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http://www.amazon.com/Gittler-Synth-Guitar-13-pin-Roland/dp/B00PIUMBS6/ (http://www.amazon.com/Gittler-Synth-Guitar-13-pin-Roland/dp/B00PIUMBS6/)
Gittler Instruments is proud to announce our release of a new, better engineered D13 cable.
We were tired of buying very poor quality cables to use with our instruments and felt that our customers deserved something that was consistent with the superior MIDI tracking guitar that we sell.
The cable is 1/4" Dia. and contains 13 conductors of 26 AWG high purity 99.95% OFHC Copper in a braided Aluminum shield. Ends are locking, assembly-type with GOLD PLATED pins and grounding to barrel - and here's the best part...one end is a right angle so it get's out of the way when you want it to. You can check out the diagram for specific pin orientation and I can post some pictures on Monday when I am back at the office. This is a very high quality cable that we designed to preserve the integrity of the audio signal and you will notice the difference!
We offer the cable in both a 12 ft. length for $64.95 and an 18 ft. length for $79.95 and it is NOW SHIPPING
Go to www.gittlerinstruments (http://www.gittlerinstruments) and get yours while they last!
Russ Rubman
Gittler Instruments LLC
Looks exiting! Is that angled plugg latch or no-latch?
I'm interested.
Locking
Been waiting for one. Have you done anything special for ground connection and is the straight connector locking?
What do you mean by "special"? It's grounded to barrel and has an Aluminum braid shielding. Very low noise floor. Both ends are locking.
what about possibility of 2 right angle plugs? Grounding using just the connector shell has allways been somewhat problamatic with noise and static
QuoteWhat do you mean by "special"? It's grounded and has an Aluminum braid shielding. Very low noise floor. Neither end is locking.
There is not much that can be done with cables to improve Ground. (While GK-13 Female DIN jacks are another story! - see below)
But there is a difference in the Male Plug type with respect to the design implementation of the 13 pins
DIN13 Male plug with Superior Machined Pins
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vs Stamped folded metal Pins as used on recent Roland GR-55 13pin cables (these are really bad quality)
Suggest read the excellent article / interview of Richard McClish of RMC pickups
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8187.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8187.0)
Quote13-pin DIN Connectors and Cables
The DIN-13 is not a military or medical connector by any means. For Roland at the time, the new and simpler format was a cost-cutting measure and a size-reduction of the previous 24-pin nightmare. This connector is based on the circular DIN series which is very appropriate for home entertainment and laboratory use (where people read manuals, take their time, have sufficient lighting and gently wipe things a lot . . .) but leaves to be desired in sturdiness when a team of Godzillas are running wild in front of a wall of Marshalls and mild explosives. Fortunately, heavy metal activists usually aren't great MIDI guitar affictionados and most of us can survive with the current connector.
Unfortunately however, I recently found out that there's a new (and cheaper) DIN-13 cable plug on the market and Pacific Rim cable manufacturers are using it a lot. It has stamped pins whereas the previous one had machined round pins which were much stiffer, straighter and rounder, and didn't grab the insides of the DIN jack.
You see, the stamped pin is actually a piece of sheet metal that's been folded into a tube by a huge automated tool. That's fine unless the forming of the end of the pin is incomplete (an overlooked tool & die problem) and there are three or four little prongs ready to bite into anything that doesn't align perfectly with the pin or has a surface which is softer than the pin material. This condition is visible with a little magnification (or younger eyes, more light, whatever . . ).
I can't do much about curing this plug problem, other than caution users to be smart and gentle when connecting these cables. Inspect the parts before you mate them for the first time. Make sure the pins are straight and that the point isn't bigger than the pin (miniature filing contests may arise). Don't force the plug into the jack. If the plug won't go in all the way into the jack and/or won't lock in place, check for an obstructed receptacle (hole) in the jack. A paper clip or other piece of wire (with a rounded end, please . . ) can be used to check the state of each receptacle and gifted individuals have been known to sometimes open the obstruction. I know this is surgical in nature, and don't mess with it if this is not your idea of fun.
I don't want to upset anybody. If your gear works, then you don't have to worry about it. It's simply something you're better off knowing about in a timely manner.
For strain relief, I suggest looping the cable around the strap or something equally subtle to prevent tugging on the connector when a foot is misplaced or other significant pull force is exerted on the cable during a performance. I believe there's a good opportunity here for marketing a guitar accessory. As a matter of fact, don't hesitate to post product ideas. We all benefit in the long run.
For reference:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3132.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3132.0)
Remember the GK-13 interface is flawed IMHO - using only ONE Ground Connection for all Analog signals , +7V/-7V distributed Power Supply Reference, and Control Voltage reference, using Only the large round chrome circular Shell on the DIN 13 connector for the crucial ELECTRICAL GROUND connection to the GK-3.
