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Author Topic: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI  (Read 175085 times)

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Tracy

Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #475 on: February 01, 2013, 04:02:07 PM »

Wow, very cool. I went to MacWorld last year. Wish I had gone this year now. Fishman is likely to come out of MacWorld with some great press!
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #476 on: February 01, 2013, 04:04:48 PM »

I'm waiting for a session by David Mash (Berklee College of Music) to kick off that is titled The Macintosh for Guitarists. He's using a TriplePlay as part of this session.

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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #477 on: February 01, 2013, 04:09:17 PM »

I'm waiting for a session by David Mash (Berklee College of Music) to kick off that is titled The Macintosh for Guitarists. He's using a TriplePlay as part of this session.

Awesome Pete! Looking forward to your coverage of the event.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #478 on: February 01, 2013, 04:11:37 PM »

He just played a piece using the midi in backed by tracks in Logic. Here's a shot of the interface with input from the guitar coming to it.

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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #479 on: February 01, 2013, 05:06:01 PM »

The session just ended. David Mash (long time Roland user) is completely sold on the TriplPlay. Robert Godin was in the audience. Also completely sold on the TriplPlay. Godin Guitars will be moving over to using the Fishman rolling out new models in April (nylon string) and May (jazz?).

Just a couple of bullet points.

Robert said that at NAMM their was no signal loss with a guitarist 200 ft away from the USB receiver.
Battery life is about one week and battery is USB rechargeable
Can create splits and layers so that different sounds sound in different parts of fretboard.
Can set up up to four different synths
I saw David play a couple of times this week at MacWorld and he used the Fishman each time with no issues (at least with that gear)

The presentation can be found here: http://mashine.com/Mashine/Presentations.html
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #480 on: February 01, 2013, 05:11:22 PM »

So, was there any indication of Godin abandoning RMC and the 13pin world?
OMG, I hope not as I am very happy with my RMC equipped Godin guitars and anticipate getting some other models of their SA series.
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« Reply #481 on: February 01, 2013, 05:16:07 PM »

Don't know if they are abandoning the 13 pin output, but they are definitely jazzed about the Fishman.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #482 on: February 01, 2013, 05:16:30 PM »

I met David Mash (of Berklee) at the Godin Booth last Sunday. 

http://www.berkleemusic.com/school/faculty-member?person_id=13944

After several months of use, Mr Mash indicated to me that the FTP is the best Guitar to MIDI Interface he has ever used. i trust his judgement.

Remember i had zero ability to make accurate Latency measurements,  when i say "40 milliseconds", its merely a guess.

Ive been wrong before, and we will not know the true latency until the FTP ships and gets into the hands of someone who can perform a full performance test. 

Also i will add, the FTP test demo I tried was using a Presonus AudioBox USB Audio Interface

EDIT - In Hindsight, the latency I experienced with the NAMM Demo TriplePlay  was no doubt was a result of a conservative buffer setting of the Presonus CoreAudio Driver

I suspect this time next year, every student of Guitar at Berklee, and Musicians Institute in LA will own a Fishman TriplePlay, as part of their 2014 curriculum.


Rather like some schools now require iPads.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #483 on: February 01, 2013, 05:21:15 PM »

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So, was there any indication of Godin abandoning RMC and the 13pin world?

Not in the least! - The full lineup of RMC Piezo 13 pin equipped guitar models were all present and accounted for.

In fact Since Godin remains RMC's principal customer, Richard McClish ( the owner of RMC) has temporarily relocated from California to spend an extended stay in Montreal Canada to assist in tightening the quality control of the integration of RMC electronics in the top Godin "SA" (Synth Access) Models.   

Too high a percentage of Godins with RMCs shipped with swapped  / mis wired saddles. or Solder shorted "dead" piezo saddles.

As some know I recently purchased a pair of Godin xTSA's from Amazon during their holiday deals ($560 each) and one of then had a dead G string right out of the box. Luckily I know my way around those electronics and after making a  5 minute re-soldering repair, it was good as new. 
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Tracy

Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #484 on: February 01, 2013, 05:22:16 PM »

...I suspect this time next year, every student of Guitar at Berklee, and Musicians Institute in LA will own a Fisman TriplePlay, as part of their curriculum.

Wow, the education market is another brilliant marketing direction for Fishman to take the FTP specifically, and MIDI guitar in general. They are really going to take MIDI guitar mainstream. Good times ahead for digital guitarists.

Macworld is a great move for Fishman. The technology press will be all over this. Hitching their MIDI wagon to the iPad, and being a first of its kind on the device is a fantastic strategy for lots of free press.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #485 on: February 01, 2013, 05:38:45 PM »

Thanks Elantric,
Whew, that's encouraging cause there's still lots of life yet for the 13 pin interface.
-m
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #486 on: February 01, 2013, 05:47:43 PM »

The session just ended. David Mash (long time Roland user) is completely sold on the TriplPlay. Robert Godin was in the audience. Also completely sold on the TriplPlay. Godin Guitars will be moving over to using the Fishman rolling out new models in April (nylon string) and May (jazz?).

Just a couple of bullet points.

