vintage dark with raunchy distortion to ultra pre shaped boutique metal chunk.
Easy Set up
Operation is simple and absolutely unique especially in the "guitarist's world". If used with an expression pedal the guitarist only needs to assign the pedal to "morphing". Then he sets his basic parameters while the pedal is in the heel position. Then moving the pedal to the toe position the maximum parameters are ready to be set. That's it, as easy as it gets. Now the player can seamlessly adjust the tone from min to max within the pedal's range. All morph settings are stored per rig individually.
In use with the Kemper Profiler Remote.
The Profiler OS 4.0 unlocks now the second level for each Rig with the Kemper Remote. Once the parameters are set for the second level, the upper LED for each slot lights up. Now either by switching or holding the current Rig switch (momentary or latch mode supported) the sound is morphed from the basic setting to the upper level setting. Releasing the switch after holding it initially or hitting the switch again takes the sound back to its original state. The ramp up and fallback time from basic to max can be freely adjusted in the Rig menu individually for each Rig or synched to the current tempo in musical time signatures like 2 bars for ramp up and 1 bar for fallback for example.
The Kemper Profiler OS 4.0 will be available as a free download some time in February 2016
About The Profiler
The Kemper Profiling Amplifier represents a radical new approach to guitar sound. For decades, the electric guitarist has effectively been shackled to the tube amplifier as the only solution for getting "that sound". This combination may indeed be glorious, but it is far from ideal; achieving consistent results between practice, studio, and touring situations continues to challenge the guitarist, just as it has since the early 1930's. With the advent of the Kemper Profiling Amplifier, everything has changed. For the first time in history, guitar players are free to create the most unique and individual tones that reflect the very essence of the individual player, and then capture these exact sounds into the digital domain with Kemper's unique technology. www.kemper-amps.com (http://www.kemper-amps.com)
The new morphing feature is awesome. I've wanted something like that for years. I think there was a Zoom or a Digitech modeler with a similar feature many years ago, but I never heard it. I imagine the Kemper implementation is much better, given the way it models an entire circuit with coefficients that can be interpolated.
IMHO the Kemper Morphing feature is a direct response to the Patch X/Y function on Fractal Axe FX II /AX8 / FX-8
http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-fx8-multi-effects-pedalboard.php
Use Stompbox Mode on the FX8 for traditional effect "tap dance" switching, or leverage the eight SCENES in each preset to engage pre-defined effect groups from a single switch. Many effects also offer "XY" switching, which gives them two completely different sound settings: imagine dialing in a single drive pedal with both "Overdrive" and "Fuzz" channels, or a reverb with foot-selectable "spring" and "hall" sounds.
It does not morph between different profiles or effects...
I enjoy the Kemper in the studio
But for live use, I remain content I applied $600 towards an Axe-FXII+MFC-101 instead of a Kemper remote.
https://shop.kempermusic.us/kemper/profiler-accessories/profiler-remote.html
I admit I haven't actually had to time to watch the demos; I just made assumptions as to how it would work based on what I know about the KPA itself. I should probably reserve judgement until I know a little more.
QuoteI should probably reserve judgement until I know a little more.
True for any new gear or firmware ! Need real world user experience reports prior to purchase or firmware updates.
Im not saying that this morph feature is not cool, in fact it is! but at first I believed that was possible to morph between profiles and then I realized that it was not the case.
There are also seems that there are more things than morph.
New delays effects as mentioned by a guy in the kemper forum:
Quote
First day at Namm show. Just wanted to share a few screen shot pics from the Kemper booth. I spent some time playing around with the new delays that I'm told will be part of a future software update. Really diggin what I heard, great inspired delays for soundscape stuff as well as more control on some of the simpler delay types such as the single delay with its flutter and grit controls. Also, a new strobe style tuner and the new option to place delays anywhere in the effects chain. Super cool stuff! It's really great to know that Kemper is continuing to offer cool upgrades and support forthe current profiler hardware.
Enjoy!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26686-Namm-2016-Day-1-New-Kemper-stuff-with-pics/?postID=278001#post278001 (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26686-Namm-2016-Day-1-New-Kemper-stuff-with-pics/?postID=278001#post278001)
Also seems to be possible to use several delays simultaneously and place it in different slots...
Maybe even some new reverb... not sure about that...
I spent some time researching the new morphing feature. It is essentially a way to make multiple simultaneous continuous control changes to multiple parameters within a specific profile.
The morphing can be controlled (started, stopped, continuously varied) either by a pedal or a switch (latching or momentary - your choice) on the Kemper remote. There is no word as to whether the switch control is limited to the Kemper remote. They tried that with the looper function, but that feature can be accessed by other controllers now.
So you might vary gain, EQ, intensity of a loaded effect, etc. The process to create the morphing effect seems to be quite simple. Start by loading a profile, with the switch in on or off (up or down with a pedal) position. Initiate a morphing learn on the KPA. Vary the parameters you want. Save the morph. In the case of the switch you can also save different ramp up and down times for the morph.
QuoteI spent some time researching the new morphing feature. It is essentially a way to make multiple simultaneous continuous control changes to multiple parameters within a specific profile.
Here's the Fractal FX-8's 8 scenes with x/y select - per single preset
http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-fx8-multi-effects-pedalboard.php (http://www.fractalaudio.com/p-fx8-multi-effects-pedalboard.php)
Quote
Use Stompbox Mode on the FX8 for traditional effect "tap dance" switching, or leverage the eight SCENES in each preset to engage pre-defined effect groups from a single switch. Many effects also offer "XY" switching, which gives them two completely different sound settings: imagine dialing in a single drive pedal with both "Overdrive" and "Fuzz" channels, or a reverb with foot-selectable "spring" and "hall" sounds.
Thread on Kemper forum
Seamless ToneTravelling "morphing" feature.
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26675-Kemper-OS-4-Seamless-ToneTravelling/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26675-Kemper-OS-4-Seamless-ToneTravelling/)
More new effect features in this thread!
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26686-Namm-2016-Day-1-New- (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26686-Namm-2016-Day-1-New-)
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From Don Peterson, on the forum:
'I guess you have to witness the Morph feature first hand to really get the scope of it.
Least of all, it can give you a very customized boosted sound variation. Not just more gain, but affecting Definition, Clarity, Amp Compression, Direct Mix, plus fx Mix values etc. - you can blend between a Phaser and a Flanger, or two Tremolos with different speeds etc.
It is a very 'open' feature that can be used in any number of ways and thanks to it's very quick and intuitive implementation it is a lot of fun to use, too. :)"
That REALLY could be useful, especially with variations from an EXP pedal. Fantastic!!
And stacking the new delays, in 7 slots, (if you want) - let's go crazy!!!! Awesome stuff!!!
CK was at first cynical, at many requests for delayed pitch shifting, even asking for examples of its usefullness, many months ago. Then he really does it right! From a Kemper user at the Kemper booth:
"One of the delays sounds like an arpeggiator due to the fact that you can have a different chromatic note at each delay interval...and up to 4 delay intervals."
Wow!!!
Quote from: scratch17 on January 21, 2016, 03:41:26 PM
So you might vary gain, EQ, intensity of a loaded effect, etc. The process to create the morphing effect seems to be quite simple. Start by loading a profile, with the switch in on or off (up or down with a pedal) position. Initiate a morphing learn on the KPA. Vary the parameters you want. Save the morph. In the case of the switch you can also save different ramp up and down times for the morph.
The most important implication here is that exposes more parameters to the expression pedal(s) than their conventional menu assignments had. Before 4.0, the Kemper was extremely restrictive in this regard. So, not what I expected (I too assumed it would allow morphing between two amp profiles) but still very compelling.
Either way, it arrives too late for me.
Kemper has indicated that morphing can be initiated by any MIDI controller that can send CC11 (expression) message. So there is no specific requirement for the Kemper Remote to use morphing feature.
http://nermark.com/reports/NAMM_Winter_2016/NAMM_Winter_2016_3.htm (http://nermark.com/reports/NAMM_Winter_2016/NAMM_Winter_2016_3.htm)
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Modular speakers from Kemper? Yes, and they are light weight too.
Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2016, 09:52:20 AM
http://nermark.com/reports/NAMM_Winter_2016/NAMM_Winter_2016_3.htm (http://nermark.com/reports/NAMM_Winter_2016/NAMM_Winter_2016_3.htm)
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Modular speakers from Kemper? Yes, and they are light weight too.
Wow these look REALLY interesting. I imagine they will be very expensive, though. Have you seen any other information?
No other details on these Kemper Speakers
i first saw them last October 2015 at the LA Amp show, and at the time i was told these were custom made strictly for Kemper trade show demos - i do hope they consider adding these to the Kemper product line.
Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2016, 10:15:04 AM
No other details on these Kemper Speakers
i first saw them last October 2015 at the LA Amp show, and at the time i was told these were custom made strictly for Kemper trade show demos - i do hope they consider adding these to the Kemper product line.
I hope they add them as well 8)
Now you can enable the Kemper Profiling Amps Looper without the $500 Kemper Remote
Behringer FCB-1010 with latest EurekaSound EurekaPROM 3.1
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13536.msg125186#msg125186 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13536.msg125186#msg125186)
https://youtu.be/VHP3_RddiCE (https://youtu.be/VHP3_RddiCE)
http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom (http://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom)
The Kemper configuration now includes looper control, & with tuner info displayed on the FCB1010 display.
The Fractal configuration now includes effect state feedback for Mark II, along with tuner info on the FCB1010 display. Also supports up to 512 presets for XL!
Added one new configuration: IO for programmers
Improved wah pedal response and range
Improved LED brightness
Other minor bug fixes
What is the latest EurekaPROM revision?
Revision 3.1.
Here's the EurekaPROM changelog:
Revision 3.1
Added support for effect state feedback for the Fractal Axe series, along with tuner feedback to the FCB1010 7-segment display
Revision 3.0
Added one new configuration: IO for programmers
Updated the PA configuration for the Kemper Profiling Amp to include looper functionality and tuner feedback on the pedal
Updated the FA configuration to expand to 511 presets
Improved wah pedal response and range
Improved LED brightness
Minor bug fixes
Revision 2.0
Added two new configurations
PA for the Kemper Profiling Amp (that has effect state feedback!)
& FA for the Fractal Audio Systems Fractal Axe-FX II
Added a split mode, where pedals 1-5 are stomp boxes, and pedals 6-10 are presets
Improved Favorite Preset mode so that the program change is sent on the pedal press rather than the release
Totally rethought PP Programmable configuration, with
Effect Mode stomp box type selection of toggle (0/127) and/or momentary (127)
The ability to send program changes to all 16 MIDI channels in Presets Mode
The ability to invert LEDs in Effect mode
The ability to offset the Program Change value by +1 to the 7-segment display
Both Note On & Note Off sent in SP mode
Improved wah pedal response
Revision 1.1
Initial release
$10 off when upgrading from previous PROM!
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Configuration PA: Customized for Kemper Profiling Amps
This video shows you the EurekaPROM-enabled FCB1010 and a Kemper Profiling Amp in action:
Overview
Five Modes, easily switched between using the Up/Down pedals:
New in EurekaPROM3.0! Effects Mode: Turn individual effects on/off in stompbox-like fashion, with state reflected on the pedal LED. Plus tuner access, with note reflected on FCB1010 7-segment display!
Presets Mode: Easily enter Performances 1-125, Slots 1-5, & Presets 1-128.
Favorite Presets Mode: Allows you to store and recall your 10 favorite presets with the push of a pedal!
New in EurekaPROM3.0! Specials Mode: Looper, plus change the expression pedal definition to modify 8 effects parameters!
Effects & Presets Mode: Access Effects mode pedals 1-5 & Favorite Presets pedals 6-10 in one layout
Expression Pedals programmed for 10 effects & volume. MIDI activity LED. And waterproof labels!
Modes
Switch between modes with UP/DOWN pedals.