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The "achilles heel" weakest link is the tiny mating electrical contact finger for the large round Shell 'Ground" connection on the female 13 pin jacks on your guitar, GK-3 or VG-99, GR-55. If this important electrical connection is flaky - you will have problems just as you are currently experiencing ! (see yellow circle below)
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Also -try to locate a spare GK-3 and different 13 pin cable and see if those correct the problems you are experiencing.
This video explains all the above problems.
http://youtu.be/oWw61T8xB44 (http://youtu.be/oWw61T8xB44)
A few folks modify all their 13 pin gear to use pin #9 as a 2nd Ground connection, but that voids your warranty.
All Metal Chassis Mount Female 13 pin DIN jacks solve this Intermittent Ground issue due to a 360 degree all metal contact area for the Male plug.
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Gumbo sells a version that accepts the Roland locking plugs here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8888.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8888.0)
What I'd like to see is gold plating on the pins,both jack and socket.
I'm interested.
I'm interested.
I'll be ordering one of each length when they're released.
Thanks!
I would buy a least one 20' cable. probably a few more once I am satisfied.
Count me in for one 12' cable.
I'm in for the long one.
Ditto on the long one.
Count me in for two
Would like to see a picture of the right-angle plug so I can estimate spacing for a couple of projects.
Hi Sashua,
A cable specification would be appreciated. Perhaps a resistance and capacitance comparison with a 3M Roland cable. A 2M Roland cable has a resistance of around 0.30 ohms, and a OFC cable with a generous amount of copper, offers a resistance as low as 0.08 ohms.
I am very interested in the screen properties too. Can you post a photo of the cable broken down into its component parts...cable anatomy I suppose? If your cable does offer a better screen/shield, it still will not be able to prevent cable movement noise. The annoying cable noise can only be remedied by screening each signal core, and doing so would make the cable diameter around 15-18mm.
I think we're all looking for an improved 13P cable, so can you please post some facts and evidence?
Here's my take on the cable by the way. Regards, Bill
POWERED GK CONCEPT CABLE 2011 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU7_gZzBHII#ws)
Hello Bill,
Your cable is obviously a far superior creation but, honestly, I am not looking to re-invent the wheel here...just make a few small improvements to an existing design that is mediocre in function.
I have not taken any of the measurements you request. In addition, I only have two cables in my possession at the moment, so cutting them up isn't really something I want to do just yet. These are prototypes supplied as pre-tooled first articles. I have the liberty now to make some small changes before committing to a 1000 piece minimum order.
For instance....I can coat the pins with gold or I can change the connectors to locking ones.
Personally, I am not a fan of the locking connectors and I don't know that Gold will make any real world difference but I am very open to the people here weighing in on the subject. I want to produce what people want to buy and so I hope that many of you will weigh in here.
Please take a look at the attached picture.
Would also like to know if 12 ft. and 18 ft. are, indeed, the two most desired lengths.
Not looking for personal favorites here but trying to determine what the two most popular lengths might be if I can only choose two.
Locking is preferred for me, on both ends. I will be interested in the 12ft. Length, but I can understand the 18ft. will also be popular. You also may wish to consider a right angle version of the latest GKP2 cables, as they already seem popular, before their release.
Hi Sashua,
Thanks for the photo and angle on the new cable. Gold plated pins sound like a good idea, and will help fight the oxidation war. One 13P right-angled and one straight sounds like the best of both worlds to me? How about a plastic cap accessory to fit over each connector when not in use? This would help further minimize oxidation, dust and debris. I use small electronic component bags to cover my connectors btw.
Can the connector be disassembled for easy maintenance etc? How about providing a spare 13P connector as part of the package - should only add 2-3$ to the price? In an ideal world, it should be possible to maintain a 13P cable for several years or so.
Best of luck,
Bill
I like the look of it and certainly would love a right angle connector, but I would prefer locking connectors both ends as well. The long one would be my choice.
my favourite would be: one side angled, one side straight, both sides locking. Length: I use 3 and 5 and 10, depending on situation.
I don't mind if connector pins are gold-coated or not.
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It would appear you are using molded in" 13pin DIN male plugs on each end of the cable - if this is true its important to mention this "feature" to buyers..
If I used that on the guitar side, I'd cover up the humbucker output on my LGXT, which I do use on occasion. On the GR-55 side, it would only partially cover up the guitar out jack. I think I'll stick with the straight ones.
I don't know about your LGXT as I do not own one but the GR-55 is no problem. The plug's pin orientation makes the angle and cord face the right, not the left. It will not block anything at all on the GR-55. I suspect the same would be true of your guitar.
Elantric, I take it from the quotes around the word "feature" that you are not a fan of molded plastic connectors? Let me know if these are preferable. They are a no cost option to me.
QuoteI don't know about your LGXT as I do not own one but the GR-55 is no problem. The plug's pin orientation makes the angle and cord face the right, not the left. It will not block anything at all on the GR-55. I suspect the same would be true of your guitar.
