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Title: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Charles5150 on December 15, 2012, 05:18:42 AM
Seems very convincing.....

http://www.jamorigin.com/

JamOrigin Midi Guitar Preview (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0MsBhC9TZs#ws)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2012, 06:15:42 AM
yes, it is convincing!
Its algorhytm is fantastic: I've hooked up my GR-55 parallel with the Midi guitar, and there are quite a lot of things the midi guitar can do better. it has better dynamics, it has less annoying open string behaviour (better trigtger algorhythm)
When you play with your fingers, you can put the prediction on 3 savely! in this mode the basstones from midguitar come faster than the miditones from the gr55. really ouotstanding considered the fact that Midi guitar has a audio buffer size to cope with..
I'll make a short video soon.




Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2012, 06:26:46 AM
here's a quick jam to show what you can expect when you try to play a bit funky, it is not bad for a piece of software!
http://youtu.be/G6S6XxPKbzA (http://youtu.be/G6S6XxPKbzA)

for comparison, here's my GR30 as midi supplier..
http://youtu.be/QmdKPNEnzNo (http://youtu.be/QmdKPNEnzNo)
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The gr55 scores in between, I've checked these findings with Midi monitor.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 15, 2012, 07:07:14 AM
This is very cool. It looks as though the developers have worked closely with those at the KVR forums doing beta testing (28 pg. thread and counting). Guitarpolson, your first demo seems to demonstrate awesome tracking and clarity over the second video. I had skimmed thru the KVR thread but did not read thoroughly thru it. One question I have about this is the expression and dynamics capability of this software. Have you worked with this at all. Do you know how it translates your playing in this manor, ex. soft touch to aggressive picking, Is this translated well?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2012, 07:11:30 AM
I know nothing about KVR..
But I do know that the dynamics from Midi guitar are TOO good sometimes.. I'll suggest a dynamics option to jamorigin, perhaps with treshhol combined. that would definitely rock!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 15, 2012, 07:19:34 AM
Could you maybe post a vid demonstrating the expression and dynamics ability. Their demo vids show a little but doesn't seem to focus much on this aspect.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2012, 07:51:17 AM
Here you are, mrchevy!
I've improvised a gipsystyle piece for you right now, with dynamics just from the fingers..
Plese note that Midi guitar doesnt support pitchbend yet, so piano playing is the best you can do with it now..
http://youtu.be/ygyRpEgbqY4 (http://youtu.be/ygyRpEgbqY4)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 15, 2012, 08:16:42 AM
For a more accurate comparison, the GR needs to be set to chromatic to match the JamOrigin's ability. It sounded like pitch bend was on in the GR demo. Pitch bend is a huge task in guitar-to-midi and that's why its missing in this early version.

JamOrigin looks like it uses a single composite analog signal (normal guitar output) and therefore results in a single midi channel. Pitch bending with two notes being played will cause a "garbled" or warbly tone when performed on a single midi channel. Hex pickups solve this by having separate midi channels per string. It will be interesting to see if they can solve this issue.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2012, 08:28:30 AM
Quote from: musicman65 on December 15, 2012, 08:16:42 AM
For a more accurate comparison, the GR needs to be set to chromatic to match the JamOrigin's ability. It sounded like pitch bend was on in the GR demo. Pitch bend is a huge task in guitar-to-midi and that's why its missing in this early version.
In the beginning of video the GR30 is in chromatic mode..
BUt if I was to make a real objective comparison, I would pan one synth to the left and 1 to the right. But it is not correct, musically to do so.. as a player you react to the (virtual) instruments response, if there are 2 instruments, I cannot play proper with either! So that's why I play each convertor separate..

the GR30 suffers lousy velocitydetection circuitry, tones come fast but die too late.. I'll fix this when i've got the time, it is an error in the GR30's design.

I think jamorigin will come first with more options for monosynth mode, that would make solo's with bends possible. And then they could automatically switch between mono and polymode, so Midi guitar will switch to chromtiac if chords are played, and to mono mode if 1 note is played at a time.

yes, I think guitar to midi will become very popular, because the app is cheap. anybody can use it now. And it will grow to be better and better.. Compare this e.g. to the behaviour of Roland! The gr55 is actually a slower converter than the gr30, which is a product 10 years older!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 15, 2012, 10:57:02 AM
hey guitarpolson, could you let me know how you are setting up your software I am having trouble getting mine to track as well as you.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 15, 2012, 11:22:02 AM
Guitarpolson, thank you for posting that vid. It does seem to respond well to touch dynamics. Pitch bend may or may not matter, depending on what voice or tone your using. You wouldn't pitch bend a piano voice but a synth, maybe. I don't recall, in the brief reading of the beta testing thread, if modulation could be applied, but if so, it could possibly be done with an expression pedal, could it not? I am somewhat of a newbee with the midi stuff but will be very interested in seeing what becomes of a full release version with demo's of what it can do. I wonder if they will load it with a good library of tones and voices. Maybe offer tone packs to buy separately or for expansion. Or is this software mainly meant to be used as a controller type application for various soft synths. Could this possibly be the paddle for the spanking Roland needs? I suspect being software, updates for improvements might be far more likely. I'll definitely be following it's development but with my vast knowledge of midi ;D, I wouldn't be much help in beta testing. 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Charles5150 on December 15, 2012, 07:44:48 PM
The piano video sounds amazing, unbelivable dynamics.

It's the first time I see a software artifact capable of being an alternative to Roland stuff or even Tripleplay ....
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 16, 2012, 02:21:49 AM
I'll describe my whole setup here:

MacBook Intel Core 2 Duo 2 GHz, 4 gigabyte Ram
I've used the gr-55 as an audio interface, because it is the fastest interface I have, and it offers the damperpedal at the same time..

GR55:
Direct monitoring: off!
no effects whatsoever, just 1 clean COSM strat that serves as input for Midi guitar.

Midi patchbay:  (great software! http://notahat.com/midi_patchbay/ (http://notahat.com/midi_patchbay/) )
I've made a virtual midi stream with controls from GR-55 and the notes from Midi guitar. So thats how I get the sustain pedal to work.

Midi guitar settings:
128 buffer, prediction 3, poly mode, default bright guitar, sensitivity way up to 90%
I actually used a COSM bright classic strat to feed into Midi guitar, by using the GR-55 as input device..

Kontakt 5:
96 Buffer, Steinway. Listens to virtual midistream with notes from Midi guitar and controls from GR-55

Finally, the resulting audio comes out of the gr-55, I connect it with a stereo DI (with groundlift) to the normal audio line in from my computer. System record select: line in. Then start iMovie and do something cool, you deserved it ")
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 16, 2012, 08:29:40 AM
I suspect improvements could be had using EQ in the GR55 to make a more rounded tone with less harmonics and more fundamental pitch. Also the noise gate and compressor could help reject light touch false triggers.

Interesting software. Make it run on a rack mount SSD based CPU and I'm ready to try it.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 16, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Quote from: musicman65 on December 16, 2012, 08:29:40 AM
I suspect improvements could be had using EQ in the GR55 to make a more rounded tone with less harmonics and more fundamental pitch. Also the noise gate and compressor could help reject light touch false triggers.
Yes, It would make sense for other converters, but "rounded tone" is not good for Midi guitar: its prediction depends on the overtones! I use prediction 3 and it doesnt degrade pitch recognition for me, it is just faster... I've measured the performance: with Prediction 3, the Midi guitar is faster than the GR55 on the low notes ( A and lower on 6th string), when I compare both as midi supplier on the laptop.
Play without nails, damp the open strings if necessairy, thats the best you can do.
Perhaps a noisegate will be implemented in Midi guitar, that would make sense in conjunction with a bit more sofisticated dynamics control.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 16, 2012, 10:43:29 AM
I got a chance to try out your settings with the software and it worked like a charm. used the GT-100 in USB dry out mode and it worked great. Now if I can just get it to behave in Forte 3 I will have program changes and midi control for live use. it tracks as well as my VG-99 guitar to midi and I am still going back and forth to decide how it compares to my GR-55. The 55 has more control over dynamics and string options so I think it wont replace the hole hex pickup technology but is still a inexpensive alterative for new comers to guitar synth.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 16, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
My point is that you can give the software what it wants  to improve triggering since you supply the analog and the GR55 can be used to enhance the spectrum that the algorithm needs. No two guitars are the same so there must be an ideal model their predictive pitch to midi is built on.

Compression and/or noise gates can control the dynamics of the analog which could help eliminate false notes.

I'd be curious what effect the analog source has on performance.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 16, 2012, 12:37:36 PM
Quote from: musicman65 on December 16, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
My point is that you can give the software what it wants  to improve triggering since you supply the analog and the GR55 can be used to enhance the spectrum that the algorithm needs. No two guitars are the same so there must be an ideal model their predictive pitch to midi is built on.

Compression and/or noise gates can control the dynamics of the analog which could help eliminate false notes.

I'd be curious what effect the analog source has on performance.

bd
yes your right!, actually i used the GR55's cosm strat's neckpickup for being extra bright! The brighter the better for Midi guitar, it seems..
Body resonance, however, is evil. Midi guitar dont like that, no sir!
I've hooked up a piezo spanish, it performs very good, only creates ghostnotes out of the body resonance. So there som eq'ing should do wunders! (Q out the body resonance should do the trick). I'll try this soon.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: tekrytor on December 16, 2012, 09:32:12 PM
I tried it...and it works with my cheap Radio Shack wireless. I'm sure cleaner is better though, so I'm curious if someone with a good wireless rig can test it. I had some latency much like the GR-55, and some occasional breakup. But it seems almost there, almost usable. I'm optimistic that they can do it. I think the computing power is finally there. IMO, this is good technology that will make it.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 17, 2012, 07:45:33 AM
Ok I got this thing running great and I think it is even faster than my GR-55. The only problem is getting the VST to receive midi messages from my GT-100. I am using Windows 8 is there anyone out there who can help?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mapperboy on December 17, 2012, 11:45:29 AM
Looking at JamOrigin's web...
is this ONLY avail as an apple or MacOsX app?
-m
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on December 17, 2012, 11:57:55 AM
No they have an IOS App too for iPad  / iPhone

http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/index.html (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/index.html)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mapperboy on December 17, 2012, 11:59:20 AM
OK me stupid,
Got it now, just couldn't see the link for the links for the links... ;D
Thanks,
-m
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Charles5150 on December 17, 2012, 02:09:25 PM
Just downloaded the demo for PC

Tried it with some Roland HyperCanvas patches, works like a charm and it's only a beta.....
The algorhytm for extracting polyphonic notes is amazing. Tried to fool it with some quartal six note chords, 13#11, altered dominants, slash chords, polychords....... no problem at all !

very, very promising
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: aliensporebomb on December 17, 2012, 07:34:41 PM
Downloaded.  Checking this out - report later.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 18, 2012, 06:10:46 AM
OK I got a real simple setup and it is working nicely (still don't know if I will use it for real, it's still an experiment). My Les Paul into my Samson wireless then into my GT-100. I have the GT-100 USB outset to Dry out only mode so the GT-100 only sends a dry guitar signal to my computer. I have a session of Forte 3 synth/VST host with Midi Guitar as a midi controller and the GT-100 midi serves as a midi controller for program changes and CC messages. You can not set up different sounds for different strings but you can control more than one VST and set the note range for each one. The software can effect the pitch sent to midi of the overall guitar but alternant tunings are not possible with this technology. I guess you could use the GR-55 in much the same way with the guitar out serving as the signal for the software but that would be a huge waste. I would recommend a JTV or that new Peavey guitar. but keep in mind the software wont recognize notes that are too low (I had no trouble with drop D but drop C was out of it's range). Now they are working on some stuff but it might be a while however they seem to be pretty quick with updates. So far this software is working well and for my needs it might do the trick because I can do so much more with VSTI's than I can do with the GR-55 for example harmony arpeggiator and impulse responses.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on December 18, 2012, 03:16:15 PM
Hi Everyone

I'm a developer at JamOrigin, and pleased to be here among so many enthusiasts.
Thank you for the overwhelming feedback and some very cool videos in this thread.

As you have noticed MIDI Guitar's real-time polyphonic pitch detection is a daunting project, but nevertheless our solution gets pretty close to hardware solutions already in its current beta stage. Perhaps surprisingly we have still got headroom for improvements - laws of physics just seem to obey.

We would like MIDI Guitar developement to be driven by you users and real needs. We are a small company with very limited resources, but please let us know what we can help solving your needs and improve it.

Best Regards
Ole Juul Kristensen
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 18, 2012, 03:20:30 PM
Quote from: JamOrigin on December 18, 2012, 03:16:15 PM
...
We would like MIDI Guitar developement to be driven by you users and real needs. We are a small company with very limited resources, but please let us know what we can help solving your needs and improve it.

Best Regards
Ole Juul Kristensen
Welcome Ole!
I hope we wont drive you crazy with too many weird ideas ")
keep up the good work!
Paul
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on December 18, 2012, 03:22:35 PM
Welcome  Ole Juul Kristensen!

Glad you joined our forum, and hopefully we can all provide necessary feedback to your very good MIDI Guitar application. 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 18, 2012, 05:12:59 PM
Yes, Welcome Ole Juul Kristensen, Its funny you should pop in here, I was just thinking this morning we should be sending you an invite to our forum since there seems to be a growing interest in your software. I have skimmed thru the 28 page thread at the KVR forum and found this very interesting. There is a really great bunch of enthusiast here and are EXTREMELY knowledgeable. You are guaranteed to get good feed back here. I myself am still somewhat of a midiot, but will be following with popcorn in hand. Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: tekrytor on December 19, 2012, 12:05:52 AM
Welcome Ole!
You might check out the statistics page for this group to get an idea of its size and volume of traffic, all around the alternative guitar solutions, VG/GR inspired and other relevant technologies.
We have eagerly and patiently (years) awaited such developments as your MIDI Guitar software.
Your company's ongoing interest in our interests is very much appreciated and will no doubt be rewarded with a supportive user base. I can also tell you that the members responding so far in this thread are not novices on this topic and our high marks on your beta version are an excellent indication that MIDI Guitar is on track to be a real winner. Congratulations!
PS, Elantric is our CEO and Supreme Negotiator for our group buys. Perhaps you can work with him to offer our members a nice introductory offer for the official release?  :D
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: utensil on December 19, 2012, 03:35:21 AM
Would just like to commend the developers of Midi guitar,  The software is incredible! , though I still find a small gap between the Gr-55's midi tracking and MidiGuitars (which is closing fast), Roland could really learn a lesson from JamOrigins interaction with their potential user base. I'm sure it will result in greater adoption and an overall superior product. Soon it may be possible to replace the Gr-55 with my macbook and a DIY wireless keyboard pedal, something the triple play promises (assuming I'm ever able to get my hands on it) but if this software can do the job that's one less battery to charge and one less pickup to install and some cash saved I can put towards software instruments.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on December 19, 2012, 08:48:00 AM
Thanks everyone! It feels like comming home :)

A very special thanks Guitarpolson for your thoughtful emails and the videos. Studying polyphonic pitch data all day long can be a bit of a drag, but to see people having fun with the software like this makes it all worthwhile.

We've been busy with very rapid updates to the software over the last two months but right now we decided to finally contemplate a bit about pitch bends. I think we can actually do multi-channel poly bends, but we will try to keep it simple with mono bends first to not confuse those users less experienced than you guys with multi channel setups.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 19, 2012, 11:53:38 AM
Welcome Ole, I am very impressed to see you here communicating with the people using your software. I for one am amazed at what I can do with it and it is a dream come true to play synth sound wireless! I have found a way around getting the VST's to Accept program changes. I use Forte 3 VST host and I input Midi Guitar as a Virtual midi source and Forte takes care of program an CC messages to the VST's. You can also set the key range of the instruments so I can get different sounds on my high notes and my low notes. Thank you very much and keep those updates coming.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on December 19, 2012, 12:26:10 PM
Oh, ok good you found a workaround.
We will make sure MIDI Guitar pass on all incomming midi messages on to any hosted VST/AU in the next update.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 19, 2012, 01:45:08 PM
Quote from: JamOrigin on December 19, 2012, 08:48:00 AM
A very special thanks Guitarpolson for your thoughtful emails and the videos. Studying polyphonic pitch data all day long can be a bit of a drag, but to see people having fun with the software like this makes it all worthwhile.
Thanks Ole.. and I'm happy that there are programmers like you in the world that make the wildest dreams come true!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: evenfell on December 20, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
WOW!
Thanks for this
This gotta be the best 70 USD I have ever spent on any music gear
Downloaded on mac, tried omnisphere for 10 minutes, and bought it.
Again WOW...

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 20, 2012, 05:01:53 PM
Ole, will this work with Cakewalk's Sonar DAW's? I have Sonar Home Studio 6 on Windows XP Pro. I did not see Sonar on your compatible DAW list, or have you just not tested it with Sonar yet? Also, do I understand correctly that this basically works just like a VST plugin effect in the DAW?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on December 20, 2012, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: evenfell on December 20, 2012, 02:23:04 PM
WOW!
Thanks for this
This gotta be the best 70 USD I have ever spent on any music gear
Downloaded on mac, tried omnisphere for 10 minutes, and bought it.
Again WOW...

Wey, thanks for your support, evenfell :)

Quote from: Mrchevy on December 20, 2012, 05:01:53 PM
Ole, will this work with Cakewalk's Sonar DAW's? I have Sonar Home Studio 6 on Windows XP Pro. I did not see Sonar on your compatible DAW list, or have you just not tested it with Sonar yet? Also, do I understand correctly that this basically works just like a VST plugin effect in the DAW?

It should work *as an audio effect* in any DAW that support VSTs or AUs. (It can be an audio effect because it hosts the virtual instrument).
But you sometimes want it to be more than an audio effect. I.e. you want to have the midi output in the piano roll, and for Sonar it wasn't trivial but a solution has been found. Please check this page - somewhere in the middle:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=390 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=390)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 20, 2012, 05:30:09 PM
Is this the post you were reffering to from KVR? I will try this out in the next few days and see what happens.

( Quoted from MoreK at KVR Forum)
(RE Sonar X2 & MIDI Guitar)
It did, thanks a lot!

What I missed was the MIDI Guitar pop-up menu in the Synth rack. Clicking the keyboard icon with right mouse button gives a menu with no "Enable MIDI Output" option. You have to click grey area of the synth and you'll get a different menu with the MIDI output option.

So, to summarize the whole setup:

1. Copy VST pluging to your VST folder
2. Launch Sonar. It should automatically recognize the new plug-in and create needed registry entries (ie you should see the plug-in as an effect in Audio FX menu). If not, use Plug-in Manager to scan new plug-ins.
3. Use Cakewalk Plug-in Manager, find MIDI Guitar in Effects section and open "Plug-in Properties". Enable "Configure as synth" option.
4. Close Sonar and use Regedit to change generateEvents key from "0" to "1" in HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\SONAR Producer\Cakewalk VST X64\Inventory\ -> MIDI Guitar
5. Launch Sonar. Add new audio track. Insert MIDI Guitar (now found in Soft Synths menu) to FX bin.
6. Go to Synth rack view. Right click grey area of the MIDI Guitar synth block and click "Enable MIDI Output".

That's it. Add your favourite synth to a new track and route MIDI input from MIDI Guitar, which should be visible in MIDI input menu.

Thanks again, works like a charm now.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: szilard on December 21, 2012, 11:10:54 AM
Hi Ole,

Just an FYI that Bitdefender flags www.jamorigin.com (http://www.jamorigin.com) as containing malware ...

QuoteThe page you are trying to access contains malware.

Details:
Web Page: http://www.jamorigin.com/ (http://www.jamorigin.com/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 21, 2012, 05:42:37 PM
Here is a neat little trick for you all to try. download a virtual midi program called LoopMidi http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html (http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html) and set the midi out of midi guitar to midi loop the minimize it. Now when you open up any DAW or stand alone synth software select midi loop as a midi input and your guitar will be a controller for anything. On what ever pedal board with midi out set up one of the control pedals to send CC#64 information and you have a hold/sustain pedal. If you need to rout both softwares through the same ASIO driver download ASIO4all to help fool your computer into thinking you are using two different drivers. say you want to use a GT-100 ASIO driver.... select in your ASIO4all options the GT-100 and use that for midi guitar and select the GT-100 ASIO driver for your stand alone Kontakt 5 software or your DAW.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on December 22, 2012, 10:37:33 AM
Quote from: Jim Williams on December 21, 2012, 05:42:37 PM
Here is a neat little trick for you all to try. download a virtual midi program called midi loop and set the midi out of midi guitar to midi loop the minimize it. Now when you open up any DAW or stand alone synth software select midi loop as a midi input and your guitar will be a controller for anything. On what ever pedal board with midi out set up one of the control pedals to send CC#64 information and you have a hold/sustain pedal. If you need to rout both softwares through the same ASIO driver download ASIO4all to help fool your computer into thinking you are using two different drivers. say you want to use a GT-100 ASIO driver.... select in your ASIO4all options the GT-100 and use that for midi guitar and select the GT-100 ASIO driver for your stand alone Kontakt 5 software or your DAW.

Jim, do you have the website link for this software as I did a Google search and there were so many hits I wasn't sure which page had the program. Was it LoopBe? Thanks.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mrchevy on December 22, 2012, 12:08:15 PM
 I believe this is it.  http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/vst.html (http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/vst.html)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 22, 2012, 10:18:21 PM
LoopBe can also receive midi redirected over Ethernet and redirect it to remote applications.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on December 23, 2012, 02:49:51 AM
Quote from: Kenmac on December 22, 2012, 10:37:33 AM
Jim, do you have the website link for this software as I did a Google search and there were so many hits I wasn't sure which page had the program. Was it LoopBe? Thanks.

Inside MIDI Guitar standalone there is a "Connect to DAW" option in the midi output section. It will give instructions how to install a virtual midi driver.  On Mac it just works out of the box.

Quote from: szilard on December 21, 2012, 11:10:54 AM
Hi Ole,

Just an FYI that Bitdefender flags www.jamorigin.com (http://www.jamorigin.com) as containing malware ...

Thanks for letting me know, szilard. I have emailed Bitdefender to get an explanation. No other tools reports anything wrong, so i think its a false positive. Thanks.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on December 23, 2012, 10:35:08 AM
Quote from: Mrchevy on December 22, 2012, 12:08:15 PM
I believe this is it.  http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/vst.html (http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/vst.html)
Thanks Mrchevy but I have that software and have been beta testing it for several weeks. I was interested in the midi loop program that Jim mentioned.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on December 23, 2012, 10:37:51 AM
Quote from: JamOrigin on December 23, 2012, 02:49:51 AM
Inside MIDI Guitar standalone there is a "Connect to DAW" option in the midi output section. It will give instructions how to install a virtual midi driver.  On Mac it just works out of the box.
Thanks for that Ole. I haven't checked out the standalone very much as I use the VST plugin.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on December 28, 2012, 06:04:13 AM
Here is an interesting question..... The GT-100 has a Dry guitar out option in the USB out modes what other guitar processors have the option so you can use them with MidiGuitar? I have not come across this before and the 3 USB out modes seem to be a great idea for that type of guitar processor.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on December 28, 2012, 08:54:42 AM
QuoteThe GT-100 has a Dry guitar out option in the USB out modes what other guitar processors have the option so you can use them with MidiGuitar?

The VG-99 can also be configured to have Dry Guitar OUT via USB

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Use the VG-99 Editor to select the USB Audio routing mode
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Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 28, 2012, 02:38:59 PM
Anyone know what the minimum CPU for the PC version would be? I have a tiny pocket-sized computer I'd like to try it on. It's a 1.8ghz Atom based device with a lean and mean stripped down XP install. It runs Cubase 2.x like a champ.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 28, 2012, 03:48:21 PM
Quote from: musicman65 on December 28, 2012, 02:38:59 PM
Anyone know what the minimum CPU for the PC version would be? I have a tiny pocket-sized computer I'd like to try it on. It's a 1.8ghz Atom based device with a lean and mean stripped down XP install. It runs Cubase 2.x like a champ.

bd
there's no real minimum I guess, since it also runs on a Iphone. How much of a softsynth you can run on the same computer, that is the question, that however depends on what kind of sound you want, which synth etc..
So you just have to try it, it wont hurt the computer..
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 28, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
No softsynth for me. I would attempt to send midi to my rack synth. My only issue is the single USB port. I may be able to use the mic input jack for guitar input. I'm not sure how I would use it since I have a fully functional rig with guise to midi but hey, a new method is always fun.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: BasV on December 28, 2012, 05:50:47 PM
I have the standalone app working on my Mac, but couldn't find the AU version...is it there or is there only a vst plugin ?


Cheers,
Bas
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 29, 2012, 01:05:17 AM
Quote from: BasV on December 28, 2012, 05:50:47 PM
I have the standalone app working on my Mac, but couldn't find the AU version...is it there or is there only a vst plugin ?

Cheers,
Bas
AU it is in the zip.. it is called "midi guitar.component"
copy that into  "/bibliotheek/audio/plugins/components (Dutch system)" or whatever you language makes of it ')
English system: /library/audio/plugins/components
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 29, 2012, 01:09:55 AM
Quote from: musicman65 on December 28, 2012, 04:22:45 PM
No softsynth for me. I would attempt to send midi to my rack synth. My only issue is the single USB port. I may be able to use the mic input jack for guitar input. I'm not sure how I would use it since I have a fully functional rig with guise to midi but hey, a new method is always fun.

bd
that'll work great, musicman, I've tested my gr30 as synth connected to Midi Guitar, it almost seemed faster than a local softsynth.
surely a dedicated synth is more reliable on stage. no buffersettings there.. ')

By the way: mainboards with just a mic input, mostly offer a level switch. Look in advanced settings of your minipc's soundcard. Plan A: You can propably switch it to line level! There's probably "pluginpower" on the mic input, so you cannot use it directly in microphone mode. You can check this with a voltmeter in the DC range. if there are 3 to 12volts on the input, it is still in microphone mode, goto Plan B.
Plan B: you cannot get rid of this "pluginpower", ( which actually is a low voltage phantompower supply), you can hack it by adding 1muF condensators in series, that'll get rid of the DC. The impedance is then somewhat low, however, and it'll work best with some headphoneoutput. Probably any stompbox will however buffer the signal enough to make MG work like a breeze..

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 29, 2012, 01:50:42 AM
Thanks Polson! I'll give it a try when I get a break.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Piing on December 29, 2012, 05:41:54 AM
Ole, thank you for developing this amazing application.

I've installed the demo and found a big latency... but I have just discovered that the latency actually comes from my laptop audio (HP nx9420), not from the midi conversion. I´ve never connected the guitar direct to the laptop before, and the sound has a delay. Tomorrow I will check it with the RME FF400

Perhaps a silly question: How to activate pitch-bending recognition for playing leads?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 29, 2012, 11:32:37 AM
Quote from: Piing on December 29, 2012, 05:41:54 AM
Ole, thank you for developing this amazing application.

I've installed the demo and found a big latency... but I have just discovered that the latency actually comes from my laptop audio (HP nx9420), not from the midi conversion. I´ve never connected the guitar direct to the laptop before, and the sound has a delay. Tomorrow I will check it with the RME FF400

Perhaps a silly question: How to activate pitch-bending recognition for playing leads?
Question is not silly.
0.52 doesnt support pitchbend yet, that'll come in the near future I guess.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 29, 2012, 02:36:07 PM
I've connected my good old gr-30 as hardware synth to my laptop.
I'm running MG with prediction 3, routed to the gr-30.
I've connected the GR-55 parallel to this..
Both gr-55 and gr-30 output the same sound.
I've recorded the output of the gr-55 and the gr-30 into audacity.
My G on the 6th string comes faster via MG via GR-30
The GR-55
beaten in da bass..
beaten with 60 to 75 samples, every time..

In the higher register MG loses clearly in terms of speed, which should be no suprise.
Things are turning out to be very interesting!

I'll redo the test with a better sound to be more precise about the performance, I've to search a best matching pcm sound that is available in both gr55 and gr30.




Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: musicman65 on December 29, 2012, 09:37:21 PM
Awesome! Can't wait to see the results. Percussive sounds would be great.

bd
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: evenfell on December 30, 2012, 03:47:39 AM
Just an update for my use of this plugin.

I have now testet it extensively for many days with my mac.
My chain:
Gibson les paul - Native instruments session Io  - Macbook pro - midi jamorigin - ableton live - softsynth - headphones out

I have tested this plugin with:
Omnisphere, Camelaudio alchemy, Miroslav Philharmonic orchestra, native ableton plugins
I have to say I am totally awestruck. As said earlier this is the my best spent money on gear ever.

It works like a charm on any plugin I through at it. Almost no latency at all, tracks great once you learn how to pick the strings (as any midi guitar device I guess).

I am planning to put up some videos on youtube eventually.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: sixeight on December 30, 2012, 05:54:58 AM
Did some latency tests today with MIDI guitar.
Built a session on my Macbook in Pedalboard 2.
Left channel MIDI guitar (0.5.2. beta) into Sampletank (Sparkling EP)
Right channel VG99 MIDI into another instance of Sampletank (Sparkling EP)
Recorder it on two mono channels in Cubase on my windows 7 PC.

Results are below. There are no differences in latency for both high and low notes.
Only difference is in level of the notes produced.

I was quite suprised by this. Checked twice whether I did it right, but lowering volume on guitar made the left channel stop and switching of guitar to midi on the VG99 mad the right channel stop. Maybe some of you guys can reproduce this test...

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Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on January 01, 2013, 02:37:16 AM
Quote from: Jim Williams on December 28, 2012, 06:04:13 AM
Here is an interesting question..... The GT-100 has a Dry guitar out option in the USB out modes what other guitar processors have the option so you can use them with MidiGuitar? I have not come across this before and the 3 USB out modes seem to be a great idea for that type of guitar processor.
I have in the past used other pitch-2-midi software (TS AudioToMidi) and a few softsynths (Z3TA+), and routed the audio from the GT via USB to a laptop, processed the pitch to mid and softsynth, complete with EXP pedal level control of the synth via USB midi (inverse volume), then routed th audio back to the GT via the USB cable, and used the GT outputs with both the guiatr and softsynth played back.
The only outBoard extra equipment required was the laptop and a USB cable for software guitar synth with the GT-10/100 as an audio interface.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on January 01, 2013, 02:52:16 AM
Quote from: gumtown on January 01, 2013, 02:37:16 AM
I have in the past used other pitch-2-midi software (TS AudioToMidi) and a few softsynths (Z3TA+), and routed the audio from the GT via USB to a laptop, processed the pitch to mid and softsynth, complete with EXP pedal level control of the synth via USB midi (inverse volume), then routed th audio back to the GT via the USB cable, and used the GT outputs with both the guiatr and softsynth played back.
The only outBoard extra equipment required was the laptop and a USB cable for software guitar synth with the GT-10/100 as an audio interface.
I do the same with the gr-55, that way you can easily add a playback too, the gr-55 or in your case GT100 then serves a a mixer.
If I want to sync the softsynth better with the normal guitar, you can switch the gr-55 to "direct monitor:off", and route the normal guitar through the computer DAW, that way it gets a little delay that makes the sound more tight. Dont know if the GT100 has got "direct monitoring" options.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on January 04, 2013, 01:34:26 AM
Just thinking a hardware device version of this software in a box which goes normal guitar input to a GK output for a VG/GR device would be super handy.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on January 04, 2013, 01:43:56 AM
Quote from: gumtown on January 04, 2013, 01:34:26 AM
Just thinking a hardware device version of this software in a box which goes normal guitar input to a GK output for a VG/GR device would be super handy.
haha, now THAT is science fiction.. what your actually asking is a "intelligent monosignal to hexsignal converter". I dont think anyone will build this, it will in the best case sound artificial, and add *at least* 2 bufferframes of latency to the outgoing hexsignal.
You can run 6 instances of jamorigin on a dedicated pc though, and connect it to a GK guitar, THAT would make sense. But it is unclear whether you'll get the latency right in such a multichannel audio setup, and you'll need a second engine to run the synths..


 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: oddguitar on January 11, 2013, 01:53:36 AM
Just got the Apogee Jam & downloaded the MIDI Guitar app as well as Garage Band to my iPad 2.  The fact that it requires no hex pickup is a gamechanger.  If Jam Origin can get the latency down to where one can play accurately in a live setting, then they will have eliminated the three main reasons why MIDI guitar has never gone mainstream (need for a hex pickup, latency & cost) in one fell swoop.

I don't think this spells the end for hex pickups because there are still advantages to having one: Roland's entire VG/GR catalog, the upcoming Antares AutoTune for guitar pedalboard, and the Fishman Triple Play.  For Fishman's sake, I sure hope that the Triple Play tracks better and has lower latency than MIDI Guitar, otherwise their product will already be obsolete and overpriced before ever making it to market!

A question for you MD users & Ole....most of you seem to use the standalone version of MD, but for those of you using the iPad app, is there any adjustment I can make to reduce the latency?  I don't have any other soft synths on my iPad, but I can't imagine that another soft synth would be any quicker than Garage Band (albeit with better sounding samples).

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

-oddguitar
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on January 11, 2013, 11:57:14 AM
Tracy Evans Review of Jam Origin
http://www.tracyevans.name/tag/midi-guitar/ (http://www.tracyevans.name/tag/midi-guitar/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: MCK on January 31, 2013, 01:49:50 PM
Cross posted from another forum :

MIDI Guitar 0.6.0 BETA is now available.

MIDI Guitar 0.6 BETA has got some new features including the first experimental support for pitch bends, improved velocity control, MIDI-through for using expression pedals as well as general tracking improvements. There is also improved documentation pages built in.

We are always curious about customer's needs and your experience with MIDI Guitar, so please don't hesitate to give feedback and ask questions about MIDI Guitar by replying to this email.

Previous versions of MIDI Guitar have been free to use for non-customers in various ways and for this reason MIDI Guitar versions up to 0.5.2 BETA are going to expire as pr today. If you get an expiration message, please just run one of these newest versions instead:

Windows Downloads:
Version 0.6.0 BETA: http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.6.0-Win.zip (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.6.0-Win.zip)
Version 0.5.3 BETA: http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.5.3-Win.zip (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.5.3-Win.zip)

Mac Downloads:
Version 0.6.0 BETA: http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.6.0-Mac.zip (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.6.0-Mac.zip)
Version 0.5.3 BETA: http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.5.3-Mac.zip (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.5.3-Mac.zip)


Whats New in MIDI Guitar 0.6.0 BETA
================================================== ========

General:
* General Tracking Improvements (faster note-off, reduced spurious hits)
* Experimental Pitch Bend support (mono bends only)
* Velocity Control Slider
* All midi sent to MIDI Guitar is now passed through to internal hosted
instruments and also through to the MIDI output. This makes it possible to
use midi expression pedals (sustain)
* Instrument Program Selector
* Pitch Prediction Level 3 is now default
* Test piano is now stereo and full 88 keys
* Console log section displays warnings in case of problems
* Improved documentation and help section

Bugfixes:
* Fixed problem for some interfaces not running at 44.1Khz samplerate
* Fixed bug where some synths would not respond (i.e. Diva).
* Fixed bug where some synth would only output one channel
* Fixed unneccesary many note off messages.
* Fixed not saving channel settings
* Fixed modified factory settings not saved
* Mac download can now unzip with OSX default uncompression utility
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 24, 2013, 06:24:48 PM
Well...

I've posted in a couple of other threads that this software was promising, but ultimately a let down on account of unacceptable latency.  I'm now very happy to eat those words...

When I first posted regarding latency in the 500ms range, Guitarpolson rightly indicated that there must be something very wrong, since he was seeing much better results.  It turned out that the sample I was using (a grand piano bundled with Ableton's Sampler instrument) was the culprit.  As soon as I began testing with other VSTs, performance went through the roof.  I'm now getting latency on par with the GR55, and in terms of glitching (or not) JamOrigin actually feels a little more stable to me.

My only complaint is that, at $100, the price seems a little steep for a software-only solution in beta.  But, since JamOrigin is the only company really pursuing the solution that I think makes most sense (poly detection from a mono guitar signal), I have to support them by buying a copy.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on February 25, 2013, 06:13:07 AM
I have to disagree with th comment on the price..... A guitar to midi hard wareunit is around $400 and a GK-3 is almost $200. To achieve almost the same results for $100 is a bargain.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 25, 2013, 07:18:02 AM
QuoteI have to disagree with th comment on the price..... A guitar to midi hard wareunit is around $400 and a GK-3 is almost $200. To achieve almost the same results for $100 is a bargain.

Well, there are several ways to think about it.  For what it's worth I ponied up the $100, so obviously it's worth $100 to me.

So I get you that it's a lot of functionality per dollar vs. a hex pickup arrangement, but it's also a qualitatively different purchase.  The customer brings all the hardware in the way of his/her PC, and the developer merely recoups R&D; manufacturing cost is null and distribution cost is minimal.  Granted, this is a niche product right now, and recouping R&D across a limited customer base may be difficult, but other companies have shipped similar VSTs for much less money in the past.  Just arguing both sides here.  MIDIGuitar is the best I've played thus far, which is why I bought it.

I will say this, though: because you're buying a beta, you're speculating that the software will be improved with time.  This may or may not pan out, so I would expect JamOrigin to offer a price incentive to early adopters of the beta, kind of like a special pre-order price.  Instead, they're charging the full $100, and if anything I would expect that price to fall in time as their user base picks up, group buys are extended, etc.

Anyway, just sayin'.  I'm still damned excited about this product.  After all the work I put into my GR55/iPad rig, I'm starting to think I won't be using it much longer.  Guitar Rig and Dimension Pro and Live and some Looper software, all facilitated by the MIDI Guitar VST... it's just too easy to make this stuff sound better than the GR55 does.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on February 25, 2013, 09:24:23 AM
I'm not arguing and I wouldn't trust my computer in a live situation but it has possibilities. t does have some interesting studio applications but I don't think of it as a replacement for the hexiphonic system just another tool for guitarists to have to enter the world of midi. I feel it is a low cost solution for some to employ other instruments. I have found that Kore 2 has the tools for live performance with the software. I plan to do a video sowing the uses but at this point I lack the resources to make the video. I am working on it though.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 25, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
Quote from: Jim Williams on February 25, 2013, 09:24:23 AM
I'm not arguing and I wouldn't trust my computer in a live situation but it has possibilities. t does have some interesting studio applications...

Studio is probably where it will see the most use, but I'm actually interested in it for live applications.  I've done a couple of gigs with a laptop running all of the software I mentioned above, and this was back in the very early Core Duo days; the laptop in question was slightly underpowered and keyboard/mouse were the only ways to interact if something needed tweaking.  Now I'm looking at Surface Pro and various convertible ultrabooks that have as much power on tap as the tower PC at home, and touchscreens that will hopefully help interface with software during performance, and here's this effective means of converting to MIDI.  I'm seeing a very effective, portable solution materializing.  It's pretty much exactly what I was doing pre-GR55, but better executed.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 25, 2013, 10:10:51 AM
Just a hint:

On my Lenovo W510, I'm using a mSATA 256GB SSD drive to hold my whole NI Komplete 7, and all my other VSTi Romplers and Soft Synth data from Ableton Live 8, and Studio One Pro. 