1) EF: Effects
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Notes:
Turn Effects on/off!
With 2 MIDI cables connected (FCB MIDI out-to-KPA MIDI in & FCB MIDI in-to-KPA MIDI out), effects state for pedals 1-8 is automatically updated on the pedal LEDs, plus tuner information displayed in FCB1010 7-segment display. *Make sure that the Kemper Profiling Amp is fully powered-up before the EurekaPROM-enabled FCB1010 is powered on.
With 1 MIDI cable connected (FCB MIDI out-to-KPA MIDI in), the LEDs do not automatically update, but they still have state, three in fact: off, on, blip (for unknown effects state).
2) Pr: Presets
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Notes:
Enter Performances 1-125, Slots 1 through 5 using pedals 1-7.
Enter Presets 1-128 using pedals 8-10.
Press & hold pedal 10 to engage Instant Send, which will send the preset program change command on value change.
3) FP: Favorite Presets
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Notes:
Store 10 of your favorite Presets for 1 press recall!
To store a Preset:
In Pr mode, select preset via the EurekaPROM-enabled FCB1010.
Press & Hold the UP pedal until the 7-segment display begins to flash FP.
Press the pedal you wish to store the Preset. The 7-segment display will flash when stored.
To recall a Preset, press and release the pedal of your choice.
4) SP: Specials - Expression Pedal CC Assignment
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Notes:
Pedals 1-6 control the Kemper looper.
Pedals 7 & 8 set the left expression pedal to Wah & Pitch respectively.
Pedals 9 & 10 set left expression pedal to Delay Mix, Delay Feedback, Reverb Mix, Reverb Time, Gain, and Monitor Volume.
5) EP: Effects & Presets
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Notes:
To get to EP mode:
Go to EF mode.
Press & Hold the UP pedal until both the EFfects LED & Favorite Presets LED are both lit.
Pedals 1-5 are from EFfects mode.
Pedals 6-10 are from FP mode.
MIDI Activity LED
In 1-cable mode, the LED is on when MIDI is sent, off otherwise.
In 2-cable mode, the LED is off when MIDI is sent/received, on otherwise.
PA FAQ
What do I need for this setup?
A Kemper Profiling Amp, a Behringer FCB1010, and one or two MIDI cables depending on your preferred mode of operation.
What do you mean "one or two MIDI cables depending on your preferred mode of operation"?
Effects Mode can be operated in either one-cable mode or two-cable mode. In one-cable mode each pedal sends a specific MIDI controller message. In two-cable mode each pedal continues to send a specific MIDI controller message, but pedals 1-8 have the current state of those effect settings reflected on the pedalʼs LED.
Kemper 4.0 Public Beta finally available. Yeah getting ready to backup, download and try. Can't wait to try out morphing feature ;D
https://youtu.be/cZgli5vZUTI
Reading the Kemper forums I reached a post that exactly reflects my opinion of my Kemper, on both sides, what I like and what I do not like, what think you about this?
Quotejzucker wrote:
I disagree completely though I suppose it varies with the profile. Using mbritt's robin ford ODS 100 profile, the amp reacts just about as well as any dumble amp I've ever played through or owned including many of the big name clones. It is much more amp-like in that respect than the axefx. I like the axefx models very much but your description applies way more to axefx than kemper. The kemper seems to be much more amp like in terms of the guitar's volume affecting the tone than any other modeler.
In terms of what I *DON'T* like:
The effects are generally weak, particularly the time based effects
no spring reverb
no multi delays (impossible to get a holdsworth clean sound because of this)
No univibe
non realistic trem
choruses don't compare to axefx choruses
overdrive and fuzz pedals have way too much gain
no zendrive
no editor software
However, in terms of realistically modeling a tube amp, the top of the heap. The real issue it has is not enough CPU horsepower. The single processor just doesn't have the bandwidth to do what axefx does in terms of effects. But in terms of sounding like a real amp, IT DOES THAT REALLY, REALLY WELL!
I would add that the compresor is not very versatile and pumps the sound easily in a very audible way.
Oldies - but Goodies
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqa0et6qvRa3WWFVD8b56g (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWqa0et6qvRa3WWFVD8b56g)
https://youtu.be/a7UOKLFdFL0 (https://youtu.be/a7UOKLFdFL0)
https://youtu.be/AZQWNfi-jy4 (https://youtu.be/AZQWNfi-jy4)
https://youtu.be/MidCTLHhYPQ (https://youtu.be/MidCTLHhYPQ)
https://youtu.be/pAVnd_FmPBk (https://youtu.be/pAVnd_FmPBk)
https://youtu.be/9PROH-lFcCI (https://youtu.be/9PROH-lFcCI)
Has anyone had any luck using a Voodoo Lab Ground control PRO in Performance mode??? Little confused, I would like to set the Bank up & dwn to scroll thru my amps and 1-4 buttons for Performance slots. I know there was a Wiki walk-thru at one time but it appears it has been deleted. I'm still at the Dork level of Midi comprehension, slowly working towards Geek status. :-\
QuoteI know there was a Wiki walk-thru at one time but it appears it has been deleted.
http://web.archive.org/web/20150216134130/http://www.wikpa.org/MIDI (http://web.archive.org/web/20150216134130/http://www.wikpa.org/MIDI)
http://web.archive.org/web/20150228002050/http://www.wikpa.org/Using_Specific_MIDI_Controllers#Voodoo_Labs_Ground_Control_Pro (http://web.archive.org/web/20150228002050/http://www.wikpa.org/Using_Specific_MIDI_Controllers#Voodoo_Labs_Ground_Control_Pro)
Quote from: Elantric on July 26, 2016, 03:55:30 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20150216134130/http://www.wikpa.org/MIDI (http://web.archive.org/web/20150216134130/http://www.wikpa.org/MIDI)
http://web.archive.org/web/20150228002050/http://www.wikpa.org/Using_Specific_MIDI_Controllers#Voodoo_Labs_Ground_Control_Pro (http://web.archive.org/web/20150228002050/http://www.wikpa.org/Using_Specific_MIDI_Controllers#Voodoo_Labs_Ground_Control_Pro)
That's it!!!!! Thanks Elantric!!
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads (https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads)
Profiler Operating System 4.0.6 Release
This software release introduces Morphing and many other new features and fixes.
Rig Manager revision 1.5.40 is required!
Locking is automatically reset to default during upgrades!
Rigs, Performances, Presets, and Snapshots created under this operating system are only downward compatible to operating system 3.3.0 Build 11973, but not with elder operating systems!
Compared to earlier 4.x Public Beta revisions this operating system introduces the following new fix:
User Interface
fixed: incorrect data in Performance immediately after restart and before first new Performance gets loaded
Got my Kemper green pedal board done. It will hold my Kemper Remote and 2 pedals plus the remote expression and control pedal for my GR55. I'm so excited will load it this weekend.
Picture can be seen when you go direct to post
I used extra light plywood so board only ways less then 5lbs
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I got my board loaded and the GR55 is now in a separate cabinet with my Kemper.
As you can see GR55 is in a drawer below Kemper and Synth-Lynx jack is mounted on front below Kemper 1/4in jack
No more tripping over cords coming from front and back
The new remote expression and control pedals are the ones on the right side of the shelf on the board
The Boss A/B switch is for page turner for Setlist Manager
Damn, I thought I figured out how to post pics here. Just click on the title they show in the post
That looks great !
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Thanks It was a fair amount of work but well worth it :)
Totally pro job - perfect! I love it.
Paul, that is awesome!
Thanks you very, very much
Thanks Mark, And all connected together with 2 Cat5 cables :) All GK connections use Gumbo's Synth-Linx jacks and being able to remote control the GR55 from board is way cool
No more accidentally starting the looper
Paul,
looks fantastic. Hows it sound?????
George
A heaven setup! it absolutely invitate to tweak, play and enjoy, great job Paul.
And there's me worried about the weight of my board!
Awesome job and most importantly awesome rig - bet it sounds incredible
Thanks everyone, It does sound fantastic 8)
The board and head/cabinet way little more then the weight of what is in it. I used an ultralight plywood that literally weighs nothing.
I'm now getting ready to build a cab with wheels to hold my CLR cab and attach to the head so I can have everything completely wired except the pedal board.
It will still be able to come apart if I need to carry it up stairs..
I'm also working on remote switches for my ATG-1 to mount it with CLR
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/18217-The-Official-Ambrosi-Amps-Retrofit-Power-Amps-for-the-Profiler-thread/
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This doc lists the KPA MIDI messages to access Looper and Tuner
http://bjdevices.com/manuals/manualtb12_en.pdf
Updated! wiki for KPA
http://foobazaar.com/wikpa/index.php?title=Main_Page
New software BETA 5.0 available on Kemper website.... Lots of new Delays with many new controls.. I haven't tried them yet , but they are getting rave reviews
https://youtu.be/wPBq4OcLHMo
With the 5.0 software update the Kemper Profiling Amplifire has a bunch more tricks for noisemakers and experimental music makers. This is an unstructured improvisation involving minimal guitar playing and manual knob-tweaking on the KPA. One Rig featuring the Soft Shaper, a distorted Engl profile (not that it makes a huge difference), some stereo modulation, reverb, and some messing with the new delays. There's no editing, just a limiter on the master bus.
The new delays are really amazing they have nothing to envy nor fractal or eventide or other high end units.
It has its own sound, flavor and nuance and among many other things can create some atmosphere of a high density and musicality that I think I have not heard before in other units.
And and they can be used several simultaneously, demonstrating unexpectedly the great capacity of process that still has the profiler, Im impressed.
There are some examples posted in the kemper forum:
https://youtu.be/fJO-btX4lx0
https://youtu.be/XdLdiwVG9Sg
https://soundcloud.com/valvetheory/presetsdly
https://soundcloud.com/cabreramusic/kemper-v50-dual-delay-demo
I have been impressed with what I have heard as well. I hope to be able to try them out on Sunday. I have gigs on Friday and Saturday
Quote from: Elantric on April 18, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20052-Synth-like-the-Boss-SY-300/ (http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/20052-Synth-like-the-Boss-SY-300/)
I really would like to see this implemented and Christoph knows how to make a really good sounding synth.
Cheers,
I quoted the wrong person I think; Elantric. I went through this whole thread yesterday for info :-X You pointed these presets out so I'll give you all the credit ;D The presets from Paults (?) are absolutely great. I still need to find a flute styled tone but all my other bread and butter tones from the SY are covered in this bunch. The only thing left is an equivalent of the Axel F and/or Good Old Synth styled preset. Really quite impressed with the Kemper. Now just to learn how to use the d@mn thing beyond previewing tones :P :)
OK - I'm ready to take the plunge into Kemper World!
What do you guys recommend: head, rack, or amp unit? Do any of them have unique features? The application is 100% studio work.
Right now I'm leaning towards rack + remote.
Looking forward to your inputs!
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Kemper powered Toaster has higher resale value, and for longest time was the only way to buy the Kemper footswitch via a dealer
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ProfPwrHDwRMT?product_id=%7Bproduct_id%7D&adpos=1o1&creative=55281441601&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKEAiAmdXBBRD0hZCVkYHTl20SJACWsZj9TJSCsRarRf4JG8onay1IVHBnRUekygAQKonMdPAhjhoCxnXw_wcB
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The Kemper Rack has fewer front panel controls (missing both the MOD Rate / MOD Intensity knobs) , but most pros prefer it for its 19" road rack compatibility
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads
By the time you add speakers it can push $3K-$4K
lately I'm using my Katana 100-112 ($300) and GA-FC ($89)+ 2 EV-5 ($100) = $489 total, and have less worries and great sound in s 32 pound package for live gigs
Am I correct in thinking the only items missing on the rack version are the "Rate" and "Intensity" knobs?
I have the rack mount. I dig it. Looking at getting the mission engineering Gemini case for it. I attempted(and failed) at profiling my SY a few minutes ago. Pretty much the expected results but I gave it a try just in case.