This will block a 1/4" jack on most Godin's
Godin xTSA shown below ( similar to LGSA/LGXT)
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QuoteElantric, I take it from the quotes around the word "feature" that you are not a fan of molded plastic connectors?
Molded 13 pin Cables are not user repairable - zero interest here.
QuoteLet me know if these are preferable. They are a no cost option to me
These recent pics of your alternate 13 pin DIN plugs are much preferred vs molded on type.
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But the main issue will be the actual cable type and its internal shield , and test for susceptibility to induced microphonic handling noise during stage movement.
http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/print/cable_anatomy_101_key_factors_to_keep_in_mind (http://www.prosoundweb.com/article/print/cable_anatomy_101_key_factors_to_keep_in_mind)
Shielding
Cable conductors need to be shielded from noise, of which there are two common types. The first is handling noise, in the form of cracking, swishing, scratching, popping, buzzing or humming sounds.
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Top to bottom: Braided shield, spiral shield, foil shield with drain and a snake cable with foil shield. (click to enlarge)
Handling noise can be heard with the cable plugged in but no source audio present. This can be due to substandard electrical termination at the connectors, worn or partially broken center conductor, or inferior wiring in general.
The actual cable construction and the relationship between inner conductors, shielding and outer jacket also affect handling noise.
The second type of noise is interference, of which there are two common types: RFI (radio frequency interference) and EMI (electromagnetic interference).
RFI can be caused by very high radio band frequencies. (You might actually hear a radio station through your system, or high-pitched squeals or hiss.)
EMI can be caused by electromagnetic fields that can emit low frequencies. These fields can surround transformers, power lines and other devices that use or transport large amounts of electrical current. (It's also often heard as hum or buzz.)
Three primary types of shielding are employed to combat these problems: braid, spiral and foil. In terms of cost, braid shielding is the most expensive, involving copper strands woven into a braided pattern around the center conductor's inner jacket.
The braided approach works best with microphone cables because of their low inductance. (Inductance is the storage of magnetic energy. Magnetic energy is stored as long as current keeps flowing).
Spiral shielding is more flexible than braiding, and is commonly used in guitar cables. A drawback to spiral wrap is that, like a slinky in motion, one side compresses while the other separates. It's through these separated strands that RFI can enter.
To compensate for the rejection loss of RFI, sometimes a secondary shield is added, using carbon as a semi-conductor. This is generally effective over very short distances.
The carbon is not a solid sheet, rather, microscopic bits of carbon mixed into another, more flexible material (usually a plastic composite). The bits of carbon conduct current from bit to bit.
Foil wrap shielding is the least expensive shielding method, and some provide full 100 percent coverage. It can be very effective against RFI.
A drain wire runs next to the foil, providing a way to terminate the foil at the connectors, and is a technique is most often used in the construction of snakes. (Note: The drain wire runs along the foil shield to provide a means to connect the foil shield to the connector. The drain wire itself doesn't actually do much shielding at all.)
Thanks to everyone here I have managed to learn enough about what the public demands. I have made some final design changes and you can all thank yourselves for your input because you can now have what you want (or at least most of it).
Please take a look at the attached print and see the pics below. I had our factory cut some of the cable so you can have a peek inside.
let me know if there are any last comments based on this info but, if not, we will have this cable in 12 ft. and 18 ft. lengths with locking connectors (one at right angle) and gold plated pins.
This is a good solid cable from all I can tell.
The gold plating added a little cost so final pricing for the cables will go up by a few bucks. I will make the announcement once the cables are nearing completion.
The Foil + Spiral Shield will provide good rejection of EMI / RF
FWIW: "AWM STYLE 2464" - refers to compliance with a UL specification "APPLIANCE WIRING MATERIAL" page 2464
link here:
http://data.ul.com/link/stylepage.aspx?style=2464 (http://data.ul.com/link/stylepage.aspx?style=2464)
and you have 26 gauge wire
There may be a concern for the stiffness of the cable, may not be as flexible as my #1 choice Mogami - but there is more $$ involved
http://www.mogamicable.com/category/bulk/snake/ (http://www.mogamicable.com/category/bulk/snake/)
Well I can't speak to that as I don't know the Mogami stuff but I can tell you that I have one here in my hands and it is very, very nice in that regard.
Good attribute - many folks will complain if the cable is too stiff.
The true real world GK Cable Cable test would be:
* If you wind the cable into a 0.5 meter diameter circle for storage, is there a "memory effect" and the cable no longer lays flat the next night when used at the gig?
Then find a 13 pin guitar and use your new 13 pin cable, feed a VG-99 or GR-55 set to a high gain Heavy Metal COSM Guitar patch, and feed a pair of QSC K12 powered speakers at Rock Stage Volume (invite your local John Bonham type drummer for a jam) and test for:
* Is there any microphonic induced noises when the cable is moved, or bounced or swung around like a jump rope during your performance ?