Its full.

I have a separate Seagate Momentum XT 750GB boot drive for OS/ Programs, its sitting at 350GB full - but I admit I have lots of Electrical Engineering apps installed too. (Altium Designer, Protel, SolidWorks)

Lenovo W510 has 64GB RAM and Intel I7 Quad Core , which helps a lot too!

I can bring the Lenovo to the gig, then control it with an iPAD running TeamViewer VPN app.

Read this thread for todays Computer recommendations
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/ (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/)


Not sure I would use a Surface Pro, as the only attraction is the touch interface, (try before you buy - Its NOT an iPAD)  while the restricted RAM at 8GB, and Restricted 128GB SSD are deal killers for a DAW/ Live Virtual rig in 2013.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 25, 2013, 10:21:10 AM
Actually the Surface Pro only has 4G of RAM.  Based on personal experience, I could make do with 128G storage (I'd never consider the 64G version) so long as I had an external drive for backups, and a big SD card in the slot to hold non-DAW related files, e.g. my music library.  I'm more concerned about the 4G RAM and relatively slow i5 processor.

The machine I'm leaning toward right now is actually the Lenovo Yoga with 8G RAM, an i7-3537U, and a 256G SSD, with an empty bay for a second SSD if needed.  It also has a larger touchscreen - 13" vs. the Surface Pro's 10".  (This is especially notable given the 16:9 aspect ratio, which I find a little off-putting for anything other than watching films... which I have no interest in doing on a 10" or 13" screen.  No idea where the fascination with widescreen on tiny devices has come from.  It's one point where I think Apple has the right idea with the 4:3 iPad, where you can, for instance, look at a PDF of an 8.5x11" chart and make decent use of the on-screen real estate.  What I'd really like is a 13" 4:3 touchscreen for exactly this reason.)

The only thing the Surface Pro has going for it in this analysis is form factor, build quality, and "sex appeal".  It's built like a tank, and fit and finish are just... cool.  But in all practical terms the Lenovo comes out ahead.  I'm on the fence.  I've got a lot of experience with laptops FAR slower than even the Surface Pro, so I know what I'm getting myself into.  It's just a question of which itch to scratch: fastest/most powerful vs. portable/asthetically pleasing.

QuoteLenovo W510 has 64GB RAM
You're running 64G of RAM?!?  Or is that the maximum supported?  That is just insane.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 25, 2013, 10:36:20 AM
I run 64GB ram - since its under $200 for the upgrade.

(even less today)
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-204-Pin-Modules-CT2C8G3S160BM/dp/B008LTBJFW/ref=pd_cp_pc_1 (http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-PC3-12800-204-Pin-Modules-CT2C8G3S160BM/dp/B008LTBJFW/ref=pd_cp_pc_1)

Have 32GB RAM in my Lenovo W510 and 64GB DDR3 Ram in my 2011 iMac 27" I7 3.4GHz Quad Core
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 25, 2013, 10:48:59 AM
Wow, that is a lot of RAM.   :)  My PC at home only has 6G in it!  I've been running 64-bit OS's for a while, but nothing ever convinced me there would be a benefit in going as high as 64G.

As for the Yoga vs. the Surface Pro, the difference in CPU speeds are significant, but quantifiable at least.  The one thing I'm having a hard time judging is how performance will be impacted with 4G RAM vs. 8G, especially given an SSD to (somewhat) alleviate performance hits incurred by paging.  It's a shame that Surface Pro can't be upgraded beyond 4G, and I believe the Yoga is maxed out at 8G.  The price paid for "thin and light".
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 25, 2013, 10:53:37 AM
To feed myself, I Rely on VMWare. 90% of the time I'm using a 2001 era version of Protel 99 SE to design PC boards, and it flat refused to run on any OS newer than Win XP. So I use Windows 7 Pro 64bit as my Main OS, and run VMWare Player and assign a full 4GB RAM just for the Virtual WinXP Pro environment running under  VMWare Player.

I need 8GB of RAM Minimum to pull that off and run smooth.


Time is Money - With a current Quad Core Intel I7 CPU, running VMWare's virtual WinXP Environment, the performance is much faster than my old native WinXP machine from 2005
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 25, 2013, 11:06:00 AM
Yeah, it sounds like my needs are much more modest.  All my professional development work is done in an office on hardware owned by someone else (although this too is woefully outdated.)  At home the most taxing PC application is the occasional video game (which will be relegated to that old 6G Intel Q9550 tower.)  Even when I'm running Ableton it tends to be less of a DAW (I don't record much anymore) and more of an improvisation-friendly mixer/ looper/ VST host.  And that's exactly what I'd need for performance, where a small chuck-able chassis (i.e. Surface Pro) is also desirable.  But how far can I go with the "less is more" vibe before it's just less LOL.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 25, 2013, 11:13:08 AM
In my case, I'm editing Video for a monthly cable access show - Would post copy's, but bulk of Artists i film only want the video displayed on my local regional Cable show - not YouTube. )

So I have the full Adobe Cloud Create Subscription, (learning Premiere and After Effects) and Sony Vegas Pro 12, and Protools 10, use a Matrox MX02 MiniMax with H.264 Encoder for Video Editing

This all requires a higher performance PC 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 25, 2013, 11:14:58 AM
Quotewhere a small chuck-able chassis (i.e. Surface Pro) is also desirable.

I opted for a Refurb 2011 MacMini Server for that need.

Bring a small Wi-Fi Router to the gig,  Control MacMini and OSX with an iPad running iDisplay

http://www.getidisplay.com/ (http://www.getidisplay.com/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 25, 2013, 11:24:55 AM
Quote from: Elantric on February 25, 2013, 11:14:58 AM
I opted for a Refurb 2011 MacMini Server for that need.

I've got a Mac Mini banging around somewhere.  I should probably hook it up as a network file share or something.  But I'm talking really chuck-able: 10 x 7 x 0.5", 2lbs, solid state, and most importantly, running on a rechargeable battery.  A single box you can throw on a music stand and plug into the PA, or the FX loop of your amp, and put to work. 

The only thing I don't have quite figured out is an elegant instrument level input and A/D/A conversion product.  On my old laptop I used an Echo Indigo I/O, but the PCMCIA slot gave way to the PC Cardbus slot and now Cardbus is disappearing.  USB is great and all, but it still means an extra box to lug and plug.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 26, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
Re ASIO4ALL - your mileage may vary.

I do not recommend ASIO4ALL - its Never going to surpass the low latency performance of the Factory ASIO Driver for your specific audio device from the manufacturer.

True ASIO4ALL can allow you to run multiple Audio Interfaces - but one of them will be forced to use the sluggish WDM driver, and your latency WILL increase using ASIO4ALL, vs. the low latency performance of the Factory ASIO Driver for your specific audio device. 

ASIO4ALL was designed to fool your pro audio software that in a pinch the Internal Audio chipset in your PC/Laptop could support a "pseudo ASIO" mode - simply so you could work with Cubase if you forgot to bring your Pro Audio Interface, but it always uses the sluggish audio round trip of the native Windows drivers.
shawnb wrote >
QuoteAll ASIO4ALL does is make WDM act kinda like ASIO.  Under the covers, it's actually WDM.  I'd suggest you remove a layer of processing & just use another driver that is sharable.   On Windows, I would experiment with whatever drivers are available - WASAPI drivers or maybe even the WDM driver.

ASIO4ALL is very, very cool.  A great idea that helped solve a problem - the author owned a product that didn't have a compatible driver for XP, so he was forced to emulate ASIO given just a WDM driver.   But folks think they're running ASIO but they're not.


http://tippach.business.t-online.de/asio4all/intro.html (http://tippach.business.t-online.de/asio4all/intro.html)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: GovernorSilver on February 26, 2013, 11:42:27 AM
Glad to have been pointed by elantric to this thread.  Sounds quite promising, especially for use with a Marcodi Harpejji - I was sorely tempted by their Thanksgiving sale which brought the price of a Harpejji G16 down to the $1600 range.  Intriguing instrument (to me) but not a practical one for installing a hex pickup for various reasons.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 26, 2013, 11:46:55 AM
Join our sister forum,  FutureGuitarNow -
I discuss the Harpejji by Marcodi over there

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=32355.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=32355.0)
Jordan Rudess on the Harpejji (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHiVOffMyOY#)

Film Score on Harpejji D1 by Jim Daneker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CrjvsJAkBs#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: GovernorSilver on February 26, 2013, 01:19:01 PM
I'll probably join at some point, and speak more of the Harpejji after I buy one (probably will wait until next Thanksgiving).  Suffice it to say the G1 model reflects some improvements over that original D1 design, and there are more recent demos/clips featuring Stevie Wonder and AR Rahman.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: shawnb on February 27, 2013, 12:07:00 PM

I'm waiting to see the success of polyphonic pitch bend...   I view the guitar as a very unique controller, and want that playability xferred & controlling my chosen voice.  Heck, I use a slide on my GR gear all the time!   Once it gets that far, I'm in!   (And if the latency beats my other gear, I'm very, very sad...)

As it is, it's very, very cool.  If I were just starting, it'd be the way to go.  If folks ask how to get their feet wet & start to explore guitar synthesis, this would probably be my first recommendation actually.   Very low entry cost.   
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: polaris20 on April 04, 2013, 05:32:19 AM
V2.0 has come out for iOS, and apparently uses the same engine as the desktop version. I've got to go to work, but will be trying this this evening. I've already got the app, but haven't used it much because the latency and glitching was a bit much.

If I can route the MIDI from that to Cubasis (which I believe I can with virtual MIDI) then this will be a very cool traveling setup for sure.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 18, 2013, 07:13:07 AM
Concerning the VST version, what are your experiences (guitarpolson?) in terms of velocity sensitivity?  As far as I can tell, I'm getting a brick wall constant velocity from the VST (I didn't notice until I tried playing some bass guitar samples.)  Their website mentions velocity sensitivity, but I can't tell whether that's specific to the iOS version, or whether it's properly implemented in the VST beta.  Maybe I just missed a configuration setting?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: audiotrax on April 18, 2013, 09:57:54 AM
I've been playing with this.  It's pretty amazing for what it is.  You can get SOME pretty usable results out of it (depending on your expectations.

Like all this technology getting all the levels perfectly calibrated is critical.

Having said that, it doesn't hold a candle to the tracking I get out of the Roland GR-30, especially with the Ghost MIDI pickup.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 18, 2013, 10:57:51 AM
audiotrax, are you using the VST/AU version, or the iOS app?  Are you getting any kind of velocity sensitivity out of it?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 14, 2013, 08:04:03 AM
Scratch the velocity-sensitivity question.  I've got it working pretty well now.  It's a matter of getting the sensitivity and velocity gains setup to complement one another properly.  Also, easy to lose track of this when some of your VSTs aren't velocity-sensitive.   ::)

Having GREAT results with pianos now.  Very happy!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 16, 2013, 12:54:55 PM
An update on some exciting news about this software. This was posted over on the KVR forum:

"MIDI Guitar 0.7.0 beta, pre-release for KVR

This is our biggest update so far. Lots of improvements and new features.
Please let us know how it goes.

This update was a bit too long on the way. Expect monthly updates from now on. Version 0.8 scheduled for mid-june. 0.9 for mid-july. Soon after that 1.0. More on this later.

WHAT'S NEW:

Audio Recognition:
General recognition improvements.
Generally more sensitive for even better tracking of "sloppy" playing.
Latency improvements, especially at 128 samples/44.1Khz.
Bends accuracy improved.

General:
Polyphonic tuner built-in.
New plugin manager/browser.
New "Essential" mode for MIDI Guitar beginners.
New dynamics automation. Finally a MIDI Guitar where palm mutes matters! (EXPERIMENTAL).
Two new types of artificial/infinite sustain.
Independent instrument and effect channels to easily layer synths and guitar amp.
Reimplemented audio device setup in standalone version.
MIDI input channel selector in standalone version.
Audio input channel selectors in standalone version.
Removed CPU Usage meter as it was not accurate.

Bugfixes:
Fixed crash bug on Windows XP.
Fixed crash bug with some audio interfaces
Fixed font on download links in update dialog.
Fixed issue with activation of license failing in rare cases.
Fixed issue with activation of license crashing on Mac OS X 10.5.8."


There's also a link to download the latest beta but because he mentioned it's a pre-release for KVR, I'll post the link to the announcement instead:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=675 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=675)

Currently near the bottom of the page.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 17, 2013, 06:04:39 AM
What a great surprise to come home to this.  Thanks a million for posting, Kenmac!  I don't really understand why they pre-released to KVR as opposed to just putting the beta on their own website.  I would never have known it was available, and as a paying customer I find that a little... well let's just say odd.

Anyway, it is an improvement and I was already having pretty great results with beta v0.6.  The only feature I'm really holding out for now are the custom velocity curves.  Velocity works OK now, but it's really in need of some kind of compression/expansion options.

The sustain implementation is a little tricky as well, but that's just as likely down to my personal setup, using JamOrigin as a plugin vs. standalone.

All in, awesome software, and I'm glad to see they're still actively improving it.  For a while it looked like the focus would just be on the iOS version.  Getting better results with pianos than with any hardware solution I've ever tried (though I've yet to try FTP...)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Shatner on May 17, 2013, 07:23:47 AM
I am impressed with this software's potential now. Too bad I couldn't get it to successfully record a track with Logic or Studio One when I tried. Still a very cool start.

EDIT - I found my problem and purchased a license. I was just new at using the recording software. Go MidiGuitar Go.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 17, 2013, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: mbenigni on May 17, 2013, 06:04:39 AM
What a great surprise to come home to this.  Thanks a million for posting, Kenmac!  I don't really understand why they pre-released to KVR as opposed to just putting the beta on their own website.  I would never have known it was available, and as a paying customer I find that a little... well let's just say odd.

Anyway, it is an improvement and I was already having pretty great results with beta v0.6.  The only feature I'm really holding out for now are the custom velocity curves.  Velocity works OK now, but it's really in need of some kind of compression/expansion options.

The sustain implementation is a little tricky as well, but that's just as likely down to my personal setup, using JamOrigin as a plugin vs. standalone.

All in, awesome software, and I'm glad to see they're still actively improving it.  For a while it looked like the focus would just be on the iOS version.  Getting better results with pianos than with any hardware solution I've ever tried (though I've yet to try FTP...)

:) You're welcome mbenigni but even though there are some massive improvements in this software there's one drawback and that's the new function they've added for scanning VST and VSTI folders. A lot of people posting over at KVR and myself have noticed that the software will seem like it's scanning and after waiting for 20 minutes it still hasn't finished scanning the folders. At first I thought it was because I have more plugins on my main music dedicated computer than on my netbook so I tried installing it on my netbook and it's the same story.  :(  They've been told about this on KVR and they've promised there'll be an update soon. I don't know why they just didn't keep the function that allows you to load in a .dll file instead. Anyway I did try it with the test piano and the tracking and sensitivity really is better.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 17, 2013, 10:54:22 AM
Quotethe software will seem like it's scanning and after waiting for 20 minutes...

Wow, glad I didn't head down that rabbit hole last night.  I very nearly did try to set up VSTi's in order to test the "Stack and switch to amp" sustain setting, but decided instead to mess around with MIDI controls in Ableton.  I've used JamOrigin MIDIGuitar almost exclusively as a plugin up to now, and will probably continue to do so, so problems with its own hosting capabilities won't be a problem for me.  For a change.   :)

Shatner, exactly what kind of problems did you have trying to record Logic/Studio One?  Were you running JamOrigin standalone or as a plugin, and were you trying to record MIDI, audio, or both?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Shatner on May 17, 2013, 01:36:23 PM
Shatner, exactly what kind of problems did you have trying to record Logic/Studio One?  Were you running JamOrigin standalone or as a plugin, and were you trying to record MIDI, audio, or both?

No success recording either way, just wanted to test it...but I was at the end of a long day with not much experience with these new (to me) DAW's and this new software.

I've just moved to Macbook Pro and used to use Cubase 5 with PC, but I'm not into losing usb ports for dongles anymore, so I got Logic Pro 9 and the Studio One that came with the FTP bundle...all pretty new to me still.

I'll try again when I'm a little fresher...But I had a good noodle with the JamOrigin in standalone and hope I can record with it so I can use a couple other guitars!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on May 17, 2013, 02:16:58 PM
Jamorigin is pretty good about getting bugs fixed and updates out. by the end of the summer this software should be the computer solution for guitarists I am glad to have bought the license and can't wait until the software is fixed and stable. There might be a time when your computer is your rig. Now this might even be a good OS for pedal board that hosts VST instruments and effects.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on May 17, 2013, 02:45:30 PM
We just put up version 0.7.1 with a temporary fix to the scanning plugins problem and a few other fixes.

http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.7.1-Win.zip (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.7.1-Win.zip)
http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.7.1-Mac.zip (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/MIDI-Guitar-0.7.1-Mac.zip)

Kenmac,
Thanks for posting! No problems posting links here. As mentioned the plugin scanner problem should be solved now.

Shatner,
There is a video tutorial for Studio One (http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/Windows-Mac/help/index.html#studio-one-midi-out) in the documentation, and a text guide of how to do with Logic (http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/Windows-Mac/help/index.html#logic-midi-out). Both are very easy to setup.

mbenigni,
We will of course notify subscribers and put the new version on the website. The reason we put it on a few forums first is to ensure its quality and that most critical bugs are fixed before most people upgrade. The plugin scanner bug is a good example :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 17, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
Thank you JamOrigin for making VGuitarforums one of your frequent stops on the web and keeping us all informed on your progress with this breakthrough technology!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on May 17, 2013, 02:51:42 PM
Quote from: Elantric on May 17, 2013, 02:47:51 PM
Thank you JamOrigin for making VGuitarforums one of your frequent stops on the web and keeping us all informed on your progress with this breakthrough technology!

My pleasure. We have still a lot to learn from you folks over here ;)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 19, 2013, 06:47:17 AM
QuoteWe will of course notify subscribers and put the new version on the website. The reason we put it on a few forums first is to ensure its quality and that most critical bugs are fixed before most people upgrade. The plugin scanner bug is a good example

I really appreciate the response, and I REALLY appreciate your product! 

But as for vetting your betas through select forums - bear in mind that everyone who's paid in thus far did so knowing they were getting a beta product.  I think most if not all of those customers would want to know about improved betas as early as possible.  Not a huge deal of course, more a friendly recommendation.  For my part I'll keep my eye on that KVR thread going forward.

Best of luck with this.  You guys are doing great work!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 21, 2013, 09:35:14 AM
Here's the latest word from JamOrigin over on the KVR forum about a fix for the scanning issues:

"Thanks everyone for all the feedback!

We have fixed the plugin scanner and indeed there was a typo in the tuner which made it tune way off sharp, mostly notable on low strings. This might explain why some have had tracking inferior to 0.6 if you have been using MG 0.7's own tuner.

I'll just get back to you with answers after building 0.7.2 later today.

One question we get a lot:
We haven't actually officially released 0.7 on the website because we needed some hands on testing first to ensure that most users have a good experience with the upgrade. The plugin scanner and tuner are good examples of how things sometimes go wrong.

We'll be back soon."

FWIW I didn't realize there were issues with the tuner as my tracking seemed to be fine but I'm glad they'll be fixing it.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jdh40k on May 23, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
hi when does midi guitar 0.7 come out? 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 23, 2013, 12:59:16 PM
Quote from: jdh40k on May 23, 2013, 11:50:02 AM
hi when does midi guitar 0.7 come out?

It's already out. They've updated the program to version 0.7.2 and the scanning problem is fixed now. I haven't had time to test it out with a guitar yet but I'll check it out later this evening. Check out http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=720 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=720)  near the bottom of the page you'll find the download link for version 0.7.2.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 24, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Well here's another update.  :o They've just released version 0.7.3. Here's what it says in the readme file:

Recognition:

* Crisper feel and reduced spurious hits.
* Fixed issue with small buffersizes causing bad tracking.
* CPU usage reductions.


General:
* Adding single plugin file in the plugin browser does no longer time out.

It's here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=750 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=750)  near the bottom of the page.
I'd also like to say I was trying out the "old" version 0.7.2. stand alone last night and I like the new addition in the plugin where you're able to add virtual amps along with whatever VSTi you're using. I found some nice combinations, for example, with the rear humbucker active, load in an organ plugin and set it to either a Hammond or Rock Organ type sound then set your virtual amps settings to a crunch sound. Very satisfying and very playable. If you're more into clean sounds try a single coil guitar on either position 2 or 4 (the so-called "out-of-phase" sound) then call up a wurly, grand piano or Rhodes sound. I've also come up with some stranger combinations that weren't very musical.  :) Needless to say I'm having fun with this plugin.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 25, 2013, 09:25:26 AM
I hope you aren't getting tired or these updates because here's a new version,

"0.7.4 BETA is out.

WHATS NEW:
* Fixed issue with plugin windows not resizing correctly.
* Reduced number of plugin scanning issues."

Right at the top of the page: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=765 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=765)  I'll be doing more testing this evening. In all honesty I think this plugin keeps getting better and better.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on June 01, 2013, 10:41:46 AM
Here we go again with another update. Version 0.7.5 is available. Here's some information about it:

"WHATS NEW:

Recogition:
* Bends less prone to re-triggering.
* Improved poly tuning (still experimental).

General:
* Four small synths built in (ePiano, Piano, VA and FM synths)
- thanks to mda/smartelectronix for these.

Bug fixes:
* Fixed plugin scanner issues on Windows.

Also there are some changes in loading/hosting plugins. I hope this will allow to open some of those plugins that previously wouldn't, and that we didn't introduce too many new plugin issues."

It's near the top of the page: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=795 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=795)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jdh40k on June 22, 2013, 06:37:18 AM
when does midi guitar 0.8 come out? 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on June 22, 2013, 09:19:41 AM
Quote from: jdh40k on June 22, 2013, 06:37:18 AM
when does midi guitar 0.8 come out?

There's been no word yet on KVR about it but I'm sure they're working on the next version.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jdh40k on June 28, 2013, 08:49:23 AM
when does midi guitar 0.8 come out? 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pjmuck on June 28, 2013, 09:24:28 AM
I just downloaded the free iPhone app. Not bad. I was able to control Sampletank sounds and Amplitube sounds simultaneously despite the supposed lack of Audiobus support. (Is that coming soon?). I'm considering the full download now, but I was left feeling that the app needed a few more options for tweaking and fine tuning performance beyond just the simple sensitivity input and level controls. (Maybe the full download offers this?). Was perfectly fine for slow playing and chordal pads, but too many misfires, false triggers, etc. when trying to play fast.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on June 28, 2013, 09:46:59 AM
QuoteSampletank sounds and Amplitube sounds simultaneously despite the supposed lack of Audiobus support. (Is that coming soon?)

If you have applied updates recently - both those apps actually now have AudioBus support

SampleTank for iOS Now Supports Audiobus
11 April 2013
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=2438 (http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=2438)

AmpliTube Apps Add Audiobus Support for iPhone and iPad
14 March 2013

http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=2287 (http://www.ikmultimedia.com/news/?item_id=2287)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on July 09, 2013, 08:58:53 AM
It's update time again. Version 0.8.0 is available with some exciting new enhancements. Here's what they said:

"MIDI Guitar 0.8.0 beta released!

WHAT'S NEW:


Audio Recognition:

General tracking improvements.
Improved tracking of minor seconds.
Improved latency at non-44.1Khz samplerates. All samplerates should now perform identically.


General:

Our new MIDI Machine is now embedded in MIDI Guitar. It allows you to easily create arpeggiators, harmonizers, chord filters, or indeed any imaginable midi effect.

Added project management to make it easier to switch between sound setups. The project stores all parameters including VST instrument and -effect states as well as the MIDI Machine setup.

MIDI Learn functionality.
MIDI Program Change can switch projects at the press of a button.
Added VST/AudioUnit parameters for VST automation.
Basic velocity curve setting.
Settings are now only saved on shutdown.

Bugfixes:

Fixed issues with plugin scanner when used in plugin.
Fixed save of MIDI enable/disable in plugin.
Fixed bug where Test Piano would load after being disabled.
Fixed concurrency issues with multiple instances of MIDI Guitar running.
Fixed issues with disrupted VST plugins preventing MIDI Guitar from launching.
Many other bugfixes."

You can find the download link here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=855 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=855)   near the bottom of the page. I can't wait to try out the new MIDI Machine.  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on July 09, 2013, 11:03:04 AM
QuoteAdded project management to make it easier to switch between sound setups. The project stores all parameters including VST instrument and -effect states...
MIDI Program Change can switch projects at the press of a button.

This sounds like it might be pretty significant if you're looking for an efficient live solution.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on July 10, 2013, 10:34:30 AM
Quote from: mbenigni on July 09, 2013, 11:03:04 AM
This sounds like it might be pretty significant if you're looking for an efficient live solution.

Agreed, that would come in very handy. Just a note, they've made a minor update to version 0.8.1 and of course you can download it at the same link.  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on July 11, 2013, 12:10:55 PM
Well, now they've made a minor update to 0.8.2. Download it at the same link.  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on September 08, 2013, 09:28:49 AM
Latest update, they're now up to version 0.9.0. Here are the details:

"MIDI Guitar 0.9 beta released!

We're happy to announce that BETA version 0.9.0 is ready for testing. The update is almost entirely devoted to tracking improvements, and as always we need your feedback. We expect a few 0.9.x releases with further tracking improvements but are currently held back a bit by CPU usage constraints that we have solve first. Its not a promise, but we certainly look forward for further investigations.

WHAT'S NEW IN 0.9.0:

Major tracking improvements (generally more responsive and improved latency). Also fixed some tracking issues at buffer sizes smaller than 5.8ms (bug in 0.7, 0.8 )

Support for drop D/D# tunings.

Built in interactive help system and documentation.

Smaller binary file sizes.

New "Dynamics" MIDI Machine for dynamics automation

Fix: No longer sends out MIDI CC-119 streams
Fix: Various minor fixes


ATTENTION:

We discovered that all versions 0.7.x and 0.8.x has a bug which will overwrite recognition presets (including the default ones) with a uniform/flat pitch sensitivity iff those presets have been originally created with another version of MIDI Guitar. This typically has bad impact on tracking. It is now corrected in 0.9 and forward but please delete or revisit your old recognition presets. Also make sure you try each of the three default presets again to find the best setup for your guitar.

Also, versions 0.7 - 0.8 have had a problem where buffers smaller than 256 at 44.1Kh would degrade quality tracking considerably. This is fixed in 0.9."

You can find the download link near the bottom of this page:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=915 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=915)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on September 16, 2013, 09:44:13 AM
New updated version is now available for download. According to the developer this new version 0.9.2 has some minor tracking fixes. As of this writing the link is towards the bottom of the page.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=945 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=945)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on October 20, 2013, 10:42:47 PM
I found out about MIDI Guitar just a few days ago, and was pointed to this thread. Looks like it's grown a bit stale, but allow me to mention that MIDI Guitar is now up to 0.9.3 beta.

I d/l'd a copy of 0.9.3 yesterday and, after a couple initial hair pulling hours, I realized I was trying to make things too complicated and finally got it to work. Just let me echo what everyone else is saying about the quality of this software product. So far the only way I can get it to produce sound is using ASIO4ALL drivers, despite my M-Audio sound card having native ones. Still even using the ASIO4ALL drives, I'm down to about 240 samples at 5.0 ms at 48000 Hz. That's as low as my system can go. Any lower than that and it starts making wierd growling noises. Not complaining, though. 5.0 ms is livable.

I've probably spent three or four hours just playing around with MG, which I think is long enough to start forming a few opinions and, while the latency is great, I find the tracking leaves a lot to be desired. Frequently when I hit a lower note, say a note on the 4th-6th strings, if I play it with any force at all, it will often sound a half step higher. And yes my guitar is perfectly in tune. There is this natural characteristic of a string that, if it is struck hard, it will sound somewhat sharp momentarily and I can't help but wonder if that natural tendency is affecting the program.  Currently I have pitch prediction set to 3, at the advice of MG, and I have sensitivity set to about 50 right now. I've played around with the Sensitivity slider some and it does seem to help reduce artifacts if I lower it. When I first started using MG I had it set to 98, which I think was just too much. As for the pitch sensitivity window, that's gonna take some time to get it configured, but I guess I should spend the time if that's the best way to eliminate the tendency to play a half step sharp in some instances.

I've noticed a few other things that I guess fall under the heading of "tracking."  If I just lightly -- or even moderately -- strum a chord, say an open Emaj or a bar chord based on its shape -- the notes that will sound will be the low root, the 5th on the next string, nothing from the 4th string, the 3rd from the third string, nothing from the 2nd string and nothing from the 1st string. I know what's going on here. MG hears that I've played an E and B already so suppresses the repetition of them as I hit them later, even though they are of different octaves. If I want these notes to sound, I have to get really aggressive at those particular notes to get them to sound. So strumming ends up being a real pain and sounds really choppy. Unfortunately, if I try playing fingerstyle, the holes frequently show themselves there, too, which makes for a very choppy sounding performance. Interestingly enough, though, if I "roll" the chords -- that is, intentionally spacing the notes of the chord apart until they are almost an arpeggio, they all sound out just fine. It's when I try to play them simultaneously that I run into problems.

Like many, many others I'm sure, I hope that MG will support pitch bending soon.  I bend strings frequently when I solo and that's also the way I produce vibrato. But I have a question about how far they will go when they finally do support it. One of the things I do when I bend strings is often I will anchor a finger, typically my pinky, on a fret and then bend strings adjacent to it, so that I can shape chords, sort of the way a steel guitarist does. It's also very popular in blues. In the key of Am for example with my hand in the 5th position,  I will anchor my pinky on the second string, 8th fret ('g'), and then wth my third finger I will place it on the 3rd string 7th fret, pluck both the 2nd and 3rd strings and then bend the 3rd string up until the pitch is one step higher (from a d to an e). The intervals are dg to eg. This is one simple example of many where I will hold a note or two and bend a string against it.  So I'm thinking that things will start getting a little complicated as soon as you introduce a second voice while one is being raised in pitch -- all while staying in a single MIDI channel?  I don't know what the solution will be, but if you can come up with one that would be not only a great achievement I feel, but also a great way to add realism to a performance.

Oh, and I guess this falls under the "pet peeves" category more than anything else because it sort of prevents me from enjoying the only voice that lasts indefinitely. I'm well aware that the sounds a guitar produces are actually an octave lower than the way they are scored on the musical staff. But why does the Test Piano have to play everything an octave higher, as if it's reading what I'm playing, and not hearing it?  And really, if we want to get picky, that treble clef on the guitar sheet music should have a little figure '8' at its bottom, so the piano should be taking note of that fact, and playing in the correct octave.  Yes?  Your "real" sounds don't do this -- the ones that last for only a minute or so -- so why does the Test Piano do it?

Okay that's it. Please don't consider my comments to be critical of your work. I mention them because I want to see your MIDI Guitar to continue to improve. Because really you have something unique and I remain quite excited about it.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on November 10, 2013, 09:42:57 AM
New update for MIDI Guitar available. Here's the information and links:

"0.9.5 BETA Released

Here is another small update. A clever little MIDI Machine can load Scala files and adds Microtonal support (to get it go into "Create MIDI Machines"). Weird issues with Ableton Live 9 were fixed.

WHATS NEW:

* New "Microtonal" MIDI Machine for playing microtonal music.
* Improved built-in help with index pages.
* Fixed plugin GUI issues in Ableton Live 9.
* Fixed missing warning labels for samplerate and buffer size.
* Fixed a crash bug in MIDI Machine.

We are currently working more on tracking optimisations, multi-channel midi and bass support. We'd also like to get out of BETA to signal that the software is ready for production environments. Getting out of BETA status will not change the pursuit for core technology improvements.

Lastly, just heads up to all of you who have participated in the very early beta phase (a year ago now...wow time flew): We are very thankful for all the testing and of course the free early adapter licenses that were distributed, many on KVR, are going to be valid onwards in version 1.x.. Thank you very much!"

You can find the download links near the bottom of the page:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=975 (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=359095&start=975)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on November 12, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
I've tried it for the last couple of days with a fretless electric mag pickups and a fretless nylon acoustic with a transducer piezo mounted inside the body and both trig better than my expectations , the biggest issue is bend (well it's not really bend but slide :) ),  but that's always a bit of a problem with fretless and midi, but it has to get better in order for it to work properly, but it's on it's way.
I'd love to plug in my fretless nylon in my macbook and mix the acoustic sound with a soft synth, a bit better pitchbend and a bit better trig in poly mode and I'm buying it
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on December 10, 2013, 12:25:08 PM
MIDI BASS beta version is now out too.

Quote
MIDI Bass 0.1 BETA is now available and its free for all MIDI Guitar customers.

MIDI Bass 0.1 BETA is the very first bass version of Jam Origin's audio tracking technology.

Being the first BETA version it has some limitations and issues. Most importantly it only tracks monophonic playing currently. It produce quite a few spurious hits and also has a high CPU usage. On the positive side latency should be quite good in the low end in particular.

We will use the next 5-10 months to improve the tracking and harvest experiences on a broader range of bass guitars and -players. During that time we will push out incremental updates to MIDI Bass, alongside MIDI Guitar updates. We can't really make bold claims about the future potential of the bass version yet - only that we will spend a substantial amount of time and investments in this research.

We are of course curious to hear about your experience with MIDI Bass, so please don't hesitate to report your findings by replying to this email.

Free licenses:

We are very thankful to all of You who have already supported us during the developments of MIDI Guitar. In return we have upgraded any license purchased for MIDI Guitar to also apply to MIDI Bass. In other words, you can use the same license file to activate MIDI Bass.

For everybody else, we are thankful for the interest and offer the same dual license deal until Jan 1st. 2014. Please consider to support our developments by purchasing the license here:
http://sites.fastspring.com/jamorigin/product/midi-guitar (http://sites.fastspring.com/jamorigin/product/midi-guitar)

Download MIDI Bass:
MIDI Bass 0.1.0 BETA for Windows (http://jamorigin.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=234907bc95cccad7133b8686c&id=eac25a083a&e=80d7e49eab)

MIDI Bass 0.1.0 BETA for Mac (http://jamorigin.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=234907bc95cccad7133b8686c&id=c36cc141c4&e=80d7e49eab)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on December 11, 2013, 09:05:45 AM
Quote from: gumtown on December 10, 2013, 12:25:08 PM
MIDI BASS beta version is now out too.

Yes I was going to post about this yesterday but I've been busy. I do have a 1985 era Cort bass that I use from time to time and I was testing out MIDI Bass with it last night and the tracking isn't bad but obviously since this is the initial beta they'll be working on it and improving it. I also found you don't get that annoying pop up window after a minute if you're using VST bass amps or other effects. What are your thoughts on it Gumtown?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on December 19, 2013, 09:40:31 AM
MIDI Guitar 1.0 is now available.

Throughout the last year MIDI Guitar have matured through extensive BETA testing. Since the latest versions have been stable for most in terms of compatibility and as more customers have expressed the need to use MIDI Guitar in production environments, we found it a good occasion to release version 1.0.

Version 1.0 adds nothing new really, if you are already using 0.9.7 BETA, but we have been working hard for new tracking improvements for a few months already and this pursuit will continue in updates and 1.x versions.

We are very thankful to everyone who supported us and are happy to announce that MIDI Bass is under development and free to everybody who purchased MIDI Guitar before 1. Jan. 2014 - simply use the same license file.

More info on MIDI Guitar and downloads:
http://jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar (http://jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fuzzfactory on December 30, 2013, 12:51:47 AM
all i can say is WOW....this is very very very cool
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on December 30, 2013, 12:13:47 PM
I ended up buying it. Not a bad deal as you get the MIDI Bass software thrown in for the same price. Hopefully they'll fix the issues with the MIDI Bass plugin using more CPU than the MIDI Guitar plugin but then again it's still a very early version.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 16, 2014, 12:43:07 AM
Is there anyone but me who's trying to get the best result from Jam Origin MG with a nylon acoustic ?
(in my case a fretless ditto )
I have a transducer piezo (shadow I believe)
mounted inside the body
about 2 inches towards the side
from the bridge down

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 16, 2014, 02:41:07 AM
Yes, I've tried it.
Transducers from the non-under-the-saddle-type deliver more resonances of the top wood, and therefore will give more errors with Midi Guitar, which is made for a dry signal without resonances.
You can try to hide the resonances with the sensitivity per note or an equalizer, but an under saddle piezo will do better, and normal electric guitar will perform best, there's not much you can change about that.


Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 16, 2014, 12:43:07 AM
Is there anyone but me who's trying to get the best result from Jam Origin MG with a nylon acoustic ?
(in my case a fretless ditto )
I have a transducer piezo (shadow I believe)
mounted inside the body
about 2 inches towards the side
from the bridge down
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 16, 2014, 04:24:47 AM
thanx for that answer,
I'll try my old steel-stringed ovation
with an under the bridge piezo and see if there's a big difference, it's not fretless though
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 19, 2014, 07:50:27 AM
A couple of comments:


I also play a lot of nylon string, but I've never tried using mine with MG. Have you tried using a mic by any chance? That is my preferred method for getting a nylon string's sound into my DAW. Also, I'm pretty sure that MG will be able to detect discrete notes only. IOW, a quarter tone or gliss, possible with a fretless instrument, will most likely not be recorded as such. It may well be that any inaccuracy in finger placement will result in no note being played.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 20, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Just to add to the above. I got to thinking about MidiGuitar and it's been a while since I've dinked around on it. So I don't happen to recall if it supports string bends. If it does, then never mind what I said about it supporting only scale tones only.


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gfmoore on February 21, 2014, 06:19:13 AM
I've had a play with this using windows 8.1, but I don't know much about midi, daws etc

Using a phono to usb cable I bought some time ago means I can get the thing working, but the latency is poor. (The cable seems to be essentially a soundcard, though why does it have an output!)

I suspect the default windows sound system - windows audio - is to blame, indeed the exclamation mark next to this says so. DirectSound? (Can't get that to work.) 

So, since I don't have a proper DAW: Cubase, Reaper whatever, (I have mucked around briefly with Mulab some time ago.), what should I do?

I suspect I'll be told to spend some money :(

Also I'm using 64 bit, can anyone suggest a (free) vst guitar plugin I can try, or indeed suggest many things I could try?

I suspect again, I'll be told to spend some money!

Anyway I can see the potential of this, but since I have a GR-55 which produces midi out as well (through some midi to usb cable I bought) do I really need to bother with Midi Guitar?


Ta.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 21, 2014, 07:35:40 AM
Since you're on a tight budget, you might want to give the apps on this list a closer look. They're all supposedly DAWs, and they're all free:

http://www.looperman.com/forum/thread/135115 (http://www.looperman.com/forum/thread/135115)

I don't have any experience with any of them, so there are none that I can recommend. I have used Audacity a fair amount, but its an audio editor, it doesn't support MIDI.

