QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller

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Elantric

#100
Quote from: cags12 on August 16, 2017, 11:08:50 AM
Thank you Elantric - Are you certain about this?  AFAIK the Widi-Bud also adds driver-less MIDI over Bluetooth support to any USB compliant host. That BLE stick I believe is the bare bones of Bluetooth LE and do not provide MIDI over BLE support. The whole reason why other devices (android, windows) took longer to catch up with apple. Or am I missing something here?

QuoteAFAIK the Widi-Bud also adds driver-less MIDI over Bluetooth support to any USB compliant host.


That remains to be seen ( I have no experience with it )

You might be right ;)

Worth reading for a list of Wireless MIDI compatible BLE USB Dongles 
http://www.voxamps.com/uploads/SupportPage_Downloads/BluetoothMIDI_Q_A_en.pdf

http://www.voxamps.com/uploads/SupportPage_Downloads/VOX_BT_Driver_E1.pdf


http://www.cme-pro.com/forum-index/topic/does-the-widi-bud-work-with-other-bluetooth-midi-devices/
According to CME Support, the WIDI BUD  supports "MIDI BLE" only - no Audio BLE or file sharing over BLE 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Low_Energy

the WIDI BUD  main purpose is to support wireless connections for the CME XKey Air wireless MIDI keyboard on Windows
http://www.cme-pro.com/forum-index/



https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1245249-REG/cme_widi_bud_bluetooth.html
The WIDI BUD from CME is a convenient and reliable way to connect the company's Xkey Air Bluetooth MIDI keyboard to a Mac-, Windows-, or Linux-based computer, or iOS-, Android- and Chrome-based devices. The low-energy Bluetooth adapter is USB 2.0 and 3.0 compliant, does not require additional drivers to function, and utilizes "minimized latency" Bluetooth technology to eliminate time lag.
Automatic pairing with Xkey Air keyboards
Reduces Bluetooth latency
Optimized for MIDI connectivity
Plug and play
Bluetooth 4.0 is written into the WIDI BUD firmware, especially useful for older computers that don't support the latest capability
Dongle connects with all other Bluetooth MIDI devices, including the Korg microKEY Air, nanoKEY studio, Jamstik+, Yamaha MD-BT01/UD-BT-01, Roland A-01, etc.
Connect multiple WIDI BUDs




cags12

Quote from: Elantric on April 09, 2016, 07:54:27 AM

You have identified the issue

Quiccosound mi.1. works with ATG-1 floor unit

However the AT-200 or ATG Internal kit will require a modification to supply more current to the mi.1
Here are the AT200 / ATG Internal Luthier 8 pin DIN signals



ATG DIN 8 Pinout
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ATG DIN Pin1  = MIDI OUT+
ATG DIN Pin2  = GROUND
ATG DIN Pin3  = MIDI OUT-
ATG DIN Pin4  = MIDI IN+
ATG DIN Pin5  = MIDI IN-
ATG DIN Pin6  = Input for External Voltage (+9VDC)
ATG DIN Pin7  = Input for External Voltage Ground Reference
ATG DIN Pin8  = spare( not connected)

Observe Pin #8 is a spare (N.C)

The "hack" involves a modification to the MIDI OUT+ to the mi.1, to supply +5VDC with sufficient current for the mi.1

Now examine the typical MIDI Hardware Interface below (that has existed essentially unchanged for 30 years)


The mi.1 gets it power from pin # 4 (MIDI OUT+) of the typical 5 pin DIN MIDI Output from the connected device.

Observe the 220 ohm resistor on the lower right which is connected to +5VDC

This is the area where the internal ATG kit required a modification to supply +5VDC to the mi.1


Review the ATG FAQ
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=16061.0

The AT200 / ATG Internal kit relies upon an external box to convert the ATG 8 pin DIN to 5pin DIN MIDI  I/O


http://stagecue.com/at200b.html

This shows the AT200-B box circuit - ( yes its confusing due to the indicated IK iRigMIDI integration  - try to ignore that as its not needed for our purpose) 


Solution is obtain a new source for delivering +5VDC with sufficient current for the mi.1

It's not plug & play- requires hacking


Here is a custom adapter for debugging









Solution to this issue with no Major Hack:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21951.msg158326#msg158326

admin

Excellent!!!

Thanks for troubleshooting this and providing the solution!

Elantric

#103


This flexible Bluetooth module with its accompanying iPad app really caught my attention on the Tokyo Festival of Modular 2017. It can do CV, gate and LFO, all controlled and sequenced from the iPad app.