* Is there any microphonic induced high pitched howling feedback, that manifests when performing at full high SPL volume levels in excess of 100db.
Find a Les Paul or Strat with GK-3 (or Fender Roland GC-1) that has its normal PU signal sent down Pin #7 of the 13 pin cable.
Do an A/B Comparison of your cable with the official Roland GKC-10 10 meter cable,
http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/91 (http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/91)
Is there any human ear perceptible change / difference in the quality of the normal PU audio signal?
move the guitar mounted GK-3 three way"Guitar/mix/Synth" switch to Guitar and have Guitar volume turned full up.
On the GR-55, Select the "Lead" style. Then select these presets:
GR-55 Preset 30-1 For Normal PU L1 = for Normal PU L1
GR-55 Preset 30-2 For Normal PU L2 = for Normal PU L2
GR-55 Preset 30-3 For Normal PU L3 = for Normal PU L3
Elantric,
I don't have the ability to do that testing on a short turnaround basis as I am knee-deep in bass guitar machining for the new Gittler bass If I send you one of the two prototype cables I have here, would you be willing to run it through it's paces and give me your honest opinion privately so I can correct whatever you find lacking before buying 1000 cables?
Bear in mind that the sample will not have the locking connectors or gold pins.
-Russ
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QuoteI am knee-deep in bass guitar machining for the new Gittler bass
In 2014 , 5 string Bass seems the most prevalent / popular in my travels - suggest skip the 4 string bass and go for a 34" scale length 5 string Gittler Bass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_length_(string_instruments) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_length_(string_instruments))
QuoteIf I send you one of the two prototype cables I have here, would you be willing to run it through it's paces and give me your honest opinion privately so I can correct whatever you find lacking before buying 1000 cables?
Sure!
See Your PM Inbox
This may sound unorthodox but we are actually making 4 string and 6 string basses (as well as an EUB)
The spine rod of our instrument does not play well with a traditional 5 string spacing. Even numbers are our friend and uneven numbers are our adversary unless we do a more radical re-design...which is not in the cards at the moment.
12 ft is fine by me. I don't need gold connectors. I am ok with non-locking IF the connector doesn't come out easily. It looks perfect for my Carvin, but you will also want to check it on a mounted GK-3 to see if it has enough clearance.
Put me down for one 18ft. I like the idea of one angle and one straight. I agree that the locking feature is flawed and a significant weak point in the Roland design, so I actually prefer non-locking. I like the idea of caps, and perhaps include a storage container, or spool for the cable. I use a velcro loop strap to attach the cable to my strap - a sort of break-away cable securingce. It has been my experience that rolling and unrolling the cable for storage takes as much, or more toll, on the cable than stage use. I use a velcro loop strap to attach the cable to my strap - a sort of break-away cable securing device. On a less technical side, colored-cable options might also prove useful.
Looking forward to placing an order - thanks!
Agree with rhcole, 12 feet (or 15 feet) is ok. My playing arenas are not so big. Like 90 degr in one end. If the angle is not 180 degrees right I just rotate my GK-Kit installations 180 degrees (4 screws and a twist of the socket in the guitar). Don't need locking since the cable will be tightly secured under my guitar strap (don't wanna stomp at it). I hope you sell to Europe or get some distributor over here.
Gittler Instruments LLC has designed and built a new superior Din 13 cable in order to respond to the lack of a high quality version on today's retail market. We produce a guitar that is a superior MIDI tracker and our customers have demanded a better quality cable to take full advantage of this. We responded to the call and these cables will be completed and ready to ship in approximately 3 weeks!
Some of you may have been following here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11243.msg82033#msg82033 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11243.msg82033#msg82033)
Our own Steve Conrad (Elantric) has reviewed a production cable that we supplied to him and has provided the necessary input for us to fine tune its specifications to a far better degree. Below you can see a list of the cable's specifications as well as a compatibility list provided by Steve (thanks Steve!) who has now given the cable a rousing endorsement after passing his quality tests standards.
Our cables are available in 12 ft. and 18 ft. lengths.
High Purity OFHC Copper 99.95%
External Cable: 2.256" Dia.