If you have enough room in your budget to consider buying some software, I would highly recommend Band in a Box, by PG Music. They've just released the 2014 version and have a special package they're offering right now, so even their most basic distribution has lots of add-ons. You can buy the basic package direct from PG for $129. Considering all the stuff PGM includes for that price, it's a helluva deal.  BiaB isn't really DAW software, but included in the price is a separate product, called Real Band, which is intended to be used in a DAW environment.

I've been a BiaB user for the past 15 years or so and I've used it with my DAW, as well as a stand-alone package. It works great as accompaniment software if you just feel like having what amounts to very good karaoke tracks that you can play along with -- or sing, if you want. To me, that's where it has always shined. Having a band that will play along with whatever tune it is I'm working on, without having all the hassles of dealing with an actual band of players. But as a music composer, I've found its capabilities to be very useful also. Consider: if you're like most songwriters, and you want others to play your song along with you, what do you do? If you're at all halfway organized, you'll have a set of charts that you can hand out. And these charts most likely will just be a chord progression, typically just a series of chord symbols, set to a melody, which may or may not have words associated with the melody.  And then you depend upon the individual band members' musicianship to add musicality to the charts.  Well, this is where BiaB shines. You can assign styles to your music -- many to choose from, quite a few of which will be included even with the cheapest options, but many more that are avaiable for an additional charge. A given "style" supplies the band pieces, typically keyboards, guitar, bass, and drums, and the styles in which these band pieces are played. You can add parts to the style too. Say you want a horn section. No problem, just a couple of mouse clicks and you've added horns to your composition. A nice thing about the BiaB interface is it is very easy to chart out a melody, and even easier to chart out a chord progression. And of course, it's meant to combine the two, so no worries there.

As a composer, what I often do is set up my chord progression in BiaB, select a style that is closest to what I want, and then generate the tune. Then I'll export this to a MIDI file, and import the MIDI file into my DAW software package, and do any final additions, tweaks, and mixdowns there. It has been a tremendous time saver in that respect. I end up not having to write drum lines and usually I can leave alone the keyboard, bass, and other parts except for some minor tweaks. Some purists will sniff and turn up their noses over this sort of composing, claiming it isn't really composition if I haven't scored out every single note and beat. To those people my typical retort is, "You've never played in a band, have you?" And they haven't, of course.

Here's a link to their current prices and the features that each version comes with:

http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.htm (http://www.pgmusic.com/bbwin.packages.htm)

As for free plugins, go here and visit the "free plug-ins" area:

http://www.pluginboutique.com/free (http://www.pluginboutique.com/free)

By the way, BiaB supports a variety of plug-ins. IK Multimedia has a free Amplitube app for iOS devices. They also offer a pretty cool guitar plug-in for Windows, but I don't think it's free.

As for your GR-55 vs. MIDI Guitar, my response would be, why bother with MG when you already own one of the best audio-to-digitar converters for guitar in existence? I own the older GR-33, and I've dinked around with MIDI Guitar, but it isn't even close to having the same level of functionality that I have with my GR-33.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 21, 2014, 07:46:54 AM
Other low cost  DAWs for Windows

www.reaper.fm (http://www.reaper.fm) (free evaluation) $60


https://ntrack.com/buy.php?lang=EN-US (https://ntrack.com/buy.php?lang=EN-US)


http://music.tutsplus.com/articles/what-is-the-best-daw-for-beginners--audio-11773 (http://music.tutsplus.com/articles/what-is-the-best-daw-for-beginners--audio-11773)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gfmoore on February 21, 2014, 07:51:59 AM
Thanks for the suggestions, but what about the Midi Guitar selection for Device Type? What is it asking for and does Reaper help me with this? I suspect it wants some kind of audio interface driver?

And you are right, why am I bothering since I have a gr55 - don't know really, just wanted to see what's what :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on February 21, 2014, 08:11:56 AM
You are going to need to an audio interface

Realize the GR-55 you already own is one

Be sure the Roland GR-55 USB Driver is installed  - connect a guitar  - edit a User patch on the GR-55 to enable  / activate the normal guitar PU audio signal path and connect GR-55 with USB to your Windows PC - launch   JamOrigin Midi Guitar and select "GR-55" as the Audio Interface Device type.

Learn about MIDI and DAWS here

www.tweakheadz.com (http://www.tweakheadz.com)
http://tweakheadz.com/the-noobs-and-beginners-guide-to-the-home-and-project-music-studio/ (http://tweakheadz.com/the-noobs-and-beginners-guide-to-the-home-and-project-music-studio/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gfmoore on February 21, 2014, 09:20:52 AM
Ahhh of course.   doh!

Anyhows, I managed to set up a trial copy of reaper (seeing how you'd recommended that in some thread I read weeks ago?) , figured out how to install the Minimogue VST (which wouldn't load into Midi Guitar? as won't many things?) Got that to work with the virtual keyboard. Then I installed a trial of ipMidi (midi over ethernet). and somehow after much trickery and waving of hands managed to get reaper and midi guitar to communicate and now in semi synth heaven.

The latency is a bit more than what I can see on the videos. i tried some ASIO drivers with Midi Guitar - the Fender one and the dreaded asio4all, but they crashed my laptop immediately when I selected them.

So will have a go next week when I get time with the gr-55.

And I need a sit down as this stuff is doing my head in, and I began programming with Fortran IV on an IBM mainframe a million years ago so you'd think my head would take it - oh no, not at all siree. Age may have something to do with it :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 23, 2014, 02:08:06 AM
Quote from: cooltouch on February 20, 2014, 01:59:18 AM
Just to add to the above. I got to thinking about MidiGuitar and it's been a while since I've dinked around on it. So I don't happen to recall if it supports string bends. If it does, then never mind what I said about it supporting only scale tones only.
Quote from: cooltouch on February 19, 2014, 07:50:27 AM
A couple of comments:


I also play a lot of nylon string, but I've never tried using mine with MG. Have you tried using a mic by any chance? That is my preferred method for getting a nylon string's sound into my DAW. Also, I'm pretty sure that MG will be able to detect discrete notes only. IOW, a quarter tone or gliss, possible with a fretless instrument, will most likely not be recorded as such. It may well be that any inaccuracy in finger placement will result in no note being played.
I use the transducer 'cause it's easy but also sounds and records as a condenser (well almost)
you can hear it here
https://soundcloud.com/brak-e-man-prod/winter (https://soundcloud.com/brak-e-man-prod/winter)

about mg
the notes and the gliss (even an octave) , quarter tone , microtones play great in the upper read e, b and gstring
and most ok on the other strings to, I'm an experienced fretless player so i don't think my technique is the problem,
rather the body tones in the lower register , I had almost the same problem with my fretted -74 ovation steelstring with a piezo.
I'll try  a regular mic but also a eq and compressor before MG and see what happens, i'll post a clip soon and even if it needs improvement  when i use the normal guitarsound mixed with a softsynth it work OK
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 23, 2014, 09:44:16 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 23, 2014, 02:08:06 AM
I use the transducer 'cause it's easy but also sounds and records as a condenser (well almost)
you can hear it here
https://soundcloud.com/brak-e-man-prod/winter (https://soundcloud.com/brak-e-man-prod/winter)

about mg
the notes and the gliss (even an octave) , quarter tone , microtones play great in the upper read e, b and gstring
and most ok on the other strings to, I'm an experienced fretless player so i don't think my technique is the problem,
rather the body tones in the lower register , I had almost the same problem with my fretted -74 ovation steelstring with a piezo.
I'll try  a regular mic but also a eq and compressor before MG and see what happens, i'll post a clip soon and even if it needs improvement  when i use the normal guitarsound mixed with a softsynth it work OK

Thanks for the additional information.

I'm listening to your improv up at Soundcloud and I have some questions. What I'm hearing is your guitar being played through your transducer, right?  I mean, I'm hearing straight audio and no midiguitar, correct? The sounds you're getting are fascinating. I have seen a six-course 11-string fretless nylon Godin once, but didn't get the opportunity to play it. Double strings for courses 1 to 5 and a single string for course 6. I'll bet that's an interesting guitar to play.

But yours is just six strings, correct? Can you tell me anything about this instrument? Brand name, features, etc.?

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 23, 2014, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: cooltouch on February 23, 2014, 09:44:16 AM
Thanks for the additional information.

I'm listening to your improv up at Soundcloud and I have some questions. What I'm hearing is your guitar being played through your transducer, right?  I mean, I'm hearing straight audio and no midiguitar, correct? The sounds you're getting are fascinating. I have seen a six-course 11-string fretless nylon Godin once, but didn't get the opportunity to play it. Double strings for courses 1 to 5 and a single string for course 6. I'll bet that's an interesting guitar to play.

But yours is just six strings, correct? Can you tell me anything about this instrument? Brand name, features, etc.?



That's a thread all by itself,
short answer

this is a plain yahama nylon which I unfretted myself
and yes it's only the transducer
I have about 6 acoustic and 6 electric fretless
(might be more)
including a dobro and a 12 string unison tuned steel-stringed acoustic (six-course )
and a custom double neck electric fretless/fretted with sympathetic strings
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6804.msg47178#msg47178 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6804.msg47178#msg47178)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 24, 2014, 08:02:43 AM
Again, fascinating!

I build guitars, specializing in classicals. I sort of backed into building 10-string classicals when the word got out that I would build them for a reasonable amount. Now the reason why I mention this is because, when I first started building classicals, I used the method of cutting frets as is described in Cumpiano and Natelson's Guitarmaking: Tradition and Technology. The way he shows how to cut frets is heavy into "tradition" and very light on "technology," because he shows how to measure fret distances and cut them  manually. I did this for my first few guitars before I bought a jig and a couple of templates from StewMac, which eliminated errors.

Of these first few guitars, one's intonation is good, another's is so-so, and the third's is annoying. This third guitar sounds good otherwise -- until one tries to tune it, and then it's a study in frustration. Somewhere between the 4th and the 9th frets, I've got at least one placed off far enough to make fine tuning impossible.

So as soon as I read that you play a fretless nylon string, a little light bulb went off in my head. Turning that guitar into a fretless one is probably the cheapest way there is to eliminating the issue I have with it.

Currently, I'm debating over what I should do with the fret slots. Should I fill them in with something dark, leaving only enough room for some sort of fret marker along the top edge of the finger board, or should I fill them in with a lighter substance -- such as white epoxy or maybe even brass shimstock -- such that the fret slot lines show. I'm tempted to do the latter. Even though it sort of goes against tradition, it will be easier for me to check my intonation at a glance.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 24, 2014, 08:43:25 AM
Quote from: cooltouch on February 24, 2014, 08:02:43 AM
Again, fascinating!

I build guitars, specializing in classicals. I sort of backed into building 10-string classicals when the word got out that I would build them for a reasonable amount. Now the reason why I mention this is because, when I first started building classicals, I used the method of cutting frets as is described in Cumpiano and Natelson's Guitarmaking: Tradition and Technology. The way he shows how to cut frets is heavy into "tradition" and very light on "technology," because he shows how to measure fret distances and cut them  manually. I did this for my first few guitars before I bought a jig and a couple of templates from StewMac, which eliminated errors.

Of these first few guitars, one's intonation is good, another's is so-so, and the third's is annoying. This third guitar sounds good otherwise -- until one tries to tune it, and then it's a study in frustration. Somewhere between the 4th and the 9th frets, I've got at least one placed off far enough to make fine tuning impossible.

So as soon as I read that you play a fretless nylon string, a little light bulb went off in my head. Turning that guitar into a fretless one is probably the cheapest way there is to eliminating the issue I have with it.

Currently, I'm debating over what I should do with the fret slots. Should I fill them in with something dark, leaving only enough room for some sort of fret marker along the top edge of the finger board, or should I fill them in with a lighter substance -- such as white epoxy or maybe even brass shimstock -- such that the fret slot lines show. I'm tempted to do the latter. Even though it sort of goes against tradition, it will be easier for me to check my intonation at a glance.

I have a similar story a Hopf that didn't intonate good enough
http://unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=history#1970 (http://unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=history#1970)
check 1977
since it's your first fretless it might be good to stay with lighter substance , I use a waterbased wood filler (sawdust mixed with glue) , that comes in whatever wood/colour you'd like
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 24, 2014, 08:44:42 AM
I'll get back to MG and try to post a clip tomorrow :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 24, 2014, 09:48:56 PM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 24, 2014, 08:43:25 AM
I have a similar story a Hopf that didn't intonate good enough
http://unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=history#1970 (http://unfretted.com/loader.php?LINK=history#1970)
check 1977
since it's your first fretless it might be good to stay with lighter substance , I use a waterbased wood filler (sawdust mixed with glue) , that comes in whatever wood/colour you'd like


I'm not new to no frets. I used to dink around on my bass player's fretless quite a bit but that was years ago. I also play a little bit of violin.


Yes, I had thought of using wood filler after I finished my above post. I think that would be the quickest and easiest way to go. I still have some blonde out in my shop, dunno whether it's still any good though.


I'm getting kinda jazzed about this. It won't take more than10 minutes or so to pull the frets. Add a bit more to repair any chipping that may occur, which is minimal if you remove frets using a soldering iron to heat them up as you remove them, and which is a virutal necessity when pulling frets with barbed tangs out of ebony.


Sounds like a good poject for tomorrow. I'll let you know how it turns out.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 25, 2014, 02:28:59 AM
A short clip with an acoustic fretless nylon stringed guitar through
a shadow transducer microphone mounted inside the body,
amplified with a T.C. Boost/Dist into a Behringer Guitar audio USB interface ( yeah I know)
the softsynth is mixed to loud on purpose and all's "live" through my macbook
no editing or add FX
played with no disregard for triggering ( and it's early in the morning so kinda sloppy )
It triggers OK in the treble but from the D-string down...
and I have to reboot now and then since it looses all sense of
triggering sometimes goes all over the place , not yet usable like this live,
but since I guess it's developed for electric guitar
not bad.
http://brakophonic.com/JOMGFretlessNylon.mp3 (http://brakophonic.com/JOMGFretlessNylon.mp3)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 25, 2014, 07:04:09 AM
Nice! My first impressions are that it sounds rather Metheney-esque.

There are some pretty decent Middle Eastern guys who play the fretless guitar and who have videos up on Youtube. It seems that most of them are Turkish. Turks play the Oud and I suppose a fretless guitar is a reasonable facsimile thereof (cf: Godin's fretless Guitar/Oud for example).

I think this guy is Turkish.  He's using a non-standard tuning of some sort.
Efrén López - Perdesiz Gitar Taksim (Fretless Guitar Taksim) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCq2LTHJMnE#ws)

"Erkan O?ur plays Chopin's Prelude in E-Minor Op.28 No.4 at Yazi Tura (Toss Up) OST, with his fretless guitar, accompanied by violin and human voice." Just a still image of O?ur, but his videos are all over Youtube. This is my favorite prelude by Chopin. Way back when I was a freshman music major, a flautist friend of mine and I played this tune as a duo. The guitar was pretty much the piano's left had, and the flute was the right.  I like O?ur's arrangement.
Erkan Ogur plays Chopin's Prelude E-Minor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSwnKFWZ0w#)

This fellow has really good right hand technique. Left hand's no slouch either. You can tell that he's got a good command of the fretboard by the way it's been pretty much evenly darkened from the 1st fret to the 12th. His improvisation reminds me a bit of yours:
Fretless Guitar "Perdesiz" Improvisation By Gilad Weiss (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRTJbRsj3bo#ws)

Huh. VGuitar needs to install some international character font sets so that the ha?ek over the g is displayed instead of a question mark. O?ur is Ogur with the 'ha?ek' symbol above the 'g'.  Well, that didn't work. The board software doesn't like the 'hacheck' over the 'c' either. The symbol looks like the 'caret' symbol (the one used for exponents on the keyboard, which appears above the '6'), but inverted. In Linguistics, we use the symbol to indicate palatalization of a consonant. The hacheck over a 'c' is used to indicate the 'ch' sound as is found in "church." Over the 'j' it's used to indicate the sound heard in "judge" (both the j and the g in that example). The Turkish 'g hacheck' is pronounced as an extension of the previous vowel.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 26, 2014, 02:42:27 AM
After trying the exact same set up as with the fretless nylon acoustic , but with a fretless SG , I can say that there's a huge difference in the lower register, so i guess that the body resonance is the major issue at the moment with hooking up a acoustic to MG
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on February 26, 2014, 05:49:48 PM
Oh well -- another possibility would be to go with the RMC saddle transducers (and accompanying circuitry) for a 13-pin hookup to GR and VG systems. I used to own a Godin Multiac that was GR capable. Each string had an individual saddle that was a separate metal transducer unit. Given that they're metal I'm thinking they would probably sound fine acoustically. The Multiac, when played as if it were just a straight electric, had good sustain. But being a solid-body (more or less -- I think it may have been chambered), it sounded like the Chet Atkins Gibson solid body nylon string, which is to say it had a very plastic sound quality to it.

I pulled the frets from my classical last night. It took a bit longer than I estimated -- 15 minutes instead of 10. Even when using the soldering iron to heat up the frets for removal, I still got a small amount of chipping so I'm going to have to do some filling before I do any marker inlay. The whole process will be an afternoon's project. If I can get started on it tomorrow afternoon, I should have it strung up by tomorrow evening.


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 27, 2014, 03:05:21 AM
The rcm would be too expensive and too much work to have on all the acoustic guitars,
the one thing about JO MG that I really like is that I can use the pickups in all the guitars
I tried the 12 string unison tuned steel-stringed acoustic (six-course )
today in mono mode , here's a short clip
this has a under the bridge piezo and a built in preamp
(so it has a more nasal sound then the transducer)
otherwise it's the same set up as before

www.brakophonic.com/12_string_6_voice_steel_string_ac.mp3 (http://www.brakophonic.com/12_string_6_voice_steel_string_ac.mp3)

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.brakophonic.com%2FNewguitars%2FYamahafront.jpg&hash=04576411d846edc98b6332696d1a6a0bfd91cd3f)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on March 05, 2014, 04:15:18 AM
A longer test with acoustic fretless nylon stringed guitar through
a softsynth  and a software live looper + the nylon fretless sound with a resonance plugin
the same setup as earlier


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7531.msg77964#msg77964 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7531.msg77964#msg77964)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on April 24, 2014, 09:20:07 AM

A JH homage or fromage PH


(https://i3.sndcdn.com/artworks-000077272691-jtaz4l-t200x200.jpg?28a3374)


https://soundcloud.com/brakophonic-brak-e-man/purple-haze (https://soundcloud.com/brakophonic-brak-e-man/purple-haze)




Anders Berg // Bass , Drums and Noise
Gunnar Backman // Fretted and Fretless acoustic and virtual Guitar

acoustic fretless nylon stringed guitar through
a softsynth  and a software live looper + the nylon fretless sound with a resonance plugin
the same setup as earlier + a Ovation Breadwinner through a laptop amp-emulator

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 03, 2014, 07:10:33 AM
I saw this on the internet the Jam Origin MIDI Guitar for under 100 bucks and no pickup????
Did anyone try it? Can't believe that this working good. If so we don't need FTP or GK or Axon anymore....
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 03, 2014, 08:11:58 AM
Use search

Existing JamOrigin thread with 7pages is here.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7530.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=7530.0)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 03, 2014, 08:44:29 AM
Just finding out about this. How are the findings after some years now? how is it holding up against Tripleplay and Roland GK?
What are the pros and cons. Have read some pages but not all. Can someone give a short update? Thanks!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 03, 2014, 09:23:24 AM
It gets the job done.
Same developer has IPad / win/ OSX / GarageBand versions too.
Many enjoy the fact this app allows wireless guitars to drive MIDI synths.
IMHO , it will never be as fast and low latency as TriplePlay, nor allow the full Feature set of premium divided pickup based hardware guitar to MIDI systems, like fretboard range /string splits to drive separate synths at same time.


There are competitors, but most have bailed after seeing what Jam Origin provides.

Although there remain other third party option for real time guitar to MIDI on IOS IPad.
http://www.secretbasedesign.com/apps/midimorphosis (http://www.secretbasedesign.com/apps/midimorphosis)


But Jam Origin works as good as a software only based real time guitar to MIDI app can. Be sure to go to the developers site.


http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/index.html (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/index.html)


And know that if you need non real time guitar to MIDI , Sonar has this capability
http://blog.cakewalk.com/easy-audio-to-midi/ (http://blog.cakewalk.com/easy-audio-to-midi/)


and most agree Celemony Melodyne performs this task best.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4764.msg32262#msg32262 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4764.msg32262#msg32262)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on May 04, 2014, 03:27:08 PM
Quote from: Elantric on May 03, 2014, 09:23:24 AM

There are competitors, but most have bailed after seeing what Jam Origin provides.

Although there remain other third party option for real time guitar to MIDI on IOS IPad.
http://www.secretbasedesign.com/apps/midimorphosis (http://www.secretbasedesign.com/apps/midimorphosis)

[ . . . ]

And know that if you need non real time guitar to MIDI , Sonar has this capability
http://blog.cakewalk.com/easy-audio-to-midi/ (http://blog.cakewalk.com/easy-audio-to-midi/)


I've watched the Midimorphosis demo a few times, and I honestly find it much more impressive than the last version of the JamOrigins beta I tried. Although it's restricted to iOS, I plan to purchase a copy for my iPad soon.


Thanks for the heads-up on the Sonar X3 feature. I wasn't aware of this. I'm still using X2 and have been dragging my feet with respect to upgrading, but perhaps this may push me across. I don't need real-time MIDI conversion, and I've always used my GR-33 for this in the past, but being able to pass any guitar track through this "filter" can be a significant advantage.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 05, 2014, 01:02:10 AM
Thanks for the replies. Think I will try the demo. Didn't know about Midimorphosis. Will have a look at that to.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on May 05, 2014, 03:56:47 AM
Midimorphosis does not work as well as Midiguitar but it does have some features that are nice. For best results run it in mono there is a bit of a lag in polly.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 06, 2014, 03:16:43 PM
Trying out the Midi Guitar software. I am not disappointing. Tracking is not bad. Only if you play more notes at the same it doesn't track all the notes. Especially not notes on the lower strings high on the neck when playing as a chord.

I have two question:
-I doesn't follow guitar bendings. I have pitch bend enabled. Are bending/vibrato still not supported? that would be a  deal breaker for me.
-I am using Ableton. The Midi Guitar instructions say that I should select the audio track that has Midi Guitar as the input of a Midi track. But in 'Midi From' tab it doesn't show the audio track. So right now I am not able to use other vst synths only the build in Midi Guitar sounds.

Any ideas?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 06, 2014, 03:32:06 PM
http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/daw-setup-guides/#toggle-id-1 (http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/daw-setup-guides/#toggle-id-1)

In Preferences / Audio, check that Audio Input Device and Audio Output Device are correct.
In Preferences / Audio, check that In/Out Sample Rate is 44100
In Preferences / Audio, check that Buffer Size is 256 or 128 samples
In Preferences / File Folder, set "Use VST Plug-in System Folders" to Yes on Mac OS X and make sure the MIDI Guitar VST is found on Windows.
Press Tab key to access Arrangement View
Click "I-O" button to show In/Out section
Click "M" button to show Mixer section
Make sure you have an Audio Track named "1 Audio" and a MIDI track named "2 MIDI"
Add MIDI Guitar VST to "1 Audio" track
Click "In" button on the "1 Audio track" to verify that MIDI Guitar works with your audio interface.
Select "1 Audio" as "Input Type" for "2 MIDI" track to redirect MIDI from MIDI Guitar to your MIDI track.
Arm recording for "2 MIDI" track to record MIDI from MIDI Guitar.
Click Record and then Play to start recording MIDI from MIDI Guitar.


http://youtu.be/QNAJpCIij6c (http://youtu.be/QNAJpCIij6c)


Published on Jan 7, 2013
How to use JamOrigins MIDI Guitar VST with Ableton Live 8

Get MIDI Guitar here: http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/... (http://www.jamorigin.com/midi-guitar/...)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 06, 2014, 03:33:34 PM
Quote from: Elantric on May 06, 2014, 03:32:06 PM
Select "1 Audio" as "Input Type" for "2 MIDI" track to redirect MIDI from MIDI Guitar to your MIDI track.

Yes I have followed the exact instructions. But my audio track doesn't show up at my Midi tracks input. I can not select it. I can select Midi Guitar#1 but that's not it.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 06, 2014, 03:37:16 PM
Contact JamOrigin

http://jamorigin.com/contact/ (http://jamorigin.com/contact/)

http://youtu.be/0Mg4ciKrOTo (http://youtu.be/0Mg4ciKrOTo)


http://youtu.be/hZwzQVH_vyY (http://youtu.be/hZwzQVH_vyY)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 06, 2014, 03:41:09 PM
ok thanks. Not sure if it's a Midi Guitar or Ableton issue though. What about the guitar pitch bends? are those still not supported?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 06, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
Pitch bend is supported - read the Documentation.

Your target Synth must have its pitch bend range setting match the same range as in MIDI Guitar

See MIDI Guitar's Pitch Bend settings in the lower center screenshot here

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjamorigin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2013%2F10%2Fmidi-guitar-advanced.png&hash=a89c9e6cff6e7099b9d5b89f92aaeffa8e36d3c7)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 06, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: Elantric on May 06, 2014, 04:02:55 PM
Pitch bend is supported - read the Documentation.

Which documentation are you referring to? Can't find it on the website. Pitch bend suddenly worked not sure what went wrong...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 06, 2014, 04:28:01 PM
http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/ (http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/)

http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/quick-start/ (http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/quick-start/)

http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/daw-setup-guides/ (http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/daw-setup-guides/)

http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/f-a-q/ (http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/f-a-q/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Synth Nicolas on May 06, 2014, 05:36:25 PM
Thanks for that. I saw that too. But when you click documentation there is very little to see beside that general short text.
Beginning to like Midi Guitar! Managed to get the soft synths going but still not able to records midi by getting the audio in in midi input. Think I will contact Jam Origin.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 09, 2014, 02:02:55 PM
http://www.musicappblog.com/midi-guitar-review/ (http://www.musicappblog.com/midi-guitar-review/)

MIDI Guitar review – audio-to-MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
May 9, 2014
MIDI Guitar review – audio-to-MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
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badge appstore lrg MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam OriginMIDI Guitar logo MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam OriginI posted a review of the YouRock Guitar MIDI controller for guitar players earlier this week and, having got myself on a MIDI guitar roll, thought I'd follow that up by taking a look at one of the leading audio-to-MIDI convertor apps as a comparison. Jam Origin's app – simply called MIDI Guitar – has been around on the App Store for some time and, in a nutshell, takes an audio signal, identifies the pitch, and then outputs a MIDI note of the same pitch.
However, to coincide with the release of desktop version of the software, Jam Origin have recently launched a major update to the iOS app. Version 2.0 was introduced a few weeks ago and apparently brings some significant improvements in pitch tracking and latency. Indeed, while the iOS app has been around for nearly 2 years, the latest version has clearly benefited from the development work done on the desktop version and both are now based on this newer conversion engine.
Play the blues

I lamented the lot of the MIDI-hungry guitar player in the YouRock Guitar review so I'll not cover all the same ground again here. In short, however, there are a number of technologies that attempt to provide guitarists with a means of getting MIDI data from their guitar playing skills and, even after 25+ years of trying, none of these technologies has really fully cracked the problem.
Three main approaches can be identified; the MIDI pickup, fretboard based note triggers and audio-to-MIDI conversion. Roland's GK-3 pickup is an example of the first and the pickup essentially detects the frequency of vibration of each guitar string and converts that into a pitch and then into a MIDI note. The YouRock Guitar is an example of the second approach with its rubber 'strings' on the neck that are, in effect, sensors so the device knows which string/fret combination you are fingering and therefore which note you want to play.
midi guitar main screen 1024x768 MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
MIDI Guitar – audio-to-MIDI conversion for iOS.
And in the third category we get apps such as MIDI Guitar. Here, rather like pitch correction software such as AutoTune which can work in real-time on a live vocal, MIDI Guitar detects the pitch of the incoming guitar note. However, instead of then correcting that note so it is 'in tune', it then converts the detected pitch into the appropriate MIDI note. The problem with this approach (and also with MIDI pickups) is that the pitch detection/MIDI note conversion process does take some time and, while this conversion latency has decreased significantly with faster computer processors, it can still be an issue. Trigger-based approaches such as the YouRock Guitar don't suffer from this but, at the same time, you are not playing a real guitar; just something that looks a bit like a guitar and has the notes in the same places.
Put jam on it

Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar is a free app and, in this free version, you can experiment with the app's various features. However, once you have decided whether it might serve your purposes, there is an IAP for UK£13.99 that removes the occasional time-out messages that appear when you use the various MIDI output options.
I think this 'free+IAP' approach is commendable for this type of app. It allows you to give the technology a through workout to see if you are comfortable with it before you stump up what is, in app terms, a relatively high price. That said, UK£13.99 is significantly less expensive than the desktop version of MIDI Guitar (US$99.95), a switch-based system such as the YouRock Guitar or a MIDI pickup. As all three of these different approaches have their strengths and weaknesses, being able to try before you buy is most welcome whatever the actual cost.
So what does MIDI Guitar offer? Well, perhaps the first thing to say is that this is pretty much plug and play. Providing you have a means of getting decent quality audio from your guitar into your iPhone or iPad (the app is universal), then MIDI Guitar will be able to function. I did my testing using an iRig PRO and had no problems getting audio into MIDI Guitar on my iPad Air test system.
midi guitar multiple notes 1024x245 MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
MIDI Guitar offers a choice of output destinations for the MIDI data including Virtual MIDI so it ought to work with pretty much any other iOS app.
The app offers three different forms of MIDI communication. First, it supports Virtual MIDI so it can send MIDI data out to other iOS apps that will accept it. Second, it can transport MIDI data over WiFi so, if you have your iPad or iPhone connected to a desktop Mac or PC via WiFi you could use MIDI Guitar to send MIDI data to a desktop virtual instrument or DAW/sequencer. Finally, if you have the an iOS hardware add-on that offers a cabled MIDI out port, you can use MIDI Guitar to transmit MIDI data out via that route to a hardware MIDI device such as a synth or, again, to the MIDI in of a MIDI interface on a desktop computer. Obviously, a cable-based connection is generally more reliable and faster than using WiFi.
And while I said there are three different modes there is, actually, a fourth mode as the app also provides its own sound source – a simple sample-based acoustic piano – although you are probably only going to use this during some initial testing.
Get connected

MIDI Guitar includes a set of basic instructions for getting everything connected covering each of the three main MIDI routes listed above. However, in truth, the MIDI Guitar element of this is a breeze (the same might not always be said of MIDI over WiFi but I've covered that topic previously on the blog for both Mac and PC users). The main screen is very simply laid out and, depending upon where you want the MIDI data to go, you simply toggle through the available options under the Output Route setting. This includes the test piano sound, virtual MIDI, Network Session 1 (for WiFi), Direct Output (for cable WiFi) and, if you have any suitable MIDI apps running in the background, a entry is also shown for these. The bottom line here is that I had absolutely no problems getting MIDI Guitar to send MIDI data out to my chosen target.
midi guitar latency settings 1024x282 MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
MIDI Guitar allows you to choose between low/high latency settings and monophonic or polyphonic pitch detection.
The app automatically detected and selected my iRig PRO audio input and when you hit a string on your guitar, the Input Level Meter lights up to confirm a suitable audio signal has been received. Again, I had no problems with this process and simply used the gain control on the iRig PRO to get a suitable input level signal that didn't flash into the red too often.
Don't be late

The other settings are equally straightforward. You can choose between monophonic or polyphonic modes, low or high latency and the input (MIDI velocity) sensitivity. The latter is useful as it gives you some adjustment to how the app responds depending upon your own particular playing style. In days of (not so) old, monophonic pitch detection was all you got. This was fine if you just wanted to create melody lines or bass parts but not so useful for chords. Fortunately, the sate of the art for pitch detection has moved on considerably and MIDI Guitar also offers a polyphonic mode; chords can now be attempted.
As you might expect, the pitch detection doesn't have to work quite so hard if you choose monophonic rather than polyphonic but, in either case, MIDI Guitar highlights the detected notes along a strip at the base of the screen. Oh, and do remember to tune your guitar before you start. Open tunings are fine but just make sure you use a tuner to do it; being 30-50 cents off for every string might be fine to your ears as everything is in tune in relative terms but MIDI Guitar wants notes that all work relative to 440Hz :-)
Depending upon your generation of iOS device and what other loads you are putting the device under, you can also choose between two latency settings. On my iPad Air I was able to leave MIDI Guitar on the lower 6ms setting without any issues but the 'high' 11ms setting is there if required and uses less CPU.
Does it work?

OK, so the basic setup is fairly straightforward and the potential quite obvious; but does MIDI Guitar actually work? Well, yes it does and, given that I've tried (in hope) many different MIDI Guitar systems over the years and, on the whole, always felt generally underwhelmed, I have to say MIDI Guitar was a bit of a pleasant surprise. And given the very modest price relative to a dedicated hardware solution, the results are way better than the price gives them any right to be. Perfect it is not but value for money it most certainly is.
When used to drive other iOS apps running on the same iPad (and at the lower latency setting mentioned above), in either polyphonic or monophonic modes, MIDI Guitar seemed very responsive. Yes, I think you can perceive just the very slightest of delay between plucking a guitar string and the MIDI notes sounding (and some people will be more sensitive to this than others) but, unless you are playing drums (where even that tiny delay can sometimes throw you off), it is certainly something I could live with.
Equally, I was impressed with just how well the polyphonic mode detects pitch. Yes, you need to be pretty clean with your playing technique but, of the whole, the results are useable once you have put in a little practice and adjusted to what's required. Slow strums (perhaps more fast arpeggios?) work well enough but don't try rhythmic strumming. All this is likely to do is generate a lot of false MIDI notes. Indeed, while I usually play with a pick, I found the best way to play chords was to fingerpick (pluck) them. Even then some care is required but it can be done.
midi guitar network session 1024x259 MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
MIDI Guitar can work across a WiFi network to send MIDI data to your desktop computer.
I was also impressed with how well MIDI Guitar coped with hammer-on/pull-off or tapping. Indeed, providing you have the input level set sensibly, tapping (even two-handed tapping) works well enough to enable some quite fast runs to be played. Again, unless your technique is super accurate (mine's not) you will still get some false triggers but, provided you are willing to do a little MIDI editing in your sequencer, it is most certainly useable.
Of course, it's not all good news. As mentioned above, anything but the slowest of strumming is not likely to be well received. In addition, however, MIDI Guitar doesn't seem to do pitch bend. If you do bend a note on your guitar, the app simply 'pitch corrects' to the nearest note centre and then, when you bend so that the nearest note centre changes, the app simply jumps to the new note; there is no simulation of the effect of a pitch bend wheel.
I can appreciate exactly why Jam Origin have gone for this approach. Guitar tuning is a bit of a wild ride at the best of times and building an algorithm that tracks every subtle variation in pitch, while it can be done, would obviously create a trade-off with the number of duff notes generated and, given all the extra pitch information that would be transmitted, the amount of MIDI data that then gets transmitted. Incidentally, the other obvious iOS candidate for audio-to-MIDI conversion – MIDImorphosis by Secret Base Design – does have a pitch-bend option and, sensibly, you can toggle it on/off as required.
No wires?

I didn't get the chance to try MIDI Guitar via a wired MIDI connection to an external MIDI device (synth/desktop sequencer) but I would expect the response to be very similar to using the app with synths on the same iPad. However, I did experiment with the WiFi connection. I hooked up my iPad to my iMac via a dedicated network as usual and then transmitted MIDI data from MIDI Guitar via the Network Session port to various virtual instruments running within Cubase.
On the whole, this worked pretty well. It doesn't, of course, change the quality of the pitch tracking/MIDI note conversion within the app itself. However, what it does do is add a further element of latency as the MIDI data generated is transferred via WiFi to your desktop computer. I don't know what your own experience of this might be but as you get some feedback on the data transfer latency to an iMac when doing this, I know that this can vary somewhat from session to session (for no obvious reason I can think of other than WiFi interference or other traffic sharing the network). For me, at least, more often than not, the overall latency of the two processes (audio-to-MIDI + WiFi MIDI data transfer) just began to get beyond my musical comfort zone. If I was triggering a sound with a slowish attack (a synth pad, for example) it wasn't too distracting. However, for anything with a short attack (drums, piano, etc.) I found the delay between plucking the string and hearing the note just a little off putting.
midi guitar apollo 1024x768 MIDI Guitar review – audio to MIDI conversion app from Jam Origin
MIDI Guitar was quite happy to send MIDI data to Apollo which could then use the faster Bluetooth connectivity to send the data on to my iMac.
Thankfully, under iOS/OSX, we also have the option of Apollo MIDI over Bluetooth. Having connected my iPad and iMac using Apollo, and set MIDI Guitar's output destination to Apollo on my iPad, this provided a noticeable improvement. Still not perfect but certainly preferable to a WiFi connection. The bottom line here though would be that I'd want to explore using a cable-based MIDI connection between iPad and desktop if I was going to rely on MIDI Guitar for any serious amount of MIDI data creation on my desktop system.
In summary

As mentioned earlier, the other obvious candidate in the audio-to-MIDI conversion category on the App Store is MIDImorphosis (UK£5.49). Both apps do a remarkable job given their price and, as an entry into the world of MIDI guitar playing, they are very inexpensive solutions.
MIDImorphosis and MIDI Guitar do the same core job but, equally, also have some differences in their feature set. For example, MIDImorphosis offers that pitch-bend mode I mentioned earlier and also provides dual MIDI ports. However, as you can try MIDI Guitar for free, it clearly is a 'no risk' option if you just want to experiment in the first instance.
If you are a complete newbie to MIDI guitar technology – or perhaps an old hand just looking for a simple solution under iOS – audio-to-MIDI apps like MIDI Guitar and MIDImorphosis have a lot to recommend them. This technology has come a long way in the last few years. Like any MIDI guitar system, it requires some considerable adaptation of playing technique and, while it perhaps doesn't offer some of the features found in a more expensive hardware solution such as the YouRock Guitar or a MIDI pickup like the Roland GK-3, neither does it bring the same financial commitment. As a starting point for a journey into the (sometimes rather murky) world of MIDI guitar playing, Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar therefore has a lot to recommend it.


http://www.musicappblog.com/yourock-guitar-review/ (http://www.musicappblog.com/yourock-guitar-review/)

http://www.musicappblog.com/midimorphosis-music-app-review/ (http://www.musicappblog.com/midimorphosis-music-app-review/)

http://www.musicappblog.com/midimorphosis-update/ (http://www.musicappblog.com/midimorphosis-update/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on April 22, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
It's been awhile but the folks at Jamorigin are bringing out version 2.0 of MIDI Guitar. More information here: http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-wait-is-over/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-wait-is-over/)
I'm really hoping that version 2.0 will address the inconsistency with chords.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 22, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
Quote from: Kenmac on April 22, 2015, 09:23:46 AM
It's been awhile but the folks at Jamorigin are bringing out version 2.0 of MIDI Guitar. More information here: http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-wait-is-over/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-wait-is-over/)
I'm really hoping that version 2.0 will address the inconsistency with chords.