QuoteI attempted(and failed) at profiling my SY a few minutes ago. Pretty much the expected results but I gave it a try just in case.
Bill Ruppert Profiled his VG-99
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/4147-Anyone-tried-profiling-a-VG99/
Quote from: Elantric on November 23, 2016, 05:40:33 PM
Bill Ruppert Profiled his VG-99
I would love to know his steps in doing so. I followed the instructions and got a clean tone instead of the funky brass preset I was working with lol :'(
When I a/B'd the captured profile and referenced "amp"; the referenced amp sounded exactly as it normally does. I know the Kemper isn't made to do what I tried to make it do. Good practice if nothing else.
Katana , may sound decent . But it's like comparing apples and oranges. In my humble oppinion
Yes
New delays coming with OS 5.1
Here is a demo:
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2017/01/23/namm-2017-kemper-profiler-gets-new-delay-fx/
They are here and are fabulous. I wish I had more of a use for them. Playing live I only get a little use now
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/simple-lightweight-clean-amp-for-use-with-modeler-still-powerful-enough-for-use-on-stage.1814695/page-3
QuoteFollow up on using katana 100 as active speaker:
Yesterday I carried my Kemper and Katana100 at reharsal and HOLY S#*T!!!
I used the preset I made on acoustic mode+parametricEQ, turned cab character all the way to -5 and used full Kemper profiles including CAB section.
Great sounds, wide ranges and the cabs make all the difference in the world.
Loudness was amazing, 100w mode was too much I switched to 50w mode, master at 11o'clock, volume&gain at noon, kemper master volume @6,5.(we play hard&heavy covers with loud drumming)
Amazing with Kemper full profiles, amazing on its own but will have to try more OK Katana alone( target of the experiment was to make Katana100 as close as I can to a Frfr)
Another post there:
"very well gents, I did some more tweaking to make it work as almost a FRFR speaker
ALL OF THIS IS AIMED TO USE THE PROFILES WITH CAB SECTION OF THE KEMPER-->BOSS KATANA INPUT -->ACOUSTIC MODE/CHANNEL
(going into return of the amp is easy and great sounding, but you miss the cabs of your profiles)
I started tweaqing the eq section in acoustic mode and did not seem to achieve anything close to what I wanted ( had a yamaha studio monitor to compare), then I read again about this guy and noticed he had been tweaking a parametriq eq of the amp, which is one of the many virtual stomps you can program in the Katana chain, so I started tweaking, I got close enough with that, the image attached is to show the settings of katana'sparametric eq.
But still there was something quite not right, some high mids that I could not dial out, then playing with the cab section of the Kemper I found the sweet spot I was looking for: Character to be dialed out to -5 (far left).
I perfectly know that a FRFR powered speaker would be the proper and accurate way to go, but if you have one of those amazing Katana as a backup try this trick and tell me what do you think of it[IMG]
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[img]very well gents, I did some more tweaking to make it work as almost a FRFR speaker
ALL OF THIS IS AIMED TO USE THE PROFILES WITH CAB SECTION OF THE KEMPER-->BOSS KATANA INPUT -->ACOUSTIC MODE/CHANNEL
(going into return of the amp is easy and great sounding, but you miss the cabs of your profiles)
I started tweaqing the eq section in acoustic mode and did not seem to achieve anything close to what I wanted ( had a yamaha studio monitor to compare), then I read again about this guy and noticed he had been tweaking a parametriq eq of the amp, which is one of the many virtual stomps you can program in the Katana chain, so I started tweaking, I got close enough with that, the image attached is to show the settings of katana'sparametric eq.
But still there was something quite not right, some high mids that I could not dial out, then playing with the cab section of the Kemper I found the sweet spot I was looking for: Character to be dialed out to -5 (far left).
I perfectly know that a FRFR powered speaker would be the proper and accurate way to go, but if you have one of those amazing Katana as a backup try this trick and tell me what do you think of it
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/simple-lightweight-clean-amp-for-use-with-modeler-still-powerful-enough-for-use-on-stage.1814695/page-2 (https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/simple-lightweight-clean-amp-for-use-with-modeler-still-powerful-enough-for-use-on-stage.1814695/page-2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeyC3z5IEw (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jeyC3z5IEw)
Kemper Beta 5.3 Firmware
Audio
added: Mix parameter in Treble Booster and Lead Booster
added: Ducking parameter, if Treble Booster or Lead Booster are used in stereo Modules changed: Mix control of Distortion effects improved. Level is unity at Mix 0%
changed: Direct Out/Send muted immediately, if Effect Loop gets deactivated changed: reduced latency of Pitch Shifter effects incl. Transpose
changed: sound of Formant Shifter improved in combination with Pitch Shifter effects changed: Freeze Formants in Pedal Pitch improved
changed: Freeze Formants option added in Pedal Vinyl Stop
changed: Formant Shift as continuous controller in Pedal Pitch not useful and obsoleted
User Interface
added: Remote supports Profiler Mode
added: new MIDI option "Pedals to MIDI" in System Settings enables pedal controllers CC#1, 4, 7, and 11 to be sent to two external MIDI devices, even if triggered by pedals connected to Profiler or Remote
added: Master Volume display reflecting all output volumes to better illustrate its functionality
added: with the new option "Signal LEDs Blue" in the System Settings the color of the Input and Output LEDs can be changed
added: new warning indicating MIDI buffer overflow, if too many program chances are received within too short time frame
added: Profiler doesn't try to restore corrupted backup files
fixed: MIDI clock display stabilized
fixed: correct handling of Pedal Volume after Rig change, if "WahPedal to Volume" is enabled fixed: correct processing of MIDI controlling changes immediately following a program change fixed: logical conflicts between Morph Pedal and Morph Button
fixed: disabled Slots accidentally appear as enabled
fixed: Uno4Kemper conflict with relative addressing in Browser Mode
fixed: default Pitch if "WahPedal to Pitch" or "MorphPedal to Pitch" are activated. fixed: Tuner Mode exits Performance scrolling
fixed: erroneous Locking after Mode changes
fixed: erroneous Morphing of Slot 4 in Performance edit buffer after restar
fixed: polarity option for external switches gets ignored, if a pedal is configured
fixed: correct handling of "Delay on/off Tail" triggered via external switch
changed: "Power Amp On" instead of "Power Amp" in PowerHead and PowerRack Output Section changed: scale of Crystal Mix und Pitch Mix parameter changed to 0-100%
changed: option to display time on Remote on page Date and Time in System Settings (had been hidden feature before)
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This working excellent as my Kemper Toaster bag
room for Kemper Toaster and cables and gig accessories for one grab & go bag to head to record in the studio
$35
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Material: high density cotton canvas and classical bronze tone hardware
Multiple pockets design: 2*side zipper pockets, 1*front zipper pockets, 1*front magnetic snap pocket and 1*main compartment equipped with an inner zipper wall pocket and two open wall pocket, which makes your good lay in the bag systematically
Versatile carrying: it comes with rounded padded stitched grip handles and an adjustable, detachable shoulder strap buckle that are convenient for versatile carrying. The zips are all large zipper, which are smooth and durable
It's two way zipper top closures design of main compartment with huge storage which can hold all your essentials for a long weekend. At the bottom of the bag, our duffel bag equips with high quality plastic cushions, which makes the bag well resistance to dirty
Multi-functional: this travel duffel bag can hold all your daily essentials like clothes, shoes, etc. It's suitable for anyone on travelling, camping, business, sporting
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Fits the KPA Toaster and remote + a couple Proline Expression pedals
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My Kemper was delivered yesterday, and I am hurting today. I played until my fingers hurt, then looked at the clock, and knew it wasn't going to be a good day at work.
The stock profiles on the Kemper are amazing. The clarity of every profile is stunning, to say the least. I'm only 7 hours into it, but I am completely loving this thing.
Quote from: lespauled on July 14, 2017, 11:55:23 AM
My Kemper was delivered yesterday, and I am hurting today. I played until my fingers hurt, then looked at the clock, and knew it wasn't going to be a good day at work.
The stock profiles on the Kemper are amazing. The clarity of every profile is stunning, to say the least. I'm only 7 hours into it, but I am completely loving this thing.
Now try the amazing amount of musical and useful tones you get simply rolling your guitar volume pot up and down. Nothing can compare in the digital modeling domain.
And I agree in the stock profiles (AND in the rig exchange) there are already some very good ones.
Congratulations for your purchase.
Quote from: jassy on July 14, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
Now try the amazing amount of musical and useful tones you get simply rolling your guitar volume pot up and down. Nothing can compare
same occurs with a Katana 100 - just sayin
Quote from: Elantric on July 14, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
same occurs with a Katana 100 - just sayin
I have no plans to go for an amp atm, so Im impatient for they to port this new amp tech (katana) to the multi-effects units.
Quote from: jassy on July 14, 2017, 05:37:09 PM
I have no plans to go for an amp atm, so Im impatient for they to port this new amp tech (katana) to the multi-effects units.
The porting actually went in the other direction. All indications are that the Boss GT-001/100 sound engine was re-used in Katana.
Quote from: snhirsch on July 15, 2017, 06:03:03 AM
The porting actually went in the other direction. All indications are that the Boss GT-001/100 sound engine was re-used in Katana.
Maybe Im wrong but I think to have read that the katana algos where new and superior to the GT ones so were one step ahead.
I have a GP10 and while it has good amps IMO its not very close to the Kemper ones, neither in the dynamic area (i. e. controlling with the volume pot).
GP-10 != GT-100. I believe the latter is a newer generation design. But, I have never used a GT-001/100 so just going by what others have claimed about their sound. At least one person uses a GT-100 with their Katana in four-cable mode to get more flexibility.
The Katana power amplifier section (obviously not found in the floor units) has been designed to mimic the characteristics of overdriven tube amplifiers interacting with speakers, so even if the effects are exactly the same as the GT-001/100 that's not the entire story.
ENJOY IT, I've had mine 5 yrs and gig with it all the time... There are 1000's of free profiles on the rig exchange... don't forget to down load the free extra profiles from the Kemper site
I wish I could find someone in my area who owns a Kemper. Very curious about the device, but no way am I going to make a purchase of that magnitude without having had my hands on one first.
Most us dealers like Sweerwater will give you 30 days to try it out
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on July 16, 2017, 04:04:05 PM
Most us dealers like Sweerwater will give you 30 days to try it out
Yes, I know. But I'm just old-school enough to feel guilty about leveraging return policies as free trials.
Yes. But with so few local dealers carrying certain products, you just have to :)
If I can find a stocking Kemper dealer in New England maybe I'll make a drive. I went through this exact exercise when buying my JTV-69 Variax. The nearest stocking dealer was in Boston (3.5 hour drive from me). Made a day trip to GC and ended up buying it after an hour in their demo room.
I think you'll like it a lot.. Good luck with finding a dealer with one in stock. ;D
Not sure if this has been asked before, couldn't find it...
Does the MIDI in of the Kemper still accept MIDI data when using the Remote? I want my Macbook Pro to control patch changes via MIDI and use the Remote for wah, volume etc...
Yes it does still receive midi. I send program change via setlist maker from my iPAD , and still use the remote.
Awesome! I shall order mine now ;D
Awesome, Grab all the free Profiles on the Kemper website . There are a bunch from some commercial profilers
Got 'em and bought some Britt ones too.
Best bit of gear I've ever purchased!
QuoteGot 'em and bought some Britt ones too.
Best bit of gear I've ever purchased!
Same here - It's the real deal!!!
Same here , I've been gigging with mine for 5 years AND LOVE IT.
Kemper Profiler Rack Stand
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-Kemper-Profiler-Rack-Stand-/122591526021?hash=item1c8b063c85:g:aSsAAOSwcLxYKQNg
https://youtu.be/3OiTBwdGWoU
Kemper DI Box
https://shop.kempermusic.us/profiler-di-box.html
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Profiler DI Box is optimized to create perfectly authentic Direct Amplifier Profiles, which can then be monitored via guitar speaker cabinets. It's not suitable for other purposes. The Profiler DI-Box gets connected to the Profiler's XLR Return, offers galvanic isolation and can safely handle up to 500 Watt amp power.