Internal wire: 26 AWG, 13 different colored jackets
Aluminum Shielding braid
One end right angle, locking, assembly type
One end straight, locking, assembly type
Grounded to barrel
All Pins Gold plated
The right angle plug is great but not for all rigs. It will not insert into the following gear so the other end may be utilized:
* Roland VG-99 (due to recessed GK Input 13pin female Jack)
* Roland VB-99 (due to recessed GK Input 13pin female Jack)
* Roland GK-3 (due to recessed GK Output 13pin female Jack)
* Roland GK-3B (due to recessed GK Output 13pin female Jack)
* Roland GK-2A (due to recessed GK Output 13pin female Jack)
* Yamaha G1D (due to recessed GK Output 13pin female Jack)
* Axon AIX-101 (due to recessed GK Output 13pin female Jack)
The following products are compatible with the right angle 13pin DIN Plug:
* Roland GR-20 GK Input
* Roland GR-30 GK Input
* Roland GR-33 GK Input
* Roland GR-55 GK Input
* Boss GP-10 GK Input
* Fender/ Roland Ready Strat GK Output Jack
* Fender/ Roland GC-1 Strat GK Output Jack
* Brian Moore iGuitar GK Output Jack
* Carvin Synth Access GK Output Jack
* Gittler Guitar GK Output Jack
and these Godin models are also compatible (however the right angle plug blocks one of the other adjacent 1/4" Output Jacks):
* Godin xTSA
* Godin LGX-SA
* Godin LGXT
* Godin Multiac
Pricing for the cables is as follows:
12 ft. length: $64.95
18 ft. length: $79.95
Shipping is $5.00 domestically by Priority Mail. International shipping will be quoted individually by country.
The cables will be available for purchase on the Gittler Instruments website as of Wednesday afternoon at www.gittlerinstruments.com (http://www.gittlerinstruments.com)
You may also e-mail me directly through the VG Forums and I can issue a Paypal Invoice.
Delivery is about 3 weeks and we are right on schedule.
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions and hope to get a cable into your hands soon!
Cables are now available for sale and have been upgraded (at no additional cost) based on your suggestions.
Look here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11647.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=11647.0)
Cable now ready for order at www.gittlerinstruments.com (http://www.gittlerinstruments.com) or PM me!
Available NOW for purchase at www.gittlerinstruments.com (http://www.gittlerinstruments.com) or PM me.
Tried to purchase one, was able to select the 12ft. Option, but could not find a way to put it in a cart and buy it.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 07, 2014, 11:30:07 AM
Tried to purchase one, was able to select the 12ft. Option, but could not find a way to put it in a cart and buy it.
Also had problems ordering. Wouldn't calculate shipping.
Sorry,
Will sort this out with site maintenance and it will be fixed by tomorrow.
Odd,
I just tried it myself and it worked just fine.
Maybe give it another shot and if it fails then just PM or E-mail me and I'll send you a Paypal request.
Anyone else? I expected that there would be a lot of interest considering the demand I have seen for this over the years. I think we have 5 orders so far, all told ???
Quote from: sashua on July 07, 2014, 03:00:04 PM
Odd,
I just tried it myself and it worked just fine.
Maybe give it another shot and if it fails then just PM or E-mail me and I'll send you a Paypal request.
Anyone else? I expected that there would be a lot of interest considering the demand I have seen for this over the years. I think we have 5 orders so far, all told ???
PM and e-mail sent as I still can't get the site to calculate shipping to No(r)way.
Still no "add to cart", but I am trying this with an iPad, so I'll try with a laptop.
Quote from: thebrushwithin on July 07, 2014, 06:51:17 PM
Still no "add to cart", but I am trying this with an iPad, so I'll try with a laptop.
Doesn't work using an iPad. Mac or PC required.
Quote from: sashua on July 07, 2014, 03:00:04 PM
Odd,
I just tried it myself and it worked just fine.
Maybe give it another shot and if it fails then just PM or E-mail me and I'll send you a Paypal request.
Anyone else? I expected that there would be a lot of interest considering the demand I have seen for this over the years. I think we have 5 orders so far, all told ???
Don't be discouraged sashua, it's early in the game and a lot of VGer's probably haven't seen this yet. I would order a few of them RIGHT NOW, but I'm out of work, and the money is too low to do anything but pay bills.
As soon as I'm back on my feet though, I WILL be ordering a few of these. :)
I just ordered one of each from a Win7 machine running Firefox. No problems.
Only issue I ran into is, I logged into the website, did all the order info, it transferred me to PayPal but, after I was done with PayPal, I didn't see any obvious way to get back to the Gittler site so, I GUESS I'm done with the order and it's complete, but it wasn't all that clear.
In the past, when I've done orders like that, there's been a "Return to da site yous was just at" link, after the PayPal transaction is completed.
sashua do you ship to Canada?
your shipping calculator give me this message when I enter my zip code to know the shipping fees :
"There doesn't seem to be any available shipping methods. Please double check your address, or contact us if you need any help."
I just want the infos, I'm planning to order soon... if it's possible! ???
Shipping out of the U.S. can't be calculated automatically. The price for shipment to Canada is $12
We are going to modify the back-end of the website by Monday to include shipping to foreign destinations.
Thanks for your patience.
CABLES ARE IN STOCK AND SHIPPING IMMEDIATELY AT THIS POINT.
Sashua, thank you for the quick answer!
QuoteCABLES ARE IN STOCK AND SHIPPING IMMEDIATELY AT THIS POINT.
Sasha,
Will you be sending the tracking info, for those of us who have paid for the cable, or, do I need to submit another email request?