JamOrigin is already very good; any improvement is welcome.  Do you happen to know whether this announcement is for the desktop version, the iOS version, or both?  They've been quiet too long on the iOS front.  I'd love to see pitch bend implemented there.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on April 22, 2015, 12:07:58 PM
wonder if it will be a free update for full users
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on April 23, 2015, 12:35:43 PM
Quote from: mbenigni on April 22, 2015, 10:24:17 AM
JamOrigin is already very good; any improvement is welcome.  Do you happen to know whether this announcement is for the desktop version, the iOS version, or both?  They've been quiet too long on the iOS front.  I'd love to see pitch bend implemented there.
Apparently it's for all the platforms. Here's what they wrote on the website back in January.

"January 5, 2015/in MIDI Bass, MIDI Guitar, News /by Jam Origin

2014 was a great year for us at Jam Origin. The reception of MIDI Guitar has been overwhelmingly positive and we have been thrilled by the feedback from users. Meanwhile, we've had a whole year to do our research and we have been able to devote it entirely to new developments of technology that will power the next generation of audio/midi solutions.

We plan to release the following products in 2015:

MIDI Guitar 2.0.
This update will be free for all customers.
The App Store/Mac Store cousins MIDI Guitar for iOS and MIDI Guitar for Garageband might get an update too.
MIDI Bass 0.2 BETA.
Tracking and performance improvements, plus most of the new features of MG 2.0.
MIDI Violin 0.1 BETA.
More info will be available via our mailing list.
And one more thing... a new kind of thing... for guitarists.
More info will appear on this site, but for more info on joining beta's and for notification about all of our releases, please consider signing up to our mailing list.

Wishing you all a great 2015!
Stay tuned.
Jam Origin"


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on April 23, 2015, 12:36:33 PM
Quote from: Headless68 on April 22, 2015, 12:07:58 PM
wonder if it will be a free update for full users

Yes it will, see my reply to Mark.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on April 23, 2015, 01:22:21 PM
Cool - been full user for about a year but not had the update email - sounds interesting - wonder what the 'something else for guitarists' is ??? :-)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: ainsoph on April 27, 2015, 03:31:55 AM
News about MIDI Guitar 2 major tracking improvements and new features  :

http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-release-notes/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-release-notes/)

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjamorigin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F04%2Fmidi-guitar-2-hotspots.jpg&hash=f18b4361a52c455aa663b887faa783a0ef6fa6a7)

TUESDAY 28TH. AROUND 19PM GMT:
THE NEW BETA IS AVAILABLE ON THE MIDI GUITAR PRODUCT PAGE.
TUESDAY 28TH. AROUND 1 PM GMT:
EVERYONE ON THE MAILING LIST SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A DOWNLOAD LINK.
(IF NOT PLEASE CHECK YOUR SPAM FILTER)
THANK YOU FOR ALL THE FEEDBACK – WE'LL TRY OUR BEST TO REPLY BACK TO EVERYONE!

MIDI GUITAR 2 – RELEASE NOTES
This is some background information about MIDI Guitar 2, how it came to be, what's new in it, and where we go from here.

About two years ago (half a year before before the release of MIDI Guitar 1) we had some signs that there were significant tracking improvements waiting to be picked up, somewhere in the estranged intersection of signal processing, neural networks and laws of physics. We begun development of version 2 while finishing MIDI Guitar 1.

I had written some kind of manifesto on my wall. It was all about tracking improvements but I didn't quite know how to make sense of it at the time. In free translation and retrospect, it was something like this:

A kind of Manifesto
Don't ever miss a single note, regardless of how fast you play, how you pick or hammer-on, pull-off or tab. Either the note is sounding or its not. And if it is there we should catch it. Music is unforgiving.
Setup options don't help. Why do we need those setup options? Its not like our human brain has to try out and roll back different settings before it can recognize a sound. It should just work.
Velocity is a big deal. We all love guitars for their dynamics. The MIDI domain should be no different. If velocity is wrong it's no longer a guitar.
It's not about guitars. It's not about what type of guitar or pickups you play, not even about vibrating strings. It's is really about making sense of various forms of noise – only then it will be robust.
Don't go with physics. It won't go with you.

Major tracking improvements
It has been almost 2 years now – of hard work on version 2 (making it 7 years in total). And oh dear, it has been a long and windy road. At times we even considered a full stop and spend our time solving less daunting problems instead. Thankfully its here now – and where are we?

The manifesto was meant to set the overall direction, but it has made an impact, and each point above corresponds to tracking improvements you will find in MIDI Guitar 2, albeit less bold:

It is much more sensitive than version 1, and even in the fastest legato runs it is unlikely to ever miss a note.
There are no longer any tracking setup options. It just works.
The velocity response is much greatly improved and it does indeed seem to translate into an improved feel.
Tracking is more robust across various kind of guitars and playing styles. Indeed the same technology will be soon powering software for other instruments (bass and violin are first in line).
Latency was reduced, especially for the monophonic setting and generally on hollow body and half-acoustic guitars.
All that said, I certainly don't want to claim everything is solved by now or that MIDI Guitar 2 is perfect, but I hope you too will experience that it has come a long way.

There are currently a few caveats to the above:

First, the high sensitivity means that it picks up everything. It might be a problem for some players, especially when driving not-so-velocity-sensitive synths. We found that sloppy guitar players usually like the higher sensitivity as notes will be picked up even with sloppy articulations, but they will have to be careful to not trigger a wrong note. We will make some adjustments in the next BETAs based upon user feedback so please let us know how you feel.
Related to this, the monophonic tracking is faster than ever, but it might be a little too wild at the moment, and we expect it to have an update for that within a couple of weeks.
Finally, there is actually one setup option. It's a noise gate but it is easy to deal with as it only has effect when you are not playing. It is the only means you have to interact with the tracking system. One thing to keep in mind is that for fast legato runs you might need to turn down this noise gate (to pick up very soft notes).
Please remember this is a BETA release and a tech preview. As users get hands on and we receive feedback it is inevitable that we need to adjust some things and fix some bugs. Thus, in the coming weeks we will bring a series of MG2 updates based upon feedback from all of you. The missing plugins will be released and hopefully we will be out of BETA within weeks. Soon after, bass and violin players will get a long awaited treatment.

Please let us know about your experience. In the times of updates it can be difficult for us to answer every email (and still have time to work on the updates) but we will do our best, and any feedback is much appreciated.

New features
MIDI Guitar 2 is not only about tracking improvements. We've sneaked in a many new features as well.

Hoover over the hotspots in the image to get descriptions of new features.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 27, 2015, 07:30:04 AM
QuoteVelocity is a big deal. We all love guitars for their dynamics. The MIDI domain should be no different. If velocity is wrong it's no longer a guitar.

You have my attention...

I really hope these new features make it to the iOS version as well as the Mac/PC versions.   I own both, but I almost never have a laptop on hand.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on April 27, 2015, 09:27:18 AM
Quote from: ainsoph on April 27, 2015, 03:31:55 AM
News about MIDI Guitar 2 major tracking improvements and new features  :

http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-release-notes/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-release-notes/)

Yes, I was just about to post about this. It sounds like they're really committed to making version 2 much better than the original. Looking forward to trying out the beta.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on April 27, 2015, 01:38:59 PM
The pre release info sounds promising - looking forward to giving it a try if it's as big a leap in performance as suggested
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: sine_3000 on April 27, 2015, 05:38:37 PM
Definitely looks interesting!  Thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Albert on April 28, 2015, 04:44:20 AM
Just tried the new beta for like 10 minutes: I already liked the tracking, but it has massively improved. Also pickups hammer-ons etc. No bends to pitchbend in this version yet. Overall way better so far than my hardware-guitarsynths when it comes to midi tracking. More to follow when I've had a chance to play with it some more.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 28, 2015, 07:00:53 AM
Quote from: Albert on April 28, 2015, 04:44:20 AM
Just tried the new beta for like 10 minutes:

Which version?  (Is there more than one version?  Their website is a little vague on this point.)
Never mind - just got their email.  Mac and Windows, apparently no iOS for the time being.  :(

QuoteNo bends to pitchbend in this version yet.

Bummer.  That's kind of the big kahuna for me.  And the question is, can they enable seamless pitch bend - especially in poly mode - without compromising performance in some other regard?  Seems likely there will be some kind of tradeoff there.

QuoteOverall way better so far than my hardware-guitarsynths when it comes to midi tracking. More to follow when I've had a chance to play with it some more.

You're the first person besides myself to say this.  It seems so unlikely, and yet I agree - I get more reliable glitch-free tracking out of JamOrigin than I do from my GR55.  (Maybe I'm doing something very wrong with the GR55 LOL.)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 28, 2015, 07:23:50 AM
QuoteOverall way better so far than my hardware-guitarsynths when it comes to midi tracking.

Not to deny the tech of JamOrigin, but when I hear people say:

"JamOrigin is way better so far than my hardware-guitarsynths when it comes to midi tracking."

To me,  this translates to :

"I never tried the Fishman Tripleplay"

FTP has spoiled me for all other Guitar to MIDI solutions

QuoteI get more reliable glitch-free tracking out of JamOrigin than I do from my GR55

Here's my Guitar to MIDI preference order, based upon real use / ownership.

1 ) You Rock Guitar GenII -  when fret tapping only, Fastest / lowest latency / least glitches

2 ) Fishman Tripleplay -  playing real guitar strings this is the Fastest / lowest latency /  least glitches Guitar to MIDI System

3 ) Roland GP-10 - Fastest Roland Guitar to MIDI unit when used with recent Mac OSX playing real guitar strings

4 )Roland GR-30 -  Fastest Roland Guitar to MIDI unit when used with5 pin MIDI Out playing real guitar strings

5) Jamorigin - Not bad for an all software pitch to MIDi system, but not as good as the above.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 28, 2015, 07:40:26 AM
All I can say to this point is that I prefer JamOrigin over the GR-55.  The GR-55 is the only hardware pitch-to-MIDI I've owned in many years.  I would love to try the Tripleplay at some point, but I'm not prepared to spend the money without a test drive, and that's not easy to arrange.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 28, 2015, 07:43:04 AM
QuoteAll I can say to this point is that I prefer JamOrigin over the GR-55

I agree - the GR-55 is laggy for Guitar to MIDI, and NOT Roland's best effort.

My GR-55 collects a lot of dust
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Albert on April 28, 2015, 08:11:45 AM
Quote from: Elantric on April 28, 2015, 07:23:50 AM
Not to deny the tech of JamOrigin, but when I hear people say:

"JamOrigin is way better so far than my hardware-guitarsynths when it comes to midi tracking."

To me,  this translates to :

"I never tried the Fishman Tripleplay"

FTP has spoiled me for all other Guitar to MIDI solutions


I haven't played the FTP, so no comment on that. I have a GP-10 myself and in the past had a GI-20, a gr-1, -30 -33 -55 and Terratec Axon. Maybe the FTP is better than the Jamorigin, but please test it and let me know.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 28, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
I have tested Jamorigin.

See above

Jamorigin is #5
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Albert on April 28, 2015, 08:22:02 AM
Have you already tested the new beta for version 2 or the previous version (1)? Because there is a significant improvement from version 1 to the new beta.

Quote from: Elantric on April 28, 2015, 08:14:53 AM
I have tested Jamorigin.

See above

Jamorigin is #5
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 28, 2015, 08:33:18 AM
QuoteBecause there is a significant improvement from version 1 to the new beta.

I really hope they follow-up with similar improvements to their iOS product.  I'm not especially interested in bringing a laptop to a gig these days.  An iPad (or even an iPhone tucked in the back of an amp) running a decent synth/sampler app is very convenient.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 28, 2015, 09:22:53 AM
QuoteI really hope they follow-up with similar improvements to their iOS product.  I'm not especially interested in bringing a laptop to a gig these days.

+1
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: MusicOverGear on April 28, 2015, 10:29:26 AM
Here is a recording of me trying out the new beta. It's an improvement over the first version.

WARNING: extremely low audio quality, bitrate = 100, mono MP3

i think this shows pretty clearly where this software is for me on my hardware. i start off trying to use it the way i couldn't get it to work before, as a midi source for a DAW. you can hear me playing progressively more and more ahead of the beat, until i lose all feeling, just trying to guess where the software wants the beat placed

then finally i've got input quantization down to quarter notes and it finally tracks

THEN I SWITCH TO STANDALONE MODE, USING THE MDA SYNTH AND IT IS PLAYABLE. this is how i used version 1, though with kontakt.

I will say that when i very first opened the demo and just started playing with it it felt very snappy and musical - much more than v1. i started trying sounds and just playing, which is IMHO is always the sign of good gear - you forget instantly that you're using it

also i'm on the same hardware that i used for v1 of the software, so there is no control for my personal experiment. someone else might be able to get it to work as a midi source for a DAW

HTH
Michael
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on April 29, 2015, 02:00:25 AM
imho there's no need to compare midi guitar with a hex system, I like both. Hex systems have string splitting, and a soft converter has a more direct link between the normal pickup sound and the midistream.
Anyway: In a few years all guitarsynths likely will be software, be it with multichannel input or polyphonic like Midi Guitar.

A tiny little melody on Reaktor's steampipe flute, all sound comes lives from a Midi Guitar beta 2 patch.
JamOrigin's Midi Guitar BETA2, hosting Reaktor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNVorAfzJYI#ws)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: ainsoph on April 29, 2015, 04:20:11 AM
Tom Quayle on Facebook page :
"Just picked up Midi Guitar 2 by Jam Origin. WTF? This is the guitar plugged directly into my soundcard triggering Omnisphere via the Midi Guitar 2 Program. I have NEVER experienced midi tracking like this before. No midi pickup required."
His test : https://www.facebook.com/tomqguitar/videos/10152836421125172/ (https://www.facebook.com/tomqguitar/videos/10152836421125172/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 29, 2015, 07:03:15 AM
Quoteimho there's no need to compare midi guitar with a hex system, I like both.

In your tests, where would you say the JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar latency is for comparison with Hex PU solutions?

Need Spider to run a set of tests like these:

Tripleplay vs GR-55 Guitar to MIDI Speed Test
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10700.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=10700.0)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcyfrowogitarowo.pl%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F04%2FScreenshot-2014-03-15-16.13.23-1024x640.png&hash=13a6060e6725d714e41162954d8cb5a8b24e7e76)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on April 29, 2015, 07:10:46 AM
Quote from: Elantric on April 29, 2015, 07:03:15 AM
In your tests, where would you say the JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar latency is for comparison with Hex PU solutions?
dont know Elantric, I;ve measured performance with the first version. But the second version is much, much better. I dont want to measure, I want to play. :)
The thing is: my computer is too old. I cannot get it under 128 buffersize. But even with that buffersize it gives a consistent feel, a close link between the sound and the midi output. And it works brilliantly with a mikrophone put in front of my favourite acoustisc guitar, absolute novelty! It is really something else, and you know that I'm a hex developer myself and not easily impressed.


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 29, 2015, 07:16:56 AM
thats a great endorsement
Quotedont know Elantric, I;ve measured performance with the first version. But the second version is much, much better. I dont want to measure, I want to play. :)
The thing is: my computer is too old. I cannot get it under 128 buffersize. But even with that buffersize it gives a consistent feel, a close link between the sound and the midi output. And it works brilliantly with a mikrophone put in front of my favourite acoustisc guitar, absolute novelty! It is really something else, and you know that I'm a hex developer myself and not easily impressed.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on April 29, 2015, 07:31:19 AM
Looks like I'll be borrowing my wife's laptop again for a while.  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on April 29, 2015, 07:54:42 AM
Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on April 29, 2015, 08:57:56 AM
here  a test with an organ in a rock setting, organs have no velocity, and therefore are quite unforgivin with mistriggers. Result: the only "mistriggers" here are notes that are actually sounding, and hence are due to my sloppyness. I even tried some behind the slide playing here, works like it should.
For reference: I cant get my GR55 to behave clean enough for this kind of organ support, but MG does it.
Fattening up your rocksound with an organ - MIdi Guitar beta 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_9KeAQ7aRY#ws)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on April 29, 2015, 09:22:22 AM
I was trying out both the 32 bit and 64 bit beta last night and all I can say is, in terms of tracking, this is a massive improvement over the original MIDI Guitar. It's so much more sensitive now, probably a little *too* sensitive actually. When I first started it up I noticed the "Wheel of Fifths" moving around on its own and I heard a ghost pianist playing random notes and the guitar wasn't even plugged in! It was amusing for the first 5 seconds but annoying afterwards until I made adjustments on the gate settings.

One thing I noticed, and I don't know if anybody else who has the original MIDI Guitar standalone has noticed this, but the volume level for the VST instruments seems to be lower. In the first version I had the volume slider at 50 and that seemed to be about perfect. I found that I had to turn it up to 65 to 70 to get the same volume. Other than that issue (which I'm sure they'll fix in the next beta) I have no complaints whatsoever. With MIDI Guitar 1 it felt like you were about 80% connected to what you were playing but with this new version it almost feels like the synths are a part of the guitar. No disconnect at all. I'm very impressed and I like Pauls demos and everything else I've seen and heard in this thread so far. Elantric, you should try this out, I'm betting MIDI Guitar 2 will jump to number 2 or 3 on your list.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: shawnb on April 29, 2015, 10:24:51 AM
Very impressive...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: MusicOverGear on April 29, 2015, 01:01:42 PM
Kenmac that jumped out at me right away. I think it's the velocity going into the synths. If you play a sample with a lot of velocity layers you can really hear it. I fiddled with all the velocity parameters to get satisfactory input.

Also there are two stages of audio gain, which is either new or I just don't remember it from before.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: sine_3000 on April 29, 2015, 01:59:17 PM
This is probably not the place to ask troubleshooting questions about this piece of software, but bring it up anyway.

I'm trying out the demo of MIDI Guitar 2, and here's my problem.

I'm not getting any tone from the "demo piano" patch at all.  I have successfully loaded in all my VST's, and I can play them through the software (getting the "timeout" nag screen every minute), but switching over to the built-in "endless demo" piano patch, I get nothing. 

I've messed with every volume setting I can see.  I am getting wav impulses (faint, but there), and as I said, I can certainly drive my own VST's.  So everything must be set up right.

Does anyone have any idea why I can't hear the built-in piano patch?  There is a built-in piano patch, right?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: ainsoph on April 30, 2015, 07:53:21 AM
New test upload from Facebook : https://www.facebook.com/JamOrigin/posts/804445069644996 (https://www.facebook.com/JamOrigin/posts/804445069644996)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: TheGrail on May 02, 2015, 07:36:40 AM
Hello Gents,
I just stumbled into this site today. There have been guys trying to do pitch detection with mono guitar signals for over 20 years but they have all fallen short of Roland's divided pickup performance.. until now, maybe.  Looking at the videos (and assuming they are not faked) they appear to have solved many of the tracking problems.  Take a look and see what you think...

http://jamorigin.com/ (http://jamorigin.com/)

In particular, check out this discussion of tracking improvements in the 2.0 version.
http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-release-notes/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-release-notes/)

I'm skeptical but will be investigating this. My performance rig could be reduced to a guitar an a iPad if this works. Plus, being able to remove the ugly GK3 pickups from my best guitars would be a visual relief!

Interested to hear other's thoughts. I'm going to try the 1.0 iPad software today.

Roy
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: MusicOverGear on May 02, 2015, 11:32:22 AM
Played with it some more this morning. I'm ready to give it another try as soon as they fix/document how to do patch changes with midi foot pedal AND add pitch bend back in.

IMHO it feels about as good as FTP with some exceptions:
can't detect close voicings. jam origin craps its pants on any kind of upper-extension chord with any two notes close to each other
can't detect classical style RH technique
either no control over incoming midi messages, or i just haven't figured it out yet
i can't get jam origin to work as a midi source for other DAWs without crazy, unusable latency. IDK but i think i might be the only one who has this problem
CPU hungry - probably can't do 64 samples on my old notebooks, in which case the feeling will definitely be ruined. probably only meant for very recent notebooks

other than that i'd say it's pretty much ready for IRL music. i want to say i like the feel better than FTP for monophonic improvisation, tho that could be because it's all shiny and new. i have no idea what the stats are on latency and all that, but IMHO the feeling is in the same ballpark

IMHO jam origin does a better job on slurs and dynamics than anything else i've tried, including FTP. when it's working - which is admittedly a narrow set of circumstance on my machines - it feels more like playing a real instrument than any other midi tracking tool i've tried. really really nice!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on May 13, 2015, 10:27:10 AM
http://youtu.be/TsYDvtj3nuM (http://youtu.be/TsYDvtj3nuM)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 13, 2015, 11:15:52 AM
 :o
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on May 13, 2015, 11:27:53 AM
As usual Nicely done
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on May 13, 2015, 11:58:20 AM
Quote from: whippinpost91850 on May 13, 2015, 11:27:53 AM
As usual Nicely done
thanks guys!
the trick here is use a bandana and play very softly, every legato note creates a pizzicato pluck that way.
playing mostly chromatic runs and slower bopping arpeggios, trying to make variations on Django's phrasing. There is more air in Django's lines as you would suspect listening to his fans nowadays, especially in the pre-war Django.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: thebrushwithin on May 13, 2015, 12:57:19 PM
Fantastic Paul!!!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 14, 2015, 07:02:03 AM
Paul, I'm curious - has the responsiveness of the latest JamOrigin software changed your thinking with regards to your own monophonic hardware solution?  Or does your design still track single notes faster?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on May 15, 2015, 03:05:24 AM
Quote from: mbenigni on May 14, 2015, 07:02:03 AM
Paul, I'm curious - has the responsiveness of the latest JamOrigin software changed your thinking with regards to your own monophonic hardware solution?  Or does your design still track single notes faster?
oh, I didnt think my own design was the best in the first place, but it perhaps is faster as MG (=Midi Guitar)
Speed of conversion is however not the most important feature: the most important feature is getting the correct notes with good playability. And there MG is far better as GR55,GR30 and my own hardware stuff. MG has no problems with crosstalk between strings, has a wonderfull rejection of spurious noises: it allows for very natural playing. MG is not sensitive to the dead spots on the guitar: the dead spots on my Godin where totally rejected (no tone) on my GR30, lead to mistriggers on GR55 and my own hardware. MG has no problems there. (I guess tripleplay handles the dead spots well also: I havent got one)
I think the real revolution lies in the availability,playability and fidelity of MG. MG also has it shortcomings, but they lie in hearing complex chords played at once, every notes that you emphasize however, will surely be converted. It mimics human hearing in that respect: we too can not hear that many notes (>3 voices) really in one glance.. 
Lately we have seen the introduction of singlewire directsynths like the hammond pedalsfrom EHX and the Sy300 from Boss: although they are cool, they are of limited impact: they have a limited spectrum of sounds they can generate, being direct synths. many of nowadays musicians are not too blown away by theses sounds, and would rather use their laptop for getting cool sounds of their own liking. 
that's where MG comes in the picture: have any sound on any guitar for an affordable price.
I guess that the only convertor that can compete with the MG is the tripleplay. The tripleplay is faster and multichannel and MG is singlechannel and cheaper. (I cannot compare them in depth, because I dont own a Tripleplay)

EDIT: 
**newsflash** MIDI Guitar 2 BETA 2 release on Monday (May 18th) **newsflash** MIDI Guitar 2 BETA 2 release on Monday (May 18th)



Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on May 15, 2015, 06:46:32 AM
Thanks, Paul, for your objective observations.  I agree with your points about MIDI Guitar, even though my experience is limited to the iOS version.  I was working with it last night, and although it has some stability issues, its performance is remarkably musical for a mono input/poly output algorithm.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on May 16, 2015, 09:45:03 AM
Paul, thanks for the heads-up on the new beta coming out on Monday. I hope they fixed the volume issues.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 19, 2015, 11:12:40 AM
JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar  Beta 2 is here

MIDI Guitar 2 BETA 2 is out!
We try to be careful to not make sensationalistic claims, but we can say that the feedback of the first beta release of MIDI Guitar 2 has been thrilling for us and that it raises the bar for what's possible in terms of tracking guitars without inconvenient hardware.

One design goal of MIDI Guitar 2 is to avoid the pitfall of making requirements on users (use a particular kind of guitar or adopt a particular playing style, etc..) and avoid adding a bunch of setup parameters (that will always be difficult to understand and lead to endless tweaking). Thus, MIDI Guitar 2 just works out of the box. There are no setup options related to tracking other than a simple noise gate. Well... not quite. The most common feedback from BETA1 was that its too sensitive and hard to tame with the noise gate. So, the last weeks we've been trying to improve this aspect in particular. Here comes BETA2.

There are a some other fixes and improvements too. Below is a complete list of changes.

Disclaimer: We intended to release the VST and AudioUnit plugin versions today, but unfortunately we didn't quite make the deadline. They will be part of BETA3 which will follow soon.


What's new in MIDI Guitar 2, BETA 2
New tracking improvements – fewer spurious notes
Better Noise Gate/Sensitivity control
Fix for some audio interfaces that caused messy or incorrect setup options
Fix for some synths (eg. Zebra 2) passing through guitar audio
MIDI Machines: New channel select and channel split MIDI Machines
MIDI Machines: Dynamics MIDI Machine works again
Patch/MIDI Program Change improvement/fix (see help)
CPU utilization display shows both peak use and average use
Sustain pedal works again
Removed Master Gain as it seems overkill along the two other gains
Redesigned Circle-of-Fifths
Adjusted patch default settings
Fix for MIDI CC above 119 disappearing
Various minor fixes.

Download
MIDI Guitar 2 is a free upgrade for all v1 license holders and free trial for others.
Get it at the downloads page.
http://jamorigin.com/download/ (http://jamorigin.com/download/)
Please help us, share the news
Marketing was never a part of the Jam Origin DNA. We'd like to keep our limited resources with technical developments instead of creating buzz. We are grateful to everyone who can help spreading the word, sharing our Facebook post or retweet this Tweet.

Thank you very much for your support.
Kind Regards
Jam Origin
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on May 19, 2015, 06:32:14 PM
Finally tried it (there is a demo for all) and i am very impressed, the playing experience in monophonic lines is really astounding and the best is how it connects you with the synth and how much glitch free it is.

Playing chords is a bit less effective but I can play altered chords without many problems.

And all that from a conventional guitar jack, amazing.

The only question I have is how good will be the pitch bend (in this beta is disabled).
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on May 21, 2015, 03:32:32 AM
I tried it too and with only 4-5 minutes testing so far. I like it. Saying that I had some chords when hands pulled off notes sounded. I had some string bumps extraneous notes. But I spent a whole of 5 min. with it. It pulled up Synthmaster and changed patches easily. Would be more interested when VST is ready.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on June 04, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
From the JamOrigin website: "MIDI GUITAR 2, BETA 3 - This is just a bug-fix release – there isn't much new over BETA2. Other than bug-fixes, its main contribution is a new update system which (optionally) keep you notified about new updates and facilitate downloads. We've made a new server backend which will serve updates for customers."

That's the standalone version that's available now, but here's the big news: "THE MIDI GUITAR PLUGINS SHOULD BE READY FRIDAY AFTERNOON (JUNE 5TH). THEY WILL BE RELEASED THROUGH THE NEW UPDATE SERVER TO ALL MIDI GUITAR V1 AND V2 CUSTOMERS."

The new standalone version is available here: http://jamorigin.com/download/ (http://jamorigin.com/download/)  I'm really looking forward to the plugin version tomorrow.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on June 04, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
Kenmac, what about the pitchbend implementation, do you know something about if its expected to be very improved over version 1?
While I'm very impressed with the tracking and reliability of this version 2 I tried the pitchbend in the version 1 and its very poor (IMO).
This the only reason that keeps me waiting to buy it.
Well the tracking has been very much improved over the previous version, so I think there is hope that the pitchbend also substantially improves.
Im very excited with this software, it is on par with the best today systems (FTP, etc.) in the fundamental aspects (tracking, latency and reliability) and the best is that I can use it with any guitar and not just the only guitar where I have installed my FTP, thats really great!.
Hopefully they improve a little more the chord recognition (there are some instances where when the intervals are small there are still errors) and they give us a surprise also tracking the pitchbend while we play.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on June 05, 2015, 08:49:44 AM
The pitchbend in the latest standalone version is still disabled. I'm hoping they'll have it enabled when they release the plugin version today. I agree with you regarding the tracking, it's quite impressive and I also hope they've fixed the issues with chords.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on June 12, 2015, 08:50:19 AM
MIDI Guitar 2 plugins released!
During the last two weeks we've been releasing quite a few new BETA versions and fixed some issues. With todays BETA8 it is a good time to jump onto MIDI Guitar 2, if you haven't already.

Some highlights from recent releases
The VST and AudioUnit plugins are here! (32 & 64 bit, Mac & Windows)
Minor tracking improvements over the first MIDI Guitar 2 releases.
Added support for drop D tuning (more tunings to come)
MIDI AfterTouch support, following the energy envelope of the guitar string
Automatic notifications about new updates works.
Customer-exclusive releases
We plan to release lots of updates during the coming weeks and months. Many customers have requested to get hands on new features as early as possible during development. As we depend on customers to support us during the entire development process that is a very reasonable request and also the most direct way we can build our products with those who care the most.

Thus, for some releases the automatic update checker in MIDI Guitar will ask you to authenticate as a customer (by typing in your email) and it will send you a link to the new version.

Download
MIDI Guitar 2 is a free upgrade for all v1 license holders and free trial for everyone else.

Recent versions of MIDI Guitar 2 (BETA4 or above) will automatically notify you about the latest updates. If you use an older version, you need to download BETA4 first and it will notify you about BETA8.

More info at the downloads page.

Thank you very much for your support!

Kind Regards
Jam Origin


http://jamorigin.com/download/ (http://jamorigin.com/download/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alexmcginness on July 12, 2015, 01:18:22 PM
My hats off to you guys that can get this to work. I cant get anything close to the tracking accuracy you are getting. I also have the beta version and it does track better, but for me its totally unusable. Some strings work others do not....sometimes .... and sometimes yes .... depending which way the wind is blowing. Altering the settings improves things.... sometimes. The whole plug is just waaaayyy to inconsistent. Nice to see some of you making it work though. Im back to the headaches with the Axon.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on July 12, 2015, 04:12:46 PM
Wow how strange things are sometimes, for me the experience with JamOrigin Midi Guitar 2 is exactly the opposite, in fact it is far more reliable than any other system I've tried (I have Axon, Fhisman and Roland ).

Curiously one of the most temperamental systems for me has been the Axon, it is exactly as you describe the JO Midi Guitar  "Depending which way the wind is blowing".

But with Midi Guitar2 Im very very impressed at this time it is the most robust and reliable system that I have, the one that gives me less glitches and if not the fastest one of the most.

I tested it with 4 guitars with the same great results and the most impressive is that with my ibanez GB10 with 013 wound up strings I get fantastic results ... I purchased it after a small time of test and its one of the best purchases in many time. Im talking about the Midi Guitar 2 beta, the version 1 is not as good.

Im sorry it doesnt work well for you. I cant think what the problem will be, it has almost no parameter to tweak, only a simple "noise gate", maybe the problem is in your audiocard? or your computer latency? I used it at buffers of 64, 96 and 128 samples and it works equally well with all.
Its a bit heavy on the cpu (more the smaller the buffer) so maybe you have this problem?

This software is revolutionary for us "midi guitarist" and it only will get better and better. I talked with the authors about to implement a "legato guitar to midi legato", an  important thing missing in the midi guitar world, and I have had a positive reception and interest in this function.

Hope you can solve the problem.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alexmcginness on July 12, 2015, 05:55:17 PM
The only solution i can come up with is to wait for something that will work for me. Good luck with this.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on July 31, 2015, 10:00:54 PM



MIDI Bass update
We've just released a major update for bass players. Its a free upgrade for all current MIDI Guitar license holders and free to try for everyone else.

MIDI Bass is now based on the new MIDI Guitar v2 tracking engine and inherits its state-of-the-art responsiveness and latency.

Unlike the guitar version MIDI Bass is monophonic only for now, however. This means you'll have to be careful not sounding more strings at once. We've been working hard on a duo-phonic solution for bass and its promising, but still needs a little polish.

Other than bass tracking and the blue color, this should be identical to MIDI Guitar 2.

More MIDI Bass beta releases will follow and VST and AudioUnit versions will be available soon.

Next up is pitch bends and custom tunings for MIDI Guitar 2. An iOS update is on the way as well!


Download
MIDI Bass is available for everyone at our downloads page.

http://jamorigin.com/download/ (http://jamorigin.com/download/)

Please help us, share the news
Marketing was never a part of the Jam Origin DNA. We'd like to keep our limited resources with technical developments instead of creating buzz and we are grateful to everyone who can help spreading the word, sharing a Facebook post or retweet this Tweet.

Thank you very much for your support.
Kind Regards
Jam Origin
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on August 14, 2015, 02:55:04 PM
Did a rebuild on win laptop so got around to downloading V2 of Midi guitar (beta8) - impressive progress - tracking is really good but the thing which impresses is the dynamic improvement - the triggering is very accurate at much lower playing dynamics than any hex solution I have tried - the final version (with pitch bend ) will be very interesting
Still no option for non std tuned guitar which is really annoying if you tune E flat as open E then produces no trigger at all
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on August 15, 2015, 03:04:04 AM
Correction to my last post - there is a function for drop tuning - and it works :-) 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: rcf1956 on August 16, 2015, 02:46:31 AM
Quote from: Headless68 on August 15, 2015, 03:04:04 AM
Correction to my last post - there is a function for drop tuning - and it works :-)

You had me going there for a minute with the drop tuning comment. I was hoping to be able to use Midi Guitar 2,with my electric mandola, tuned CGDA. The latest windows beta versions look and sound like a major improvement over the iOS version, which does work quite well with my 'dola on my iPad mini 1.

I would prefer a portable solution; has anyone tried tried the Midi Guitar 2 betas on a Windows tablet? Jam Origin's 'Technology' page talks about "modest CPU requirements" and also mentions that "It will take advantage of faster CPUs but it can run even on an iPod." which seems to suggest that the requirements between the iOS and Windows versions aren't too dissimilar? Their FAQ's page states that system requirements are; "CPU: Dual core 1.6 GHz or better".

Seem like an Atom quad-core Windows tablet might just run it okay, though vst choices would obviously be limited to simple low resource plugins?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on August 18, 2015, 02:47:05 AM
further update - did some Win7 audio optimization on  my OS today then tried Jamorigin Midi Beta 2.8 again (in standalone mode) - even more impressed to be honest, I would like to see the test compared to FTP against this version because I honestly am getting pretty much zero latency at all the play feel is amazing. You still have to be careful - garbage in garbage out,  but the responsiveness and dynamics of this astounding.
The only drawback I have noticed is if you use alot of polyphony sometimes a note can get lost (i.e. not triggered) & I think it may be where another note played is 'over powering' that note - this does not happen a lot but enough to notice now and again. Given this is running from std guitar pickup though, most impressive -
need to test in a DAW next
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on August 23, 2015, 09:04:30 AM
I am increasingly convinced with Midi Guitar 2, the result I get are beyond the other MIDI guitar systems that I have (including FTP, but in this case especially for the convenience of being able to use it in any guitar without needing FTP pickup) and in fact at this momment I am planning to use it live.

I have two questions, maybe some can help (im waiting response from jam origin also):

1º I cant get midi CC input in the midi learn page (very interesting posibilities here!) of Midi Guitar 2  beta8.  I have cheked all the connections and IM pretty sure it receives midi signal, but keeps "waiting for CC".  Anyone know if  that is a bug or I need to do something special?. I have tried it with Cantabile, because with Cubase 8 there is no way I can send midi to an audio track (there is a solution for this?).

2º Midi Guitar doesnt works when I load a session (Cantabile, Cubase) until I open the editor the first time (after that if I close it keeps working).
Thats a serious problem when usign it live, because it needs to work when the sessions is loaded, there is no time to go to the computer to launch de editor in order to get it to work.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Jim Williams on August 23, 2015, 11:05:21 AM
open MidiGuitar in stand alone and have the sent to a virtual midi port(LoopBe1)http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html (http://nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html) and select the port as a midi input. Make sure if you are using something like the GT-100 as a controller to turn off the guitar to mide so it will only send PC and CC changes. If you are sending with a midi pedal like a Rocktron MidiMate or FC-300 you should not have a problem. I suggest a Rig control 3 USB interface it will be the cleanest signal with minimal latency. You can configure all the switches and Pedal/pedals and I suggest using Cantabile to host or even better Kore 2. 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on August 23, 2015, 12:02:06 PM
Ole from Jam Origin just confirmed me that this lack of midi input in the "midi learn" page is a bug in the actual version (beta 8) at least in the plugin.
Im using the plugin not the standalone, but tried it and doesnt receive also midi cc.
Ole said it will be resolved in the next update.
Thanks
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: autodidactic on September 23, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
My $0.02

I have to hand it to JamOrigin, this latest beta is super solid. Performance from my testing so far shows excellent tracking on OSX with both standalone and the AU plugin. I also decided to try out the latest update to the ios app as well and it is just as good as the desktop software. I absolutely love the fact that I can do audio to midi on my phone! I also love that now I can do audio to midi with other live instruments as well! This was money well spent!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on September 24, 2015, 06:59:34 AM
Quote from: autodidactic on September 23, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
I also decided to try out the latest update to the ios app as well and it is just as good as the desktop software.

I just wish JamOrigin would update the iOS version to provide pitchbend support.  And since I'm making wishes here, I think velocity sensitivity could stand some improvement.  Otherwise, yes, I actually prefer this technology over my 13-pin stuff now.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 08, 2015, 08:03:26 AM
..still like to play piano, made a little convenient usbmidi holdpedal with a teensy which was lying around doing nothing, so now I can play piano anywhere,anytime.. :)
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5bOqmUC1I8&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on October 08, 2015, 08:10:29 AM
Brilliant stuff, Guitarpolson.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 08, 2015, 08:19:35 AM
Quote from: mbenigni on October 08, 2015, 08:10:29 AM
Brilliant stuff, Guitarpolson.
thanks!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 08, 2015, 05:16:38 PM
Guitarpolson great Midi Guitar 2 demo, and most important, great music.

Midi guitar 2 is one of the best midi guitar systems around, hope they solve some problems playing chords (close voicings mainly) and bring a pitchbend system at that high level.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 14, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
sneak peak: pre-beta test of Jamorigin's Midi Guitar 2, Beta 9
now with pitch bends and lots of new cool features.. everything what you hear here is from within the standalone app, no external plugins used!
Availabe to registered users in a couple of days
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzpCQIDmLk0#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on October 14, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
I assume this the Desktop version of JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar  ( Not IOS version)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 14, 2015, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: Elantric on October 14, 2015, 11:31:46 AM
is this the Desktop or IOS version of JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar ?
this is the coming desktop beta..
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 16, 2015, 12:14:27 PM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on October 14, 2015, 11:21:34 AM
sneak peak: pre-beta test of Jamorigin's Midi Guitar 2, Beta 9
now with pitch bends and lots of new cool features.. everything what you hear here is from within the standalone app, no external plugins used!
Availabe to registered users in a couple of days

Cool to know pitch bend is finally here, and it seems to work very well judging by your video.
Your comment about "lots of new cool features" sounds intriguing, I have the hope they implemented a "guitar legato mode" so it can play legato while in the same string (something that its not possible in any guitar to midi system today).