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https://youtu.be/lrWnvG__HeA
I use the Radial JDX 48 Active DI.
"I use the Radial JDX 48 Active DI." Guitarbuilder
Can you defeat the cab-simulation on it?
I have the Kemper DI, too. I already had a Radial JDV Mk3, but I bought it to toast bagels. You just connect it between the KPA and a 500 watt amp and throw the bagel onto the resistors. I do wish they'd put a slot in the top like other toasters.
http://www.musicradar.com/news/hear-the-difference-between-a-kemper-profiler-and-a-real-amp-on-a-track
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/30625-Mojotone-Faux-British-Amp-KPA-Rack-Pictures/
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Mojotone Faux British Amp KPA Rack Pictures
Sep 20th 2016+3
I just got back from a run of shows using the new Faux British Amp Head KPA Rack that I co-designed with the good people from Mojotone. They now offer this as a stock product if anyone is interested. Here's the link: mojotone.com/Cabinets_x/Cabine...ure-with-Faux-British-Amp. They matched the color scheme on my 65 Cabinet perfectly (They actually built the cabs for 65 in the early days). Our FOH guy is going to hard wire the input jack in the front of the faux head to an angled cable that fits into the Kemper very soon.
Attached are a couple of live shots from a show Yacht Rock Revue played at the incredibly amazing Austin City Limits Live in Austin, TX. I know it makes "Kemper Spotting" a bit more challenging, but it's fun to hear people ask, "What kind of tube head is that, man?". The full stage shot is us playing the 80s classic "Break My Stride" with singer/songwriter/producer Matthew Wilder who has been one of the artists performing with us this summer.
Very Cool 8) Do you have any audio or video from your shows
Sorry just realized this was posted by adsustainiac... I just checked the Kemper site. They have a link with sound and video. Very good pop-rock band
http://www.yachtrockrevue.com/
https://youtu.be/ymyMzfjphxI
Kemper Remote used $425
https://m.ebay.com/itm/Kemper-Profiler-Remote-the-ultimate-foot-controller-for-Kemper-Profiler-Amp/222842426540?hash=item33e27194ac:g:PNMAAOSwpw1ah0fL
I have had a KPA since 2014. The profiling paradigm is unique. I love the way it sounds. And Kemper has added a lot of functionality to the KPA in the form of new profile types, and many new effects. All of these improvements have been free of charge. I certainly feel like I have gotten my money's worth.
However, it is time for Kemper to step up and create a new KPA.
The processing power of the KPA has not been upgraded. While some of the effects are stereo, you still can only use a single amp profile. And there are only four effects slots available.
The one digital input/output is constrained to 44.1 khz. This is a silly limitation in 2018.
Competitors like Fractal and Line 6 have increased the power of their DSP engines so that they can use multiple simultaneous amp models in up to 4 audio streams. The FX3 and Helix also have two stereo digital in/out paths with flexible routing and an editor making all parameter adjustments a snap. Nor are either constrained to a 44.1 khz sample rate.
I am hoping we see some sort of announcement at Musikmesse 2018 from Kemper.
BTW, here is a link to an article posted about the end of life of the DSP used in the KPA and the Access Virus (which is also owned and designed by Kemper). They may be forced to move to a different DSP platform which could be why there has been no newer and upgraded version of the KPA.
https://synthmorph.com/blogs/news/access-virus-future-kemper-amp-virus-ti3
I skimmed that article, which fascinated me even though I understood probably no more than 30%!
I did notice, however, that a recent big-name audio processor maker was touting that their latest machine was based on (I think it was) four ARM chips, or a quadrophrenic ARM chip, or... anyway, some kinda ARM chip. They mentioned that as if consumers should know, and I found it interesting but had no idea why they'd mention it. Maybe it's to reassure us that, yes, they are thinking ahead and they can be trusted with the future of your music.
So no new announcements from Kemper with Messe coming quite soon. But they have sold a bunch of their demo units and dropped the MSRP by $300 on the KPA recently.
Meanwhile, I checked the price of the FX3. It is really high at $3500. And I thought the KPA and FX2 were expensive. Sheesh!
Huge update in the Kemper world. Under Version 5.5.0.13341 (beta, available now), KPA now supports 48, 88.1 and 96 kHz sample rates. Also new is a stereo monitor out capability. Third new feature is that transpose is now in the Rig Settings.
So you can set transpose for particular rig, not wasting stomp slot for that.
Very cool!
Modern Metal Tones
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCEhLxldbW1mCNzEQDshbAA/videos
Digital out was updated all the way to 96hz a couple of weeks ago
Great tool. I wonder if it will connect to my Kemper if I am running Windows 10 in Parallels on my Mac. I have a PC, but I'd prefer to keep it in my home theater.
Also wonder if MIDI learn is supported so I could connect a MIDI controller to have physical knobs, buttons, etc., mapped to the program.
https://youtu.be/omqQv23FoIA
https://youtu.be/m-xEztEgMaA
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/26582415/
Quotekillerburst said: ↑
The GT-1000 is cheaper than buying the three 500 series pedals separately. Hope that helps.
I actually paid something like $1300 for the FX8 when it first came out. The GT blows it away as a 4CM FX processor. Plus it has amp modeling if one ever feels like going that route.
Steveo wrote>
I was actually going to buy the 500 series pedals to run in the loop of my Kemper until I dug deeper into what the GT-1000 does, and it was a no-brainer decision for me. The two units integrate seamlessly with no noise or hum, and I use the Kemper Remote to call up the presets and switch a few of the Kemper effects I use, and send a MIDI signal to the GT-1000 that is set up as a handful of virtual pedalboards, so the switches are configured in a pedalboard mode on it. Plus, both floor units are compact enough that it doesn't take up hardly any more space than a typical traditional pedalboard would.
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/39621-Boss-GT-1000-released/?postID=435511#post435511
From Burkhard: Our latest revision 5.5.1.13437 is now our new release.
I just downloaded it and took a look at the PDF with explanations of the revisions. It is a huge release, encompassing a number of new features.
Ahhhh, Kemper strikes again!!!
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5.6.2.13481 Spring Reverb Preview
2 hours ago+30
NEW
This is a new public beta including our new Spring Reverb, which is one element of a bigger revision of the reverb effects! We are preparing a whole bunch of new reverb effects and the flexibilization of the REV Module. At the end of this process reverb effects will be available in all Modules and all effect types will be available for selection in the REV Module.
And here some explanations:
Spring Reverb Preview
The Spring Reverb is inspired by the most sought-after spring reverb for guitarists: the Fender (TM) Reverb Tank from 1963. There are two prominent characteristics that define this legendary reverb sound: one is the lack of low frequencies - this was due to a steep lowcut filter used in the original design to avoid acoustic feedback between the speaker and the reverb tank, that were both housed in the same combo amplifier. The other is the haunting sound quality that resembles water dripping in a cave. We have gone to great lengths to faithfully recreate this effect, for which we have provided a dedicated intensity parameter called "Dripstone".
Vintage combo amps do not feature a preamp distortion, meaning that the power amp needs to be clipped to achieve a gritty sound. Due to the placement of the reverb tank before the power amp, its output will be distorted along with the dry guitar. To authentically recreate this effect in the Profiler, you should place the Spring Reverb before the Amplifier. However, if you place the Spring Reverb after the Amplifier, you can then enjoy it in stereo.
☞ Please find the effect type "Spring Reverb" at the end of the list of effect types - turn the TYPE knob in any of the Modules between A and DLY. Spring Reverb is not available in the REV Module yet!
☞ We suggest you start with the new preset "REV Spring Fan" - turn the BROWSE knob to select it, and then play with the parameters.
Here is a description of the new parameters introduced with Spring Reverb:
Decay Time
Determines how fast the reverb decays. In a way, the Decay Time sets the size of the room, as small rooms decay more quickly, and large rooms more slowly.
Decay Time is analogous to the Feedback parameter of the delay effects. It is measured in seconds (s) and reflects the time the reverb will take to decay by 60dB - well below the hearing threshold.
Dripstone
Controls the intensity of the "Dripstone" sound.
Spring Size
Varies the size of the springs and, consequently, the density of the "Dripstone" sound.
High Damp
Controls the high frequency degradation over time. The further you turn to the left, the more high frequency content is lost as the reverb decays.
Low Damp
Controls the low frequency degradation over time. The further you turn to the right, the more low frequency content is lost as the reverb decays
Spectral Balance
The Spring Reverb is originally processed by a strong lowcut filter. By moving Spectral Balance away from the (default) middle setting you can balance the sound of the wet reverb signal more towards low or high frequencies.
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Cool!!!!!! It's about time, hope it sounds like the real thing... ;D
Quote from: thebrushwithin on June 22, 2018, 10:51:56 AM
Ahhhh, Kemper strikes again!!!
(Kemper Spring Reverb)
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/40201-5-6-2-13481-Spring-Reverb-Preview-Public-Beta-Discussion/?postID=437781#post437783
Yawn - pretty worthless to me for vintage Surf, if this new Kemper Reverb Block can not be relocated 1st in the signal path ( crucial for nailing pre 1964 surf music )
My EHX Ocean Eleven remains!
https://youtu.be/UHbcU5ArqBQ
I need the "Dick Dale" signal path below - where Reverb is the 1st effect in the signal path
If the new Spring Reverb can be placed 1st in the Kemper Signal path,
( Guitar > Spring Reverb > Amp)
or
( Guitar >Compressor > Reverb > Amp) - my interest is perked -
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QuoteI have it in the A slot, so not sure what you mean.
Spring reverb Can go in any slot except the reverb block (just now anyway) :D
Then I look forward to dusting off my Kemper this weekend!
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads/7/Operating-System-Beta-Versions
Their next move is to make reverb available in any slot. I love their free upgrades and it doesn't change anything else that you already have, very efficient use of memory.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on June 22, 2018, 11:17:21 PM
Their next move is to make reverb available in any slot.
If Kemper finally can put a reverb in every slot then the cpu power of the Kemper would be really impressive
Quote from: Elantric on June 22, 2018, 12:35:24 PM
I need the "Dick Dale" signal path below - where Reverb is the 1st effect in the signal path
If the new Spring Reverb can be placed 1st in the Kemper Signal path,
( Guitar > Spring Reverb > Amp)
or
( Guitar >Compressor > Reverb > Amp) - my interest is perked -
(https://coolcatnyc.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/dale_dick_2000.gif?w=405&h=559)
Then I look forward to dusting off my Kemper this weekend!
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads/7/Operating-System-Beta-Versions
Dick Dale had a wireless setup? Impressive!
Elantric , Have you had a chance to check the new Spring Reverb, out against the original.
Other then the drip being a little bright, It sounds pretty good to me. But I sold my Fender reverb 30 yrs ago
I'll be comparing the new KPA firmware with Spring Reverb later in the week
Have rehearsal tonight , and gigs this Friday , and vehicle / Tire issues last weekend
Cool interested to see what you think, seeing as how you use spring reverb on a regular basis
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on June 26, 2018, 02:14:19 PM
Cool interested to see what you think, seeing as how you use spring reverb on a regular basis
the EHX Oceans Eleven is my # 2 Spring Reverb - still behind my #1 = genuine '63 Fender Tube Reverb
Yeah I often times I wish I hadn't sold mine 30 yrs ago
Preview of new reverbs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=ML2kh4fOvyo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=ML2kh4fOvyo)
Tone Junkie talks about new Kemper reverbs.
https://www.facebook.com/ToneJunkieTV/videos/613652262361269/UzpfSTUwODA0ODM4MDoxODQ2ODEyMjU1MzM5NDc0/?sk=h_chr (https://www.facebook.com/ToneJunkieTV/videos/613652262361269/UzpfSTUwODA0ODM4MDoxODQ2ODEyMjU1MzM5NDc0/?sk=h_chr)
QuoteTone Junkie talks about new Kemper reverbs.
and folks actually use this as a good source of info?
i only experience lots of talking, and not a spec of spring reverb in that video ;(
Here's one:https://choon.co/tracks/45oq72egw1/insomnia-boogie- (https://choon.co/tracks/45oq72egw1/insomnia-boogie-)
Tone Junkie was talking about the reverbs no one has yet. The Spring verb is already available for everyone.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on June 27, 2018, 03:39:20 PM
Here's one:https://choon.co/tracks/45oq72egw1/insomnia-boogie- (https://choon.co/tracks/45oq72egw1/insomnia-boogie-)
Tone Junkie was talking about the reverbs no one has yet. The Spring verb is already available for everyone.
