Amplitube Tonex Pedal

Started by mchad, January 26, 2023, 03:55:04 PM

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vtgearhead

I'm glad to hear folks coming around to positive feelings about the Tonex.  I use mine mostly for practicing at home with headphones and have no plans to replace my Kemper + Kabinet for stage use.  After a bit of tweaking the sounds and pick response are really, really good.  But, as others have pointed out, the software is just short of awful and it's lacking in terms of built-in EFX.  I have to believe that IK will eventually offer a full-featured unit with the expected bells and whistles. 

Elantric

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I expect the same sales path as all other IK Multimedia products , a menu of software plugins sold individually which triple the initial cost of ToneX . - a bit like Eventide H9 sales model.

I notice huge gaps in the Tonex FX - zero modulation ( Tremolo, Chorus, Phaser), and I figure all amps exhibit high compression - thus no need for a Compressor FX model 

But frankly I'm excited Kemper added USB Audio I/O.

But I find myself practicing guitar with my Spark Mini and Bluetooth YouTube playback , with my phone as my most used home gear- while a tube guitar amp and a few mini FX  pedals work for my  live shows - I have several 4 hour live gigs  this summer. Seeking better tone is no longer a pusuit. Becoming a better guitarist and getting my fingers to learn new muscle memories at live improve occupies my time  .

Bill Ruppert

Still loving this box!
Comp and reverb are excellent. All my favorite amps are loaded in now. A+++
It is all I am using for guitar sounds now.

Elantric

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on July 04, 2023, 11:12:32 AMStill loving this box!
Comp and reverb are excellent. All my favorite amps are loaded in now. A+++
It is all I am using for guitar sounds now.

What aspect of Tonex makes it superior to Kemper?

Bill Ruppert

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First, I love the Kemper!
What I love about the ToneX is the small desktop size and the feel.
It just feels great to play.
Not sure if it is the reverb or something else, but it just feels very easy to play.
Other units feel stiff when A/Bing.
I do know how, but it does capture some dynamics as well as compression. There is a capture of a Boss CS-1 online, and it IS compressing even with the ToneX comp off.
I did some captures of compressors and it does some strange, interesting stuff.
Sometimes it also does a weird time thing, adding a very subtle ambience.
All in a very good way. Much of these things may be adding to easy playing feel.
(This could also all be in my head...but as long as it feels good, I play it!)

The plate and room reverb are beautiful, and the compressor is very transparent.

Elantric


Christophersad

Quote from: admin on January 28, 2023, 09:32:10 AMHigher cost DSP required - becomes tough to compete with known competition above $1k

They already tried in 2007 with the STOMPI/O - that required a Mac/Win laptop as a host
https://web.archive.org/web/20071106144337/https://www.zzounds.com/item--IKMSTOMPIO


Well,the stomp io is "just" a modo pedal with an interface,isn't it ?

ktat

I bought one to hopefully augment my SY 1000.  I've never had such a hard time with a software interface as this, and I've been using the Roland editors since VG99.  I can use their tonenet to demo amp models, edit, and save them when selecting my Focusrite interface and plugging a guitar straight into it, but I can't seem to do this selecting the Tonex pedal itself while plugging a guitar directly into it.  This makes it difficult to test in the context of my rig.  I've spent hours trying to get it working when I could have been making music.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm sick of trying to figure it out. 

Bill Ruppert

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Tonex for IOS is FANTASTIC and far better than anything out there.
Using the AUM I get the latency down to 4-5 ms and I can stack multiple Tonex captures together.
Then pan or what ever.
AND Tonex for IOS is FREE.
 

Bill Ruppert

Quote from: ktat on March 14, 2024, 01:53:02 PMI bought one to hopefully augment my SY 1000.  I've never had such a hard time with a software interface as this, and I've been using the Roland editors since VG99.  I can use their tonenet to demo amp models, edit, and save them when selecting my Focusrite interface and plugging a guitar straight into it, but I can't seem to do this selecting the Tonex pedal itself while plugging a guitar directly into it.  This makes it difficult to test in the context of my rig.  I've spent hours trying to get it working when I could have been making music.  Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm sick of trying to figure it out. 
KTAT Did you switch the Tonex pedal to interface mode.
All the work is done on the computer and then that gets dumped into the pedal. In interface mode you use the Tonex pedal the same way you do the Focusrite.

Elantric

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Quote from: Bill Ruppert on March 14, 2024, 03:55:51 PMKTAT Did you switch the Tonex pedal to interface mode.
All the work is done on the computer and then that gets dumped into the pedal. In interface mode you use the Tonex pedal the same way you do the Focusrite.