Cant wait to be released to registered users, hope its there this weekend so I can try it deeply.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on October 16, 2015, 12:26:49 PM
Now please, JamOrigin, back to the iOS version!  Staff up if you need to - I'd be happy to pay for the update and I doubt I'm alone.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 16, 2015, 01:23:10 PM
Quote from: autodidactic on September 23, 2015, 05:04:20 PM
I also decided to try out the latest update to the ios app as well and it is just as good as the desktop software. I absolutely love the fact that I can do audio to midi on my phone! I also love that now I can do audio to midi with other live instruments as well! This was money well spent!

Its the IOS really the same engine and high level performance? I checked IOS midiguitar in the app store and the actual version 2.0 is from april 2013, that date not coincide rather with the destkop version 1? version 2 is from 2015 I think...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on October 16, 2015, 02:23:46 PM
QuoteIts the IOS really the same engine and high level performance?

No - Not yet - thats why most here wish Jam Origin would find time to update the IOS version

No doubt the newer fall 2015 iPad Pro with more RAM and faster A9 Processor should help with more performance and lower latency for all IOS audio applications 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on October 16, 2015, 02:37:42 PM
This is very cool, and as usual your demo is awesome
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on October 17, 2015, 08:15:08 AM
+1 on iOS version - if JO can get it as good as the desktop that would be awesome - I love the soft synths on iOS .....would be another step to justifying one of these iPad pro's :-)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on October 18, 2015, 08:46:53 AM
My testing with Beta 2 I find that synths that are waveform driven are working much better than others. I.e., I can use Zebra2 demo to my delight, I can also use Synthmaster, Wusikstation but when using AAS synth doesnt work very well as well as Ragnarok at times. Is there some midi disturbance in these plugins? I actually also played the SY-300 thru Jamorigin. How does the plugin VST work? Do you select audio in on track and load as VST? Load others into it then?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 18, 2015, 11:04:34 AM
Quote from: acousticglue on October 18, 2015, 08:46:53 AM
My testing with Beta 2 I find that synths that are waveform driven are working much better than others. I.e., I can use Zebra2 demo to my delight, I can also use Synthmaster, Wusikstation but when using AAS synth doesnt work very well as well as Ragnarok at times. Is there some midi disturbance in these plugins? I actually also played the SY-300 thru Jamorigin. How does the plugin VST work? Do you select audio in on track and load as VST? Load others into it then?

Not sure what you mean by "waveform", Zebra2, wich IMO one of the best synths around and I agree,  runs absolutely amazing with midiguitar2, but cant use samples at all, but Wuskistation (at least the versions I have, is 100% sample based (no sure if later versions do have waveforms).
AAS synths (at least Ultra Analog) I think is very similar to Zebra. I tried briefly with Lounge Lizard and it works very well.
About how the VST plugin works, jamorigin explains it with all the major daws, here is how it work in cubase (my daw of choice):
http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/daw-setup-guides/#toggle-id-7 (http://jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/daw-setup-guides/#toggle-id-7)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on October 18, 2015, 11:06:53 AM
Remember no need for Midi Guitar with uHe Zebra- use the bundled Zebrify VST.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13010.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13010.0)


QuoteAt that time I had no pickup. Zebra FX it's a VST effect named Zebrify that uses any audio input as oscillator.
It comes with Zebra Synth. I put the guitar (strat) clean into MX802A Mixer form Behringer (Jurassic.. I know) and then FC202A (FW Audio interface) to iMac. As DAW I use Ableton Live. So no MIDI, simply Audio signal manipulated in real time by Zebrify and FX Ableton.

Attached the Ableton FX Chain I use and the Zebrify patch I use in the above song for the lead guitar (trumpet like).

Hope it helps,
Best
Pasha 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 18, 2015, 02:23:39 PM
Quote from: Elantric on October 18, 2015, 11:06:53 AM
Remember no need for Midi Guitar with uHe Zebra- use the bundled Zebrify VST.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13010.0 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13010.0)
Unfortunately its not the same than Zebra at all, zebrify is much more limited as synth and different by the nature of how it processes the guitar source. Said that zebrify is a very interesting processor and the Pasha patches are amazing.
In the other side midi guitar and zebra is a wonderful combination.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on October 19, 2015, 03:41:26 AM
Zebrify I would build patches and any Sines would make pops in audio. Otherwise ran fine. In Jamorigin Zebra ran fine, arps are pretty much out trying to make those work. AAS Ultra Analog for some reason had midi light blinking and would get cur short each note with very slight pop at end. What I did was buy Jamorigin anyway as I can use it with pads at times for strums on certain sounds or articulate runs. This is not even close to reacting like the SY-300 yet. But it will be usable at times on certain patches. Havent tested VST yet.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 19, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
acousticglue review your configuration (latency, cpu, other tasks in background, etc), probably the problem is somewhere, I can assure you that MG2 is not only for pads and slow playing, in fact where it shines and to me surpass the best guitar to midi systems around, is tracking playing fast phrases.
One of the best things it has is  the constant latency, its the same in all the fretboard, no other guitar to midi system behaves like this. Im talking by the feel playing, not measured, but its enough to me to feel it clearly.
Hope you can solve your problem.

pd: not yet released the new version...  ???
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 19, 2015, 07:26:59 AM
Quote from: jassy on October 19, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
pd: not yet released the new version...  ???
it is a big update, Jamorigin is now working to get the last interface details right, so everybody will be comfortable using it.
Since there are so many new options, it takes a little extra time getting it out to the public.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on October 20, 2015, 05:26:29 AM
Quote from: jassy on October 19, 2015, 05:33:01 AM
acousticglue review your configuration (latency, cpu, other tasks in background, etc), probably the problem is somewhere, I can assure you that MG2 is not only for pads and slow playing, in fact where it shines and to me surpass the best guitar to midi systems around, is tracking playing fast phrases.
One of the best things it has is  the constant latency, its the same in all the fretboard, no other guitar to midi system behaves like this. Im talking by the feel playing, not measured, but its enough to me to feel it clearly.
Hope you can solve your problem.

pd: not yet released the new version...  ???

I was switching between synths trying out so not sure. I dont run a pagefile on system either. I do have the USB cable from either guitar pedal RP500  or SY300 plugged in but nothing else running. My system has many services shutdown and startup disabled. I also have Xeon quad E5450 3.0 16GB RAM
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: atomheart411 on October 20, 2015, 09:10:16 AM
Excuse my jumping in here but I've been using MG2 for a while and agree that it is outstanding in many regards. I am amazed to read that you are playing through a SY300 into MG2. I would have thought that would make the guitar signal much harder for MG2 to 'read'. It does also seem to have a dynamic threshold under which it doesn't respond. If I am picking very softly I lose my midi instruments. It's a balancing act in the settings for noise gate, compression, and velocity for achieving good response for different sorts of attacks I think. I'm running guitar and six string bass ( another problem re: pitch range ) into a Zoom Tac2-r into MacBook Pro. I need as wide a dynamic range as possible. Obviously it's the quiet side of things that is limited.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 20, 2015, 09:15:00 AM
Not sure what is your problem exactly (clicks and pops in the audio when playing instruments? bad tracking with GM2?) if you arent more precise about your problem Im not sure how to help. To start I even dont know if you are using windows or apple machine.
Anyway your system seems to have enough power to manage whatever you want at very low latency. Mine is similar (Xeon 5650 6 cores at 3 ghz+Fireface 800) and I have not problem running at 64/96 samples.
Maybe the audiocard it could be the weak point. I. e. in my laptop (Asus i7) I was using an Scarlett 816 and I could run at 128 samples (which in real numbers was more) but the stress in the cpu was noticeable using only light synths or effects, so when I use some more cpu hungry vstis or effects or a combination of several, I start to get some clicks in the audio. I tried also with the Roland units drivers (gr55 and vg99) and the problem was even worse.
Now I running an RME Babyface at 96 samples (I could go to 64 samples but dont feel I need it) and running the same vstis/effects my cpu reading is much more lower and I can run a lot of things while I dont get clicks or pops. So an audiocard is capable of double my cpu power, It is very interesting, right?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 20, 2015, 09:33:21 AM
There is a preview of the new beta 9 gui which shows some of the new features. 
http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-beta9/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-beta9/)
It focusses to make a self contained app with guitar amp, effects, etc. not sure if its the best route (anyway there area a lot of live plugin hosts and DAWs much more capables which many if not all of us are using already, that remembers a bit to the FTP strategy, I would prefer they enhance its functions as a powerful guitar synth center, where I hope they have do a good work . Anyway I wish them the best success.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Spider on October 20, 2015, 01:42:53 PM
Quote from: jassy on October 16, 2015, 12:14:27 PM
/.../ "guitar legato mode" so it can play legato while in the same string (something that its not possible in any guitar to midi system today).
/.../
What do you exactly mean? What isn't possble?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 20, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
Quote from: Spider on October 20, 2015, 01:42:53 PM
What do you exactly mean? What isn't possble?
In order to play legato we need to overlap slightly notes with the keyboard, that's the way the synth knows when to play notes legato. In the opposite  in the guitar we cant overlap notes while playing in the same string, which precisely is where the guitar players play legato, that's the problem I'm referring.
It can be implemented if the software overlaps slightly notes when certain conditions are done and that would add a plus of expression to the player.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on October 20, 2015, 02:16:49 PM
Hi everyone.

It's been a while, but thanks for all the great feedback. I'll try to be as active as time permits responding to your requests.
Please feel free to ask me anything.

We hope to release BETA9 tomorrow and its been a few months underway, mostly due to the pitch bend tracking and some CPU efficiency optimizations, but also because in some sense BETA9 is really the target we set for the iOS version, which is also mostly done by now. We've tried to make things easier for ourselves to build both the desktop/plugin and iOS versions from the same codebase. Thus, some features (the amp and effects in particular) was made with iOS in mind, where there are no plugins and where CPU efficiency is important.

jassy, we'll try to add Legato (as overlapping midi-on/off messages) in BETA10 - expect it in a week or so (actually MIDI Bass already does this).




Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Spider on October 20, 2015, 02:27:18 PM
Welcome Ole :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Spider on October 20, 2015, 02:33:23 PM
Quote from: jassy on October 20, 2015, 02:11:55 PM
In order to play legato we need to overlap slightly notes with the keyboard, that's the way the synth knows when to play notes legato. In the opposite  in the guitar we cant overlap notes while playing in the same string, which precisely is where the guitar players play legato, that's the problem I'm referring.
It can be implemented if the software overlaps slightly notes when certain conditions are done and that would add a plus of expression to the player.

My 6 years son told me that legato = glued notes... so just now it is clear for me :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 20, 2015, 03:10:39 PM


QuotePlease feel free to ask me anything.
There have also been advances in improving chords with short intervals? I get sometimes wrong notes and strange artifacts, more when the more simultaneously are the notes played.

QuoteThus, some features (the amp and effects in particular) was made with iOS in mind, where there are no plugins and where CPU efficiency is important.
That explains it and makes much more sense to me, and for sure I will add it to my Ipad.

QuoteWe hope to release BETA9 tomorrow and its been a few months underway, mostly due to the pitch bend tracking and some CPU efficiency optimizations
Awesome, cant wait to try it!

Quotejassy, we'll try to add Legato (as overlapping midi-on/off messages) in BETA10 - expect it in a week or so (actually MIDI Bass already does this).
These are fantastic news!
Im goin to download Midi Bass to see it.

thanks for your input and contribution.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 20, 2015, 03:23:16 PM
Quote from: Spider on October 20, 2015, 02:33:23 PM
My 6 years son told me that legato = glued notes... so just now it is clear for me :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legato
QuoteIn music performance and notation, legato [leˈɡaːto] (Italian for "tied together") indicates that musical notes are played or sung smoothly and connected. That is, the player transitions from note to note with no intervening silence.

QuoteSynthesizers[edit]
In synthesizers legato is a type of monophonic operation. In contrast to the typical monophonic mode where every new note rearticulates the sound by restarting the envelope generators, in legato mode the envelopes are not re-triggered if the new note is played "legato" (with the previous note still depressed). This causes the initial transient from the attack and decay phases to sound only once for an entire legato sequence of notes. Envelopes reaching the sustain stage remain there until the final note is released.

In order for the synthesizer to make a legato sound, the player must overlap the notes while play the keyboard. The results is very musical and expressive but it is a forbidden way for midi synth guitarists, because we can not play "legato" in the same string (we cant overlap notes in one string). Sure, we can overlap notes playing different strings but its much more difficult to play this way and it is not the most natural way to do.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 21, 2015, 06:46:50 AM
here are the new features documented, it is more than just the picture, it has info popups..  ;)
http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-beta9/ (http://jamorigin.com/midi-guitar-2-beta9/)

I'll add, because it maybe not too clear from the info, that all FX slots accept any AU and VST effect. So you can simultaneously route the synth trough a guitaramp chain, guitar trough an guitaramp chain, and mix them afterwards with remote control in master/mix.
You can keep everything rather dry and conveniently add reverb in the mastersection to the total mix.
The master gain allows for keeping your presets matched in volume.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 21, 2015, 08:32:56 AM
2.0 BETA 9  already released!!

QuoteWHATS NEW:
* Tracking: Pitch bends. Ultra low latency and accurate pitch-tracking
* Tracking: Distingusih between bends vs trills and sliding
* Tracking: Amazing sensitivity for minor-second pull/hammer/tap/trills
* Tracking: Custom tunings
* Tracking: Velocity tone controls no longer caps velocity
* Tracking: Monophonic tracking stability improvements
* Tracking: Fixed an issue with very large interval chords
* Tracking: Improved Poly-Tuner stability
* Tracking: Reduced CPU usage
* New: Redesign of user interface
* New: Amp simulation
* New: Audio effects (delay, chorus, flanger)
* New: Slots for inserting effect plugins
* New: Slot for cabinet impulses in the reverberation section
* New: Mix slider for mixing/morphing between guitar and instrument chains
* New: Share patches as text on any media (chat, forums, twitter, etc..)
* New: Automagically load patch from any media with copy/ctrl-c
* New: Clone patch function
* New: "About" window
* Fixed: Critical memory issue that could cause crashes or startup failure
* Fixed: MIDI Learn / CC works again
* Fixed: Plugin version is no longer silent until its UI window is openend
* Fixed: External control of noise gate fixed
* Fixed: Remember midi input device settings
* Fixed: Improved help texts

GREAT!!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on October 21, 2015, 08:51:25 AM
Yes, its out. I'll keep an eye on this thread for feedback and try to be responsive.

During the next few weeks we will enter a quick release cycle and publish more updates with a focus on fixing the last bugs and remove the BETA tag. As user feedback confirms that everything is ok, and the load on customer support cool down, the new features will be available as a free trial to non-customers as well.

jassy, the minor-second-chord issue is still an issue, and something we will look into (its something that was present since the beginning and might be unjustified by now, but its a big task to investigate due to the complexity).
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on October 21, 2015, 10:00:44 AM
Yes, you can select a midi input device and such external midi should be treated the same way as the midi that it generates from audio. This is an interesting use case please let me know if you try it out.
MIDI Guitar patches (including midi transforms, midi machines and audio/midi chains and Impulse/VST/AU hosting, external control) should be equally useful to external midi sources.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on October 21, 2015, 12:11:36 PM
FWIW - other VST hosts are



Console
http://console.jp/en/about/use_1.html (http://console.jp/en/about/use_1.html)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fconsole.jp%2Fen%2Fabout%2Fimage%2Fuse1_1.gif&hash=7a906ebdea99af2c8b3e2d81ca864ae78827d01f)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fconsole.jp%2Fen%2Fabout%2Fimage%2Fuse1_4.gif&hash=c6e6b383ce3f3b5f78500f6d5f32a4244911bf8f)


Cantabile
http://www.cantabilesoftware.com/ (http://www.cantabilesoftware.com/)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cantabilesoftware.com%2FFiles%2FCantabileMain7_450.png&hash=31503119b34e615b34c007675abb44fcf0bcd53b)


Brainspawn Forte
http://www.brainspawn.com/ (http://www.brainspawn.com/)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi44.tinypic.com%2Fo6h4kj.png&hash=b22b39d935b2b7f29a9d9cf0486832eb38abc355)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on October 22, 2015, 02:56:51 AM
Quote from:  sec6
I'll give it a try today and report back.  Thanks.  It will be interesting to see if it works well as an efficient vst host for hexaphonic to midi gear users.  Edit:  Just tried beta version as vst host (not latest one though as not available unless a customer) using GP10 midi as input.  Unfortunately, I'm getting better performance without glitching using Reaper DAW.  Also, the vst synths are not coming up fullscreen--they are taking up a small portion of the vst window. 

ok, its an interesting use case and we'll try to keep it in mind. You might want to try the new version (i've sent you a link).
I've heard one other report of VST window problems, but never been able to reproduce. Are you using some sort of screen-scaling software?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on October 22, 2015, 04:22:19 AM
I tried again last night for a bit with JO and using AAS UA and from boot I didnt get the pops in the audio and never did. So swapping around synths and buffers or something caused the issue it appears. But after playing AAS UA for a while some of the patches ended up triggering notes I didnt play then found a more straightforward patch that sent everything back to normal again. So again I am running into patch selection and possibly buffer issues.

Windows 8 patched, 64 bit (and all plugins are 64 bit) running in Reaper latest version 64 bit. Layla 24 Soundcard from Digitech RP400 with everything bypassed on pedal.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on October 22, 2015, 05:50:25 AM
Setting up Midi Guitar along with a GR55 as interface in parallel..

Since I have got a Roland GR55, it seems natural to combine it with Jamorigin's Midi Guitar.
Now it is not THAT simple to do that correctly..
I've connected the GR55's "guitar out", carrying my normal pickup sound, via an extra audiointerface, Zoom H4, to my laptop. To reduce the noise I had to add a DI with groundlift in between.
The GR55 is connected to my macBook via its USB connection, Midi Guitar reads via H4 the incoming guitarsound, applies fx to it (just cabinet in this case), adds a Steinway (from Kontakt). The output is assigned to the GR55.
On the Roland itself only the COSM guitarsound Brass is running, volumecontrolled by the expression pedal.
To make things a bit more complicated, I also use the GR55 as controller for Midi Guitar (mainly for the hold pedal CC64) but I had to filter out the midi notes out of the midistream, using Midi Patchbay, because on the GR55 you can not switch the guitar midi off, without switching of the outgoing midi controller messages..
Now you might comment: why not use the GR55 midi? Answer: you get less quirky stray notes with Midi Guitar, the Roland is very nice for its direct synths, and is a rather fast audio interface.
Hope this was of some use for you people!

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Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on October 22, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
I was trying out the new version of MIDI Guitar last night and I feel like it's getting closer to actually feeling like you're playing the plug in instrument you've chosen, whereas before with other MIDI tracking I've tried in the past (GR-55, VG-99, etc.) there was always a bit of a "disconnect" between what you're playing and what you heard.

The bending function works very well in this new version. I loaded up a Moog emulation synth, put it into monophonic mode and played some interesting sounding leads with it. Something else, and I can't believe I'm complaining about this, but maybe it tracks a little too fast!  :)

Just an example, last night I was trying various piano plug ins and found that the tail end of the piano note would get cut off, but only on certain plug ins. I found that for those plug ins I had to adjust some parameters but please don't change the tracking speed. Better too fast than too slow. I feel that the chord tracking is also better now but I'll still have to do some more testing to see if there are any glitches. I'm truly amazed at the difference between the original MIDI Guitar plugin and this one. Great job and I'm sure it'll only get better.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 22, 2015, 01:21:21 PM
Quote from: Kenmac on October 22, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
I was trying out the new version of MIDI Guitar last night and I feel like it's getting closer to actually feeling like you're playing the plug in instrument you've chosen, whereas before with other MIDI tracking I've tried in the past (GR-55, VG-99, etc.) there was always a bit of a "disconnect" between what you're playing and what you heard.

I'm saying the same since I tested version 2 (and I own from Roland to Axon and Fishman), not sure why its but its the more close to this feeling that I was able to get. I think that the fast and constant delay in all the fretboard and the very few mistakes and glitches are the key to that feeling.

QuoteThe bending function works very well in this new version. I loaded up a Moog emulation synth, put it into monophonic mode and played some interesting sounding leads with it. Something else, and I can't believe I'm complaining about this, but maybe it tracks a little too fast!  :)
The pitch bend is very good although here I think its not the best around because its a bit imprecise sometimes . For some reason I cant play glissandos/slides, despite it saying that can "Distinguish between bends vs trills and sliding".
Oh and no, never is "too fast"  ;D ;D

.
QuoteI feel that the chord tracking is also better now but I'll still have to do some more testing to see if there are any glitches.
I also find that the chord tracking as been improved, not perfect though I keep getting some glitches when playing 7 maj intervals. Although the most of times its the low note of this interval getting muted. Its the area where some shadows left. We jazz oriented players tends to play so many unconventional chords with intervals with lots of tension, but that 7maj interval its very common in many styles. Though I'm still testing it.

QuoteI'm truly amazed at the difference between the original MIDI Guitar plugin and this one. Great job and I'm sure it'll only get better.
Yes its a revolutionary software which deserves much more wide  attention and knowledge.
To think  that this technology would be available in a tablet is also amazing.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fortunjj on October 23, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
New to this forum... but glad to have found a collection of really knowledgeable users of guitar to midi systems. Anyway, FWIW, I'll relate my thoughts on Midi Guitar 2 Beta9. It does, on occasion, have difficulties determining the difference between a minor 2nd trill and a pitch bend - oddly enough mostly with higher pitch notes. Otherwise, the pitch bend works very well. That, really, is about the only issue I can find, outside of those that existed before. The minor 2nd interval in a chord is not functional, but that is a known (and tricky) issue. I am not having difficulties with a maj7 interval, as someone else mentioned. Of course, inverting a maj7 chord will produce a minor 2nd interval which will not work. CPU usage has greatly diminished, as promised. I have gone from MG2 continuously indicating overly high usage with Beta8 to never indicating it with Beta9 while hosting Omnisphere as a plug-in synth on a 2 GHz laptop with an old Q9000 i7 processor.

Just as a reference, I tried a Godin guitar with a built-in FTP at a local music store, with the intention of possibly buying the FTP. All I can say is that based on my demo, it would be a step backwards from MG2. The FTP has considerably less latency. But there were a large number of missed notes and adjusting the sensitivity only served to increase the number of bad notes.

As has been pointed out already, MG2 keeps the player feeling "connected" to the keyboard sound. Therefore it can be used to produce very musical results. It isn't perfect, but it is completely capable of creating good music. The FTP, OTOH, left me fighting with the guitar. It was hard to get something all that useful from it. Perhaps with a better setup or cleaner technique or more tweaking of parameters, the FTP results would improve. But the MG2 results came from plugging an Ibanez RG350 with .008's straight into a low latency USB interface and there are almost no user adjustable parameters. I'm not sure what else I would ask for, really.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 24, 2015, 05:49:09 PM
Quote from: fortunjj on October 23, 2015, 01:39:17 PM
New to this forum... but glad to have found a collection of really knowledgeable users of guitar to midi systems.
Welcome to the forum you will find its one of the best not only one of the most knowledgeable if also one of the most friendly people.

QuoteThat, really, is about the only issue I can find, outside of those that existed before. The minor 2nd interval in a chord is not functional, but that is a known (and tricky) issue. I am not having difficulties with a maj7 interval, as someone else mentioned. Of course, inverting a maj7 chord will produce a minor 2nd interval which will not work.
Im finding consistent problems with the maj7 interval, many if not all times I get  strange results. Sometimes its the low note muted or changed to the octave pitch. It's not too noticeable to the ear as it is an inner chord interval, but if you look at the MG2 interface its easy to see how this note changes, please look at it to see if you can confirm my findings.

A minor 2nd is not big problem because its a rare interval (at least in the guitar -style depending-), but the maj7 is much more common as its present in many more common chords (min9, 7/13, maj7, 7/9#, etc)

QuoteCPU usage has greatly diminished, as promised. I have gone from MG2 continuously indicating overly high usage with Beta8 to never indicating it with Beta9 while hosting Omnisphere as a plug-in synth on a 2 GHz laptop with an old Q9000 i7 processor.
I see some cpu improving but not so big in my case (i73610qm at 64/96 samples).

QuoteJust as a reference, I tried a Godin guitar with a built-in FTP at a local music store, with the intention of possibly buying the FTP. All I can say is that based on my demo, it would be a step backwards from MG2. The FTP has considerably less latency. But there were a large number of missed notes and adjusting the sensitivity only served to increase the number of bad notes.

FTP can work as good in the melodic tracking department (not so good in the lower notes) and better in the chord  area (where the MG2 has more problems) . Probably not the best scenario to try it the one you had. It need some adjustments and fine tuning. There the MG2 is also very good as it needs so few tuning.

That said probably the best thing about MG2 is that it works beautifully with any guitar, with the FTP I can only use one guitar where its installed. Now I need to try with my nylon guitars, although I'm getting incredible results with a kontakt nylon guitar.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on October 24, 2015, 08:29:26 PM
MIDI Guitar 2.0 BETA 10
Including VST/AU plugins has been released.
Some minor bug fixes, not legato mode yet  ;D
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on October 27, 2015, 04:23:55 AM
I am still finding I have to clean boot into and use this program or stuff sounds all over the place. Version 10 was crazy pulling up Synths after updating to it. I had been running a different app previously and yes it was shut down and waited a few.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on October 27, 2015, 07:26:26 AM
Thanks guys for the feedback!

acousticglue, just about everything seems to go wrong on your setup. We'd like to understand whats going on there and weed out those bugs and im very interested in a dialog. I may have to ask you for some of MGs log files from your machine to get a better understanding. If you are interested in this, i'm just sending a PM.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on October 29, 2015, 06:42:58 AM
Started to have a play with V2 Beta 10 :
Initial thoughts - play feel is still better than anything I have tried for guitar to midi (VG / GP10 / FTP / GR etc ) -  Without knowing what its doing under the covers to the guitar player the key thing seems to be its ability to trigger from any picking level where everything else available seems to have a 'floor' in terms of anything less than an input level of 'X' is regarded as garbage to stop spurious notes but JamOrigin's solution feels like it does not operate in this way - this to me is the game changer with this solution and provides a much more realistic 'guitar playing' like feel, its great.

Also - the ability to host VST & effects directly makes this a very powerful front end - I have just been using the built in synths but running them through Guitar rig5 with great results and no hassle & you can save it all as a patch for recall.

For me the 'not quite there' is pitch bend - yes it is responding (& for me seems better on the lower bend ranges) but its not got the same fluid feel that the rest of the experience has (yet :-)  )

Very impressed
Headless

PS - Admins - time for a Jam Origin header in the forum ?  I suspect we are going to need a few threads running on this going forward
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on November 03, 2015, 06:14:00 AM
Ole -
have been playing some more - is there any way to add more synth layers (more VST's) from the MG2 front end ? 
I like this feature in the Triple play GUI, I think its really useful to be able to mix multiple sources live

Also - patch change +/-  via midi, when I click 'control' the patch selection is not available

Thanks
Headless
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on November 05, 2015, 06:25:31 AM
found a minor issue
when saving a patch using an external VST the program (patch name in the VST) does not show correctly in the MG2 front end, however the correct patch is recalled.
Also when you open the program name button to see the patches in the external VST you dont see the full list, I havent counted but I suspect there may be a 127 limit in play somewhere here. If you click 'edit' instead so that the VST gui opens you can then select what ever patch you actually want.

Headless
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on November 06, 2015, 03:58:22 AM
Has anyone tried it with a nylon or steel stringed acoustic ?
I used the first version with a fretless nylon stringed with a transducer piezo
mounted inside the guitar but the trig was slightly off ESP. in polymode but also in mono mode.

http://www.brakophonic.com/Test_fretless_Ac_MG_and_Looper.mp3 (http://www.brakophonic.com/Test_fretless_Ac_MG_and_Looper.mp3)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on November 06, 2015, 06:34:43 AM
The resonance of an acoustic guitar will impact all GUITAR To MIDI SYSTEMS , even Jam Origin.
Good article in this here

http://www.performing-musician.com/pm/oct07/articles/usingmidionstage.htm (http://www.performing-musician.com/pm/oct07/articles/usingmidionstage.htm)

Also ANDRAS SZALAY  has a good white paper on Guitar to MIDI at his Panda Audio site

http://www.panda-audio.com/midiguitar.php (http://www.panda-audio.com/midiguitar.php)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 06, 2015, 10:53:42 AM
Not tried with a nylon guitar, but with my jazz guitars (i.e. Ibanez gb10 with fat strings) worked extremely well with amazing tracking.
If you have not tried MG2, try it you can be positively surprised
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on November 06, 2015, 11:25:26 AM
Quote from: jassy on November 06, 2015, 10:53:42 AM
Not tried with a nylon guitar, but with my jazz guitars (i.e. Ibanez gb10 with fat strings) worked extremely well with amazing tracking.
If you have not tried MG2, try it you can be positively surprised

I Will thanx,
My goal is to have an acoustic guitar rig with synths and looper through main stage
And a MacBook and it worked OK with MG 1 but not optimal
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 06, 2015, 12:47:41 PM
With MG1 I was not impressed, but MG2 is a very different thing, at least to me, much better tracking.
Monophonic playing is spectacular but there are yet some issues with chords (certain intervals: 2nd minor and 7maj mainly in my experience).
Hope they can resolve it.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on November 11, 2015, 01:35:30 AM
FYI: You can use MG with 8 string guitars, it'll just skip the lowest notes..
MG2 buildin epiano, buildin tubeamp + speakersim, + freeware pianoverb plugin
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3e0TyeYJE#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Ed Driscoll on November 29, 2015, 10:50:25 PM
I'm not trading in my VG-88 and VG-99, but I suspect my GI-20 is going to get used a lot less from now on. What a cool product! After stumbling over it at the start of the month when the editor of Sound on Sound mentioned it in a video, I have a product review over at my day job:

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2015/11/30/jam-origin-midi-guitar

Anybody know when the next revision will be released?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on November 30, 2015, 12:48:03 AM
Prototyping a virtual direct synth for use with midi guitar (and yes, this will also work with other converters)
Goal is to create a synth that surpasses the old line of analog synths, but is completely software. the guitar used here is connected with a simple guitar cable, the pitch to midi converter is Midi Guitar beta 2.

-Clean
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU51Hi9OuOI&feature=youtu.be#)

-Clipped
http://youtu.be/OArcweJNzNc (http://youtu.be/OArcweJNzNc)

-Original transient plus Double triggered  ( using MG's midi machine to send octaved double notes)
experimental "rough line" in the second part, that will be the sawtooth when it is ready..
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br10CSVEwxI&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 30, 2015, 09:01:30 AM
You are talking about a vsti?
Any details/images about it?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on November 30, 2015, 10:19:10 AM
Quote from: jassy on November 30, 2015, 09:01:30 AM
You are talking about a vsti?
Any details/images about it?
I'm prototyping now in java, using the Processing environment. I will migrate the stuff to Juce, once that is done I can share vst/au's.. dont know how fast I can migrate, so that is the bottleneck.
it is actually going to be a vst effect, that also takes midi. In the vids there are only filtered guitarsounds, or with straight transformations, no samples or other oscillators.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 30, 2015, 01:51:11 PM
So no midi triggered synths in your video and its Only guitar signal processing?, so then its something like zebralette? Sound interesting, give us more details  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on November 30, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
Quote from: jassy on November 30, 2015, 01:51:11 PM
So no midi triggered synths in your video and its Only guitar signal processing?, so then its something like zebralette? Sound interesting, give us more details  :)
it uses the midi information to filter the sound, each note sets a filter.. Midi Guitar delivers the notes via midi, the filters are fed with the clean guitar signal. I don't know what Zebralette does, but it is surely something different.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: kovacs on November 30, 2015, 11:31:23 PM
Great review! I tried v1 a while back but didn't feel that it was worth the investment yet. Now it sounds as if v2 is exactly what I've been waiting for.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Ed Driscoll on November 30, 2015, 11:55:29 PM
It's not perfect, but it's pretty darn good -- and they apparently have another upgrade (version 11, IIRC) coming out soon.

Thanks for the kind words on the review! 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Cups on December 01, 2015, 10:07:18 AM
I'll keep my eyes open for this product. Nice review.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 07, 2015, 12:25:34 PM
Good news!
I've build the plugin used in my previous vids into an AU, I will be publishing VST/AU's soon.

Here you can see how it integrates in MG, in the Guitar/Amp slot
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5D1d1WAFoY#)

In this vid I show how to use it to make everything sing better in a normal rockguitar situation:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q3TLGFHP3w#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on December 07, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
Good Job!

look forward to purchase this VST/AU !
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 07, 2015, 12:56:43 PM
Quote from: Elantric on December 07, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
Good Job!

look forward to purchase this VST/AU !
thanks Elantric!   It will take some time to get it into a shop, but I'll do my best. :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on December 07, 2015, 02:31:11 PM
Nice job, can't wait to purchase 8)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 10, 2015, 01:56:38 PM
Natural Hair Extension V0.005 - jam
..into an amp with delay, the changes in sound are just what you see on screen.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcvdbzfumic&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 11, 2015, 12:46:55 AM
Interesting!
2 questions:
Only Mac?
What do control the 4 sliders?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 11, 2015, 01:04:50 AM
Quote from: jassy on December 11, 2015, 12:46:55 AM
Interesting!
2 questions:
Only Mac?
What do control the 4 sliders?
As soon as I got a virtual windows machine, I can also bake  windows VST's. I use a multiplatform C++ library, Juce.
The 4 sliders are drawbars, like on a Hammond organ
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: yuri on December 14, 2015, 02:37:06 PM
I  tried it Demo  JamOrigin  not bad  it is good     but  .....  FTP is much  better and more complete  . ( for me)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 18, 2015, 03:51:25 AM

! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Y9XSCD1YM&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on December 18, 2015, 07:22:07 AM
Guitarpolson, is that part of the latest JamOrigin MIDI Guitar for desktop, or is that your own software?  It sounds great!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM
Quote from: mbenigni on December 18, 2015, 07:22:07 AM
Guitarpolson, is that part of the latest JamOrigin MIDI Guitar for desktop, or is that your own software?  It sounds great!
thanks!, that is my own plugin that needs midi and audio input. It can be plugged into MG.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on December 18, 2015, 08:06:32 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on December 18, 2015, 07:30:17 AM
thanks!, that is my own plugin that needs midi and audio input. It can be plugged into MG.

Gotcha - just did my homework and read your previous posts.  This looks really awesome!  I'll be watching.  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on December 18, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
anyone else notice that the output volume seems to drop quite a bit when using MG2 interface - If I run Guitar Rig 5 on its own (same patch) then run it via MG2 interface I lose alot of volume - even with the gains on max
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 18, 2015, 11:44:11 AM
Quote from: Headless68 on December 18, 2015, 10:54:32 AM
anyone else notice that the output volume seems to drop quite a bit when using MG2 interface - If I run Guitar Rig 5 on its own (same patch) then run it via MG2 interface I lose alot of volume - even with the gains on max
it might be "reserved headroom", so that the synthpart can add up to the 0 db.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on December 19, 2015, 02:03:00 AM
I am leaning towards using Mainstage as the consolidation interface (its better for live view also) with MG2 running with just the virtual midi output in background - seems to work really well, all the dynamics translate great into the logic softsynths / samplers
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cplm on January 16, 2016, 01:35:01 AM
From Jam Origin News page:


- and MIDI Guitar update for iOS coming soon...


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamorigin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2Fmidiguitar-2-for-ios.png&hash=5ea592f654999586d7587c97ab103291b843ca40)

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on January 19, 2016, 06:38:04 AM
Quote from: cpl on January 16, 2016, 01:35:01 AM

- and MIDI Guitar update for iOS coming soon...


(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamorigin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2Fmidiguitar-2-for-ios.png&hash=5ea592f654999586d7587c97ab103291b843ca40)

Awesome!  Thanks for posting!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 19, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Yes, and according to the image posted, IOS version is virtually identical to the desktop version, really impressive!
The actual version works very very good (I think the engine is superior to the desktop ver 1) although it lacks pitch bend and other refinements which are included in this incoming version.
The desktop version (beta 11) is at this moment very mature.
The problem with 7th intervals has improved greatly. Only find occasionally problems with some glissandos or when the note sound is close to extinction and midiguitar hesitate and produces an intermittent sound rather than simply mute the sound. Is anyone having this behaviour?
Anyway its overall a revolutionary technologie.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on January 19, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
Quote from: jassy on January 19, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Yes, and according to the image posted, IOS version is virtually identical to the desktop version, really impressive!
The actual version works very very good (I think the engine is superior to the desktop ver 1) although it lacks pitch bend and other refinements which are included in this incoming version.
The desktop version (beta 11) is at this moment very mature.
The problem with 7th intervals has improved greatly. Only find occasionally problems with some glissandos or when the note sound is close to extinction and midiguitar hesitate and produces an intermittent sound rather than simply mute the sound. Is anyone having this behaviour?
Anyway its overall a revolutionary technologie.

I agree.  Very excited to get my hands on an iOS version with pitch bend (and hopefully improved velocity sens.)  Have they announced a date, or is "soon" all we've got?  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 21, 2016, 01:28:36 AM
Quote from: mbenigni on January 19, 2016, 12:31:40 PM
I agree.  Very excited to get my hands on an iOS version with pitch bend (and hopefully improved velocity sens.)  Have they announced a date, or is "soon" all we've got?  :)
Seem that we have something more:
"Moreover, we have managed to port the same application to iOS, and so the MIDI Guitar App for iOS will get an update that is almost a 1:1 port of the desktop version, which is currently only awaiting Apple's approval. Another newsletter will follow regarding the iOS release."
Dont know how long Apple usually take to approval...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 21, 2016, 01:32:48 AM
And there is also the press release in the web site:

MIDI GUITAR AND MIDI BASS UPDATES
MIDI Guitar 2 BETA 12 and MIDI Bass BETA 3 are now available to customers. This is our first unified release which means that the two products are now identical, apart from the underlying tracking engine and the colour scheme. Both products come as VST, AU and standalone applications for 32- and 64-bits Windows and Mac systems.


Moreover, we have managed to port the same application to iOS, and so the MIDI Guitar App for iOS will get an update that is almost a 1:1 port of the desktop version, which is currently only awaiting Apple's approval. Another newsletter will follow regarding the iOS release.

WHAT'S NEW
Compatibility fixes: The main focus for this release was to address remaining compatibility issues and at this point there should be very few compatibility issues left. Issues with the plugin scanner should be resolved, but you need to do a new scan for plugins with the new version. On Windows we have made some changes related to handing audio interfaces in order to addressed compatibility problems with some ASIO audio interfaces. (please let us know if we have introduced any new problems – we'll fix remaining issues immediately, if we get rapports).