Tone Junkie should play more and talk less IMHO
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/39655-Toast-ME-the-Unofficial-Kemper-Editor/?postID=438907#post438907 (https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/39655-Toast-ME-the-Unofficial-Kemper-Editor/?postID=438907#post438907)
These new reverbs sound awesome !
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=5hE4sUYKEfg (https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=5hE4sUYKEfg)
Breath....
Beautiful!
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26571-Guide-Focusrite-Saffire-Mixcontrol-Reamping/
Quote from: admin on July 10, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php/Thread/26571-Guide-Focusrite-Saffire-Mixcontrol-Reamping/
His guide didn't help me. I fought through it, and figured out routing in mixcontrol and how it dealt with reamping.
I clicked on a tab in mixcontrol and set up a mono output and named it ReAmpMix. I turned everything off but the SPDIF. Then in the routing, I set spdif output L to ReAmpMix.
This worked for me, and many others after I posted the settings.
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A few weeks ago, I bought a HeadRush FRFR. I put it through it's paces slowly, by taking it outside on my deck and seeing what it had. It really held up even at very loud volumes. I even tried it on 11 (yes, it goes to 11) with all 200 watts. My deck shook. I then put on a clean tone, and cranked it up to 11. It really held up incredibly. Loads of headroom.
Bringing it back to the Kemper. I then tried it with my Kemper. It brought it to a whole new level. It also showed me how the Kemper is very different than modelers. With a modeler, you can use it with headphones, and it will sound the same. Since the Kemper is essentially an amp, and it copies the amp sound, I believe I was missing something by using headphones of monitors on stands. Amps usually sit on the floor. I put the headrush on the floor, and connected it, and it brought it to a whole new level. It was essentially an amp. The sound was exactly like an amp.
Just another way the Kemper is a completely different animal than a modeler. After a year, I'm still floored by something with the Kemper.
Me Too! I keep buying and trying other things , but always come back to the Kemper :)
I just bought Top Jimi's Brown Sound Kemper Profiles. Holy S, I am blown away. I can 't get passed the Van Halen I profile. It is totally dead on. It even makes me sound good :p:D
This video was the one that made me purchase it.
https://youtu.be/L_XaZqgvr3U
Kemper adds Celestion impulse responses, spring reverb and more in latest update
By Michael Astley-Brown (Guitarist, Total Guitar) 5 hours agoGuitars
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads/6/Operating-System-Updates
New Cabdriver and MIDI functionality among fresh tweaks to Profiler
Kemper has announced version 5.5.2 of its Profiler operating system, which adds Celestion impulse responses, plus a spring reverb, among a host of other tweaks.
18 Celestion IRs will be available for free, all created in conjunction with popular cab designs and mic settings.
The spring reverb, meanwhile, is available to Profiler users with public beta OS 5.6.2, features a unique Dripstone parameter and is promised to deliver authentic spring 'verbs based on classic combos.
There are a number of other technical additions, too - here's what Kemper has to say:
Digital Connection - In conjunction with digital recording equipment and connected via S/PDIF the Profiler now supports the sample rates 44.1, 48, 88.2 and 96 KHz. The Profiler has to be the master though.
Cabdriver in Stereo - When using the Profiler in a live or rehearsal room situation it is now possible to run regular guitar cabinets in stereo alongside the Full Range signal for recording or FOH purposes. That means Profiler players now can drive two or more guitar cabinets for personal monitoring or in the rehearsal room or on stage in full stereo while at the same time the Full Range signal is available for recording purposes or for sending it to FOH. Please note that the Profiler PowerHead and PowerRack are equipped with mono power amps. A second amp is required for powering guitar cabs in stereo.
UI2MIDI - The Profiler now can send all editing action made on the Profiler panel or on the Profiler Remote to a second Profiler or a DAW via the Midi Output.
Profiler players can now control two or more ProfilerS using one Remote only or record a complete performance in terms of program changes, FX switching, morphing, etc. to a DAW for the purpose to automate a show. Also, many touring acts have some backup Profiler with them. Now it is very easy to keep the ProfilerS identical with the backup systems when it comes to doing some edit changes to the performances and setups during rehearsals and on tour via the new UI2MIDI feature. When connected via MIDI a second Profiler mirrors all the edits made on the main machine and makes maintaining complex Profiler systems pretty easily.
Momentary/Latched – The Effect Buttons on the Profiler Remote now automatically switch from latch to momentary, when the switches are held for a second, without the need for a dedicated configuration. For activating effects, controlling the rotary speed or freezing delays and reverbs, Profiler players can intuitively choose for latching an effect or deactivating it by simply releasing the Effect Button.
Profiler OS Version 5.5.2 is available for free from the Kemper website.
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads/6/Operating-System-Updates
QuoteCabdriver in Stereo - When using the Profiler in a live or rehearsal room situation it is now possible to run regular guitar cabinets in stereo alongside the Full Range signal for recording or FOH purposes. That means Profiler players now can drive two or more guitar cabinets for personal monitoring or in the rehearsal room or on stage in full stereo while at the same time the Full Range signal is available for recording purposes or for sending it to FOH. Please note that the Profiler PowerHead and PowerRack are equipped with mono power amps. A second amp is required for powering guitar cabs in stereo.
I have an non powered rack unit. In the studio, I use a stereo solid state amp (Acurus A-150) to drive two cabs. It has safely driven speakers that present loads as low as 3 ohms. So it can handle any of my guitar cabs.
If you want to be accurate, use two identical cabs with a Direct Amp Profile. Then, use a mic on each cab. Be careful of phase issues. Unless you have two Kempers, the stereo material will be effects based. You can only get a single profile from a single Kemper.
Use 'space' in the output section to add depth to an amp profile in stereo.
(https://l6c-acdn2.line6.net/data/6/0a020a3f116495bad77a3454e4/image/gif/r17666_)
Add Line-6 HX STOMP to your Kemper
adds More FX
8 in/6 out USB Audio / MIDI Interface
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=282.0
(https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/v1517848846/Kemper-Z-2_qbzji5.jpg)
https://reverb.com/news/dr-z-weighs-in-on-modeling-tech-and-the-future-of-amp-design
Nice to hear boutique maker embracing modelling and realising the potential revenue stream
I just picked up a very lightly-used Kemper rack and joined the club. I've only noodled a bit (through headphones) with the preloaded rigs, but so far it's been an eye-opening experience! The MB profiles are really nice, and despite a lot of negative press I like the built-in effects.
Not sure I want to fork out for the Kemper foot pedal, so I'll try my FCB1010 w/ Eureka PROM for a first pass.
Congratulations. Unless you have need for a few specific features the FCB works fine... I used mine live for 3 yrs before the Kemper pedal came out 8)
Welcome to the Kemper club!
Quote from: admin on December 05, 2018, 07:22:18 AM
Welcome to the Kemper club!
Thanks! Although the rack unit doesn't look like a 1950s Telefunken signal generator, I do note the display resembles nothing so much as the Apple Lisa 7/7 Office system (circa-1982). If I can capture it properly with a camera, I'll shoot it sitting on top of my lovingly restored Lisa 2/5.
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on December 05, 2018, 06:31:26 AM
Congratulations. Unless you have need for a few specific features the FCB works fine... I used mine live for 3 yrs before the Kemper pedal came out 8)
The next version of the VController will have Kemper support. We are in the testing/bugsquashing phase now. It is looking good.
https://youtu.be/iL7tWFhH8E8 (https://youtu.be/iL7tWFhH8E8)
https://youtu.be/ZJFEWxS3UL0 (https://youtu.be/ZJFEWxS3UL0)
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?thread/42758-5-7-0-14092-public-beta/
Here comes our new public beta revision introducing a bunch of new reverb algorithms plus flexibilization of the REV module! Related presets can be downloaded from our web page and imported via USB memory stick. Addendum 5.7 explains the new reverbs in detail.
Rig Manager 2.1.71 is required to establish communication with this new PROFILER OS.
Audio
added: five new reverb types: Spring Reverb, Natural Reverb, Easy Reverb, Echo Reverb, Cirrus Reverb (corresponding reverb presets available for download)
added: all effect types available in all modules A - D and X - REV
changed: The former reverb types (Hall, Large Room, Small Room, Ambience, Matchbox) are consolidated into one type named Legacy Reverb conserving the sound of all Rigs and Presets. Legacy Reverb includes one additional parameter Room Size, which reflects the former reverb types.
User Interface
changed: order of effect types
changed: parameter Del+Rev Balance moved into Rig Settings and renamed into DLY+REV Routing
changed: Factory content not completely included in operating system file (kaos.bin) anymore, just presets. Consequently Factory Rigs function in System Settings renamed to Factory Presets.
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads
Cool :)
"flexibilization" !!! Is George Dubyah a consultant now ::)
They had a reverb drenched demo track on their FB page. Wow!
Requires Rig Manager 2.1.71, which is nowhere to be found on the download page.
You have to turn on access to Beta updates
Addendum 5.7
This Addendum in English is organized by operating system release and takes an incremental approach. If you are already familiar with the other manuals and just want to learn, what's new about the latest os, you will find information related to new features in this document in a very condensed fashion. Consequently any os download package does include an electronic copy of the corresponding Addendum (English language only).
Download
Date: 2019-01-18, File size: 1.33 MB
PROFILER Operating System 5.7.0.14092 Public Beta https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads#
Rig Manager 2.1.71 is required to communicate with this PROFILER™ operating system. https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads#
Download
Date: 2019-01-18, File size: 7.36 MB, Changelog
Rig Manager for Windows (version 2.1.61)
KEMPER Rig Manager™ allows you to preview and manage your collection of PROFILER™ Rigs and Performances. Tagging rigs with keywords and creating Performances by drag and drop never was that easy. You gain direct access to over 13.000 additional free Rigs. Filter and choose content of interest and preview directly inside your PROFILER with a single click. Access Rig packs created by famous artists. Update and backup your PROFILER securely and fast.
System requirements: Windows 7 or higher
Download
Date: 2019-01-14, File size: 126.74 MB, Changelog
Rig Manager for macOS (version 2.1.61)
KEMPER Rig Manager™ allows you to preview and manage your collection of PROFILER™ Rigs and Performances. Tagging rigs with keywords and creating Performances by drag and drop never was that easy. You gain direct access to over 13.000 additional free Rigs. Filter and choose content of interest and preview directly inside your PROFILER with a single click. Access Rig packs created by famous artists. Update and backup your PROFILER securely and fast.
System requirements: macOS version 10.9.5 or higher
Download
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on January 19, 2019, 08:18:55 AM
You have to turn on access to Beta updates
Sorry to be dense, but turn on access to Beta updates... where?
Quote from: vtgearhead on January 19, 2019, 10:59:55 AM
Sorry to be dense, but turn on access to Beta updates... where?
Go here
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads/6/Operating-System-Updates
See the drop down "SELECT CATEGORY" menu
Pic attached
Quote from: admin on January 19, 2019, 11:24:52 AM
Go here
https://www.kemper-amps.com/downloads/6/Operating-System-Updates
See the drop down "SELECT CATEGORY" menu
Pic attached
Yes, that's where I downloaded the firmware. My confusion was over how to update Rig Manager. After reading some of the responses on TGP, I finally got it though my thick head that the RM was self-updating - if - the appropriate option box is checked. I've used RM a bunch of times, but never remember seeing that option. All ok now.