Robert said that at NAMM their was no signal loss with a guitarist 200 ft away from the USB receiver.
Battery life is about one week and battery is USB rechargeable
Can create splits and layers so that different sounds sound in different parts of fretboard.
Can set up up to four different synths
I saw David play a couple of times this week at MacWorld and he used the Fishman each time with no issues (at least with that gear)

The presentation can be found here: http://mashine.com/Mashine/Presentations.html

OMG I would love for a Multiac Steel with FTP. Ultimate worship guitar with a MacBook or iPad, and a small FRFR.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #487 on: February 01, 2013, 05:51:04 PM »

This is a must download for those curious about the FTP

http://mashine.com/Mashine/Presentations_files/GuitaristsMac13.pdf

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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #488 on: February 01, 2013, 06:03:01 PM »

This is a must download for those curious about the FTP

http://mashine.com/Mashine/Presentations_files/GuitaristsMac13.pdf

Awesome! Thanks for the link.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #489 on: February 01, 2013, 06:14:33 PM »

Here is a detail of the FTP Mounting method - it relies on three magnets, which are part of a "C" shaped thin adhesive backed plastic mounting bracket.



Pic of Burr with new non hair-do


RME UCX Interface in Burr's NAMM FTP demo rig

http://www.rme-audio.de/en_products_fireface_ucx.php



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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #490 on: February 01, 2013, 06:24:16 PM »

Screen shots of Burr Johnson's NAMM Demo Macbook Pro

Yes - Burr's screen is very dusty after 4 days of NAMM!

I see the following apps being employed  - These are not included in TriplePlay software bundle
MIDIPipe
OnStage
http://www.fluqe.com/newnewssoft.htm

Logic Pro








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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #491 on: February 01, 2013, 06:27:56 PM »

More pics of the Godin with Internal FTP





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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #492 on: February 01, 2013, 06:37:26 PM »

Video detailing the FTP pickup mounting.

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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #493 on: February 01, 2013, 06:47:12 PM »

Fishman TriplePlay User Interface  / Software rundown - with commentary by Andy Lewis of Fishman


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« Reply #494 on: February 01, 2013, 07:53:16 PM »

Fantastic videos, thanks. Very extensive interview, and very good video quality. (be nice to filter the cacophony, but hey!).

So the software bundle is very important to them. We pay for it, but perhaps it will help pay their bills, so i'm not going to complain....that much
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #495 on: February 01, 2013, 07:55:43 PM »

Elantirc knocks it out of the park with this detailed coverage. Many thanks!
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #496 on: February 01, 2013, 08:06:47 PM »

Your welcome!

I would have had this uploaded on Youtube earlier in the week, but I only just recovered from a bad post NAMM cold / flu
 
Feeling much better today.

EDIT - In Hindsight, the latency I experienced with the NAMM Demo TriplePlay  was no doubt was a result of a conservative buffer setting of the Presonus CoreAudio Driver
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #497 on: February 01, 2013, 08:08:36 PM »

those stick-on magnet things look ominous. But perhaps, they are safe? Curious.
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #498 on: February 01, 2013, 08:32:06 PM »

The big take away that I got from both Robert and David was that you had everything you needed to play (provided you had a guitar and a computer) when you bought the Fishman TriplePlay package. NOTHING else was required for it to work. I took that as a direct shot across the bow of Roland.

That's why Fishman spent time with the software deals. They're shipping this unit as a complete package (but one that can also be added to). I'm actually pretty impressed by what they've put together all in one box.

The second take away was the porability aspect of the rig. Take a look at David's old rig in that PDF and compare it to his new setup. It's way less cluttered and so much less to cart around.

Pete
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Re: Fishman TriplePlay Wireless Guitar to MIDI
« Reply #499 on: February 01, 2013, 09:51:14 PM »

My remarks about the processor and latency were not based on the OS based power profiling, but on the architecture of the core i7 processor and it's own internal power saving features that cannot be disabled, one of the downsides of this processor is the re-emergence of hyperthreading.. It really plays games with audio and high speed video work..
Part of my role in work is to play with high speed machine vision systems, and last year I was privileged to be a guest at one or the leaders in the industry in the USA.. Their latest ( and quite frankly mind blowing) system was given to me to play with for a week, in the company of their development engineers.. The system had a minor problem, there was the occasional glitch that they struggled to identify with timing.. It was the processor creating its virtual cores and then disabling them as processing requirements altered.. The system itself was so amazingly fast that it laughed at anything we could possibly throw at it in an industrial environment, but the glitches still occurred..
Solution, try a core i5 without hyperthreading, and a simpler power management structure!! Nowhere near as powerful as the i7, but still more than fast enough for the job..
Audio professionals have also come across this glitching issue and gone for stability and consistency over raw power..
This would apply to the latency of the triple play or the jam origins midi guitar..
In a live environment, one is unlikely to overload even a modest processor with loads of soft synths and plugins. If you did, it's your own fault, it is the rest of the system functions and computer hardware that would cause the inconsistency.. And most of the latency, along with pops and blips in the audio..

Odd - maybe on the PC but on the Mac Logic Studio uses the hyperthreading cores - I've measured the performance with and without the hyperthreading enabled and the hyperthreading results in a very noticeable increase in performance.  My recordings are clean, clear and quiet - the best I've achieved.  I haven't tried using the Windows 7 Corei7 laptop I use for recording but it might be worth a shot just to see what's happening. 

Regarding the Jam Origins MIDI guitar app - it's amazing, but I get a lot of mistriggering and/or double triggering of notes or what seems to be false triggering.  I'm still amazed at what it can do though since I've used old mono guitar synths in the past and this far exceeds them.  I still get better musical performance with my VG-99-via-USB-with softsynths.
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