Pitch bends: The latest update finally brings very accurate pitch bends and vibrato. Just remember to sent the pitch bend range to match the range of the synth (usually 2 or 12).

Amp Cabinet Mining: This release has a small innovation that we haven't seen elsewhere in guitar effects and amp sims that just deserves to be mentioned: As you probably know MIDI Guitar can load impulse responses to simulate amp cabinets reverberation and microphone placements, etc..  Well.. now it has a billion billion amp cabinets responses right on-board, included. Obviously even if mankind unite we'll never be able to hear them all, but you can get a random one and whenever there is something you like you can make it get you something similar. There is certainly a space there for unique tones and we are very curious what is to be found in there...  so please let us know when you find something great. We intend to do much the same for reverbs.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on January 21, 2016, 04:23:48 AM
Just installed the desktop BETA12 version

quick view - (for reference I'm using Mac mini 2.5 i5 CPU / 10gb ram / SSD  running OSX Yosemite 10.10.5)

install creates your previous patches but loses links to any 3rd party software - so Im using GR5 for effects and they are gone - not a biggy but be aware

Audio is cleaner - I very occasionally was getting a click with the warning triangle in the CPU box in BETA11 but that has now stopped (a good thing!)

Play feel is even better than before! - not sure if this is more to do this the improved pitch bend but it 'feels' better - and I was really impressed with the previous version

CPU overhead is very low - I'm seeing 5 to 8% user allocation when running in standalone mode with synth + guitar + effects all going

Pitch bend parameter is set on '2' and I dont seem to be able to change it via the GUI - not tried with an external soft synth yet, so could just be that is the limitation on the internal MG2 soft synths ?

I would really urge anyone sitting on the fence to give this software a try - it a game changer for sure

Headless


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on January 21, 2016, 06:25:53 AM
Incredible news - thanks jassy and Headless68!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 21, 2016, 04:09:38 PM
Midi-bass (included with Midiguitar) includes legato mode, first time a midi guitar can trigger legato notes in the same string, it plays abd sounds beatiful with many sample libraries and synths, wow!
I hope its implemented in the guitar version!
Midi-bass can be tried with guitar, not so fast as Midi-guitar but its a very promissing plugin,. With bass works impressive, midi bass players would be very surprised about how playable its.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 22, 2016, 02:07:12 AM
Quote from:  cpl
Hi,
MidiBass and MidiGuitar are fantastic software, very useful.
I'm getting incredible sounds, just mixing my guitar to some old synth (real or vst-au).

I would like to have Midiguitar midi-converting only 2 or 3 strings instead of all of them.
For instance the lower E and A playing both midi and real guitar, but the D G B and high E playing only midi (or only real guitar)

Not found a way to do this yet. Is it already possible?
Perhaps writing some code as in Midi-Maschines script?

Thanks in advance for any suggestion.
I think you can do that with midi machine.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on January 26, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Anybody want a test flight of the new iOS update, before the public release, please just throw me a PM with your email (the email you use for your iTunes account). I have 20 invites for testers and give priority to you guys in this thread and otherwise vGuitarForum post count. You need iPad3, iPhone5, iPod6 or later, (iPad Air or iPhone6 if also using Amps and FX) and Apple's TestFlight app from App Store.

jassy, sorry for the delay with legato. It would be trivial at this point to just delay note-offs to cross note-ons, but I just want to give it a try positively detecting legato (and non-legalo) playing, which is going to be superior to this, if successful.

cplm, good point with colors, they bleed on TN panels. As for presets, dd you see that you can save the state of everything, including the OBXD, with MG patches (and shift among them with program change)?



Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: JamOrigin on January 26, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
Testers: there are two in-app purchases and you can get these without being charged (you should see a message from Apple that you won't be charged as its just a test flight).

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 26, 2016, 04:21:37 PM
Quote from: JamOrigin on January 26, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
Anybody want a test flight of the new iOS update, before the public release, please just throw me a PM with your email (the email you use for your iTunes account). I have 20 invites for testers and give priority to you guys in this thread and otherwise vGuitarForum post count. You need iPad3, iPhone5, iPod6 or later, (iPad Air or iPhone6 if also using Amps and FX) and Apple's TestFlight app from App Store.

Already testing it, impressive IOS app!, its 95% like the desktop one! I think that only the midi machines seems to be absent ATM.
The tracking is solid and fast and close to the desktop version. The pitch bend also works very good responding accurately to bendings note on/off, glissandos, etc, although Im getting a bit of unstable tunning while playing notes without doing bendings (that does not happen in the desktop), but to be honest Im only have animoog in my iphone at this moment, so maybe is it (although I have portamento at 0), need to test with other synth apps.
Just let me know when its ready to purchase it!

Quotejassy, sorry for the delay with legato. It would be trivial at this point to just delay note-offs to cross note-ons, but I just want to give it a try positively detecting legato (and non-legalo) playing, which is going to be superior to this, if successful.

No problem the Midi bass implementation is very insteresting already but a more sophisticated implementation sounds very promissing, count me to test it if you want.  ;D
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on January 27, 2016, 10:55:01 AM
have downloaded the iOS version for testing - will be able to make direct comparison with the latest desktop version & how it compares to previous iOS version - should have some time to dedicate to this tomorrow

The interface looks great :-)

Headless
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on January 28, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
ok - initial quick testing using the MG2 iOS stand alone mode

For testing I'm using iPhone 6 +   on iOS 9.2.1 (no audio glitches from MG2 either)  running into a Roland Duo Capture Mk2 audio interface

Tracking - very (very) close to the latest desktop version and a huge leap over the previous iOS which was usable but quite behind the desktop version - so this is great news for iOS users

Pitchbend - operates very well

Had a phone call come in and interupt me while testing & when the call finished I had lost audio (not sure if that's an iOS issue or MG2? ) quitting back to the iphone home screen then going back onto MG2 brought sound back.

Alt Tuning is manually configurable - my guitars are tuned D# which is a bit of a pain to change in every patch (in the desktop there is the choice for -1 semitone & a host of other common tunings)

Tuner / chord wheel are very useable on the 6+ screen

CPU is showing max usage of about 50% (from within the app )  with synth and guitar and Effects processing all running

will do some more later - looking really good so far !

Headless






Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on January 28, 2016, 08:47:20 AM
Quote from: Headless68 on January 28, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
Tracking - very (very) close to the latest desktop version and a huge leap over the previous iOS which was usable but quite behind the desktop version - so this is great news for iOS users

Pitchbend - operates very well

Fantastic.  Stability is the last piece of the puzzle for me.  Running the old version with e.g. SampleTank and nothing else in the background, MIDI Guitar would frequently freeze up and require a restart.  One of my favorite apps, but no way I would ever consider performing with it.  Hopefully the new version will change that.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on January 28, 2016, 09:50:12 AM
Thanks for your assessment, I worked too late to check it out yesterday and tonight as well, Hope to put it through its paces tomorrow night
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: supernicd on January 28, 2016, 10:48:12 AM
Had a play with the beta iOS version 2 last night and I'm very impressed with the polyphonic algorithms, the pitch bend, and the low latency.  I can't believe it can get this good without a hex pickup.  iPad Air 1 and Focusrite iDock used for testing.

My run was maybe an hour or so - not sure I can comment on stability yet.  But I didn't encounter a crash during that time.

Quite an impressive piece of kit!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on January 29, 2016, 10:03:07 AM
Just got the announcement that the official iOS release is on the app store.  For me, this is the most exciting iOS news since... probably since the original MIDI Guitar.  :)  Can't wait to get home and test it.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alfstone on January 30, 2016, 01:56:59 AM
Just downloaded the iOs upgrade to version two, and restored successfully the MIDI Outputs on the shop.

My question: there's a "MIDI GUITAR RIG" at 9.99€ in the shop. What exactly would I buy with it?

Thanks

Alfredo
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on January 30, 2016, 06:52:22 AM
Quote from: alfstone on January 30, 2016, 01:56:59 AM
Just downloaded the iOs upgrade to version two, and restored successfully the MIDI Outputs on the shop.

My question: there's a "MIDI GUITAR RIG" at 9.99€ in the shop. What exactly would I buy with it?

Thanks

Alfredo

I'm a little confused about this as well. Looks like I already own the $19.99 content, buts not clear whether this is already inclusive of the $9.99 option.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on January 30, 2016, 07:30:33 AM
Had some time to play with iOS MG2 using virtual midi into Sunrizer softsynth today

Excellent results - pitchbend set to '2' delivered really fluid pitch control for non chromatic patches - tracking / play feel also very good even at the low frequency range - again zero issues with any audio/glitches @ iOS 9.2.1 (for these apps at least)

If there was a version of Logic X on iOS I could ditch the Mac ! .....almost ;-)

one minor trade off I notice (both versions) with the alt tuning when I set it to -1 semitone for my tuning I get the low E but I lose the high E on the 24th fret of the treble E string, dont use that excessively, but clearly enough to notice its gone :-)

Headless
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on February 04, 2016, 01:59:11 PM
Have been trying MG2 iOS out on iPad Air2 -
The ability to select predefined alt tuning is in, so that is only missing on iPhone (see my previous post on that )
Everything else working well with great tracking / dynamics / play feel

Only issue I managed to get was running virtual midi - I had audiobus with sunrizer synth as input into bias fx with initially worked fine but clicking between the apps at some point stopped MG2 from outputting virtual midi ( the MG2 gui was seeing guitar input but the synths stopped triggering - when I used on screen keys they were sounding - stopping the apps and restarting them cured this

Headless
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on February 04, 2016, 02:04:12 PM
......also tried with sample tank - no glitching at all ,the grand piano is amazing using MG2's dynamics - very expressive
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 08, 2016, 07:32:01 AM
After testing iOS MIDI Guitar 2 via the USB I/O on my Helix, I'm wishing I hadn't updated.  Early tests with my iRig Pro were fine, but MIDI Guitar is unstable and produces really glitchy audio with the Helix, even if it's the only thing running.  Other apps run fine in the same configuration.  Jam Origin warns users not to upgrade if they have older devices, citing iPad 3 and 4, but I would advise against updating if you have anything older than the iPad Air 2.  The iPad Air 1 is marginal.  I thought this app used to have an option to run in low latency vs. ultra-low latency mode, but if it did, they removed it - and that was a mistake.

Hoping for a 2.1 update that makes the app usable on older hardware, as I don't foresee an iPad Air 2 in my future this year.


EDIT:  Burningyen pointed out on TGP that Helix USB audio is stable if you monitor via the iPad headphone jack (as I would if I were using the iRig Pro instead.)  Apparently the USB connection is too slow for reliable, full-duplex audio.  Not ideal, but it's good to have an explanation and a workaround, anyway.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 08, 2016, 08:08:14 AM
In my tests, The Helix USB Audio snaps and pops on all Apple OS platforms - not just IOS.

Its nowhere near as good as the HD500X USB Audio.

And rather makes the recording interface feature a bit 'oversold" since its basically un-usable as a recording interface on iPad, OSX

QuoteEDIT:  Burningyen pointed out on TGP that Helix USB audio is stable if you monitor via the iPad headphone jack (as I would if I were using the iRig Pro instead.)  Apparently the USB connection is too slow for reliable, full-duplex audio.  Not ideal, but it's good to have an explanation and a workaround, anyway.
Thanks for the tip - But makes monitoring Backing tracks form iPad using Helix XLR Out to PA not useable.

I though the Firehawk USB Audio was a step backwards - then I tried the Helix and found worse USB Audio performance. 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 08, 2016, 08:11:59 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on February 08, 2016, 08:08:14 AM
In my tests, The Helix USB Audio snaps and pops on all platforms - not just IOS.

Its nowhere near as good as the HD500X USB Audio.

Have you tested the HD500X recently?  I'm wondering whether the Helix is performing worse (if so, I wonder why) or whether Apple's recent OS "upgrades" aren't to blame.  In any case, I guess I can get the job done, I'll just have to monitor from the iPad when I'm using it - the main downside being additional latency on the guitar signal.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 08, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
HD-500X is not USB class compliant  - so iPad Usb Audio test is a non starter

Firehawk FX is USB Class complaint - and I get better results using that compared to Helix.

When I ask Line-6 managers regarding the Helix's USB Audio snaps and crackles - they indicate its Apples problem and in regards to OSX - they say they will write their own OSX Audio driver - which seems to not be that desirable if its not 100% OSX Core Audio compliant. ( would prevent Aggregate OSX Audio devices)


FWIW - My Helix has snaps and pops in the Audio when used on IOS versions 8.1, 8.4.5, 9.2 - so its not just an IOS 9.2 issue.
But snaps and pops on IOS USB Audio, they blame Apple. The fix may come as a future firmware update to Helix  - but not holding my breath.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mbenigni on February 08, 2016, 08:40:59 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on February 08, 2016, 08:15:18 AM
HD-500X is not USB class compliant  - so iPad Usb Audio test is a non starter

Firehawk FX is USB Class complaint - and I get better results using that compared to Helix.

When I ask Line-6 managers regarding the Helix's USB Audio snaps and crackles - they indicate its Apples problem and in regards to OSX - they say they will write their own OSX Audio driver - which seems to not be that desirable if its not 100% OSX Core Audio compliant. ( would prevent Aggregate OSX Audio devices)


FWIW - My Helix has snaps and pops in the Audio when used on IOS versions 8.1, 8.4.5, 9.2 - so its not just an IOS 9.2 issue.
But snaps and pops on IOS USB Audio, they blame Apple. The fix may come as a future firmware update to Helix  - but not holding my breath.

That is unfortunate.  Thanks for the info!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 26, 2016, 09:45:04 AM
fixed - (thanks for pointing this out!)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 28, 2016, 05:18:48 AM
What I digged about the GR30 was the dedicated octaver pedal, so here is my Midi Machine script for doing decent transposing by footcontroller with Midi Guitar, without orphan notes.
-The repeat function lets the transposepedal transpose allready sounding notes, a funny effect.
-The treshold for octaving or not octaving is fixed at 64 in this script ( you can make it variable if you need that, nice exercise to get you started in midimachine scripting)
-You can let the cc bleed through, to trigger another function with the same cc, be it a following midimachine or in your synth.


Transposition = -12    -- interface var   
TransposerCC   = 33    -- interface var
Controller_tru = 1
Repeat = 1

Transposer = 0          -- internal global
notetransposed = {}     -- here every actual note has its transposition stored
notevelocity = {}       -- keeps track of actual notes
notechannel = {}        -- corresponding channel

function OnNote(channel, pitch, velocity)
local mypitch
if velocity == 0 then                     -- noteoff
    mypitch = pitch+notetransposed[pitch] -- recall the proper transposition
Note(channel, mypitch, velocity)
    notetransposed[pitch] = 0             -- reset
    notevelocity[pitch]= 0   
    notechannel[pitch]= 0   
else                                      -- noteon
    mypitch = pitch + Transposer     
    notetransposed[pitch]=Transposer   -- note in which state this note is generated
    notevelocity[pitch]=velocity
    notechannel[pitch]=channel
    Note(channel, mypitch, velocity)
end
end

function OnControl(channel, cc, value)
if cc==TransposerCC then
   if value < 64 then
      Transposer = 0     
   else
      Transposer = Transposition   
   end
   transposeNotes()
   if Controller_tru == 2 then
    Control(channel, cc, value)
   end
else
    Control(channel, cc, value) 
end
end


function OnFrame(notes)
end

function transposeNotes()
local velocity
local mypitch
if Repeat == 2 then -- if function is selected
for i=1,127 do
    if notevelocity[i]>0 then
       -- note here, lets transpose if needed
       if notetransposed[i] == Transposer then
         --note allready in the right transposition
       else
         velocity = notevelocity[i]
         channel = notechannel[i]
         mypitch = i + notetransposed[i]   
         Note(channel, mypitch, 0)           
         mypitch = i + Transposer     
         notetransposed[i]=Transposer   -- note in which state this note is generated
         Note(channel, mypitch, velocity)         
       end
    end   
end
end

end

function OnStart(info)
-- assign a description to be displayed in the header
info.description = "Transposer transposes using a midi footcontroller, the controller can be send through"
info.link = "http://jamorigin.com/midi-machine"

-- create widgets in the user interface
Knob("TransposerCC", 0, 1,127,1)
Knob("Transposition", 0, -24,24,1)
    List("Repeat", 0, "off","On")
List("Controller_tru", 0, "off","On")

    for i=1,127 do
       notevelocity[i]=0
    end
end


In action:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0GrLrvZvw&feature=youtu.be#)

Have a nice day!
Paul
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: vtgearhead on February 29, 2016, 04:32:37 AM
Just awesome use of MIDI guitar.  I have little hope of ever being able to play that cleanly.  Still, nice to know it's possible in the right hands.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on February 29, 2016, 08:46:46 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on February 28, 2016, 05:18:48 AM
In action:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI0GrLrvZvw&feature=youtu.be#)

Have a nice day!
Paul

Beautiful
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on April 24, 2016, 03:41:52 AM
..working on next-to-zero latency analog synths, hosted in Midi Guitar 2.
This stuff will be available to the public later this year.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRqLaw-rWMY#)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gueims on May 23, 2016, 02:17:13 AM
Does anybody knows what happened to Jam Origin? No news or updates since January...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on July 15, 2016, 07:54:38 PM
Anyone knows a way to integrate MG2 inside AUM?
MG2 does not shows in AUM  because its not interapp or audiounit compatible, so it needs to be started outside of AUM and then the configuration cant be saved in a preset within AUM which would be the best solution.
Anyone using MG2 with AUM and how?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on July 16, 2016, 01:03:07 AM
I think you can only use it running outside of AUM at the moment, however you can bring synths in and out of a mix or patch in AUM, so its only playing dynamics etc which will be static, not been a big problem to me personally (I don't use the internal sounds or the straight guitar stuff within MG2 however)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on July 16, 2016, 03:19:01 AM
I follow Headless advice and run it first before launching AUM. But I find AUM doesn't remember any patches on iOS synthetic as part of save state?

Don't forget you can use AUM to create virtual bass/lead splits as you can define the note range allowed through per mixer channel.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on July 16, 2016, 07:05:38 PM
Quote from: Smash on July 16, 2016, 03:19:01 AM
I follow Headless advice and run it first before launching AUM. But I find AUM doesn't remember any patches on iOS synthetic as part of save state?

Don't forget you can use AUM to create virtual bass/lead splits as you can define the note range allowed through per mixer channel.

Yes I think its the best way to run first MG2 and later tweak in AUM the midi input from MG2 (it does not seem to be recallable) anyway AUM does not seem to have a solid recall system, yes it loads all the guitar amp/effects and synths but, at least in my system, many times nothing sounds and i need to click in the Bias Fx icon to launch it to be able to get sound processing and with sampletank the same, it does not sound until I open it. So its that limited the recall function or maybe Im doing something wrong?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on July 17, 2016, 01:34:34 AM
it is the same for me - the iPad setup is 90% of the way there - the inter app recall is one of the things which is inconsistent & in the remaining 10% of things to sort out fully

I am just about to try this rig live for the first time but I wont use AUM to control patch I intend initially to use Bias FX controlled via midi pedal and manual switch synths in / out via AUM front end - not ideal but for this gig it will be fine - ultimately I want whatever front end Im using (AUM - Mimix - etc) to be able to recall the whole sound stage and its parameters

Regards the apps not sounding at first - this is also a common issue - my work around for this is to start all the apps you intend to use up front, it seems there is additional processing overhead to start something, once its running the cpu drops back down but this sometimes drops the audio from apps already running - if you start everything you need then go into each app to 'reset' its audio (just by going into it) then you are good to go and can mix out or mute sources until you need them.

Last point - the first audio app you start sets the sampling rate for everything else - so if you set AUM at 256 but you started MG2 first which was set to 512 then AUM will also be at 512

This technology (on iPad) is 'almost' there
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on July 17, 2016, 03:36:24 AM
Has MG2 got adjustable sample rate? Just been poking around and couldn't find it
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on July 17, 2016, 06:50:12 AM
bad example :-)  only the desktop version of MG2 has that parameter, but the info is correct, if you have AUM at 256 but start another music app before it at 512 AUM will then run at 512 ( I Think IOS MG2 is 512 by default)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on July 17, 2016, 07:20:31 AM
Good luck with your live experience, hope all go well.
I recon will be nervous with all those inconsistencies, although i have not fully researched it yet.
About the latency... So if i have understand correctly, then best is to start AUM first, tweak at 64 ms and later start the other apps and all would be at 64 samples?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on July 17, 2016, 10:15:27 AM
To be honest I have played around with different settings but not found that it makes that much difference ( iPad air2 ) - however on older iPads / iPhones this may be more significant difference
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on November 05, 2016, 05:44:52 AM
Anyone using Jamorigin MG2 with acoustic / piezo ?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on November 05, 2016, 09:26:39 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on November 05, 2016, 05:44:52 AM
Anyone using Jamorigin MG2 with acoustic / piezo ?
Piezo is no problem perse. Acoustic guitars, however, tend to have more resonances. So a "bad" piezosystem that only gives harsh stringsound will probably work better. When the resonances are too loud they can be mistaken for stringsound by MG.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on January 01, 2017, 09:39:20 AM
https://youtu.be/5EhgiQxo6kQ

Looks highly interesting - bring it on !!!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Albert on January 01, 2017, 10:10:42 AM
Last update was about a year ago: looking forward to what this update brings. Really curious about the tubeamp-sim and the deep-effects, I'm confident the tracking will be as good or even better than the results I get now.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on January 01, 2017, 01:36:04 PM
Release MG 2 scheduled for january, with all new interface, soundfont support, the great new Deep Guitar Effects and lots of enhancements
http://www.jamorigin.com
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 01, 2017, 04:32:23 PM
Wow!, seems a BIG update with a lot of new and improved things, new interface, new and interesting "deep" audio effects (with intelligent midi control?), even a legato mode (one of my main requests)!
Was not expecting that so much!.
Now if they have finally solved the problems with some complex chords it will be a dream come true and one of the most innovative pieces of software for guitarist.


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on January 02, 2017, 12:45:41 AM
Makes me wish I'd gone for Mac book rather than ipad now!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on January 02, 2017, 12:47:44 AM
Looks to me like quite a difference from the ipad results vs Mac book - should a bought a Mac book!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on January 02, 2017, 01:46:42 AM
Quote from: Smash on January 02, 2017, 12:45:41 AM
Makes me wish I'd gone for Mac book rather than ipad now!
I will save that quote for future reference  ;)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Idgolfguy on January 02, 2017, 02:58:28 PM
Hopefully, the IPad version will follow suite.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on January 05, 2017, 02:28:45 AM
Maybe not! I see the app has been updated also and is quote "almost a 1:1 port of the desktop version"

Can't wait to download - high hopes for this one, already an incredible achievement.

My BAD - misread the info page - no update as of yet for the iOS version
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: aliensporebomb on January 09, 2017, 07:27:14 PM
The new update looks promising - I wonder how well it would work on an iPhone 7+ or the 4 ghz i7 iMac I have? 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on January 30, 2017, 03:01:55 PM
The latest version has been released and is ready to download.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on January 30, 2017, 03:21:07 PM
https://youtu.be/5EhgiQxo6kQ

http://www.jamorigin.com/

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jamorigin.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F12%2Fdell-xps15-front-845x684.png&hash=5b51ca5db279e6fc8f57c4d114008190050b8750)



All sound you hear in this video is from built-in patches in MIDI Guitar 2. BETA14.
MIDI Guitar 2, BETA14 and more...
MIDI Guitar 2 BETA 14 is now available to customers. It's a big update with a new user interface and lots of new modules and features.

Lately, Dutch guitarist Paul Driessen has joined the Jam Origin team and Paul is developing a new family of Deep guitar effects, which are like traditional guitar effects, yet something totally new. Deep guitar effects rely on our underlying tracking technology for profound new ways to change your tone with no loss of expressiveness and zero latency.

Two Deep effects are included: a harmonic EQ and a versatile new effect called Deep Expressor which offers sustain without compression, per string compression, transient/pluck control, clean hex distortion and direct harmonic access via drawbars! And we are really only just scratching the surface with Deep guitar effects here - you'll see a lot more on this front in the future.

The best way to get started is try out the new default patches. Here is a demo of Drawbar Rock. The organ is held with a sustain pedal but you can simply use spacebar if you don't have a physical MIDI pedal setup.

BETA14 also marks the end of the BETA testing phase. It is now feature complete and we will now focus on fixing any last bugs reported, user interface tweaks and getting the official release out as soon as we possibly can, possibly in February. Please let us know if you experience unexpected behavior. New bugs may have arisen as there are so many changes, but we'll sort it out in a timely manner. You can reply to this email.

MIDI Bass will be updated as well within a few days.

What's New:
New: All new responsive user interface avoiding modal dialogs
New: Full screen mode and resizable window with adjustable font sizes and colour contrasts
New: Deep Harmonic EQ effect – the first of our Deep series of effects offers direct acces to the strings harmonics with drawbars.
New: Deep Expressor effect –  offers sustain without compression, compression per string, transient/pluck control, clean hex distortion and direct harmonic access via drawbars!
New: Accurate Tube and Solid-State preamp models (thanks to Matthieu Brucher/AudioTK)
New: Overdrive effect (based on the famous yellow overdrive pedal)
New: Screamer effect (based on the famous green screamer pedal)
New: Convolution reverb generator
New: Sync control to synchronise your guitartone with the instrument tone
New: Sampler built in. SFZ sample banks simply appear as "instruments"
New: MIDI Legato – via MIDI note overlap
New: MIDI Sustain for flexible foot-controlled piano-sustain/hold function
New: MIDI Transpose for foot controller/velocity-based/fixed transposing
New: MIDI Bassline for splitting bass notes and play your own backing
New: MIDI Arpeggiator
New: MIDI Monitor
New: Lots of new built-in patches!
New: Use spacebar as a poor mans expression/sustain pedal
New: Plugin scanner has "fast" and "safe" scan options
New: Add single plugin file
New: Select input channel for external midi inputs
New: Search in plugin dialogs by typing any keyboard sequence
New: Default patches and midimachines can be restored via preferences
New: JamOrigin data folder and log can be opened via preferences

Fixed: Plugin scanner has longer timeout for plugins on slow disks
Fixed: Pitch Bend Range slider was sometimes disabled
Fixed: Don't clear plugin list from MIDI Guitar 1
Fixed: Pass on CC64 sustain to synths
Fixed: Various minor issues

Old Macs: The 32-bit standalone application for Mac is no longer included in the Mac distribution (if you really need this, let us know), but a new legacy version for MacOSX 10.6 (Snow Leopard) is available.

Download:
Customers: Run any previous version of MIDI Guitar 2 to get an update notification and submit your email, right when it starts up.
Non-customers: A new trial version will be available February.


More Information:  jamorigin.com
Thank you very much for your support!

Kind Regards
Jam Origin
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Albert on January 31, 2017, 06:30:58 AM
I've been a Jamorigin-fan for a couple of years now, and was waiting for this update. Played the latest Beta (14) for a couple of hours today: it's awesome. If you're into different ways to approach and shape guitar-tones, without a lot of hassle, this is it. The deep-fx are great (very different from what Roland could do with the Hex-pickups in for instance the VG-processors), the midi-tracking is very fast and accurate and the whole program got a facelift (new fonts, fx etc.). You should definitly try it!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on January 31, 2017, 11:02:46 AM
I like *almost* everything about this new update, and I'll get to the "almost" in a minute. I like the new presets that demonstrate the new features like the deep expressor and deep harmonic EQ effects although I found some of the presets were a little on the loud side. I also like the fact that SFZ files now show up as instruments and the transposing is also good. I haven't used the new built in amps or effects yet but I'll be checking them out probably later this evening. I also like the new interface and the way you can customize it.

Okay here's where we get to the "almost" part. In the stand alone version of MIDIGuitar beta 12 there was a useful menu under the instrument or effect you were using that allowed you to load in a preset. Unfortunately, for some reason, that's now gone. I don't why they did this, I'm sure they could re-arrange the interface to allow this again. Here are a couple of screenshots I took earlier to show you what I mean.

Here's the earlier beta 12. Notice how the presets show up and you can choose what you want to load in:

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi145.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr227%2FNetskenmac%2FMGCapture1_zpsfr7zleiz.jpg&hash=1842c9b2d538de1726864a76d08a831dc1dff067) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Netskenmac/media/MGCapture1_zpsfr7zleiz.jpg.html)

With beta 14 you no longer get that.  :(

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi145.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr227%2FNetskenmac%2FMGCapture2_zpsybhwdird.jpg&hash=242a052e81c02546030f2410d7af632ca299b271) (http://s145.photobucket.com/user/Netskenmac/media/MGCapture2_zpsybhwdird.jpg.html)

I know that Paul Driessen (Guitarpolsen) is a member of the MIDIGuitar team so if you're reading this, could you pass this on to the MIDIGuitar developers please? I don't do Facebook. Also if there is a way to get the presets to show up, please let me know, although I've tried various methods without any luck. If they can bring the presets function back that'd be great.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: acousticglue on February 01, 2017, 04:37:14 AM
Beta 14 is here
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on February 01, 2017, 10:04:04 AM
Just got the email a few hours ago. I'm off for a couple of days and hope to give it a go
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 01, 2017, 10:34:43 AM
Hi Ken,
yes, that plugin programselector will return in next update, no problem.
I'm glad you like the rest!

Best,
Paul - Jamorigin

Quote from: Kenmac on January 31, 2017, 11:02:46 AM
Okay here's where we get to the "almost" part. In the stand alone version of MIDIGuitar beta 12 there was a useful menu under the instrument or effect you were using that allowed you to load in a preset. Unfortunately, for some reason, that's now gone. I don't why they did this, I'm sure they could re-arrange the interface to allow this again. Here are a couple of screenshots I took earlier to show you what I mean.
I know that Paul Driessen (Guitarpolsen) is a member of the MIDIGuitar team so if you're reading this, could you pass this on to the MIDIGuitar developers please? I don't do Facebook. Also if there is a way to get the presets to show up, please let me know, although I've tried various methods without any luck. If they can bring the presets function back that'd be great.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 02:57:41 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on November 05, 2016, 09:26:39 AM
Piezo is no problem perse. Acoustic guitars, however, tend to have more resonances. So a "bad" piezosystem that only gives harsh stringsound will probably work better. When the resonances are too loud they can be mistaken for stringsound by MG.

So if it's possible to eq out as much of the " acoustic sound " as possible to give a harsher sound , that'd be better ? Is that a possibility in the standalone version now ? And to let the natural sound remain in the audio side ?
Am I being clear ?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 08, 2017, 03:51:01 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 02:57:41 AM
So if it's possible to eq out as much of the " acoustic sound " as possible to give a harsher sound , that'd be better ? Is that a possibility in the standalone version now ? And to let the natural sound remain in the audio side ?
Am I being clear ?
no, the sound is not split in "this goes  to convert" and "this goes to guitarchannel".
In the end you will not want to have too much resonance anyway, even for the normal guitarsound. It would complicate things to much to do such a thing now. That said, I've tested MG with acoustic guitar and microphone and it worked fine..
Acoustic guitar is however not the main goal of MG

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 04:20:02 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on February 08, 2017, 03:51:01 AM
no, the sound is not split in "this goes  to convert" and "this goes to guitarchannel".
In the end you will not want to have too much resonance anyway, even for the normal guitarsound. It would complicate things to much to do such a thing now. That said, I've tested MG with acoustic guitar and microphone and it worked fine..
Acoustic guitar is however not the main goal of MG

That's to bad , both that you're not looking into acoustic guitar, and that you can't split the sound.
I guess it's possible if used as a plugin instead
And yes I want as much resonance as possible
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 08, 2017, 04:36:39 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 04:20:02 AM
That's to bad , both that you're not looking into acoustic guitar, and that you can't split the sound.
I guess it's possible if used as a plugin instead
And yes I want as much resonance as possible
I didn't say where not looking into acoustic guitars, I only stated that the primary purpose is electric guitar, but that also works good for an acoustic. We are not sure if we ever want to add "one channel to converter, one channel to guitarchannel" setup, because of the added complexity for (especially novice) users, and the number of people playing with a stereo output is minimal.



Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 04:49:33 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on February 08, 2017, 04:36:39 AM
I didn't say where not looking into acoustic guitars, I only stated that the primary purpose is electric guitar, but that also works good for an acoustic. We are not sure if we ever want to add "one channel to converter, one channel to guitarchannel" setup, because of the added complexity for (especially novice) users, and the number of people playing with a stereo output is minimal.

I only asked about the split because it migh mean better tracking
and at the same time not affect the sound quality.

Do you mean that most people play synths and guitar with fx in mono ?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 08, 2017, 05:04:00 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 04:49:33 AM
I only asked about the split because it migh mean better tracking
and at the same time not affect the sound quality.

Do you mean that most people play synths and guitar with fx in mono ?
ok, perhaps a misunderstanding, let me rephrase:
you say "split".. that means that you want a separte signal for the converter, and separate signal for the guitarchannel.
There is no fx slot just for the convertor now, I guess you hint at the possibility to add an EQ just for the converter, and have the guitarchannel unchanged. It wouldnt work as good as one would espect: the low resonance areas that can make low notes uncertain "cover" the played note. So if you put down frequency X that is bothering you, the note in the vicinity of X will vanish too.. You will therefore have no real improved tracking with an EQ added before the convertor.

Alternatively, and that was my initial idea, you could have 2 differnet pickups: one with less resonance for the converter, and 1 with more resonance for the guitarchannel. And that setup has other problems that I talked about in the previous post.








Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 05:22:25 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on February 08, 2017, 05:04:00 AM
ok, perhaps a misunderstanding, let me rephrase:
you say "split".. that means that you want a separte signal for the converter, and separate signal for the guitarchannel.
There is no fx slot just for the convertor now, I guess you hint at the possibility to add an EQ just for the converter, and have the guitarchannel unchanged. It wouldnt work as good as one would espect: the low resonance areas that can make low notes uncertain "cover" the played note. So if you put down frequency X that is bothering you, the note in the vicinity of X will vanish too..

With a notch that wouldn't be an issue
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 08, 2017, 05:30:50 AM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 05:22:25 AM
With a notch that wouldn't be an issue
A "notch" is simply a narrow frequency band that you kill, so it is just one slider of a graphic EQ.
But tell me: how do you you use MG now?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on February 08, 2017, 06:48:39 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on February 08, 2017, 05:30:50 AM
A "notch" is simply a narrow frequency band that you kill, so it is just one slider of a graphic EQ.
But tell me: how do you you use MG now?

Yes I know what a notch is and with a notch filter
set to different freq you can kill a lot of the resonance that's unwanted
for the converter.

I have been using it with a fretless acoustic nylon guitar with a transducer
Running a few synths and a looper and fx in a MacBook.
It's working ok but not perfect.
I was hoping to pick up the new version and using it live
with acoustic mainly , both fretted and fretless


Don't get me wrong , I like MG a lot
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on March 26, 2017, 04:28:55 AM
MIDI Guitar 2.2.1 is out indeed!
And: the public demo 2.0.17 is now up to date, you can try out the deep effects now in the free demo!
Download free demo @ jamorigin.com/download
Here a jam with the Deep Expressor I made yesterday, no synths here.. just delay, reverb and the expressor..
try it for yourself..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXrs1XTSqQ
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: CodeSmart on March 27, 2017, 02:04:08 PM
I assume you have heard this all before, and I well understand things are complex enough without dealing with hardware development/production/distribution/sales/service etc, but it is certainly a pity this great stuff isn't available in a robust floor unit :'(
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: vtgearhead on March 27, 2017, 02:39:44 PM
I'll second that sentiment.  The thought of relying on a laptop, iPad or phone for guitar processing at a gig just terrifies me.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: tydacor on April 01, 2017, 03:51:55 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on March 27, 2017, 02:04:08 PM
I assume you have heard this all before, and I well understand things are complex enough without dealing with hardware development/production/distribution/sales/service etc, but it is certainly a pity this great stuff isn't available in a robust floor unit :'(

I have been thinking the same thing. Will love to see the day when the guitarist has a a floor pedal at his disposal with fx as well as midi, in which no special pick up is neede to trigger midi. Jam Origin or may be Sonuus GM2 (software and hardware which trigger midi using regular pickups) can lead the way.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on April 18, 2017, 04:57:07 AM
For what it's worth,  I've been getting better results with MIDI Guitar 2.2.1 compared with my FTP in recent testing.  I'm not sure if my transmitter unit for the FTP is faulty  because I remember it being the other way around in the past. When I say better results, I mean superior tracking/response, lack of mistriggering and less unpredictable behavior across a range of different playing techniques.

Also, The FTP software often seems to make my Mac lag to a point that it becomes unusable should I have to rely on it in a live situation - not gigging currently. This seems depending on which softsynth I have loaded...Omnisphere makes it die fairly quickly.  To be fair it also has problems wHen loaded in MIDI guitar 2...

Is there anybody here who has ditched the FTP for the MIDI Guitar 2 software solution?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on April 18, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
QuoteAlso, The FTP software often seems to make my Mac lag to a point that it becomes unusable should I have to rely on it in a live situation - not gigging currently.

What model Mac?, What type CPU?  how much ram? , what version OSX ?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: vablows on April 18, 2017, 10:13:00 AM
I searched the thread, but couldn't find any answers.

Is anyone using this with a hardware synth , or better yet, doing it live?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on April 18, 2017, 10:57:29 AM
Im using it live - triggering iOS soft synths not hardware though - its working really well for me - only issue I had was user error, I had an exp pedal assigned to bias fx and it was using the same midi CC as the default in MG2 for note hold - so I was dropping the guitar volume & triggering synth hold at the same time - oops :-)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on April 19, 2017, 07:55:51 AM
Quote from: Elantric on April 18, 2017, 10:01:44 AM
What model Mac?, What type CPU?  how much ram? , what version OSX ?

MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-ich, Mid 2015)
2.5GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
macOS Sierra Version 10.12.4
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on April 19, 2017, 08:23:28 AM
Yosemite was the last OSX version I intend to use - newer versions introduce more bloat and negative impact on Audio/MIDI performance.
https://ask.audio/articles/musicians-producers-do-not-upgrade-to-mac-os-sierra-1012-yet
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: starrats on May 19, 2017, 11:34:05 AM
How it compares to Hog or vst counterparts? Seems as the only polyphonic harmonic 'modulator' out there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMXrs1XTSqQ
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on May 23, 2017, 11:34:11 AM
I finally got around to try MG 2 and I'm impressed with both the midi and the deep.
But  I get mushy sounds with certain intervals and chords on the deep.

Overall a good feel and sound though
I'll try it with fretless electric and fretted and fretless acoustic next.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on June 19, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
MG just via mike: I allready have ordered a soundhole mike to have easy acces to these sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04
JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar 2.2 : builtin Deep expressor & AudJoo Helix pad synth.
http://www.audjoo.com/h/Helix.htm
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: whippinpost91850 on June 19, 2017, 11:54:18 AM
Sounds very, very nice
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on June 19, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on June 19, 2017, 03:26:47 AM
MG just via mike: I allready have ordered a soundhole mike to have easy acces to these sounds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04

Could you please list what you used in and with MG ?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on June 19, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
Quote from: Brak(E)man on June 19, 2017, 12:55:43 PM
Could you please list what you used in and with MG ?