Even though Kemper OS 5.7 is still in beta, Kemper has posted some interesting news from NAMM about a new editor and version 6 OS. The new OS also includes a new speaker cone 'imprint' tech that Kemper calls Kone. It will be used to match the new Kemper cabinet with 'imprints' of drivers from Celestion, Oxford and Goodmans.
There is as yet no word on prices or release dates for the new cabs. Nor any word as to which Celestion speaker is used, but it seems logical the cab will have a single Celestion F12-200X driver. The new OS and editor have been rumored for a 'summer' release.
https://shop.kempermusic.com/pl/kemper/accessories/52/profiler-switch-2-way?c=17
(https://shop.kempermusic.com/media/image/bc/6a/99/21000002_1Zdn83G2cm2B5b_600x600@2x.jpg)
Quote from: Elantric on January 26, 2019, 09:05:44 AM
https://shop.kempermusic.com/pl/kemper/accessories/52/profiler-switch-2-way?c=17
(https://shop.kempermusic.com/media/image/bc/6a/99/21000002_1Zdn83G2cm2B5b_600x600@2x.jpg)
Only $100 US for two switches in a box with a stereo jack. Such a deal!
Its the price we pay to bath in the aura of prestige
Kemper logo golf shirts soon
this switch has been around for at least 2 years+... price at the moment is 60€ (69 $)
Quote from: yellow napkins on January 26, 2019, 04:13:25 PM
this switch has been around for at least 2 years+... price at the moment is 60€ (69 $)
Kemper US store has them listed at $100 US. Even if the exchange worked out to $69 for an EU purchase, shipping would drive it the rest of the way.
(http://nermark.com/reports/MBritt%20Profiles/MBritt%20fardiga/MBritt-aka-Dr-Kemper.jpg)
Interview with Michael Britt
http://nermark.com/reports/MBritt%20Profiles/MBritt%20profiles.htm
The new OS 6 will have two additional reverbs, not in the beta 5.7x release. Also two completely new effects will be included. There is a volume swell effect, with a compressor parameter to control sustain. And there's a new electric to acoustic guitar simulator.
It is an amazing time for Kemper owners.
OS 5.7.2.14219 has been elevated to release level. It has the 5 new reverbs.
Slowly but surely the Kemper gets better and better.
Yep! gonna download this weekend ;D
It is awesome as usual!
PROFILER Operating System 5.7.2.14219
Audio
changed: Input Swell improved in delay effects
fixed: signal flow issue of Spring Reverb under special conditions
User Interface
fixed: incorrect brightness of LOCK button under special conditions
PROFILER Operating System 5.7.1.14156
User Interface
fixed: REV module can be locked/unlocked while in focus
fixed: Delay Flutter Rate parameter not accidentally linked to Smear parameter
fixed: rare DSP errors caused by Looper
PROFILER Operating System 5.7.0.14099
User Interface
fixed: instant access knobs for Reverb Time and Reverb Mix dysfunctional
fixed: REV module button dysfunctional
changed: Scaling of the Mix control in Spring Reverb has changed compared to 5.6.2. If you had created Rigs or presets including Spring Reverb under 5.6.2, please readjust Mix.
PROFILER Operating System 5.7.0.14092
Audio
added: five new reverb types: Spring Reverb, Natural Reverb, Easy Reverb, Echo Reverb, Cirrus Reverb (corresponding reverb presets available for download)
added: all effect types available in all modules A - D and X - REV
changed: The former reverb types (Hall, Large Room, Small Room, Ambience, Matchbox) are consolidated into one type named Legacy Reverb conserving the sound of all Rigs and Presets. Legacy Reverb includes one additional parameter Room Size, which reflects the former reverb types.
fixed: parts of amp sound accidentally bleeding into cabinet sound while AMP module is switched off and CAB module is switched on
User Interface
changed: order of effect types
changed: parameter Del+Rev Balance moved into Rig Settings and renamed into DLY+REV Routing
changed: Factory content not completely included in operating system file (kaos.bin) anymore, just presets. Consequently Factory Rigs function in System Settings renamed to Factory Presets.
changed: Volume Pedal kicks in softer, more logarithmic response curve
PROFILER Operating System 5.6.2.13481 Spring Reverb Preview
Audio
added: new effect type Spring Reverb; open one of the Modules A-D and turn BROWSE knob to select preset REV Spring Fan. Refer to Quick Start Spring Reverb for parameter explanations.
https://sonicstate.com/news/2019/03/08/new-reverbs-for-kemper-profiler/
Some tasty stuff here!
I'm impressed, so now is possible to load 8 first class reverbs simultaneously? Try that with an AXEFX which has been updating periodically the cpu with the most powerful industry dsps.
how is possible the Kemper had that much horse power Hidden?
The Kemper is still on version 1 of the hardware. Based on the Virus series of synths, it is only a matter of time before Christoph Kemper brings out version 2.
In the meantime, he and his staff are adding amazing free upgrades to the user interface, editor, librarian as well as adding new effects. Not to mention the Kemper Kabinet with its new Kemper Kone technology.
Personally, I am working to be patient with these coming releases. It is not easy. But I expect the wait will be worth it. As for the V1 Kemper, its worth improves more every year.
Could not agree more. It's the best piece of gear I have ever bought ;D
ok - after hearing the latest Delays & reverbs .....I'm in
:-)
Quote from: Headless68 on April 11, 2019, 01:56:15 PM
ok - after hearing the latest Delays & reverbs .....I'm in
:-)
You won't be sorry :)
The Cab tech is over the top for me. I was already waiting on the Celestions, and due to the delay and delay and delay I knew Manufacturers were going to get preference. AND , I was very pleased to see and hear Kemper philosophy on it. Ice Power and Celestion Co Ax 12" drivers with Kemper literal active IR morphing using these as reference is Block buster. It surpasses Helix for now regarding integrated components in a sneaky way at a mutually beneficial way. Granted Helix might have a more complicated unit, but as usual Christoph just cuts like a hot knife in butter to the point with value and merit. I marvel at this guys insight and ability to go Nostrodomus on us daily.
I'm confident a Theile cab with the Celestions would perform as expected with Kemper versions. That just Pushes Helix and even Axe to just stay out of it for now. Ice power Amps is the edge up Kemper puts up. I can only see a Matrix Stereo single rack under or over an AXE FX III being a tick up, however, the floor control for AXE is pushing you to aftermarket regarding control and features not much different than Kemper itself. Helix floor is the capitalizing on the floor control, imho, however, beer spills really pushes you to shrink wrap your board, now your cool scribble strips are back to color codes for the most part. So its a very intereting time in gigdome, but man do I love it.
Quote from: jassy on March 08, 2019, 01:17:18 PM
I'm impressed, so now is possible to load 8 first class reverbs simultaneously? Try that with an AXEFX which has been updating periodically the cpu with the most powerful industry dsps.
how is possible the Kemper had that much horse power Hidden?
Christoph described as his business model having a reverse engineered model based on the engine and 'room' or RAM having a finite beginning and engineering their way to a fifteen year lifespan per se. Here he discussed revising code. As this was done room was created for more elegant introductions. Continued code revisions introduced more elegance. In other words the best code is the smallest syntax. Or shortest 'script'. He is hinging his longevity on his ability to refine and advance.
As elegant as the business model is (I tried my best to describe it) , he has proven it once in his synth platform, so its not a one shot mantra. Its a road tested proven business model.
That being said, my buddy who is a computer scientist guru (Stanford,CIA) confirms this romantic code romantiscism. So I'm deep into Christophs delivering and my buddy with his Arron Swartz, DOE, computer lab mind numbing discussions.
https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/ive-started-profiling-weird-sounds-with-the-kemper-sound-clip-inside.2043740/#post-28477542
Today was the first time I could play the Kemper since I got it - backed up (easy) - Firmware updated (easy) - grabbed some profiles (easy)
Interface is not too bad (way better than AxeFX II anyway)
Running through a Friedman powered FRFR
Reference amps sound really good - touch feel and volume clean up is very very good
Tone Junkie's 'Stu G 62 AC30' is epic
Effects - way better than I hoped for - loads of nice options and interesting parameters
...and more to come in the next firmware with acoustic sim & more verbs
Seems like there is along way to go to get my head around it all but my initial thought is this sounds better than anything else off the bat
Also - because I maxed the AxeFX cpu out in like 10 mins, I 'tried' to do the same with the Kemper - nothing seems to phase it - I loaded everything I thought would be CPU intensive at once and it just did it. Happy Days.
(disclaimer - still have the VG-99.......so far :-)
Great. I've been using mine for 6 yrs and haven't had any issues. Enjoy. I know I love mine and still play out regularly
Quote from: Headless68 on May 05, 2019, 12:14:25 PM
...and more to come in the next firmware with acoustic sim & more verbs
Also - because I maxed the AxeFX cpu out in like 10 mins, I 'tried' to do the same with the Kemper - nothing seems to phase it - I loaded everything I thought would be CPU intensive at once and it just did it. Happy Days.
Wow I did not know this, acoustic sim?, really? the evolution of the Kemper is being amazing, maybe in a near future we will have a synth module, coming from this company would be top quality.
As I said a bit earlier, this thing seems to have no CPU power limits, others have needed to update the CPU 3 times to be able to simultaneously use 8 high quality reverb modules and a first class amp + cab (yes you dont need 8 reverbs but its good to know that the power is here anyway).
(http://guyfletcher.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Kempers1200.jpg)
(http://guyfletcher.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/MK-13052019-by-Charlie-Spieker-1140860.jpg)
Mark Knopfler with Kemper
http://guyfletcher.co.uk/13th-may-2019-cologne/
QuoteMany people have commented or asked about what we are using for amplifiers for the guitars since the stage is devoid of such things, largely to accommodate the huge band. Some have guessed correctly, we are using Kemper profiling amps. Mark's long-serving guitar tech, Glenn Saggers along with Mark (when he wasn't in Edinburgh with me preparing the Local Hero musical) has devoted much of his time in the past 6 months to recreating Mark's unique sounds has done an amazing job. This switch from 'real' amps to digital devices is not for the feint-hearted and it wasn't without its doubters. Now we are up and running and more than two weeks into the tour, we are all on board with them. They certainly allow for incredible separation in both in-ear monitors and front of house system. The sounds are amazingly responsive and malleable.
Good god I would not have recognised him...
saves a fortune in head bands though ;-)
Quote from: Headless68 on May 18, 2019, 02:26:35 AM
saves a fortune in head bands though ;-)
I heard that! (with the ears on ma big bald head)
Actually, that's why he needed headbands.
Kemper just released a Beta they are calling OS Version 6.0.
Quote
While the preparation of the new effect selection screen, other features, and numerous fixes are progressing and right on track, we want to take the opportunity to publish two additional sophisticated reverb effect types asap: Formant Reverb and Ionosphere Reverb. Details are explained in Addendum 6.0. There are also 30 additional presets available based on these two new reverb types, which can be imported pressing "Factory Presets" in System Settings after the upgrade.
We have decided to call this new revision "6.0" and the next revision including all other enhancements "7.0". We don't expect this interim step to cause any delays regarding the release of 7.0.
https://youtu.be/rB0jtakoo4o (https://youtu.be/rB0jtakoo4o)
First gig done using the Kemper - honestly the best live sound I have had live (xlr L&R to front of house & monitor out to Friedman ASM-12 FRFR behind me).
Using Kemper remote the morph function is really cool also, even just using it to go from normal to solo sound settings and adjusting multiple parameters is a breeze to configure and use.