More about the Mi.1e will be available shortly on Quicco Sound's web page: http://quicco.co.jp/products/

More about Tokyo Festival of Modular:
https://www.facebook.com/TokyoModular...

Elantric


Elantric


admin

#106


http://quicco.co.jp/products/

Supplementary information regarding musictrack review video
1. Connecting the Yamaha Reface and Roland JX-03
It may appear that the two instruments are connected to each other directly, however, please note that the mi.1 does not support direct wireless connection between MIDI equipment.

In order to achieve this setup, the mi.1 devices connected to the Yamaha and Roland are actually being routed via the iPad using the MIDI Bridge iOS app.

2. MIDI settings in the Animoog app
Before selecting the mi.1 in the Animoog MIDI settings, it's necessary to connect/pair the mi.1 as a Bluetooth MIDI device beforehand. This can achieved in the iOS Bluetooth settings, or in an app such as Piano Jukebox.

3. The external mi.1 power supply used for connecting to the volca beats
The mi.1 draws power from an instrument's MIDI OUT connector, however some equipment – such as the volca beats – only features a MIDI IN connector, preventing the use of the mi.1.
We have developed an external power supply board that can be used to overcome this limitation. A circuit diagram of the power supply board can be downladed here, and we're planning to make a kit available for purchase (¥1,500 JPY) in the near future.



http://quicco.co.jp/MIDI_EX-P_sch.pdf

4. MIDI sync with the volca beats
The current versions of the mi.1 firmware (v2.2.1/v3.2.1) filters MIDI clock (F8) messages by default (i.e. MIDI clock will not be transmitted/received)
In order to allow tempo syncing, please send the following SysEx message to disable the MIDI clock filter:

F0 00 02 08 10 55 01 00 00 F7 (MIDI clock will be transmitted/received)

To re-enable the MIDI clock filter, and return to default settings, please send the following SysEx message:
F0 00 02 08 10 55 01 00 01 F7 (MIDI clock will not be transmitted/received)


http://quicco.co.jp/faq/

mi.1
Can the mi.1 be used with equipment that only features a MIDI IN connector??
No, the mi.1 will not function correctly due to a lack of power.

Can the mi.1 be used with equipment that only features a MIDI OUT connector?
When connected to the MIDI OUT connector, if the mi.1's LED flashes, the device will work.

Can the mi.1 be used with equipment featuring MIDI connectors that operate at 3.3V?
Yes, the mi.1 can operate at 3.3V

Can mi.1 devices be connected to each other, for example to facilitate wireless MIDI between two instruments?
No, connecting mi.1 devices to each other directly is currently not supported.
However, it is possible to achieve wireless MIDI between two instruments by using mi.1 devices connected to the same iPhone/iPad, then bypassing the MIDI signal using a MIDI Bridge app.


However, such a connection may not be suitable for real-time performance due to the increased latency.

What is the maximum connection range (distance) supported by the mi.1?
The maximum distance is difficult to specify categorically, as connection stability/reliability is heavily influenced by radio wave conditions and obstacles.
However, it is recommended that equipment connected to the mi.1 be placed within a range of 10 meters. In areas with good radio wave conditions, it may be possible to use the mi.1 at greater distances, however communication data errors will likely increase, and latency will become more noticeable.

When using multiple mi.1 devices, it is possible to change the name of individual devices for easier recognition?
Yes, the mi.1 device name can be changed via the following SysEx message:

F0 00 02 08 10 55 00 01 nn nn nn nn nn nn nn nn 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 F7
nn=Ascii Character
The length of the name is limited to 8 characters.

For example, in the case of "ABCDE", the SysEx message would be:
F0 00 02 08 10 55 00 01 40 41 43 44 45 20 20 2020 20 20 20 20 20 20 20 F7

How can I check the firmware version of the mi.1?
The mi.1 firmware can be checked in the Piano Jukebox app, and will be shown when selecting the Firmware Update function.
However, in the case of earlier mi.1 versions that may not support this app, the firmware version can be checked by using a commercially available Bluetooth LE tool.
The following video demonstrates how to check the mi.1 firmware version using the free Bluefruit app:


Check what version of mi.1 by using Bluefruit from QUICCO SOUND on Vimeo.