Thanks,
Mark
Note that we added Gold plating, locking connectors and assembly type construction and there will be no price increase :D
I received my Gittler cable today. I will report more when I gig this coming weekend, but I already am very insecure about it. It is locking, but there is no release mechanism for the lock - just brute force, to disconnect. I am hoping Sashua can tell me where the secret release button is. I have a double right angle Kenwood style 13 pin that works great, but both end connectors have a lock release button, which I find to be essential to cable longevity.
Quotebut there is no release mechanism for the lock - just brute force, to disconnect.
Actually - the Right angle Male Plug does have a release mechanism - you must grip the sides (see red circle) of the right angle Male DIN Plug and press in direction of red arrow to operate the release mechanism.
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Thanks Steve,
Sorry guys, in my rush to get these out to everyone I neglected to include a small instruction sheet to explain that.
Steve, your cables are shipping out on Wednesday.
Great, Thanks!!!!
Great cable. Suits my Black Strat perfectly.
While I feel the quality is exceptional, I do not like the lock release on the right angle. Maybe it's just me, but I have to use two hands to disconnect it. One hand to press toward the guitar, and the other to pull it out. I would have preferred a traditional button release, as it is on the other end. Anyone else have this problem?
All right angle 13 pin DIN Male Plugs are a bit awkward to operate the "Lock release" mechanism.
When mine arrives I'll shoot a video on how to operate.
So, uh, would the people who buy this cable be correctly called "Gittlerovtsy"?
Just curious.
tried the link to gittler website......got the message that this domain name has expired. What gives ? is this 13 pin cable just some sick joke ?
We had a case of fraud occur. The company credit card was compromised and then frozen by the bank. When GoDaddy tried to bill us...nada....and so instead of calling us or sending us a cancellation pending notice - they just promptly removed the site without so much as fair warning.
This was followed by several people politely asking what was wrong...and one idiot accusing me of perpetrating a "sick joke".
I have seen multiple posts over the years here. People wishing that a right angle 13 pin cable were available. I decided to take up that call and I invested in tooling and a fairly large minimum run of cables made to superior specifications.
I asked for feedback from people here and I made all the changes that were recommended to me..on my dime. It took a village - and the end result is very good.
Apparently, however, the darkness will prevail no matter what good you try to do in this world. No matter how honest you are or how dedicated you are to running a clean and positive business, you can be rest assured that there will always be hateful loudmouths pressing forward to the vanguard and voicing their vitriol for all to witness.
Days like this really reinforce the fact that we are, at best, a third rate country with our best years behind us. Every time innovation occurs, the haters come out to criticize, the legal community sees dollar signs and the manufacturing and service communities stop working right after the first billing cycle.
Very sad indeed.
Sashua, I saw that and am sorry someone subjected you to such a rude comment. Is the site back up and running?
It is indeed.
sashua,
Sorry you had to suffer that type comment - particularly since your company has invested considerable time and effort, listened and responded to end users requests - even retooled the Gittler controls to add all the important GK-3 Vol and S1 & S2 Switches.
But know we do have more "window shoppers", here who remain on the fence with all 13 pin products, as they browse here daily to find any horror stories.
Human nature is tough on social internet forums, and its a fact bulk of Electric Guitarists tend to feel empowered by the "Lord of the Fly's / 3rd grade bullies in the school yard" syndrome, where anything that looks atypical and intimidating and fearful, ( like MIDI Guitar ) gets destroyed, for short term self endorphin rush.
My apologies for my rude comment. >:( I have just started to follow this great forum and did not know of gittler's past.) I was interested in his 13 pin cable and when I tried to learn more I got "this domain name is no longer valid", I thought "oh no, not another scam". and was disappointed that I could not obtain this superior cable. There is a web site now and if he will let me , I plan to buy this cable (if I had checked a few days earlier or later this would not have happened.)
Just a note to say thanks to sashua. I received my 2 cables today.
I did notice the problem with the 90 degree connector and in fact, it is still stuck inside my GP-10.
Not worried though as I will examine my second cable and figure it out tomorrow as I'm too tired tonight. Very long day at work and I'm feeling clumsy and don't wanna screw up.
Just a heads up to anyone plugging the right angle connector into the GP-10. I also noticed that the right angle connector body is too large to fit into the GK-3 on my WW2 Strat.
I also have a GC-1 Strat and GR-55 at my band's rehearsal studio so I will try the cable this weekend on them. The hope is to use the right angle connector on the GC-1 which looks to be a perfect match.
Thanks again sashua for the fast delivery
Quote from: Elantric on May 14, 2014, 07:06:39 AM
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It would appear you are using molded in" 13pin DIN male plugs on each end of the cable - if this is true its important to mention this "feature" to buyers..
Quote from: sashua on May 09, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Gittler Instruments is proud to announce our release of a new, better engineered D13 cable.