Next gig tonight :-)
(Note: the band are taking the pi55 out of it, 'is that an old military radio?' - 'Did that come off a Boeing 747 dash?' )
Kemper firmware V6.0.0.14574 released (5/20/2019)
PROFILER Operating System 6.0.0.14574
Audio
added: two new reverb effect types Formant Reverb and Ionosphere Reverb
NOTE: In order to import new presets based on Formant Reverb and Ionosphere Reverb, press "Factory Presets" in System Settings after the upgrade.
Kemper has just announced its new Profiler OS 6.0 with two new reverb algorithms that add a different string to the system's bow. The Ionosphere and Formant Reverb ar enow available via the OS update.
Kemper Profiler OS 6.0 – Ionosphere & Formant Reverbs
"Big studio machine-grade reverb effects" is how Kemper describes the new Ionosphere and Formant reverbs. These two definitely aren't your regular, spring, plate and hall reverbs. Far from it! What you are getting here is two high-end, sound design style reverb algorithms that go off into the distance and beyond.
Formant Reverb
The Formant Reverb adds formant filters to the existing Cirrus Reverb to give the reverb tail more colour. There's a, well, choral character that sounds a little like a vocal formant. It sounds lush – maybe this would be perfect for your Prog Metal band...
Ionosphere Reverb
The Ionosphere Reverb is based on both the Cirrus Reverb and Formant Reverb. It goes in a weird, orchestral direction, with pitch and shimmer reverbs. This is achieved via the two pitch shifters embedded into the reverb engine to give it a crystalline quality. Epic stuff indeed!
The update is available now from Kemper. See the link below for the free update. You can also hear the two new reverb algorithms being demoed in the official YouTube video below.
Make sure you have the Kemper Rig Manager 2.1.74 to update your OS.
https://youtu.be/gjjcdfbUZZs
Hold on to your hats, Kemper shared a teaser out of left field, and everyone thinks it's a floor model!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpCbk7guLPY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpCbk7guLPY)
Man that could be awesome... I guess we'll all know soon enough :D
That would make me buy a second Kemper for sure
Their best kept secret for sure!!! Awesome !!!
Looks like some folks knew, perhaps.... The Kemper Proton? Great guessing game.
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/431060564290474/ (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/431060564290474/)
Sure does. The suspense a the suspense
In stock as well?
https://www.kemper-amps.com/wbb_suite_3/index.php?attachment/9204-img-20190720-080515-897-jpg/ (https://www.kemper-amps.com/wbb_suite_3/index.php?attachment/9204-img-20190720-080515-897-jpg/)
I saw that early this morning. I'm even more excited now :P
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/2904218756319027?s=684622069&v=e&sfns=xmo (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/2904218756319027?s=684622069&v=e&sfns=xmo)
Man that looks Freaking amazing. My lord!!!!!!
(https://www.gearnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Is-this-the-new-Kemper-Profiler-Floor-Unit.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/g02Dtpb7/Screenshot-2019-07-21-09-44-59.png)
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Would appear this new Kemper floorboard lacks the CAT5 Ethernet connection of the larger Kempers
The Kemper CAT5 implementation had been for the Remote footcontroller - so I imagine no great loss
Word from Thomann is 1299 euros, which is about $1456.97 or thereabouts.
Unless there is some as yet unknown caveat, I'm buying one ASAP. I applaud this very well kept secret, maybe we'll wake up one morning to a new VG1000😉
Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 21, 2019, 12:09:39 PM
Word from Thomann is 1299 euros, which is about $1456.97 or thereabouts.
Unless there is some as yet unknown caveat, I'm buying one ASAP. I applaud this very well kept secret, maybe we'll wake up one morning to a new VG1000😉
Luckily this has SPDIF IO
Allows VG99 to perform Guitar Modeling , then connect to Kemper Stage via SPDIF ( as many already do today with VG-99 and Helix
There are more details now
On Kemper FaceBook page
1799 euro or about $1999 usd
No usb audio.
Same as profiler
Available for purchase Wednesday
https://www.musicradar.com/news/kemper-finally-releases-the-profiler-stage-floorboard
It's a full blown profiler + remote for $1700 !!! Great deal!!!
https://www.kemper-amps.com/stage (https://www.kemper-amps.com/stage)
https://shop.kempermusic.com/gb/kemper/profiler/56/profiler-stage?c=17
(https://i.postimg.cc/PxjFPHb6/Kemper-Stage1.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/QCbgN9hb/Kemper-Stage2.png)
I just ordered one ( on the list) from Sweetwater. Should make it on the first shipment they'll get tomorrow to go out on Wedfnesday
Sweetwater just confirmed $1700
Already own a rack and I love it. I was contemplating a second Kemper rack. Now I want a Stage. The two combined will be formidable.
I am hoping that Stage can operate as a slave as well as a master when connecting via S/PDIF.
My UA Apollos can operate as slaves, so I can connect a single Kemper via S/PDIF. But two Kempers can't connect to two Apollos via S/PDIF because both need to be set as masters.
This also makes connecting two Kemper Rack or Toasters via S/PDIF a problem.
If the Stage could operate as a slave, these issues would be resolved.
I could connect the rack and Stage in series without an extra conversion step to create a monster. And I could connect both my Rack and a Stage to my two Apollos via S/PDIF.
That would give me an external loop before the amp stack for wahs, overdrives, fuzz, etc., and two loops for time based effects post amp stack.
Or I could mix preamp only rigs in the rack with power amp only rigs in the Stage.
Quote from: scratch17 on July 22, 2019, 11:58:38 AM
Already own a rack and I love it. I was contemplating a second Kemper rack. Now I want a Stage. The two combined will be formidable.
I am hoping that Stage can operate as a slave as well as a master when connecting via S/PDIF.
My UA Apollos can operate as slaves, so I can connect a single Kemper via S/PDIF. But two Kempers can't connect to two Apollos via S/PDIF because both need to be set as masters.
This also makes connecting two Kemper Rack or Toasters via S/PDIF a problem.
If the Stage could operate as a slave, these issues would be resolved.
I could connect the rack and Stage in series without an extra conversion step to create a monster. And I could connect both my Rack and a Stage to my two Apollos via S/PDIF.
That would give me an external loop before the amp stack for wahs, overdrives, fuzz, etc., and two loops for time based effects post amp stack.
Or I could mix preamp only rigs in the rack with power amp only rigs in the Stage.
Agreed!
SPDIF Input is useless if:
A: The target receiving SPDIF device can not be set as Audio Slave, and can NOT extract wordclock from the received SPDIF data stream
or
B: The Target receiving device lacks a built in real time SPDIF Sample Rate Converter to allow external SPDIF streams to be converted to accommodate the internal Master Clock of the target device.
Pro gear often includes separate Wordclock BNC I/O jacks
https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/application_note/group0/c5/67/84/35/7e/4c/4c/19/DM00431633/files/DM00431633.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.DM00431633.pdf
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/743164-ua-apollo-s-pdif-sample-rate-conversion.html
Wow, only slightly over 10lbs. Love it!!!
Quote from: admin on July 21, 2019, 02:55:15 PM
Luckily this has SPDIF IO
Allows VG99 to perform Guitar Modeling , then connect to Kemper Stage via SPDIF ( as many already do today with VG-99 and Helix
It would work with the VG99, but I think the Kemper lacks the routing flexibility to really make full use of the potential of the VG99.
In my setup with VG99 and Helix, I have three sound sources: channel A, channel B and the direct signal from the guitar., which I like to combine and layer in many ways building my patches.
For me the ideal Kemper would be either a new model with multiple amps and much more routing options, or a very small profile player, that is midi controllable, that I could add to one of the loops of the Helix.
I do think Kemper will sell many of the stage units, as it will appeal to many users. But for my needs it does not fit the bill.
Could you use an external clock to overcome the limitation of only operating as a master?
So for example, you have 2 Kempers which only operate as master. You set both up to operate at 48 khz and as master with S/PDIF sources.
Now add an external clock that can operate as a master or a slave. Connect each of the Kempers to the external clock with each connection having the clock operate as a slave. Could the clock resolve any differences internally between each of the S/PDIF streams so that S/PDIF could be passed between the two Kempers?
Kemper 1: Set as master @ 48 kHz (S/PDIF out) --> external clock
Kemper 2: Set as master @ 48 kHz (S/PDIF out) --> same external clock
Clock resolves differences and sends each Kemper S/PDIF even though it is operating as master.
@sixeight said:
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the Kemper lacks the routing flexibility to really make full use of the potential of the VG99.
Potentially, the new software that is coming might allow a Kemper Rack or Toaster to use the S/PDIF I/O as an external loop. There are two external hardware loops on the Stage; one on Toaster and Rack.
Note that loop 1 on the Stage can also be used as an extra external mono output and/or and external stereo input.
Since Kemper has confirmed that any profile is fully compatible with any model of KPA, there will need to be a way to use a profile created with the two loops on the Stage with a Toaster or Rack. So the Rack and Toaster will have to be able to add the functionality of a second hardware loop to the profile. I would think that a firmware update might allow the Rack or Toaster to use some I/O as a second loop.
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a very small profile player, that is midi controllable, that I could add to one of the loops of the Helix.
All Kempers are MIDI controllable. That's how my RJM MMGT10 controls my Kemper Rack.
Quoting G-String (Kemper rep) on the Kemper forum:
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Strange that they don't mention the editor at all in the marketing material?
you over interpret here.
before this entire discussion drags on and on, let me fill everybody in on a couple of details. the majority of our engineers is on holiday right now. we've hoped to get things done before the holiday season started but as you can see, we didn't manage. at the same time, we don't want to release a beta version of something as big as the Rig Manager Editor and have no engineers at our disposal. i'm sure you'll understand that. so, when everybody is back, we'll finish things up and you'll get a beta. until then, enjoy the summer, enjoy your guitar. it's the most beautiful time of the year ...
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MICHAEL WAGENER'S STUDIO
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wagener
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10217874711046684&set=a.1316999532317&type=3&theater
the VG-99 replacement = Just as a Hex PU and use one Kemper for each string !
Wow, that's a dreamland of a room! Mr. Nordegg I presume?
Looks great. That would be a sweet unit to have.
6 Kempers for 6 strings. HMMM....
From the Stage spec sheet:
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Digital Inputs and Outputs PROFILER Stage
S/PDIF Input/Output 44.1/48/88.2/96 kHz (24 bit)
with RCA phone connectors for coax cables
(master or slave)
Woohoo!
PROFILER Operating System 7.0.0.14828
Audio
fixed: Rig X-Fade Time issue
User Interface
added: integrated effect select screen including effect category, type and preset selection (TYPE & BROWSE)
added: Replace/Store As/Rename menu when storing effects presets
added: display name of effect preset recently loaded
added: power meter for models with internal power amp (PROFILER PowerHead™ and PowerRack™) on page Power Amp of Output Section
added: Input Noise Gate received an additional soft knob in the Input Section and can now be morphed. Consequently, Reamp Sens moved to a new second page.
added: export all effect presets to USB memory stick (folder Shared)
added: function to delete all snapshots at once
added: holding UNDO/REDO withdraws/recovers all edits
added: Performance Up/Down can be assigned to analog switches and corresponds to Performance Load setting
added: assignment of Up and Down buttons of PROFILER Remote can be switched
added: Morph Button can be controlled via MIDI CC# 36
added: <PAGE> can be used to navigate through Slots of Performance similar to left and right buttons of RIG Navigation Cross
changed: MorphPedal to Wah and MorphPedal to Pitch activated by default
changed: soft button label External Storage changed to USB Stick
changed: Wah Pedal and Pitch Pedal follow Morph Pedal controller more tightly, if linked.
changed: global option Group of 5/Single Rig maintained during restart
fixed: accidental Rise Time when triggering Morphing via Rig Buttons
fixed: accidental Transpose value displayed in Rig Settings
fixed: analog switches with Rig Up/Rig Down assigned not switching between KEMPER amp and reference amp in PROFILER Mode.
fixed: accidental locks after returning to Browser Mode, if Rigs were selected in Performance Mode before
fixed: Performance scrolling continues, if Tuner Mode gets activated during scrolling.
fixed: storing Rig previwed via Rig Manager overwriting Rig loaded before
Known Issues
The function "Factory Presets" is still missing.