Read the Full description in the Youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04
JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar 2.2 : builtin Deep expressor & Helix pad synth.




https://youtu.be/vMXrs1XTSqQ
https://www.jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/



Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on June 19, 2017, 03:36:39 PM
nono, not LIne 6 Helix!
I use the Helix synth plugin here, loaded into MIDI Guitar
http://www.audjoo.com/h/Helix.htm
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audjoo.com%2Fh%2Fi%2Fflipbook.gif&hash=4a7351e28dba9d72a03b272a8e7ca2ef8859a360)


Quote from: admsustainiac on June 19, 2017, 01:28:11 PM
Read the Full description in the Youtube link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-WwEnowU2A&lc=z12ff1e4oqeidb2td22xeplykxradblia04
JamOrigin's MIDI Guitar 2.2 : builtin Deep expressor & Helix pad synth.




https://youtu.be/vMXrs1XTSqQ
https://www.jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: teejay on August 26, 2017, 10:53:16 AM
Somehow this software slipped under my radar.
I tried the demo yesterday after reading a review in this month's sound on sound, and was absolutely amazed. I bought it straight away!
I've been into midi guitar since the Roland gm70, and currently have a gr55, gr30 and vg99, but for guitar to midi this beats them all, both in tracking quality and latency, and even manages a hex distortion somehow. All via a standard guitar cable!
For guitar modelling I've yet to find anything to better my vg99, but as a midi converter this absolutely takes the biscuit!!
I'll be back with more once I've explored it some more.
I can only say buy it!! Really must be bargain of the decade.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: arkieboy on August 27, 2017, 03:19:57 AM
Pretty much the same experience as TeeJay  - being a guitar-to-midi person since the GR700, and this really has come a long way.


Downloaded the demo and was playing my Arturia minimoog in about 2 minutes from my strat plugged into my interface way better than I would expect after 30 minutes of tweaking my Axon.  That said, practice and tweaking I can get pretty good results out of the Axon, would be interesting to see if perseverance with technique yields the same benefits with this software.  Nevertheless very usable out of the box - wouldn't hesitate to play live with this.


(not bought it yet - too much of a distraction!)


Can you reproduce the non-host mode setup described for Logic in MainStage - I do like to layer synths which doesn't seem immediately apparent in the stand alone host.  It's also a pain that I can't see a full manual online - I presume one comes with the full version?


And dare I say it, anyone tried integrating it with your VG99 - you should be able to route out an audio guitar and return the soft synth sound to the VG to be presented at the main outputs with just a USB lead?  Has anyone got their FC300 integrated?  A hold/sustain pedal?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: teejay on August 28, 2017, 06:04:42 AM
Unable so far to find a manual as such, although there is a help built into it.
I have been looking for info on the aftertouch and a couple of other things, but it still works better with no real tweaking than my Roland gear, tweaked over years.....
If it had guitar modelling like my 99..........
Still seriously impressed, but a deep manual would definitely be a good thing...
Wish you hadn't suggested the VG99 integration, I suspect this is going to eat into my spare time hungrily  :P
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on August 28, 2017, 06:59:24 AM
I really need to check out the Mac version as I have much different results with iOS.

Running my Martin HD28 with lyric pickup into iTrack and MG2 it is of usable for slow attack pads and DADGAD saw it missing close intervals. They drop in and out.ook at the recorded midi data and it's like Morse code. I used it for pads/strings.

It's no match for the FTP tracking wise in terms of chords because of this, as has previously been mentioned on this thread.

Latency is slower than Roland and FTP on iOS but like I say I really need to give it a chance on a Mac to see what it's truly capable of.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on August 28, 2017, 08:19:09 AM
Quote from: Smash on August 28, 2017, 06:59:24 AM
I really need to check out the Mac version as I have much different results with iOS.

Running my Martin HD28 with lyric pickup into iTrack and MG2 it is of usable for slow attack pads and DADGAD saw it missing close intervals. They drop in and out.ook at the recorded midi data and it's like Morse code. I used it for pads/strings.

It's no match for the FTP tracking wise in terms of chords because of this, as has previously been mentioned on this thread.

Latency is slower than Roland and FTP on iOS but like I say I really need to give it a chance on a Mac to see what it's truly capable of.

For me the results with IOS are much better than the ones you describe and in the pc is even better.
It van sound like this if not tren there is some config problem:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfG6D9ONs0

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on August 28, 2017, 11:16:57 AM
1. That's not an iPad!
2. It's Tom Quayle!! He's a monster player and uber clean!!
3. It's a mono lead line - never disputed the mono tracking!
4. The polyphonic performance varies - it's not just me who's noticed it on tight interval chords - well documented earlier in the thread.
5. The latency is higher and more noticeable against FTP using ipad.

Great it's working for you - for me it's an app I don't use on iPad but I am interested in trying on Mac or PC so will download demo and see how I get on. It would be great to use a stock guitar for midi.

I will give it another go!


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on August 28, 2017, 11:26:22 AM
Most everyone get confused regarding Jam Origin MIDI Guitar application.

https://www.jamorigin.com/docs/midi-guitar-for-win-mac/f-a-q/#toggle-id-5

MIDI Guitar exists in three versions:

MIDI Guitar is the most feature packed. It comes as both as DAW plugins and standalone applications for Windows and Mac computers.
MIDI Guitar for Garageband is a Mac Store version which has only the essential features. Read more about on its product page.
http://www.jamorigin.com/products/midi-guitar-for-garageband/
MIDI Guitar for iOS is an iOS app which currently has only the essential features.
Any of our software packages is free to try with a full feature set and a one-click-download – so you can try out the different products and evaluate which one suites your needs.


DAW GUIDE
http://www.jamorigin.com/docs/daw/



https://youtu.be/nAyvoMmV-zU
https://youtu.be/OSosneD49rk
They have the new "MIDI GUITAR 2"
https://www.jamorigin.com/
https://www.jamorigin.com/download/


Compared to the Win/Mac OSX version, the IOS (Ipad) version of MIDI GUITAR 2 provides a bit higher latency and fewer features

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/midi-guitar/id523095780?mt=8

MIDI Guitar 2 is finally here on iOS!
Everything is improved. Tracking in particular.
ATTENTION! old customers: Don't upgrade yet if you have old iDevices (iPad2/3 or iPhone4)
ATTENTION! old customers: Please "Restore" your old purchase in the built-in shop.
More info at jamorigin.com
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on August 29, 2017, 12:19:42 AM
I know it lacks features but I thought the core conversion was the same?

TBH it's been a long time since I fired it up so will try again on iOS and with demo with PC
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on December 14, 2017, 10:11:09 AM
Hello,
i have some questions for the users that used the Jam Origin Midi guitar..
I used the Version 2.0.17 "the trial version" and the tracking is quite good,
but i have the Version 0.9.3 and it has a better tracking control.

I used the programs with the same guitar, the same setting, strings etc.

Now my quesiton is, if i buy the Version 2.2.1 "the full version and last",
will i have a better tracking than the 2.0.17?

Thanks
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 14, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
What do you mean with "better tracking control"?
I used version 1 and version 2 and the latest is the better and it has a lot of improvements in many aspects.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on December 17, 2017, 03:00:50 AM
Quote from: jassy on December 14, 2017, 05:48:44 PM
What do you mean with "better tracking control"?
I used version 1 and version 2 and the latest is the better and it has a lot of improvements in many aspects.

Sorry for my english i hope that you can understand me:

For better tracking control
i mean that for example there are less errors when you play the guitar.

For example
when i use the last version sometime can be doubled the note "more at low E" or when i play the opened E and go for the G note there is a little "slide" or doubled note.
With that old version i do not notice problems, it works for the 95%.

But i noticed this:

I use a Roland Quad capture as sound card, and with the old version is ok. Of course the card settings are the same for both the versions. When i  use the last midi guitar version i raise for example at max the noise gate, and i make every sound less dynamic possible and still i  can hear the sounds when i play or when i just tocuh the guitar.
How is it possible?
I use a guitar with single coil and the output is not high.

The same problem i had when i used Axon ax100 mkII.
For example i plaied a note and when i raised the finger the axon perceived the harmonic of the string, so the same thing does the Midi Guitar last version (i use flatwound strings).
Of course i lowed the sensivity, i mean that for to play a note i had to touch the string quite strong.

I noticed in Midi Guitar that many tracks improvement can be caused (for my problem) from the Vst.
For example, when i use the internal sounds or some kind of Vst there are these problems,
but when i use Native Insturments Fm8 the tracking is 95% good, when i use Native insturments Massive, the tracking is about 80% and there is a raise of that sensivity/volume that i wrote you.

And of course when i use the Fm8 with the last  version of midi guitar i don't have this 95% but i have an 80% for the same problem above.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 17, 2017, 06:28:19 PM
Sorry I thought you meant that the previous version had more controls to tweak the midi conversion/tracking.
The latest version has greatly simplified the controls to adjust the conversion leaving only a single control  "noise gate". It really is that simple. And it works for me with many type of guitars solid, semi acoustic and completely acoustic guitars.
A few people have reported having conversion problems, perhaps your case is one of these.
Try other guitars, with the volume and tone at maximum, or maybe with another audio interface to see if this solves your problem or if it not solve it and with the old version you get better results simply use the old one at the moment and write to the support of Jam origin to see if they can help you.
The the noise gate is not here to make the sound less dynamic, its here to avoid false triggers. If you want to control dynamics of the resulting midi velocity you have the "midi velocity" section where you have the parameter "curve" that I think acts like a midi compresor.
If you are getting to many false trigger notes then maybe you need to decrease the audio signal that com in midi guitar 2.
Midi Guitar is not yet a perfect system, for me the two big problems are with unusual intervals where in spite of detecting them, some of the notes get muted and in 2º place that in the final phase of the decay of the guitar sound sometimes undesired shots take place instead of simply silencing the note.
Hope that helps.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Albert on February 02, 2018, 08:51:18 AM
It's been a while since the last update  ;) Any news on new features with MidiGuitar?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 02, 2018, 08:58:11 AM
Ask them
http://www.jamorigin.com/about-us/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 21, 2018, 12:40:47 PM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/909029775879201/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 22, 2018, 04:01:58 PM
http://www.jazzguitar.be/forum/guitar-amps-gizmos/49391-best-midi-guitar-tracking-ive-found.html
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on March 06, 2018, 09:15:33 AM
I found this interesting video on YouTube the other night. This gentleman is using MIDI Guitar 2 in combination with a Roland PK-5A.


https://youtu.be/TXJwM79WdC0
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: vtgearhead on March 06, 2018, 09:59:01 AM
Those with inhumanly great technique have always been able to get cooperation out of guitar-driven MIDI.  The rest of us (read: me), not so much.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alongega@hotmail.com on March 12, 2018, 12:53:51 PM
Quote from: Kenmac on March 06, 2018, 09:15:33 AM
I found this interesting video on YouTube the other night. This gentleman is using MIDI Guitar 2 in combination with a Roland PK-5A.


https://youtu.be/TXJwM79WdC0

Thank you for your post, the video was very helpful. Actually the same person did also another video about how to play the trumpet with guitar using a "YouRock" guitar and a Line6 FVB, and this is a totally different configuration...
https://youtu.be/xhNyV6aZG6U

What do you think about other controllers that can help to simulate real instruments? Do you know if there are other options? I think that the controllers play a key part in the simulation of real instrument
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on March 13, 2018, 10:22:05 AM
Quote from: alongega@hotmail.com on March 12, 2018, 12:53:51 PM
Thank you for your post, the video was very helpful. Actually the same person did also another video about how to play the trumpet with guitar using a "YouRock" guitar and a Line6 FVB, and this is a totally different configuration...
https://youtu.be/xhNyV6aZG6U

What do you think about other controllers that can help to simulate real instruments? Do you know if there are other options? I think that the controllers play a key part in the simulation of real instrument

Yes there are several different controllers. I have one myself, the Yamaha EZ-AG which I bought back in 2006. There's also one which used to be made by Fender which was originally designed for the Rock Band game but people started using it as a MIDI guitar controller. Elantric knows more about that one. I think there was a thread on here about the different types of controllers. I personally find that MIDI Guitar 2 suits my needs fine but I still like to use the Yamaha once in a while.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alongega@hotmail.com on March 15, 2018, 12:53:22 PM
Thank you Kenmac, the Yamaha EZ-AG is very interesting!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on March 19, 2018, 02:59:06 PM
Here the new stereo EHX Platform compressor is used with 2 Schaller vintage pickups (they are so flat you can tape them anywhere!).
the stereo setup on my 8 string gives me a mini 4 string bass and 4 guitar strings, that fits for both tapping and fingerstyle.
The 4 guitarstrings are fed to MG, which is loaded with a Kontakt synth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxOqv3STQuQ

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: CodeSmart on March 19, 2018, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on March 19, 2018, 02:59:06 PM
The 4 guitarstrings are fed to MG, which is loaded with a Kontakt synth.
And you Amigo...what are you loaded with? Kryptonite? Yikes, how you play!!! :o
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on March 19, 2018, 04:38:23 PM
Quote from: CodeSmart on March 19, 2018, 04:16:30 PM
And you Amigo...what are you loaded with? Kryptonite? Yikes, how you play!!! :o
loaded with the force of habit, and trying to get away from it ;) .. thanks, CodeSmart!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on March 20, 2018, 12:38:24 AM
Ha ha - Brilliant! Awesome in fact.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: stublito on May 15, 2018, 01:40:46 PM
I bought MIDI Guitar to use with my acoustic guitar, it works pretty well. The downfall for me is that there is no MIDI channel per string - for adding bass parts, a D on the A string is the same MIDI note as an open D string. I guess I could tune drop D but I don't play well enough to adjust my fingering for that.

What would be awesome is a hex pickup connected to a miniature 6 channel audio interface (internal to the guitar), with each string going to a MIDI guitar instance. Unfortunately no one seems to make a miniature 6 channel audio to USB interface.

Prolly will have to get an FTP. I like the Roland stuff but too much hardware/cabling/power supplies.

Stublito
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: scribble58 on May 21, 2018, 09:40:22 AM
Have you tried adding the MIDI MACHINE bassline or Add bass note plugins that come with MIDI Guitar? They will add bass notes to whatever you are playing. Also check out Channel split MIDI MACHINE plugin as well.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on May 22, 2018, 12:46:59 AM
Quote from: stublito on May 15, 2018, 01:40:46 PM

Prolly will have to get an FTP. I like the Roland stuff but too much hardware/cabling/power supplies.

Stublito

Nothing wrong with FTP! Best available
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on May 22, 2018, 09:11:14 AM
 
Quote from: Smash on May 22, 2018, 12:46:59 AM
Nothing wrong with FTP! Best available

FTP?  Great!!!...until it decides to blow out on a gig - like mine did tonight. Thankfully MIDI Guitar 2 came to the rescue.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on May 22, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
Easy answer then - just use MG2 all the time and sell the FTP to pay for more softsynths!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 22, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: Vaultnaemsae on May 22, 2018, 09:11:14 AM
 

FTP?  Great!!!...until it decides to blow out on a gig - like mine did tonight. Thankfully MIDI Guitar 2 came to the rescue.

a few Tripleplay users have a connection issue ( and periodic drop outs) due to the various local RF spectrum in their global region

Damn shame the existing micro USB connector on the Tripleplay controller does NOT pass USB Class compliant MIDI over USB   - prevents a reliable wired connection to a computer

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 22, 2018, 10:03:41 AM
Quote from: Smash on May 22, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
Easy answer then - just use MG2 all the time and sell the FTP to pay for more softsynths!

until you want to transpose only specific strings or use Alternate tunings 
or want to try this
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=23516.msg171396#msg171396
QuoteAlso tranposing the 3rd and 4th string up an octave for piano or electric piano sounds is a great trick. It lets you play the notes of the chords closer together and it sounds more like s piano would.
- then you need a hex PU solution.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on May 23, 2018, 07:00:56 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on May 22, 2018, 09:59:39 AM
a few Tripleplay users have a connection issue ( and periodic drop outs) due to the various local RF spectrum in their global region

I'm in Australia. What info do I need to reference in order to find out if this possible RF is the reason I'm having problems with the FTP?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 23, 2018, 07:10:47 AM
Quote from: Vaultnaemsae on May 23, 2018, 07:00:56 AM
I'm in Australia. What info do I need to reference in order to find out if this possible RF is the reason I'm having problems with the FTP?

(https://s6.postimg.cc/4061jcl75/20130310_115835_zps45164fed.jpg)

Look on the bottom of the FTP - mine is above and says "Triple Play US" = North America RF frequencies


Fishman Triple Play Top Things to Know
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8427.0

What is meant by "Performance may vary – North American model only"? Can I use a North American version of TriplePlay in Europe?

The broadcast bands for wireless use on the North American model are different than those of the EU model. This may mean that these bandwidths are occupied in countries other than North America. Your results may be fine using the US pickup in your region, or you may encounter problems - we have no way of knowing for sure. European models have broadcast bands specified for use in the EU and are the only version of the product suggested for use in that region.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5175.msg62418#msg62418

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on May 23, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
I think that if Jam Origin give in their program the possibility to use for example, 2, or more inputs, as 6, will possible to use this with a gk3 pickup for eatch string.
For exple a box that accept a Gk3 input, then it will divide in 6 jack output and then you can use this on your sound card.
Maybe a 2 output version so you can use a lower E strings like a bass or another instrument or a classic 6 version for a total control of each string.
Just a my idea!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 23, 2018, 09:45:30 AM
Quote from: fendrix on May 23, 2018, 09:36:34 AM
I think that if Jam Origin give in their program the possibility to use for example, 2, or more inputs, as 6, will possible to use this with a gk3 pickup for eatch string.
For exple a box that accept a Gk3 input, then it will divide in 6 jack output and then you can use this on your sound card.
Maybe a 2 output version so you can use a lower E strings like a bass or another instrument or a classic 6 version for a total control of each string.
Just a my idea!

If your computer is powerful enough - you can already do this ( run multiple instances of Jam Origin at same time with a GK-3 +  an RMC  Breakout box  or Bill Bax Separate strings cable ( or SpiceTone 6APPEAL)   and run 6 instances of Jam Origin - one per string - or another real time pitch to MIDI  VST/AU detailed here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=51.0
(2SYN,


http://www.jamorigin.com/docs/daw/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on May 23, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
Cool thing!
Does somebody know where i could to buy a Gk 13 pin port in Europe?
I would like to make by myself one of these box!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 23, 2018, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: fendrix on May 23, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
Cool thing!
Does somebody know where i could to buy a Gk 13 pin port in Europe?
I would like to make by myself one of these box!

(https://s6.postimg.cc/cnr5dsg8x/SDD-130_J.png)
https://eu.mouser.com/ProductDetail/CUI/SDD-130J?qs=WyjlAZoYn50mYg%2fuAO8bqA%3d%3d

https://eu.mouser.com/datasheet/2/670/sds-xxj-1312653.pdf

GK Accessories
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=13.0


Bill Bax in UK
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=182.0
http://www.separate-strings.co.uk/

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.separate-strings.co.uk%2Fwpimages%2Fwpa0ce33e5_01_06.jpg&hash=065f693219ed2afdd1d71c0c3920422bab12f25a)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on May 23, 2018, 12:15:29 PM
Thank you!!!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on May 23, 2018, 01:44:15 PM
Use a submarine pickup for the bottom two strings.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on May 23, 2018, 01:49:17 PM
Quote from: Smash on May 23, 2018, 01:44:15 PM
Use a submarine pickup for the bottom two strings.

(https://images.reverb.com/image/upload/s--_2D35G1t--/a_exif,c_limit,e_unsharp_mask:80,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_south,h_1600,q_80,w_1600/v1526935179/qvbjmusyy2a6kijk4rh7.jpg)
Or for lowest latency  a G&L Comanche  rewired for Stereo ( low E-A-D = left) ( G-B-high E = Right)

and feed two SY-300's with a TRS Y cable

(https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/Hosa_Technology_STP_201RR_Stereo_1_4_Angled_Male_1233091647000_488287.jpg)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on May 24, 2018, 01:25:45 AM
I do like a cheap solution lol!  ;D
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on May 24, 2018, 07:24:54 AM
Improvisation Nr. 1674410 -- Counting Atoms
Sound: MIDI Guitar 2.2 (deep expressor, buildin JX10), analog compressor "yellow comp" in front of the audio interface.
The synth is held by foot via a midifoot controller and has a flanger effect on it to get that early Brian Eno sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBb_Jx0MbLo
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on May 24, 2018, 10:25:57 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on May 24, 2018, 07:24:54 AM
Improvisation Nr. 1674410 -- Counting Atoms
Sound: MIDI Guitar 2.2 (deep expressor, buildin JX10), analog compressor "yellow comp" in front of the audio interface.
The synth is held by foot via a midifoot controller and has a flanger effect on it to get that early Brian Eno sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBb_Jx0MbLo

May i ask you, is your Midi guitar version 2.2 the same as the free version? Does it track the same?
I still don't understand why, my Midi guitar 2 free version, does not works proprely like my 0.9.3 full version.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 24, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Quote from: fendrix on May 24, 2018, 10:25:57 AM
May i ask you, is your Midi guitar version 2.2 the same as the free version? Does it track the same?
I still don't understand why, my Midi guitar 2 free version, does not works proprely like my 0.9.3 full version.

and its crucial to know the

Operating System ( the iPad version is less functional / and higher latency vs OSX/macOS version)

Audio Interface ( not all are capable of delivering the  lowest latency 

Make /Model Computer ( not all are capable of delivering the  lowest latency 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on May 24, 2018, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on May 24, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
and its crucial to know the

Operating System ( the iPad version is less functional / and higher latency vs OSX/macOS version)

Audio Interface ( not all are capable of delivering the  lowest latency 

Make /Model Computer ( not all are capable of delivering the  lowest latency

i use windows 7 64 bit and windows 10 64 bit
Roland ua55
Acer, interl core i7 2630Qm 2.00 Ghz 8 Gb Ram.

I can use my sound card at 128 samples in 0.9.3 and no one error, and i need to keep 256 samples in 2.0 free and i have sometime errors "for example the cpu is too high", and, it is not accurate as 0.9.3 as ghost notes etc. I did all the setup possible.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on May 24, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
Quote from: fendrix on May 24, 2018, 10:47:40 AM
i use windows 7 64 bit and windows 10 64 bit
Roland ua55
Acer, interl core i7 2630Qm 2.00 Ghz 8 Gb Ram.

I can use my sound card at 128 samples in 0.9.3 and no one error, and i need to keep 256 samples in 2.0 free and i have sometime errors "for example the cpu is too high", and, it is not accurate as 0.9.3 as ghost notes etc. I did all the setup possible.

However the#1 issue is learning better playing technique
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on May 24, 2018, 11:08:55 AM
Quote from: admsustainiac on May 24, 2018, 10:53:10 AM
However the#1 issue is learning better playing technique

i use clean alternate picking
and i use Daddario Flatwound 0.52,
a jazz no sharp picking with a more "soft" material 1.00 mm
the action is quite high,
and i use the both sounds for the 2 versions and i have always better tracking 95% on 0.9.3.

It seems that in midi 2.0 the input gain and noise gate, don't work proprely for me,
i have on midi 2.0 an hammer on effect while i don't have on 0.9.3
The only 1 thing that the 2.0 works better, look like for a fingerstyle, while it looks more sensible than the 0.9.3.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on August 16, 2018, 04:27:02 AM
I posted ages ago about an issue with using a midi controller with MG2 on iOS for pitchbend.

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21386.msg156698#msg156698 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21386.msg156698#msg156698)

I'm glad to say that I figured that issue out. But now, I'm having a related issue with the standalone version of MG2 on MacOS.

There is an option to let MG2 know which MIDI controller you'd like it to listen to but it does not pass MIDI through to your hosted VST. It only allows you to assign controls to certain GUI functions e.g. Mix knob, volume, etc. But I want to be able to change patches in softsynths, control modulation/pitchbend, and send a myriad of other MIDI signals to the hosted VSTs...all from a Softstep 2.

I have been using MG2 as a plugin in Ableton Live 10 and that's fine because it's possible to set up each software instruments on its own channel strip and route the MIDI as you please but I've been looking for a more streamlined way to operate my software rig -- just to keep things really simple and ensure it'll run on different computers.

What I'm really looking for is a way to get the MG2 standalone app to pass MIDI through to the VST/AUs it hosts within its GUI. I imagine this is probably impossible but am asking anyway in case there is somebody who has a clever workaround. I recall a while back asking JamOrigin support about this with respect to pitchbend only and they said something like "you don't need external pitchbend as our app has another function for that". Fair point for pitchbend I suppose but not much use for anything else.

The Fishman TriplePlay app lets you assign an external MIDI controller for the VSTs but not for GUI control...I sometimes feel like its all part of a big conspiracy to thwart guitar synthesis nuts' musical dreams ::)

I had a big idea last week and purchased Blue Cat's Patchworks software (to run multiple synths) along with 32Lives (to resurrect Mobius 2 as a 64bit VST looper that could be run in the final FX block of MG2). Both great pieces of software but the idea I had won't work without MIDI signals making their way to Patchworks/Mobius 2!!!

I cannot think of any way to get around this problem in MG2 standalone. Any thoughts?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on August 16, 2018, 04:36:18 AM
I tried running 6 instances of MG2 in Ableton with a GK-3-equipped guitar/GP-10 to send each string to one instance of the plugin. It worked ok but I found it a bit 'mushy'. I could adjust individual string levels fairly easily but found I didn't really need to. I really didn't notice that much difference in performance other than on close interval polyphony. I guess that means the software is pretty damn good.

Next, I tested balancing the 6 string volumes (boosting the 1st/2nd strings a bit) and mixing them to a grouped output in Ableton with one instance of MG2. Almost the same results as without divided signals. 

I know this isn't new territory. Has anybody else tried this and have any ideas about it they'd like to share?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on August 16, 2018, 06:38:05 AM
Every now and then I boot up MG2 and give it a go - but last time it was crazy sensitive and whatever I do I seem to always get retriggering on held chords maybe its' the iTrack dock that's the problem.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Rhcole on August 16, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Smash,

I had to turn the sensitivity way down. Then it was terrific.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on August 17, 2018, 06:20:46 AM
I see my post got moved to here. Apologies if I posted incorrectly. Anybody know how to get MIDI to those hosted plugins???

EDIT: Seems I must've set something up incorrectly last time. I'm now getting at least CC1 (Modulation) to pass through to a VST even in standalone.

I can also see CCs turning switches on and off in the MIDI Machine section - although they are not 'learn' assignable.

I think the MIDI Machines require further exploration but there's very little info on them out there.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on August 17, 2018, 10:24:43 AM
Might try a more capable VSTi Host app that allow deep real time MIDI Control

Cantabile
(https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/Files/Cantabile3258-900px.png)

https://www.cantabilesoftware.com/


or

Live Professor
http://audiostrom.com/
https://youtu.be/f-F4VnANWRE
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on August 17, 2018, 02:50:56 PM
Yes, I think I mentioned using Ableton Live 10. It works great. Just wanted to master the stand-alone app.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on August 25, 2018, 04:36:06 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JzIzpSKYHU

In this vid, only MG internal sounds where used (plus a simple VST compressor I made myself)
1) I added 2 Schaller vintage pickups to my 8-string, each pickup picking up 4 strings.
2) Tuning:
   the lower 4 strings are tuned one oct up, like normal guitar loewrstrings EAdg. they are octaved down for midi in MG
   the higher 4 strings are tuned Bead', but you can use dgbe' if you want to do it "hunter" style.
3) 2 instances of MG are running here.
    the synths can be hold here with my midi footpedal. The expressor sound will continue independent from that.

Best,
Paul


Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on August 31, 2018, 01:23:53 PM
https://youtu.be/i-c1_3rqiI8

https://www.facebook.com/groups/909029775879201/permalink/1940069056108596/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on August 31, 2018, 07:55:10 PM
Quote from: Elantric on August 31, 2018, 01:23:53 PM
https://youtu.be/i-c1_3rqiI8

https://www.facebook.com/groups/909029775879201/permalink/1940069056108596/
Good find.
in this other video the results are impressive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkjEQrYjNfQ
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: fendrix on September 07, 2018, 01:17:29 AM
this program gived me the best trakcing, better any axon, roland gi, gr etc.
Of course yo need to have a balanced pickup and i think is better to use a single coil, humbucker give too many harmonics.
Anyway, i still can't understand why my old version, works better in tracking, than the new beta...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on September 14, 2018, 10:39:40 AM
https://www.facebook.com/groups/909029775879201/permalink/1958855864229915/

Paul wrote>

If you want to remote (foot)control MIDI GUITAR plugin within a DAW, you have to use some tricks. You can use the setup described here for overloud plugins.
It works for most DAW'S, only Logic needs a sidechaing. MG hasnt got a sidechain.

(https://www.overloud.com/sites/almateq/files/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202018-07-24%20at%2009.22.25.png)
https://www.overloud.com/node/166
How to send MIDI to a plugin in a DAW
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on September 14, 2018, 11:42:09 AM
https://youtu.be/z5G0g3Sw3uY
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on September 16, 2018, 02:45:31 PM
https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos/552386231861310/

More of a technical post, interesting for some MIDI Guitar 2 users. The buildin JX10 synth has a small set of functions that can be triggered remotely via CC's.
I have made a small "midimachine" script that you can use in MG to map the aftertouch to the proper cc's for JX10.
The tremolo effect in the vid just my finger pushing softly at the start of the string, hence "aftertouch"
The midimachine script itself is below here.

You can ofcourse use this also with any other synth that has CC controls.

Usage:
GATE - is a velocity gate, all notes with velocity higher than this will sound
GAIN - noteons higher as GATE get boosted
TARGET - which JX10 param to modify with the aftertouch
SENSE - how strong the targetted param is modified
**Aftertouch must be on!

Create a new midimachine, replace everything with folowing content:
-- COPY START
--
-- JX10 DRIVER
--

-- Paul Driessen, Jam Origin 2018
-- our global stack:
-- interface vars:

TARGET = 1
GATE=1
SENSE=1
GAIN=1

-- array to store aftertouches, LUA uses {} to indicate an empty array
CurrentAfterTouch = {}

function OnNote(channel, pitch, velocity)
if velocity>0 then
if velocity>GATE then
CurrentAfterTouch[pitch] = velocity-GATE -- this inits/resets our custom aftertouch array
myGain = (velocity-GATE) * GAIN
Note(channel, pitch, myGain)
end
else
Note(channel, pitch, 0)
end

end

function OnBend(channel, pitch, bend)
Bend(channel, pitch, bend) -- alters every incoming bend message
end

function OnControl(channel, cc, value)
Control(channel, cc, value) -- alters every incoming continuous controller
end

function OnAfterTouch(channel, pitch, velocity)
--AfterTouch(new_channel, pitch, velocity)
if velocity > GATE then
CurrentAfterTouch[pitch] = velocity - GATE
else
CurrentAfterTouch[pitch] = 0
end

--Control(channel, TARGET, velocity)
end

function OnFrame(notes)
peakAFT=0
for i, n in ipairs(notes) do
if CurrentAfterTouch[n.pitch] > peakAFT then
peakAFT=CurrentAfterTouch[n.pitch]
end
end
peakAFT = SENSE * peakAFT
if peakAFT>127 then peakAFT=127 end
Control(1, TARGET, peakAFT)
end

function OnStart(info)
info.description = "JX10 Driver"
--info.link = "jamor"

Knob("GATE", 0, 0,126, 1)
Knob("GAIN", 0, 0.25,10, 0.1)

List("TARGET",0,"VCF LFO","VCF Freq Up","VCF Freq Down") --
Knob("SENSE", 0, 0.01,5, 0.1)
-- UI order 0 (is currently not used)
-- "item 1" will result in index value 1! LUA is "1 based" for array/list subscripts.
Text(0,"Simple JX10 Driver -- Needs Aftertouch!")
end
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on September 17, 2018, 11:59:10 AM
Guys, I just downloaded the demo of Midi Guitar 2, and I have a simple question.

What do I have to do to remove completely my guitar's sounds, so I'm only hearing MG's synth sounds?

I read all the way through the Help file. It was informative, but it wasn't particularly helpful. The Help file indicates that, in the Mixer panel, the Mix knob controls the, well, the mix. But if I turn the Mix all the way to the right, the synth is louder, but I can still hear the guitar clearly. In the MIDI Velocity panel, if I crank up the gain, this boosts the synth volume, but the guitar is still there. If I turn down the Input Gain in the Audio Interface panel, only the guitar is heard. That seems counter-intuitive. If I turn it all the way up, I still hear the guitar. In the guitar panel, if I select "None" the gain control has no effect. Even if I choose an effect, say Deep Harmonic EQ, the gain control has little effect, and the guitar is still heard. 

There's bound to be a way to cut the guitar's signal so only the synth remains. I've watched too many demos of MG2 to think that this can't be done. So, what's the trick?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on September 17, 2018, 12:11:39 PM
QuoteThere's bound to be a way to cut the guitar's signal so only the synth remains. I've watched too many demos of MG2 to think that this can't be done. So, what's the trick?

https://www.jamorigin.com/download/
http://www.jamorigin.com/docs/daw/


What platform are you on? (Win/Mac/IOS)

What version of MIDI Guitar2 and what type are you using? ( standalone, or as a AU/VSTi plugin in a DAW?

What make/ model Audio interface are you using ?
https://youtu.be/LAu6yyMlcBk

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Rhcole on September 17, 2018, 12:20:52 PM
Just use a 3rd party synth within iOS and turn off the voices in MG2. You then need an app to add the guitar back in, if you want it.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: cooltouch on September 17, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
My platform is Win7 -- 64 bit, and yes, I d/l'd the 64 bit version of MG2.

The version of MG2 I'm using is the version JamOrigin is making available as a free (demo) download - v2.0.17. When I boot it, a reminder shows, telling me that a more recent version exists -- but it is available only to those who have bought a license. 

Rhcole: I'm not using any iOS product at the moment. This is my DAW. I do have an iPad, however, so an iOS version of this software may be an option for me at some future point.

My audio interface is an extension of my sound card. I have a M-Audio Delta-66 card with its dedicated Omni I/O "Integrated Desktop Audio Station." The Omni I/O amounts to a compact, yet full featured, 4-channel mixer with XLR/TRS/Phono inputs, monitor and phones outs, and even effects returns. See it here:

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/m-audio-omni-i-o (https://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-audio/m-audio-omni-i-o)

After posting the above note, I got to thinking that maybe I could mute the M-Audio's output to remove the guitar signal. The M-Audio has a rather simple software mixer. So I tried muting the output. That didn't work. It killed everything. So I tried a few different things and finally hit upon one that does work. If I mute the input this gets rid of the guitar signal and only the MG2's signal remains.

Yay!

So I played around a bit with the pianos and organs. A lot of fun.  I realized quite quickly that not all the MG2's patches are synths. There's a fair amount of patches that amount to amp sims, so to speak, where the guitar signal's being processed without any synth sounds. Like the Deep Driving Blues patch, for example. Interesting . . .

There are a few things I like about MG2 right off the bat. First, latency is almost non-existent. Now that is durn near magic, you ask me. It also tracks chords reasonably well, as long as I'm careful to articulate them properly. And it does an admirable job of following fast scale passages with a minimum of artifact production. But one thing it does do is generate random bursts of static, which then max out the CPU indicator, generating the yellow triangle with exclamation point. I don't think the static is coming from my hardware setup, although I suppose I could be mistaken. I'm hoping its more the case of this being a demo version and the paid-for most current version won't exhibit this downside.

Watching the video at JamOrigin, I note that the guitarist is accessing a few patches that don't come with this free version. I looked for a list of patches at their website, but couldn't find one. I do hope the paid-for version does include more. Yes, I know I can associate VSTs with it, but I'd still like to have a reasonably complete selection of native sounds.

Well, I'm gonna go play with it some more. Time to retire my cool old GR-33? I dunno. Maybe. But I do see MG2 as being a very real alternative to Fishman's Triple Play.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on September 17, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gess.co.jp%2Fcgi%2Fgess%2Froland%2Fgr-33.jpg&hash=255a20eb110ea13ab1c52e8148c32f587750c62a)

I like the GR-33  - it has  ideal /  built in  guitar synth live performance foot controls ( Hold, Glide/Portamento, CTL pedal,  Expression Pedal  and stereo return mixer for your third party guitar processor

if you need decent Pianos and Saxophones for your cover band  - IMHO the GR-33 works much better than the GR-55

Roland GR-33 FAQ
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=14682.0


QuoteWatching the video at JamOrigin, I note that the guitarist is accessing a few patches that don't come with this free version

There are endless options for computer based Guitar MIDI Synths  - triggering many third party "soft-synths" or sample based orchestral sounds  (Gariton, Omnispehere, NI Komplete, East-West,  etc,

many are listed here:

Guitar to MIDI - USB to Softsynth
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?board=51.0

http://www.jamorigin.com/portfolio-item/paul-driessen/
so be sure to READ the description in the Jam Origins MIDI Guitar Youtube videos from Paul Dreissen (GuitarPolson) which typically list the signal chain and third party soft synth employed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygyRpEgbqY4

(https://i.postimg.cc/Qsy3NV0m/image.png)

https://youtu.be/5wK1UcfP62Q
https://youtu.be/KifLfoJd_yc
the "modulator" is a clean compressed guitar signal. the "carrier" is Morphoder's build in synth, controlled by the midi notes of MIDI Guitar .
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brak(E)man on September 21, 2018, 09:27:14 AM
I've just downloaded the iOS version.
No deep fx ?
Is it in the planned future?
Or to demanding for iPad fi ?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on September 22, 2018, 02:49:13 AM
Thinks it's too demanding - I get cpu too slow spikes every now and then on iPad air 2 with nothing else running.

Be interested to know how you get on with it. I struggle but others get great results. I wonder whether it's the itrack dock tgats my problem so be interesting to know your results as think you have same?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: phals2002 on October 15, 2018, 04:49:18 PM
What is the best Macbook for using MG2 ?
Is macbook Air with Core i processor still capable?
Im trying to buy Macbook and planning to bring to my gig. Really need the light version equipment  :D

One more thing Ive tried MG in my ipad Air but it really cannot work at all.
Sooooo many ghost notes, is iOS not suitable for MG?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on October 15, 2018, 04:54:09 PM
Quote from: phals2002 on October 15, 2018, 04:49:18 PM
What is the best Macbook for using MG2 ?
Is macbook Air with Core i processor still capable?
Im trying to buy Macbook and planning to bring to my gig. Really need the light version equipment  :D

One more thing Ive tried MG in my ipad Air but it really cannot work at all.
Sooooo many ghost notes, is iOS not suitable for MG?

Try to get a MacBook Pro with 16GB RAM  - works better for hosted AU Synths  / Samplers.

( many older models are restricted to 4GB or only have 8GB RAM )

MIDI Guitar on IOS is a different experience - due to the lower class hardware of iPad vs Macbook Pro
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2018, 04:02:28 AM
We're currently updating the IOS version, it is now not in the appstore, because it was not compatible with IOS12.
The new version will be available somewhere this month.