Is the mi.1 guaranteed to function with any device featuring MIDI connectors?
The mi.1 is developed to function correctly with equipment that conforms to the MIDI Specification 1.0 circuit standard. However, equipment that utilises its own MIDI circuit design may not function correctly with the mi.1.
A list of known compatible/incompatible devices is available from the following URL:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mYRWBT_WT1BX2bG30O6WJ7EzYZyRlLVrkLB3zK27Dl0/edit?usp=sharing

Is it possible to use the mi.1 with (incompatible) equipment that does not produce a power supply from the MIDI connectors?
If the equipment does not produce a power supply from the MIDI connectors, it may still be possible to use the mi.1 by utilising a commercially available MIDI routing box. However in this case an additional power supply will be required.

Alternatively, customers who are familiar with electrical work may wish to create an external circuit to power the mi.1. Please contact support@quicco.co.jp to receive a circuit diagram and instructions for this modification.

What are differences between Rev.2 and Rev.3?
Rev.3 increases the maximum Bluetooth throughput (transfer rate) by approximately 3 times compared to Rev.2. This allows large amounts of MIDI control and SysEx data to be sent and received with greater stability. In addition, latency when playing chords has also been improved.

mi.1 connect app
I purchased an early mi.1 via the IndieGoGo campaign - how can I update the firmware to the latest version?
If the early mi.1 device is running the V1.0.x firmware, it can be updated to V2 using the mi.1 connect app. After updating to the V2 firmware, please use the Piano Jukebox app to update to the latest version.

The following video demonstrates how to update to the V2 firmware using the mi.1 connect app:


Firmware update of mi.1 from QUICCO SOUND on Vimeo.

iPhone/iPad
Will the mi.1 function automatically after launching the MIDI app?
Many MIDI apps will connect to the mi.1 automatically after launching. However depending on the app, it may be necessary to manually select the mi.1 in the apps' MIDI settings.

Does Bluetooth MIDI have a big latency/delay compared to wired MIDI?
For some individuals, Bluetooth MIDI does not add significant latency, however others may find the delay to be more noticeable.

According to internal benchmarks, the difference between a wired MIDI connection and the mi.1's Bluetooth MIDI connection is 8.4 ms.
(Average value of test performed 100 times using Yamaha UX-16 MIDI interface connected via Lightning to USB Camera Adaptor.)

How many mi.1 devices can be paired to a single iPad simultaneously?
Quiccosound has successfully paired 4 mi.1 devices to a single iPad simultaneously. When attempting to pair 5 (or more) mi.1 devices, simultaneously connection is lost.
(This information will be updated upon receiving confirmation from Apple.)

Is it necessary to pair the mi.1 with the iPhone/iPad every time?
According to the current iOS and mi.1 specification, if the Bluetooth connection is broken, it is necessary to manually pair the devices from the Bluetooth MIDI device screen.

MAC
How can I check if my Mac supports Bluetooth 4.0?
To check if a Mac's hardware supports the Bluetooth 4.0 standard:
Open the Audio MIDI Setup, then double click the Bluetooth icon in the MIDI Studio. If the device list appears, Bluetooth 4.0 is supported.If the device list does not appear and the mi.1 is incompatible, a "MIDI over Bluetooth is not supported" pop-up will appear.

Is it possible to use the mi.1 with an older Mac that does not support Bluetooth 4.0?
For older Macs, Bluetooth 4.0 support can be added by attaching a commercially available USB Bluetooth adaptor. In addition, Mac OS 10.10 (Yosemite) is also required for MIDI over Bluetooth LE functionality.

Other
Is it possible to use the mi.1 on Windows PCs?
No, the Windows OS does not support Bluetooth MIDI and therefore cannot communicate with the mi.1.

Is it possible to use the Korg BLE-MIDI driver to use the mi.1 on Windows PCs?
Under the current Windows specification, it is not possible to pair with the mi.1.

Is it possible to use the mi.1 with Android devices?
While MIDI over Bluetooth LE support has been implemented in Android 6.0 (Marshmallow), Quiccosound has not checked the mi.1. Android is therefore currently unsupported.


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DLC86

Quicco Sound is at NAMM with its new "mi.1 pro"

Does anyone know what's new in this pro version?


DLC86

Quote from: DLC86 on January 26, 2019, 02:15:35 AM
Quicco Sound is at NAMM with its new "mi.1 pro"

Does anyone know what's new in this pro version?


I asked them about this on their Facebook page and they said that the pro version allows to connect directly to another mi.1 pro without the need of a host device.
That's awesome, exactly what I was hoping for!