We were tired of buying very poor quality cables to use with our instruments and felt that our customers deserved something that was consistent with the superior MIDI tracking guitar that we sell.
The cable is 1/4" Dia. and contains 13 conductors of 26 AWG high purity 99.95% OFHC Copper in a braided Aluminum shield. Ends are locking, assembly-type with GOLD PLATED pins and grounding to barrel - and here's the best part...one end is a right angle so it get's out of the way when you want it to. You can check out the diagram for specific pin orientation and I can post some pictures on Monday when I am back at the office. This is a very high quality cable that we designed to preserve the integrity of the audio signal and you will notice the difference!
We offer the cable in both a 12 ft. length for $64.95 and an 18 ft. length for $79.95 and it is NOW SHIPPING
Go to www.gittlerinstruments (http://www.gittlerinstruments) and get yours while they last!
Russ Rubman
Gittler Instruments LLC
Quote from: sashua on May 09, 2014, 10:58:37 AM
Gittler Instruments is proud to announce our release of a new, better engineered D13 cable.
We were tired of buying very poor quality cables to use with our instruments and felt that our customers deserved something that was consistent with the superior MIDI tracking guitar that we sell.
The cable is 1/4" Dia. and contains 13 conductors of 26 AWG high purity 99.95% OFHC Copper in a braided Aluminum shield. Ends are locking, assembly-type with GOLD PLATED pins and grounding to barrel - and here's the best part...one end is a right angle so it get's out of the way when you want it to. You can check out the diagram for specific pin orientation and I can post some pictures on Monday when I am back at the office. This is a very high quality cable that we designed to preserve the integrity of the audio signal and you will notice the difference!
We offer the cable in both a 12 ft. length for $64.95 and an 18 ft. length for $79.95 and it is NOW SHIPPING
Go to www.gittlerinstruments (http://www.gittlerinstruments) and get yours while they last!
Russ Rubman
Gittler Instruments LLC
I'd like to know how is flexible compare to Roland GKC cable or Carvin midi cable
is it have rubber jacket or hard pvc plastic, problem is we moving around on stage and don't want a twisting cable
Please let us know more about "flexible" cable
thanks
Well, I suppose I am biased (since I make them) but they are definitely not hard plastic. They are quite flexible.
Anyone else care to comment?
About the same stiffness as George L's cables. A bit stiffer than Planet Waves mic cables, but not much. Great cable.
My Roland cable eventually got a "twist" inside the sheathing (but still works). The Gittler seems a lot better quality. Good ends. I like the right-angle connector. No complaints.
Just got home from my first gig using my Gittler cables I received about 2 months ago. Initially, the right angle connector was stiff, especially when connected to my GP-10 however after many hours of rehearsals using both the GR-55 and GP-10, I can say the disconnect is now much easier.
Thanks forum for the advice and discovery of excellent products such as Gittler as well as my recently received Stompblox pedalboards.
Hey all. I see some members have purchased the gittler 13 pin cable. I see a few of you say it is great, i would just like to know if it get's rid of that irritating noise while moving the cable especially on higher gain patches?
Thanks
I would say it minimizes it. Depends on the condition of the 13 pin female, and where they lock. The construction of the cable, itself, is first rate, but if the female doesn't allow for good locking, then you will still struggle with that ground issue. This has been my experience, as one of my guitars has 0 issues, and the other is iffy, at best.
I bought 2 - 12 foot cables and use them regularly now for my GR-55 and GP-10.
No noise whatsoever when I gigged with them last month. My Roland cables have been tossed aside and use them only as spares.
Initially, the 90 degree connector seemed almost impossible to remove from my GP-10 but I no longer have that problem. Guess I got the hang of it but it is a solid connection.
The right angle head is great when plugged into my GC-1 Strat and probably the best reason for buying the cable.
On my GK-3 equipped Strat however, you have to use the straight end and the 90 degree connect barrel is a bit too large to fit in.
Delivery was no problem to Montreal, Canada.
Excellent cable and would not hesitate for a moment to buy more.
I just got a Gittler cable. It is a game-changer for me regarding 13 pin products. I had put away my 13 pin gear after having been embarrassed by cable noise at an outdoor concert about a year and a half ago. I also wasn't sure what wasn't working right- the guitar connector? the cable? the GP-10? more than one problem?
The Gittler plugs in and locks on my Godin and there is no noise, even if I tug at it or tap it. The rig is absolutely silent. Wow.
Buy one if you play your 13 pin out in public and can't afford the explosive pops and crackling from your Boss or other cable.
Now If you add Gumbo's Synth-Lynx GK13 jacks with the new ground contact crimps on the round shell connection to your Guitar and GK processor - all GK 13 cable movement noises and crackling are a thing of the past
SYNTH•LINX 13-PIN LOCKING JACK LAUNCH!
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8888.0
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I have to agree about the Synth-Lynx jacks. I now have them on 2 guitars and my GR55 and I have no noise. Great going Peter (Gumbo)
So, this is news to me.