Showing of the new compressorfunction, contained in the next update of #jamorigin #MIDIGuitar for IOS..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKe7JW5GxHs
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on December 15, 2018, 05:41:29 AM
That is incredibly impressive!!

I await the latest version to have another go at gelling with it
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2018, 06:16:46 AM
Quote from: Smash on December 15, 2018, 05:41:29 AM
That is incredibly impressive!!

I await the latest version to have another go at gelling with it
Thanks! for the record: that is an d'addario 0.85 set on it, very cool set for this kind of jokes.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on December 15, 2018, 06:29:06 AM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on December 15, 2018, 06:16:46 AM
Thanks! for the record: that is an d'addario 0.85 set on it, very cool set for this kind of jokes.

Assume you mean these?

(https://media.rainpos.com/8206/a1egnwxzptl_sx425__20180918110542.jpg)
(https://www.long-mcquade.com/files/3381/lg_EXL130+_detail2.jpg)

EXL130+ Nickel Wound, Extra-Super Light Plus, 8.5-39





http://www.daddario.com/DADProductDetail.Page?ActiveID=3769&productid=3&productname=EXL130__Nickel_Wound__Extra_Super_Light_Plus__8_5_39&sid=d35dade5-df88-4f8f-b775-ea1523d2bcba

EXL130+, with its 8.5 gauge high E, offers a slight variation in tension and is ideal for players looking to jump to heavier gauges in small increments.

"Plus" gauge for improving hand strength, an alternate feel or balancing tension between guitars
Round wound with nickelplated steel for distinctive bright tone
Environmentally friendly, corrosion resistant packaging for strings that are always fresh
Made in the U.S.A. for the highest quality and performance
String Gauges: Plain Steel .0085, .0105, .015, Nickel Wound .022, .032, .039
XL Nickel Wound, D'Addario's most popular electric guitar strings, are precision wound with nickelplated steel onto a carefully drawn, hexagonally shaped, high carbon steel core. The result, strings with long lasting, distinctive bright tone and excellent intonation, is ideal for the widest variety of guitars and musical styles.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 15, 2018, 06:44:01 AM
Quote from: admin on December 15, 2018, 06:29:06 AM
Assume you mean these?
yes.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: CodeSmart on December 16, 2018, 06:16:38 AM
Also I'm looking forward to an app that makes my play guitar as insanely good as Paul. I guess not available in AppStore within my lifetime. ::)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on December 16, 2018, 06:24:02 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on December 16, 2018, 06:16:38 AM
Also I'm looking forward to an app that makes my play guitar as insanely good as Paul. I guess not available in AppStore within my lifetime. ::)
thanks!
but please dont look forward to it, those DNA implants hurt as hell.. ;)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: CodeSmart on December 25, 2018, 12:43:45 AM
Quote from: Fender MIJ on December 24, 2018, 08:51:42 AM
Pitch to Midi Conversion Times for Midi Guitar 2
(using Midi Guitar 2 as plugin within Reaper DAW)

Polyphonic Setting
E4: 20 ms
B3: 25 ms
G3: 26 ms
D3: 23 ms
A2: 36 ms
E2: 32 ms
Average: 27 ms

Monophonic Setting
E4: 10 ms
B3: 14 ms
G3: 20 ms
D3: 20 ms
A2: 26 ms
E2: 30 ms
Average: 20 ms

Results were not as good as what I thought and expected, but not bad considering no use of hex pickup.  MG2 is very usable in polyphonic setting for pads and in monophonic seting for single note soloing.

See Wayne Joness Midi Speed Tests and compare to various Roland units:
https://www.joness.com/gr300/MIDI_SPEED.htm

Nice, but me and many guys here wants a stomp box synth unit with this technology.  ;D
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on December 25, 2018, 03:01:33 AM
We do!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on December 25, 2018, 03:08:22 AM
CodeSmart, if anyone could build it...
You know you could!
Merry MIDI Christmas all :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: nix808 on December 25, 2018, 05:10:58 PM
you guys started me looking for a guitar pedal that runs VSTs,
and I found this->
https://www.modemachines.com/vped-vped-pro
I don't know if it could be made applicable to running MIDI Guitar
very merry Xmas!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on December 25, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
Search on vped


https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8385.0
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on December 26, 2018, 01:12:29 AM
Regarding the pitch to midi times, I think its worth noting that MG2 offers something additionally beyond timings that all the roland units and the FTP do not seem to match & that is 'play feel' and specifically the ability to ignore things which trigger other units. In real world terms this makes MG2 highly expressive, for example having very good dynamic control of rapid hammer on / pull off's going from loud to very quiet and maintaining a constant tracking of what you hear on the guitar - other units as soon as the levels start to drop start to lose notes or introduce false triggers.
This for me is why I prefer MG2 for guitar to midi (....even tho Im still using hex for everything else - go figure :-) 
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on December 26, 2018, 09:24:59 AM
Quote from: Headless68 on December 26, 2018, 01:12:29 AM
Regarding the pitch to midi times, I think its worth noting that MG2 offers something additionally beyond timings that all the roland units and the FTP do not seem to match & that is 'play feel' and specifically the ability to ignore things which trigger other units. In real world terms this makes MG2 highly expressive, for example having very good dynamic control of rapid hammer on / pull off's going from loud to very quiet and maintaining a constant tracking of what you hear on the guitar - other units as soon as the levels start to drop start to lose notes or introduce false triggers.
This for me is why I prefer MG2 for guitar to midi (....even tho Im still using hex for everything else - go figure :-)

Fwiw Roland VG99 , GR55, GP10 have many guitar to midi control parameters, including play feel , Nuance, etc

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=31
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Headless68 on December 27, 2018, 10:36:33 AM
they do, & I have experimented with them all, but for me nothing is as expressive as MG2 building up from nothing (volume) and still having near perfect tracking - if you have an ultra ultra clean playing style then you may prefer FTP or GP10, but most guitarists are coming at guitar to midi from the other direction because unclean playing can reward 'normal' guitar tones.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Rhcole on December 27, 2018, 04:53:38 PM
I have owned all of the above products. MG2 is a quantum breakthrough and has caused me to rethink my entire synth setup.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on December 28, 2018, 07:45:41 AM
Total opposite for me. Always comes out very messy. FTP on other hand seems to be best for me BUT I would love to unlock MG2 potential and free myself from hex mounts
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 28, 2018, 01:17:48 PM
I have also used all the guitar to midi systems and when I see these MG2 latency tests I am surprised, because in real use MG2 has an immediacy and uniformity in the response that other systems with less latency seem not to achieve. The high predictability in the results is probably the key. The response capacity in monophonic is insane, any speed is possible throughout the neck with a totally musical solidity.
But MG is not free of defects, one of the most important and known is the inability to correctly solve intervals with tension. But one of the defects that bother me most lately is that when a note falls to a certain threshold instead of extinguishing (which would be so easy) there is a series of uncontrolled and totally anti-musical retriggering of the note. It drives me crazy. Does this happen to anyone else?
Have tried with all my guitars, sound cards and it happens everytime and it is really annoying and ruins the interpretation. Any help about it?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on December 28, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
Sorry if this seems obvious but have you tried to adjust the noise gate?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 28, 2018, 05:02:45 PM
Quote from: Vaultnaemsae on December 28, 2018, 02:05:05 PM
Sorry if this seems obvious but have you tried to adjust the noise gate?
Yes tried it, but I use it to decide the thresold where I want to the note trigger starts ie to avoid to trigger notes that I dont want. But no matter where I put the noise gate when the note fades out and reaches the end of the sound I get a machine gun effect made of retriggerings.
Very annoying.
I had not used MG2 for a while but lately I'm back and I'm running into this problem, in fact I do not remember that it was so annoying. Logically only happens when I play sustained notes, for example with long chords.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 28, 2018, 05:29:55 PM
Quote from: Fender MIJ on December 28, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
I get the trigerring of notes (sometimes a bass note will trigger or even a note a half step below the note that is decaying) as the volume fades.  This happens on the single coil neck position.  When I use the hum-cancelling 2nd pickup position I don't get these false note triggers. I think quiet pickups and not setting your gain too high on your audio interface could help. Sounds also like the noise gate in MG2 is not set high enough. Crank it to 12 o'clock and see if you get the same results.
I put it at 12 o'clock and the thing has improved in some way, especially because now the note lasts longer and takes longer to reach the point of fading. That makes me find myself less frequently with that moment while I'm playing and the problem is minimized. It may be an interim solution.
But the problem persists, if we wait for the note to fade, at the end there is a series of re unwanted note triggers like a machine gun. Can you try this? I think it's an MG2 bug because these shots at the end of a note could easily be filtered.
Also when we put the noise gate at 12 o'clock or more a warning triangle lights up warning that it is too much. I also think that someone mentioned that in high settings of the noise gate the latency is increased.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Rhcole on December 28, 2018, 06:35:57 PM
When I feed my Telecaster into MG2 it is almost bulletproof. I can play weird intervals and I also get little to no mistriggers.

It's hard for me to say it, but it works better for me than the FTP did. And it is way less complicated of a setup, even with the required audio interface to my iPad.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 28, 2018, 06:53:07 PM
Quote from: Fender MIJ on December 28, 2018, 06:06:50 PM
Put a noise gate in your DAW in front of MG2 plugin.  You won't be able to sustain as long but it will cut off the signal before it has a chance to mistrigger.
Seems a good idea, thanks.
Anyway I hope Jam origin can solve this strange behaviour, in theory it seems easy to solve it filtering that retriggering at very low levels that happens.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on December 28, 2018, 06:57:46 PM
Quote from: Rhcole on December 28, 2018, 06:35:57 PM
I can play weird intervals and I also get little to no mistriggers.
In my experience weird intervals can be played but normally some note of the "weird" interval gets inmediately muted or dampened, does not happen that way to you?
In my Ipad pro MG2 also works reasonably good.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on January 16, 2019, 12:18:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos/466042447259979/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on January 17, 2019, 11:58:18 AM
hey.. thanks for sharing!..
the vid is not with a synth: that is with the new little guitartone machine inside MIDI Guitar named Sweetspot.
it is a rather tweaked booster-eq-limiter-overdrive that can do a wide range of colours.
It is premiered in MIDI Guitar 2.5 for IOS which is currently in Beta.
Drop us a line at support-at-jamorigin.com if you want to join the beta.
Best, Paul

Quote from: admin on January 16, 2019, 12:18:22 PM
https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos/466042447259979/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on January 18, 2019, 03:36:40 AM
Quote from: jassy on December 28, 2018, 06:57:46 PM
In my experience weird intervals can be played but normally some note of the "weird" interval gets inmediately muted or dampened, does not happen that way to you?
In my Ipad pro MG2 also works reasonably good.

Yep and quite a few notes retriggering for no reason.

I tried again on iOS the other week (as I've bought the thing) but latency, retriggering and dropped notes in tight interval chords push me back to FTP again. I should say I was using acoustic variax as source and I suspect a lot of performance issues may be round the tone as presented to it. I'm guessing bridge humbucker would provide best performance?

I will sit tight for next iteration and try again - really want to get it to work for me! (i know I'm in minority)

I should say though, monophonic performance by comparison seemed fast and stable - weird!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 14, 2019, 07:30:01 AM
New IOS version is out, and we're proud of it! :)
-new interface, fully GPU accelerated
-IAA support
-new sweetspot compressor/driver effect,
-midi output per patch
-midi controller input support for sustain, transpose. ( synth volume is supported on hard cc7)
-midi Program Change support ( works on sorted patchnames, please use 00x style name prefix for ordering your patches)
-better noise gate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4C9YdOH7GI
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on February 14, 2019, 09:28:58 AM
Downloaded and spent half hour with it. I admit I went straight for the jugular - opening to "You are so beautiful" - it's that F# on the 4th against the open g it just can't detect. It goes for one or the other. The whole song was messier compared to what I can achieve on FTP. Some phantom retriggering on held notes.

BUT the mono lead and bass sounds are bloody great!! It really shines here and I'd say it's BETTER  than the FTP for mono solo lead stuff. It really seems to pick up it's skirt and fly (latency was bothering me on piano chord stuff)

Some really expressive stuff you can do with those lead sounds. Very impressive.

Totally killer lead machine.

I'm still struggling with poly though no matter what pup or messing with input gain. Maybe my iPad is too low spec? Could the itrack be messing it up somehow? It's gotta be something to do with me or setup as vids don't seem to have problems.

Ipad air 2 on itrack dock
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on February 14, 2019, 02:59:28 PM
Midiguitar 2.5 needs IOS 12.
So IOS 12 is a safe step? no worse latency problems?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 14, 2019, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from:  admin
YEs - if your ipad is older than 18 months
we tested on the oldest ipads that can go to iOS12, and MG2.5 works very fine on it.
Our reference is a A7 cpu, running on Ipad Air 1.
ofcourse we talk only about our app: if you run a lot of extra apps at the same time, an old ipad might be not so suitable.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on February 17, 2019, 09:38:24 AM
Also along the lines of "new uses", here's a YouTube video I saw last night where a gentleman uses his keyboard to play a song and he also uses his voice going through a microphone via MIDI Guitar 2 to trigger another lead synth sound. I already knew you could do this but this is the first time I've seen it done in a video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlrUGN-0cm4
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on February 17, 2019, 04:01:00 PM
We have made our own forum: jamosapien.com

I have allready added a few good MIDI Machines there ( the scripts you can use in the full version of MIDI Guitar)
Custom Gate  - a harder gate with retrigger control
Length filter   - short note filter ( costs latency but great tool to clean up the midi for recording in daw, also nice for pads )
JX 10 Driver  - maps aftertouch to cc's that the built-in JX10 synth understands.

https://jamosapien.com/c/pc-mac/midi-machines
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 28, 2019, 11:54:39 AM
https://youtu.be/mTvZUhUlHlo
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on February 28, 2019, 11:59:01 PM
That's impressive!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mikko127 on May 20, 2019, 07:25:59 PM
I have a newbie question regarding the Midi Guitar 2. I have the ipad version and using it live, works great. But what I want to accomplish is to get 5pin midi out from the ipad to trigger my rack unit sound module (Ensoniq MR Rack). I've search on youtube and google but no info is available. Will iConnectMIDI1 work? Or do I need to get other gear?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Mikko127 on May 20, 2019, 10:07:49 PM
Quote from: Les Paul Special on May 20, 2019, 09:01:09 PM
You'll need an audio interface that works with the iPad and has 5-pin midi out such as the Focusrite 2i4: https://focusrite.com/usb-audio-interface/scarlett/scarlett-2i4 or https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/audio_interfaces/ur_series/models/ur22mkii.html

You just have to set the iOS Midi Guitar 2 app for external midi and choose the 2i4 or UR22 as your external midi source. The video below demonstrates how to do this.  Instead of selecting "virtual midi," you would select your midi interface. In this video the interface being used is the Steinberg UR22 MkII which shows up as a midi output option: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOZrS4Qr7j4

Thank you Les Paul Special. That is exactly what I was looking for.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on June 04, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
Experimenting with a acoustic/synth setup here..
a Logic synth driven with MIDI guitar 2 and TEC BBC2 breathcontroller.
The guitar's piezo is used for MG and a overhead mike is stuck into the guitar via a hole in the back for the normal guitarsound.
(Crackles in the sound are due to the fact that I do not yet have the newest Mac pro ;) Logic eats bit too much CPU now while recording with camera app.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyntH94aEOQ
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on June 06, 2019, 12:43:15 PM
https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos/307370063533445/

Here paul assigned the breathcontroller's CC to synth/guitar balance in MIDI Guitar 2.2.1 via midi learn.
The loaded synth is the standard tenorsax from N.I. Kontakt.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on June 06, 2019, 12:47:24 PM
https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos/330116467657595/

Experimenting with a acoustic/synth setup here..
a Logic synth driven with MIDI guitar 2 and TEC breathcontroller. The guitar's piezo is used for MG and a overhead mike is stuck into the guitar via a hole in the back for the normal guitarsound.
Crackles in the sound are due to the fact that I do not yet have the newest Mac pro [​IMG];) Logic eats bit too much CPU now while recording with camera app.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on June 21, 2019, 01:51:47 PM
https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos

https://www.facebook.com/experimentalPaul/videos/372096563441483/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Smash on June 23, 2019, 11:15:58 AM
Paul - totally ignoring MG2 for a moment- you are a MONSTER player! Incred9nly impressive - hats off to you sir!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on June 26, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
Quote from: Smash on June 23, 2019, 11:15:58 AM
Paul - totally ignoring MG2 for a moment- you are a MONSTER player! Incred9nly impressive - hats off to you sir!
thanks! really appreciated..
I've bought a Zoom L12 today, it will allow me to use al those different guitarconfigs I use without rewiring everything and ofcourse record everything in multitrack.. I think I'll do a vid about this setup later this week.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on June 26, 2019, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: Guitarpolson on June 26, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
thanks! really appreciated..
I've bought a Zoom L12 today, it will allow me to use al those different guitarconfigs I use without rewiring everything and ofcourse record everything in multitrack.. I think I'll do a vid about this setup later this week.

Let us know how you get on with the Zoom L12
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21486.msg154767#msg154767
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alexmcginness on June 26, 2019, 02:24:39 PM
Zoom recorders are great. Ive got two R-16s. Great sounding audio and I use one as a mixer for my one man show.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: thebrushwithin on July 21, 2019, 12:19:28 PM
Caught them live just a few months ago, in a very small local bar, and I highly recommend hearing them! Great trio, and their approach to the ELP classics was excellent - very different from the normal tribute band approach, and Carl Palmer's playing is as excellent as ever. Time has been very kind to him!!!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: PD FX on November 30, 2019, 06:35:12 AM
(attention: weird hippyjazz alert)
Inside Jam Origin's MIDI Guitar 2.2.1 there is an effect called Deep Expressor. it is an elaborate filter that uses midi to change the harmonics and dynamics of your guitar sound. It also has a knob to balance the attack vs. the sustained sound.
Here I dialed in just the sustained sound: this means that the synth is sync with the guitar, and that the fret tick is cancelled.
A TEC BBC2 breath controller is sending CC#2 to the JX10 for modding the cutoff of the synth.

The zoom L-12 is used for interfacing and recording: my Screenflow videosoftware actually automaticall captures 14 channels of it, so I could adjust the mix between backing and MIDI Guitar in the post easily. Sofar the L-12 is a perfect livemixer for me, I didnt use it as a recorder yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZfHRKhrGs8

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on January 15, 2020, 11:49:05 AM
https://youtu.be/VS0_LoM-kg4
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on December 29, 2020, 03:53:09 AM
Just got one yesterday - still experimenting, so far so good. Tested also the Bass version and that needs more experimenting, some glitches and strange behavior that are not in the Guitar version.
I think it's a good complement to a digital rig, being the signal all in the digital domain you can trigger soft-synths and get good results, especially because the MIDI Machines inside MIDI Guitar 2 are really can shape your expression. Used the auto bass yesterday and i could play for about 40 minutes and enjoy in full... but I forgot to press record in Ableton Live. At least I remember the harmonies. The simplification was great. Only my guitar no GK into a Audio Interface and direct into Ableton Live. Guitar MIDI also doubles as a good Guitar Plugin for clean sounds.

:)   
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Kenmac on February 06, 2021, 10:07:15 AM
I found this software versus hardware comparison video on YouTube last night. MIDI Guitar 2 versus Axon Ax 100. He comes across as being fair and even handed to both of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFdyQ8FKl0Y
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on February 06, 2021, 12:29:33 PM
I dunno...Have you seen/heard any LoFi Lief MG2 videos? Have you ever hear John McLaughlin playing an Axon? The technology is as good as the player is and those players adapt to the strengths of the tech. Seems like this guy didn't set up either device correctly and doesn't have the technical control to make either work very musically. Plus the information on latency is flat out incorrect.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mooncaine on February 06, 2021, 10:09:01 PM
Yeah, but our goal is to find an instrument that we can play reasonably quickly on without needing to first pick as articulately and speedily as John McLaughlin.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on February 07, 2021, 12:00:07 AM
As an owner I can easily say that even before adopting a little just like with any guitar to midi conversion, you need to set it up to match your playing style.  At the beginning I was lost I wasn't able to do what I saw on the videos. By reading the manual and experimenting more I got to a point where I created my own patch for monophonic solos and another one polyphonic for chords. Then it was the time to play with the midi Configuration. By adding midi machines I was able to make it better. As a comparison I have a VG 99 Connected to a roland in the JV 1010 Using a standard Midi cable.
I have to say that experience changes when it comes to the Synth that you want to play. The full hw Experience looks better and plays better on average. By using jam origin and Zebra, I have some patches that react better than others and so I observe different pliability. Jam origin is very good when it comes to solos while you have to pay attention when it comes to chords as they depend on the patch. That was my experience and does not necessarily represent experience of others. I think for what it does Jam origin Is a great plug-in for the price. I mean you can really enjoy Guitar to midi without additional hardware. However it's not a plug and play experience.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Shingles on February 07, 2021, 01:44:16 AM
https://youtu.be/Ik7kitmrk8k

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on February 07, 2021, 05:54:31 AM
Quote from: Shingles on February 07, 2021, 01:44:16 AM
https://youtu.be/Ik7kitmrk8k

Like this! You are actually pointing  out another important thing : using a controller can really change your experience, cool sound and solo :D
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on February 07, 2021, 08:09:14 AM
Quote from: Shingles on February 07, 2021, 01:44:16 AM
https://youtu.be/Ik7kitmrk8k

Interesting foot controller!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Shingles on February 08, 2021, 11:17:54 AM
Quote from: Shingles on February 07, 2021, 01:44:16 AM
https://youtu.be/Ik7kitmrk8k

Maybe I should be clear.

That's not me.

Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on February 08, 2021, 10:05:06 PM
Quote from: Shingles on February 08, 2021, 11:17:54 AM
Maybe I should be clear.

That's not me.

Got you.  :o
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Psalm 150 on June 16, 2021, 10:50:32 AM
Looks like "MIDI Guitar 3" may be just around the corner...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvhaCIUJh3I
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Psalm 150 on June 17, 2021, 11:18:39 AM
On their timeline...
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7530.0;attach=22814;image)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Psalm 150 on June 22, 2021, 02:17:28 PM
More info on MIDI Guitar 3 and Guitar MODS at:
https://www.jamorigin.com/roadmap/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on August 28, 2021, 11:35:14 AM
https://youtu.be/BXQzKjZ4UyY
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on August 28, 2021, 08:19:44 PM
https://youtu.be/pgo2pKL2m_A

https://youtu.be/wvoJO6cl5yc
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Dudukman on September 02, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
The software is cool so far but as soon as you need to contact the support for trouble shooting, they don't reply. I wrote my third message to them today. Let's see if they answer...
A piece of software withut support in case of trouble is not worth buying it. I will keep you updated.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Chumly on September 02, 2021, 03:33:58 PM
The software works great, it's really easy to use, and if you have issues, your best bet is to chat on https://forum.audiob.us/  Problem solved if using iOS especially if the synths are apps on the same iPad, and even if using Windows / Mac the Audiobus forum is very supportive.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on September 02, 2021, 03:56:42 PM
Quote from: Dudukman on September 02, 2021, 12:58:39 PM
The software is cool so far but as soon as you need to contact the support for trouble shooting, they don't reply. I wrote my third message to them today. Let's see if they answer...
A piece of software withut support in case of trouble is not worth buying it. I will keep you updated.

Try their forum. I'm a regular there and see questions answered daily by the developer and advanced users.

https://jamosapien.com/ (https://jamosapien.com/)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Chumly on September 02, 2021, 04:07:04 PM
Excellent point, and if Dudukman needs an app that's most assuredly going to inflict raised eyebrows syndrome, I urge him to purchase BeatCutter https://apps.apple.com/us/app/beatcutter/id1536114453  for a measly $10
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: thebrushwithin on September 11, 2021, 09:42:47 PM
 https://youtu.be/1k5JS_awWuk (https://youtu.be/1k5JS_awWuk)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Chumly on September 12, 2021, 11:30:32 AM
Yipes!   https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/probability-pack/
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: CodeSmart on September 12, 2021, 03:31:35 PM
Why do I still want them to put this great code in a self-contained PEDAL?
Just wondering...
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Chumly on September 12, 2021, 05:26:49 PM
Like many here, I have been a guitar synth hardware user for decades starting with the Casio PG380 and the Roland GR33.  I still have a plethora of hardware-based gear inclusive of Roland VG-99, Boss SY-1000, Godin Session Custom Tripleplay Guitar, Brian Moore iGuitar2.13, etc.

As much as I love all that hardware, I must admit that once I viewed LoFiLeif using MIDI Guitar 2 plus an MRTAudio Midi Breath Controller plus SWAM I realized that an all-software approach has reached the point where it is superior to my hardware in a number of ways.  Not in all ways of course, the major one being discrete hexaphonic pitch detection / audio processing.

Notwithstanding what MIDI Guitar 3 might be able to do, but that of course remains to be seen...err...heard.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on September 13, 2021, 07:28:55 AM
Quote from: Chumly on September 12, 2021, 11:30:32 AM
Yipes!   https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/probability-pack/

I completely missed this. As a 'old' Ableton Live user I should have known.
I have to experiment with it. ;D
Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on September 13, 2021, 07:37:20 AM
Along the years I had to learn to keep my expectations about new technology under control, especially when I am excited by it. In this case, what's shown in the video is great, but I have to be clear with myself... it requires skills I do not have at the moment. I am an owner of MG2 and I use it with fun and good results. However, I am not sure I will be using it at full capacity (I lack the breath controller and the skills). In any case that's a great technology and at least for soloing is superb. I also use it for Pads and Arpeggiators and it works as it should for me.   ;D
I can't wait for MG3 to be available. The Deep Expressor evolution looks promising.  8)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: BROCKSTAR on October 07, 2021, 10:54:58 AM
Quote from: CodeSmart on September 12, 2021, 03:31:35 PM
Why do I still want them to put this great code in a self-contained PEDAL?
Just wondering...

I want that too! However still having fun with MG2 and can't wait for MG3!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on November 20, 2021, 11:35:28 AM
https://youtu.be/HK8FTXYcJnA
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: philjynx on November 20, 2021, 02:49:49 PM
Sounds good, but we see a lot of (I don't know, do you call it vibrato?) 'wobbly bending' of single strings where he is sustaining the last note of a lot of phrases, but I'm not hearing any pitch change - any apparent response at all in fact (a bit like when you're playing, say piano - set to chromatic on a GR55 and you don't pass the semitone threshold so there's no change in pitch - thankfully). Am I old and deaf, or is JO not responding to that aspect of his playing?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on November 20, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
I almost find that video a little dubious, with the sustained note string bends which should have either triggered note bend, or glitched up a half step.
The lack of setup information on the Youtube page, and with the comments switched off, so no one can ask about the setup.

I could be wrong, just my opinion, I have never have MIDi2 track like that for me.
To me it sounds more like the guitar is playing through a Boss SY or equivalent synth.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 20, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
Quote from: philjynx on November 20, 2021, 02:49:49 PM
Sounds good, but we see a lot of (I don't know, do you call it vibrato?) 'wobbly bending' of single strings where he is sustaining the last note of a lot of phrases, but I'm not hearing any pitch change - any apparent response at all in fact (a bit like when you're playing, say piano - set to chromatic on a GR55 and you don't pass the semitone threshold so there's no change in pitch - thankfully). Am I old and deaf, or is JO not responding to that aspect of his playing?
Its exactly that, it has the bend disabled, its a parameter avalilable in MG2.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 20, 2021, 05:10:07 PM
Quote from: gumtown on November 20, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
I almost find that video a little dubious, with the sustained note string bends which should have either triggered note bend, or glitched up a half step.
The lack of setup information on the Youtube page, and with the comments switched off, so no one can ask about the setup.

I could be wrong, just my opinion, I have never have MIDi2 track like that for me.
To me it sounds more like the guitar is playing through a Boss SY or equivalent synth.
Kreisberg is a very reputed guitar player in the jazz scene, one of the best of the recent guitar player generations, I doubt very much he will do a fake video saying its MG2 and being another thing.
Also, although the playing is stelar, it does not surprise me that MG2 is capable of work like that. I can achieve that fast an musical response.
On the other side, sadly any of the Boss Sy devices is not able to make that amazing type of sound IMO.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: LoFiLeif on November 23, 2021, 01:43:46 AM
My two cents on the discussion that has been around for a while, having taken place at a few different guitar and MIDI guitar forums. It is something that I've seen the subject of using hex pickups to send on six separate audio channels (one per string)  monophonically tracked by six instances of MIDI Guitar 2, only to be merged into a single MIDI stream fed to an instrument in a DAW in the end. It has always felt like too much of a workaround for me, but I must admit I may have been wrong.

https://youtu.be/pYsS1uzQNak (https://youtu.be/pYsS1uzQNak)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: philjynx on November 23, 2021, 02:20:08 AM
Quote from: LoFiLeif on November 23, 2021, 01:43:46 AM
My two cents on the discussion that has been around for a while, having taken place at a few different guitar and MIDI guitar forums. It is something that I've seen the subject of using hex pickups to send on six separate audio channels (one per string)  monophonically tracked by six instances of MIDI Guitar 2, only to be merged into a single MIDI stream fed to an instrument in a DAW in the end. It has always felt like too much of a workaround for me, but I must admit I may have been wrong.



There is a GR 55000 then, you just have to build it yourself! That setup sounds excellent, could have done with some other instruments and also some different instruments assigned to different strings. I imagine (subject to your PC having enough oomph) you're not limited to just six instances either.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: alexmcginness on November 23, 2021, 05:04:43 AM
LoFiLeif that is amazing and something Im gonna try. Ive always been frustrated with glitches with all my midi guitar stuff. This may be just the thing. Thanks.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: pasha811 on November 23, 2021, 06:04:33 AM
Very good indeed. I can't wait to try it.

The only thing that makes me sad in all this is that Roland stubbornly refuses to provide us with USB Drivers for new Apple Silicon Macs. We have Gumtown GP-10-Edit which runs under Rosetta.
So only an SY-1000 can provide such capabilities in an Apple Silicon World.

To me Jam Origin worked good so far but all depends on the VST Plugin. For example when using Ableton Native Instruments I got a bag of different results. When I use Zebra is way better and when I use VG99-MIDI-Direct to Roland JV1010 the best experience, always using the same guitar for comparison. In any case Jam Origin has become a permanent plugin in my Ableton Live Template.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Nobulusprime on November 23, 2021, 10:09:35 AM
I've tried this on one instrument (on one channel strip) in Logic and 6 instances of Midi Guitar 2 on 6 audio channel strips and it works quite well - I haven't tried it with one instrument per strip - that seems a like a lot of work for one patch and quite power hungry too. FTP connect is so much easier for chords.

I do think that Midi Guitar 2 is still the best for single note lines with bends and legato, a bit better than the FTP and loads better than Roland/Boss.

It's time for Roland/Boss pulled their finger out with pitch to midi or don't bother with it at all as they are being left behind. If I were them I'd be reaching out to Midi Guitar 2 folks looking to collaborate on a super-fast hardware version of Midi Guitar 2.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: jassy on November 23, 2021, 12:20:22 PM
JamOrigin is planning to add the capability of process 6 input signals from GP10/SY1000/others inside one single instance of the next Midiguitar3
That would be amazing and would simplify enormously the setup of this type of processing and alleviate the cpu penalty.

Source: https://jamosapien.com/t/hexaphonic-version/2993/6
Quote
With the Boss GP10 or SY1000 you can have the separate 6 string signal via USB in the computer.

JamO
Jun 8
This would be simple enough for us to build. I wasn't aware of any decent hex-pickup-to-USB hardware, but...

JamO
Jun 8
Ok, I see. This should be easy enough. We'll add a "6-string-mono-tracking-mode", sometime after the upcoming releases, if nothing else then for benchmarking the polytrackers
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Nobulusprime on November 23, 2021, 01:08:58 PM
Quote from: jassy on November 23, 2021, 12:20:22 PM
JamOrigin is planning to add the capability of process 6 input signals from GP10/SY1000/others inside one single instance of the next Midiguitar3
That would be amazing and would simplify enormously the setup of this type of processing and alleviate the cpu penalty.

Source: https://jamosapien.com/t/hexaphonic-version/2993/6

That's great I wonder when Midi Guitar 3 will come out? It says 2021 on their website so hopefully not too long!
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: billbax on November 23, 2021, 01:57:39 PM
Umm, my £80.00GBP GK mini breakout cable is getting all excited :D  And you don't need a breakout box!

(https://separate-strings.co.uk/Cableidss.jpg)

(https://separate-strings.co.uk/dawinputs.gif)

Thanks, Bill

https://separate-strings.co.uk/breakout%20cables%20and%20more.html (https://separate-strings.co.uk/breakout%20cables%20and%20more.html)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: LoFiLeif on December 31, 2021, 09:59:52 AM
Summing up the MIDI Guitar 2 Project for 2021 - Best Software, plugins, and more
https://youtu.be/yLBtNflSrr0 (https://youtu.be/yLBtNflSrr0)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: billbax on December 31, 2021, 01:23:21 PM
Probably one of the best music chops and gear demos to date here at the forum.  The forum needs more of this advanced level of musicianship and commitment.
Sadly, I see only two people have put a 'like', including me. Can someone please explain why?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: mooncaine on December 31, 2021, 10:37:16 PM
For me, it's because it's a video, and I am seldom in a place where I can listen to videos. I'd like to read. Had there been something to read, I would have gladly done so.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Vaultnaemsae on January 01, 2022, 08:39:28 PM
Plenty of likes on YouTube. He's having some fun with it all and doing some cool stuff.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on April 07, 2022, 02:48:23 PM
I got a little bit excited to try Midi Bass 2, and installed the trial, but was deflated to find it still at version 1 and monophonic only.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: gumtown on April 07, 2022, 03:08:25 PM
I guess the statement "Road map for 2021" could be looked at as either the start of the map, or the destination.

Either way, I am hoping for new and exciting things to come, sooner the better.  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: LoFiLeif on April 07, 2022, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: gumtown on April 07, 2022, 02:48:23 PM
I got a little bit excited to try Midi Bass 2, and installed the trial, but was deflated to find it still at version 1 and monophonic only.

Yeah, I've seen people  referring to MIDI Bass 2 sometimes at the Forum, but I think that is a mistake on their part. That update will most likely follow from the MG3 tracker update, so nothing has been released yet, unfortunately.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Aengelantir on February 11, 2023, 12:59:25 AM
Quote from: billbax on November 23, 2021, 01:57:39 PMUmm, my £80.00GBP GK mini breakout cable is getting all excited :D  And you don't need a breakout box!

(https://separate-strings.co.uk/Cableidss.jpg)

(https://separate-strings.co.uk/dawinputs.gif)

Thanks, Bill

https://separate-strings.co.uk/breakout%20cables%20and%20more.html (https://separate-strings.co.uk/breakout%20cables%20and%20more.html)

But then I would need to buy a 8 channnel audio interface?
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: admin on February 11, 2023, 09:07:51 AM
Quote from: Aengelantir on February 11, 2023, 12:59:25 AMBut then I would need to buy a 8 channnel audio interface?

True - for GR-55, VG-99 , VG-8, VG-88

Only the Boss GP-10 and Boss SY-1000 provide built in  8 in / 8 out USB Audio for processing strings on  separate USB Audio I/O channels
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: billbax on February 11, 2023, 04:13:46 PM
QuoteBut then I would need to buy a 8 channnel audio interface?

I would imagine at least 1/3 of forum members have an eight input daw interface.

As admin says,
QuoteOnly the Boss GP-10 and Boss SY-1000 provide built in  8 in / 8 out USB Audio for processing strings on  separate USB Audio I/O channels.

Agree and great for basic re-amping, but if you are into high-end audio, analog GK separate strings win hands down with much improved audio detail. The main downside with usb separate strings is breaking out of digital, into analog real-world cable access with minimum latency.

Best usb GP10 minimum harmonic distortion is around 0.01%THD, while analog DAW interface GK3 separate string signals are around 0.004%THD.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: atomheart411 on September 05, 2023, 06:14:30 PM
I'm wondering what's been the experience anyone has had trying MG2 into Logic Pro on iPad? I'm hearing mixed sort of results and would really love to hear some positive out comes so I can give Apple several hundreds of dollars to upgrade my iPad.  :P
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on March 01, 2024, 07:59:42 AM
https://vimeo.com/915205628 (https://vimeo.com/915205628)
https://vimeo.com/915205628
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on March 01, 2024, 08:25:57 AM
MIDI Guitar, as software for using your regular guitar as a MIDI controller, benefits greatly from the addition of the MPE implementation to its output. It allows for stuff we could never do with the previous version of the software. And more than that stuff we could never do with a regular MIDI keyboard.

In this video, I will be showcasing the specific pitch-to-note relation that is part of the MPE protocol. The idea is that MIDI Polyphonic Expression (MPE)  ties a lot more types of messages to the respective notes as they are sent out. Aftertouch, pitch bend, strike, and even stuff like CC74 (traditionally Brightness, and in MPE often appear as SLIDE) are now part of the MIDI Guitar output as well.
I am only looking at the advantage of the improved pitch-to-note relation here, and I am doing so using a slide for demonstrative purposes. I wish I could play with a slide, which I can't. But I can nevertheless see great value here, for any slide or steel guitar players that have been put on the sidelines, with this move to MPE.

I can only offer these insights from the position of being part of the ongoing evaluation of the software. I can't however give you any dates for the release of MG3, or anything like that at this point. I just want to show you guys the progress made, and hope you understand.

0:00 Introduction
1:18 Well-written instruments
1:40 What features are we looking for? Bending, sliding, shimmering?
2:55 Three virtual instruments that work
3:13 Surge XT with Roger Linn MPE presets
4:00 Roli's Equator 2
6:07 Modartt Pianoteq Classical Guitar (slightly modified)
7:25 Faux MPE - 4 channel GR-300 Kontakt patch
8:45 The argument for MPE - using guitar-like gestures
10:36 Outro

Stuff used:
MIDI Guitar (in-progress-version software from JamOrigin) NOT PUBLIC
https://www.jamorigin.com

BBC2 Breath controller from TEControl
https://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb...


Software Instruments from:

Surge XT
https://surge-synthesizer.github.io

Acousticsamples
https://www.acousticsamples.net

Audio Modeling
https://www.audiomodeling.com

Modartt Pianoteq 8
https://www.modartt.com



Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: d. on March 07, 2024, 09:13:32 AM
Hi,
do you know the guitar in the video?

X d.
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Brent Flash on March 07, 2024, 09:47:21 AM
Welcome to the group d.!  :)
Title: Re: JamOrigin - MIDI Guitar = Polyphonic Guitar to MIDI Software
Post by: Elantric on March 07, 2024, 12:28:01 PM
Quote from: d. on March 07, 2024, 09:13:32 AMHi,
do you know the guitar in the video?

X d.

Keisel Allan Holdsworth

https://www.kieselguitars.com/series/guitar/allan-holdsworth-signature