See comments here:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1002879353246048&id=204365229764135

admin

#110


Quiccosound was showing the new mi.1 Pro which supports ad hoc connection to another mi.1 pro " providing peer to peer wireless 5 pin to 5 pin MIDI connection

Shipping summer 2019

cags12

Elantric, did you hear about any price indication?

admin

Quote from: cags12 on January 29, 2019, 02:45:04 PM
Elantric, did you hear about any price indication?

None

yet -shocked it will not be available until summer 2019 at the earliest

cags12

Quote from: admin on October 17, 2018, 12:24:19 PM

http://quicco.co.jp/MIDI_EX-P_sch.pdf



Anyone understands the purpose of the 1K resistor and the transistor in this diagram.
Considering this is just an adapter to give external 5V power, why the UART Tx line also goes through extra circuitry?

admin

Quote from: cags12 on September 04, 2019, 11:12:23 AM


Anyone understands the purpose of the 1K resistor and the transistor in this diagram.
Considering this is just an adapter to give external 5V power, why the UART Tx line also goes through extra circuitry?

Q1, R2, R3 are providing more current drive ( essentially this acts as an Active MIDI Thru box) to feed the MIDI Input on the Quiccosound mi.1 wireless MIDI Interface 

some Music gear's MIDI Output signal lacks sufficient drive current to work with the MIDI Input on the Quiccosound mi.1 wireless MIDI Interface   

cags12

Quote from: admin on September 04, 2019, 11:39:30 AM
Q1, R2, R3 are providing more current drive ( essentially this acts as an Active MIDI Thru box) to feed the MIDI Input on the Quiccosound mi.1 wireless MIDI Interface 

some Music gear's MIDI Output signal lacks sufficient drive current to work with the MIDI Input on the Quiccosound mi.1 wireless MIDI Interface   

Thanks Elantric, the reason I am asking is because I have aquired the mi.1 Kit version (PCB only) so I can miniaturize the MIDI BLE interface in my ATG guitar; and the instructions indicate to connect a 1K resistor in series in the UART Tx of the mi.1/UART Rx of ATG. I am not sure if this is really needed as the regular retail version of the mi.1 does not seem to have such resistor (or even in the MIDI spec).
I have asked now QuiccoSound and I am awaiting reply.

admin

#116
the posted schematic has been around for a couple years - it was to address the lack of compatibility of the m1.1 with some third party gear MIDI Outputs 

http://quicco.co.jp/MIDI_EX-P_sch.pdf


DLC86

Quote from: cags12 on September 04, 2019, 12:20:50 PM
I have aquired the mi.1 Kit version (PCB only)
Does such a thing really exist??
Where did you buy it from?


admin

#119
Quote from: DLC86 on January 26, 2019, 02:15:35 AM
Quicco Sound is at NAMM with its new "mi.1 pro"

Does anyone know what's new in this pro version?



Its their equivalent to the CME WIDI Master

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QuiccoSound mi.1 Cable is the world's first wireless MIDI adapter that can be used in place of a MIDI cable.
Since it will be shipped after pairing, no complicated settings are required.
Bidirectional MIDI communication between IN and OUT can be performed simply by inserting it in the MIDI terminal.



Features
・Low latency (delay)
 Due to the faster communication cycle, MIDI communication is performed with a low latency of only 5 ms (*1).
 A latency of 5ms is equivalent to a delay of talking about 1.7 meters away.

 *1 Of which, Bluetooth delay is about 4ms

・ Accurate timing
 Data is transmitted with a time stamp (time) for each MIDI event, and the receiver side corrects the timing to ensure accurate jitter transfer with 1ms or less. It is possible.
It can also be used for MIDI sequencer playback, which was difficult with Bluetooth MIDI.
 (If you use it with emphasis on timing, there will be a delay of 50 ms.)

・No power supply 
 . It requires no power because it operates with a little power of the MIDI connector of the instrument.

・No setup required
 Since it is shipped with pairing, you do not need to make any settings before use, just plug it into the MIDI terminal and you're ready to use.

Connection direction
mi.1 Cable has two connection methods according to the usage.



1. Latency-focused When
 you want to minimize the latency in real-time performance on a keyboard etc.
 MIDI is transmitted and received with a low latency of 5 ms on average.



2. Timing-oriented When
 you want to minimize the timing deviation when playing a sequencer, etc. Jitter will perform with accurate timing within ±1 ms.



Example of connection



mi.1 Cable does not work
Depending on the MIDI device, the mi.1 Cable may not work because it differs from the recommended circuit of MIDI standard 1.0. Please check the "mi.1 Incompatible MIDI Device List" below before purchasing.