What product exactly would go into the Godin guitar? What exactly into the GP-10?
I may consider having my tech look into it. If I do it, it will be so badly installed that other VG Forum members will start developing noise on their systems!
QuoteWhat product exactly would go into the Godin guitar? What exactly into the GP-10?
Contact Gumbo via PM
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=2189
( and read the forum more? ;))
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=recent
You know, it's remarkable-
I graduated from college with honors in electronics, and I couldn't solder a circuit board cleanly and had to squint to read schematics and study circuit boards. I can wire my own cables and plugs, but just barely.
Yet hand me a business plan or a set of financial plans, and I can spot the strengths and weaknesses without really even trying.
I guess that means that people who couldn't hack it as engineers become CEOs?
Quote from: Rhcole on October 28, 2016, 05:19:53 PM
I guess that means that people who couldn't hack it as engineers become CEOs?
...or consultants... ::)
...and thanks to All for the shout-out :-*
There are currently 11 different versions of the Synth-Linx Jack in production, to suit applications in GP-10, GR-55, RR Strat, GC-1 Strat, and a few more DIY areas...one of these days I'll stop long enough to re-write the original 'launch' thread.. ::)
Feel free to PM me with an email address and I'll send you a PDF of the current range and details.
Cheers,
Peter
Hey guys. I have had my gitler 13 pin 5m cable for well over a year and i am quite happy with it, there has been No noise to around 1 year, and a little electric cleaner fixed that, the release mechanism on the angled end can take some getting used to but once you learn the proper release technique its no problem. Now i have about 5 official roland cables collecting dust lol
I bought a high price gittler 13 pin 12ft for my GR55/strat/gk3 setup... I have loud popping at both ends with a light wiggle! right outta the package! :'( ... Anybody heard of another solution??? thanks
I can assure you the PRIMOVA GK Cables are THE best you can get, and at a very good price.
I use them myself, they stand up to live gigging use very well.
and are noise free.
http://www.primovasound.com/index.html
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I can attest to how good the primova cables are for live
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the Primova cables are fantastic!
I bought a few around 5 years ago, thinking I'd need a couple as backups.
I'm still using the first one, without any noise or issues.
I've purchased a couple of Gittler cables in the past, and have had good luck with them, but they were much more expensive.
Depending on where you live, the Primova cables may take a little longer to get shipped to you, but they are certainly worth it IMHO.
Quote from: okrocker on February 02, 2021, 05:20:55 PM
I bought a high price gittler 13 pin 12ft for my GR55/strat/gk3 setup... I have loud popping at both ends with a light wiggle! right outta the package! :'( ... Anybody heard of another solution??? thanks
Codesmart's cables ARE top notch....
...however, realise that you could have an amount of crap in your jacks themselves...if that is the case, no amount of expensive, better quality cables are going to fix the problem.
If the 'popping' does not result in any prolonged drop-out of a PARTICULAR string or function...or effectively cuts out EVERYTHING instead at that point, the problem is more likely to be the ground connection in the jacks themselves.
If the solitary 'spring'-loaded contact for the ground connection within the jack (which attempts to make contact with the outer face of the jackplug's shell) is not doing its business properly because of or dirt or oxidation or both, the only remaining path for the ground circuit is via the point where the locking pawl of the jackplug 'sort-of' connects with the internals of the Roland jack....this is hardly sufficient and DOES get affected badly by a jackplug that is permitted to wiggle about in the otherwise cavernous circular slot in the face of the Roland Jack.
(Enclosed admission of pecuniary interests, at this point)....
Solution(s):
Clean the Jacks and jackplugs PROPERLY before investing in more technologies without first diagnosing and fixing the problem(s)..
Also ask yourself how old all these components are, and when was the last time anyone cleaned them....
...and 'new' cables can fail the acid test straight out of the bag, if they have a surface coating of some oily substance that has been applied at the factory to 'stop' them getting corroded....
Read:-
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=26362.0
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3132.0
HTH
Peter
PS:-
One other 'little' thing....ANY 13-pin cable that relies upon crimping the outer screen of the cable in the jaws of the strain-relief part of the jackplug's internals, is JUST AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN...
This connection (which is the way the ground circuit is transmitted along the length of the 13-pin cable) should be SOLDERED...otherwise it's a reasonable bet that the quality of this connection will deteriorate over time with cable movement and general wear-and-tear... ...and I've also seen some cables to be deficient in this regard from birth...right out of the box...
Codesmart's cables never have this problem.... BTW... ...much thanks to Robert for initiating such a great product ! :-)
GK 13 cable Maintenance
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=3132.0
...and here is my periodic comment that I now have multiple Gittler cables and I have never had any problems at all with any of them. You do have to break them in a little, especiallly the right angle plug. This can be a one-handed operation as it is about feel and how well you have broken the cable in, not design.