Like id be able to do that to tweak Tonex patches at a Live gig soundcheck;)

I see this as a studio tool. But at a live gig I'd  much prefer my Kemper  or any other gear with hands on Editing during live performance

ktat

Thank you.  I did not, but will try it!  The help is sincerely appreciated

Bill Ruppert

Quote from: Elantric on March 14, 2024, 04:00:01 PMLike id be able to do that to tweak Tonex patches at a Live gig soundcheck;)

I see this as a studio tool. But at a live gig I'd  much prefer my Kemper  or any other gear with hands on Editing during live performance

??? You can tweak all the patches at a gig with just the pedal. You can swap cabs adjust comp, reverb, where the eq is set frequency wise all via the front panel. Just like the Kemper. Also, you have all the tone controls and gain right on the front panel.
To capture you need the computer as it is AI based and takes time. It is deadly accurate.
Then you load that into the pedal.

whippinpost91850

Quote from: Elantric on March 14, 2024, 04:00:01 PMLike id be able to do that to tweak Tonex patches at a Live gig soundcheck;)

I see this as a studio tool. But at a live gig I'd  much prefer my Kemper  or any other gear with hands on Editing during live performance
Agree right now Kemper, is the one , that works for me Live

ktat

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on March 14, 2024, 03:55:51 PMKTAT Did you switch the Tonex pedal to interface mode.
All the work is done on the computer and then that gets dumped into the pedal. In interface mode you use the Tonex pedal the same way you do the Focusrite.

Well thank you Bill, that did the trick!  With the Tonex pedal in the loop of the SY1000 I can now audition stuff with ToneNet.

Now I'm having trouble figuring out the input/output controls in the software vs the input trim within the pedal.  It seems as if they are working together, kind of...  Any insight on this would be helpful if you are willing.

I have clean, breaking up, and lead tones I've been using with SY1000 for years.  I'm really just looking to better them, either with better amp/cab models or more likely add a layer to them for depth.  Using Tonex, or anything really with the divider in SY works for this.  I tried a Friedman IRX for this and sent it back because I felt it wasn't really any better than any Marshall Model readily available for the price.

The whole Tonex ecosystem to me is just awkward.  After getting ToneNet going I felt overwhelmed by the vast collection of amps.  Most of which I thought were horrible.  I was almost ready to give up again until finding "TJ 18 watt Custom" which really added a great layer to my breaking up tone.  There certainly is a plethora of incredible demos on line.  Finding those sounds in ToneNet seems to be a different story.

Because I'm happy with SY1000 on pretty much every level and use it for effects, Tonex seems like the right add-on for me.  And the price point works.  I think anyone considering it should know it's not real intuitive. For me anyway... 

I have no real amps to capture, so if anyone has good models to recommend on ToneNet that would be wonderful!



Bill Ruppert

ktat GREAT!
Glad you got it working.
Yes the software is a bit hard to understand at first but once you find a working method for your own needs it gets easy.
I just use the software to capture my gear and audition sounds. You can do even audition sounds on the iPhone real easy and then jot down what you want to transfer over.
Any editing of the sound I do on the pedal, and that is easy as it gets once you go through it.
It's just a different architecture than other gear and takes a few minutes to grasp.
There really needs to be a simple video put out to walk folks through it. At least for what you really need to know.

Hey, the amps in the SY-1000 are top-notch, king of the hill, as good as it gets to my ears.
If fact, I captured all my boss stuff into the ToneX.
Boss amps are so overlooked and are at the top with all the units out there. I can make a SY-1000 sound like anything out there.
I do wish it had an IR loader, as once in a while I need that paper speaker edge of the cone sound. It's not my favorite sound but can make things sound more raw or real. It's a brazz up around 5k. The Tonex is great for that.

I agree, a lot of the captures and profiles I hear are not my cup of tea. I can't believe people use them, but it's a big world, and we all like different things.
There have been some fantastic captures put up lately, and I will make a list for you to check out.
 

ktat

I totally agree about the SY1000 amps!  I've been into layering amps lately and sometimes do this using the sy instruments set to guitar, but feeding their amp section with only my normal pickups signal.

The problem is not being able to put effects in front of those "instrument amp blocks."  I need a traditional "things in front of the amp" setup, or in this case in front of multiple amps.  If I could use the divider to split the signal before 2 amp blocks I would not need an extra device. 

I thought of a Kemper profile player, Hx stomp, Friedman irx (which I actually tried) and tonex.  For what I need it's the best and cheapest choice.  If I get 3 outstanding amps out of it for the price I'll be happy. And I think I have 1 already. 

I think this video of this guy playing his own captured amps sold me.  https://youtu.be/aXIRAHes6Ps?si=6hw3gGQQ3XTSV0cv