Morph settings not immediately audible, but require a move of the Morph Pedal.
Beta may not be used for Profiler Stage
I'm updating firmware on my Kemper Toaster + Kemper Remote floor controller
This is the very first time things went smoothly, mostly because prior update attempts I would
Step 1 ) Install the KAOS.BIN firmware update into root directory of a 32GB USB Drive on my PC,
Step 2) With Kemper Powered OFF, Install the USB Drive into rear USB Host post on Kemper Toaster.
Step 3) Power ON the Kemper
^^ Above procedure never worked
Despite reading the official Kemper update procedure in prior manuals , I only recently discovered the proper method is:
Step 2 ) insert the USB drive from Step #1 - WHILE the Kemper is ALREADY POWERED ON!
Step 3 ) Follow the LCD prompts and press the Button above the Kemper LCD to Initiate the Firmware update procedure.
Finally the update procedure works
I also have the Kemer Remote connected to toaster via Ethernet, and its firmware also updated too - and now the toaster in System settings can adjust the LCD contrast and brightness of the Remote floor controller too.
thanks to the video below !
https://youtu.be/ushEZNpLrFo
My Kemper-GR55 family
(https://i.postimg.cc/k67n3nHB/My-Kemper-Rigs.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/k67n3nHB)
Gr55 is in a drawer below Kemper Toaster
(https://i.postimg.cc/Hr1RP6RL/Kemper-Stage-Remote.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hr1RP6RL)
The Expression pedals, for the Stage, are on a hinged shelf on top of the GR55
Click on pictures for larger view
Still haven't figured out how to make pictures larger ???
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Still haven't figured out how to make pictures larger ???
Nice setup. To share full size pictures, copy the direct link from postimage.org and paste it between the image tags: [ img][ /img ]
Thanks I'll give it a try :)
Putting two expression pedals on top of the GR55 is actually quite clever. Are there hinges at the back?
Some Bigger Pictures
(https://i.postimg.cc/nhXxr51q/Kemper-Stage-Remote.jpg)
Yes the shelf is hinged. I made both pedal boards out of Ultra-light plywood. So the board adds very little weight
I only use the espression and control pedal on the GR55 so it works out well. I'm making a plastic cover for the other GR pedals, so I don't accidently turn on the looper
Each pedal board has a mount for a mic stand pole, so it's pretty self contained
I must say, the Kemper effects are extraordinary.
https://youtu.be/OdJuLH8L9oE (https://youtu.be/OdJuLH8L9oE)
Acoustic Simulator close to release. Stunning sound!
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/532075271039640/ (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/532075271039640/)
Have to admit . This sounds pretty convincing
Pretty darned good steel string from a 1/4" output magnetic pickup.
It does sound really close to a steel string acoustic guitar. In fact I'd guess that in a blind test with a blind audience having no prior knowledge of what type of guitar was playing you'd fool at least 70% of the audience.
Overall the sound lacked a little of the bass component of the sound of my Taylor 710BCE. But the middle and high range sounds produced a very realistic chime that an acoustic steel string guitar produces that I've not heard with other acoustic sims.
The demo was obviously using a Kemper Kabinet. The Kabinet is supposed to automatically recognize the acoustic sim and switch to FRFR.
Of course the string gauge and windings on the electric might affect the overall sound too.
And the cabinet did not appear to be close mic'd.
Christoph Kemper says that the Kabinet cannot be close mic'd. And in FRFR mode I am not sure that the bass boost is available.
While I take him at his word, I suspect that some combination of the right mics and a mixer might actually produce a good result for close mic for recording purposes.
I also want to try varying mic placement at mid distance and angle. As well as a mid side setup with a ribbon Parallel to the bacfle to pick up the 'in the room' quality with a hypercardiod small diaphragm picking up the whizzer. at a close distance.
The ribbon would be placed parallel to the Kabinet's baffle to pick up room reflections. And the small diaphragm would be placed on axis to the wizard cone.
If this worked it would allow me to record combinations of DAPs with the Kabinet with imprints in recording situations.
I also believe that placing the Fishman Aura preamp between the Kemper output and the power amp could potentially improve the sound. There are various acoustic sims of acoustic guitars available on the Aura that can make a small acoustic sound more like a jumbo for example.
Then is the possibility that the Universal Audio Woodworks plugin inserted between the Kemper and power amp will improve the sound as well.
Even Melodyne Studio's EQ matching function might improve the already excellent Kemper acoustic sim.
Another variable might be the frequency range, frequency linearity across its range, output level and output loading of the
magnetic pickup used. For example, the Cycfi NU2 is a full range low impedance pickup.
I suspect it can potentially reproduce a more realistic frequency curve than a standard mono magnetic Hi Z pickup.
Note that with a NU2, you can use the Kemper to implement non real time re-pickup. Each string could be tweaked to optimize to its most realistic tone.
And if you could get a spot on acoustic sim you could create a hybrid 12 string guitar using Melodyne's pitch sifting function.
I want to combine a six string mag in standard tuning. Then I'll add that has a really realistic six string acoustic with an acoustic voice up an octave and mix the two voices on a string per string basis.
Ok, now I'm confused. I got the impression from discussion on TGP forum that one could not have the Kone processing and regular Kemper cabinet emulation active at the same time. Is that actually correct? If it is correct and the Kabinet cannot be close miked, how does one provide FOH signal in a live situation?
You can use the Kabinet as your personal monitor and use the regular Kemper cabs to front of house
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You can use the Kabinet as your personal monitor and use the regular Kemper cabs to front of house
Ah, thanks. That's exactly what I would have hoped. I'll have to re-read TGP forum and figure out what they were really talking about.
Go to Kemper forum plenty of info there
QuoteI'll have to re-read TGP forum and figure out what they were really talking about
and divide by 2 anything you read over there
Quote from: admin on March 22, 2020, 06:12:47 AM
and divide by 2 anything you read over there
Heh. Goes without saying!
I put a few clean profiles on the Kemper forums from my Randall LB103 SuperV channel: https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?thread/48721-a-few-randall-lb103-superv-clean-ish-profiles/
Thanks will give them a try
https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/554734242087862/ (https://www.facebook.com/kemperamps/videos/554734242087862/)
sounding pretty good..passable in a live band situation
https://youtu.be/ilKux53Mqy4 (https://youtu.be/ilKux53Mqy4)
Kemper has just released the OS 7.5 for its Profiler and an updated Rig Manager 3.0. This latest update bring new features and capabilities to the whole system, including an Acoustic Simulator.
Kemper Profiler OS 7.5
The new Kemper Profiler OS 7.5 adds an Acoustic Simulator, Phase Widener, Delay Widener, and an Autoswell, function, whilst the updated Rig Manager Version 3.0 adds a new Library management system and more detailed Rig editing features.
(https://www.gearnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kemper-Rig-Manager-3.0--1024x607.png)
Kemper Rig Manager 3.0
New Effects
I think the new Acoustic Simulator will be handy for live work, as it allows you to turn a regular electric guitar into an acoustic, perfect for those short acoustic passages mid set. The Phase Widener converts a mono signal into a wide stereo signal, and the Delay Widener, which isn't mono-compatible, delays one side of a stereo signal by several milliseconds to thicken the perceived width of a stereo delay.
The Auto Swell effect mimics a volume pedal swell based on the string attack, and uses a Swell Rate that controls the time of the swell, allowing for up to 4 seconds. The built-in compressor helps with the note decay, once it has faded in.
Other Enhancements
Other updates include a set of Low Cut and High Cut Output Filters that will affect all of the Profiler's main outputs. There is also a S/PDIF Slave Mode, which essentially allows the unit to slave to an external clock.
Overall, I feel this isn't a ground shaking update with tons of new features. However, there are a few nice additions such as the Acoustic Simulator, and the minor tweaks make it a more versatile unit both live and in the studio.
As with any OS update, make sure you back up all your work before you update. You can follow the link below and head over to the Kemper site to update now.
https://www.kemper-amps.com/
Kemper Drives are here, finally!!! Beta 8.0
Table of Contents:
Kemper Drive
Kemper Drive Presets:
Ibanez® TS808*
Marshall® Blues Breaker Mk I*
Horizon Devices® Precision Drive*
Analog Man® King of Tone*
Klon® Centaur Gold*
Boss® OD/SD*
MXR® Timmy*
FullOC
Awesome , Can't wait to give them a try
https://youtu.be/Qrm2b9PvoXY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIqP3Ds5Clo&feature=emb_logo
Interesting how some companies try to disguise what they're modeling by calling it something different than it is (to avoid lawsuits?) while others are just in your face "tube screamer", "marshall plexi" etc.
I posted a profile of my LynchBox on the Kemper forum:
https://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?thread/53711-lynchbox-profile-dokken-night-by-night-merged/
It was made using the settings I use for the song Night By Night
https://soundcloud.com/lespauledspresets/night-by-night-profile-demo
Kemper Editor - IOS app in the App Store today
I just downloaded it and got it to open in demo. Hope to try with my Stage tomorrow
In order to use it with non Stage versions it needs to be connected to the net with an ethernet cable.
I use the editor in my pc, so I dont see it specially useful unless you dont have a computer and have an Ipad.
I hope they can implement the possibility of connecting a wifi adapter to the usb port and thus be able to use the edition with the iPad via wifi in live concerts or in rehearsals where it is not easy to connect it by ethernet cable.
Quote from: aliensporebomb on October 20, 2020, 08:28:57 AM
Interesting how some companies try to disguise what they're modeling by calling it something different than it is (to avoid lawsuits?) while others are just in your face "tube screamer", "marshall plexi" etc.
If you're a big fish, you can expect legal claims if you use trademarks of other companies. For sueing smaller companies/individuals the benefits
wouldn't outweigh the legal costs. Smaller identities are way less likely to get sued.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160605103131/http://www.wikpa.org/Tutorials
What are the effects like in the Kemper? Their website has some demos and the demos sound pretty good. Some interesting stuff!
Looking at the manual there's not a lot of space devoted to tremolo. Are there any slicer vibes or sequencing going on in the Kemper?
I don't use a ton of effects, but I find them excellent
Over the years they keep adding and updating them
More Tremolo, and slicer effects, have been asked for and could be added
Same here. When I used a modeler, I used a bunch of effects to get the sound I wanted. With the Kemper, I usually only use a delay on morph, and a little reverb. The only others I really use is a noise suppressor (when needed) and compressor (when needed).
For clean tones, I sometimes use a chorus for that classic 80's sound.
If you require lots of FX, Kemper will disappoint
If you seek high quality Stellar guitar tone with high quality guitar FX, the Kemper Stage is the one to get. It's the only model with variable input impedance when using the fuzz effect, and it's CPU is much faster, and includes built in WiFi Access point, for wireless iPad Editing using Kemper Rig Manager - way faster & efficient vs the sluggish GX-100 wireless BTS editor on iPad.
Have to agree with admin on this. Can't use a ton of effects at one time. But the quality is excellent.
Switching is quick and you can't beat the Amps
Thanks for the responses.
I don't use heaps of effects but sometimes you chance upon something different and it sparks an idea.
I like the look of the Stage. Just one piece of gear on the floor that covers everything.
One crazy question please. Can you profile an effects box? Or the signal chain that includes that effect?
No, but the Stage has 2 effects loops.
You can only load one profile at a time, but you can profile dist/od effects in a chain
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on July 03, 2022, 04:10:00 PMHave to agree with admin on this. Can't use a ton of effects at one time. But the quality is excellent.
Switching is quick and you can't beat the Amps
Maybe I should have added the following post here instead:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=34876.msg257505#msg257505
Really nice Kemper updates!!!
https://youtu.be/k0QqQ4D-DVE