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GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« on: February 12, 2011, 05:37:17 PM »

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There's a related limitation that you can't use the GR-55 as an audio interface for Guitar Rig or Amplitube as you can't mute your guitar's input in the GR-55 and send it to your computer (you will always hear your raw guitar in addition to the computer processed sound).

Prior to using the GR-55 as an audio interface for Guitar Rig or Amplitube, be sure to perfom this important step:

In the GR-55 USB Settings, disable "Direct Monitor"

see page 80 of the GR-55 Owners Manual
GR-55 Owners Manual:
http://www.rolandus.com/support/product_manuals/?group=3





and retry with NI Guitar Rig
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2011, 05:39:13 PM »

<Germanicus wrote>

Faster Scrolling Tip

For anyone delving into the deeper editing, a tip for navigating menus a bit faster (sorry if this obvious to most folks).

Theres some pretty extensive options when in the deeper editing screen for the PCM tones. To quickly scroll down, hold the down arrow and then hold the top arrow simultaneously. You can do the reverse to scroll up super fast.

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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2011, 06:51:32 PM »


How to make the GK-3 three-way switch work like the GR-20, when connected to the GR-55:

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Paults wrote>
1) Go to System

PEDAL/GK CTL (enter)

Tab over to VOL
    If you want to be able to hear the normal guitar when your switch is in the "GUITAR" position, change GK VOL to "TONE VOLUME", and turn NORMAL PU "OFF".  With the switch in MIX, you'll hear both the GK knob output, and your normal guitar output, with independent control for each.  In GK position, you'll just hear COSM/PCM sounds, and in GUITAR, just the normal guitar.

The other advantage to "TONE VOLUME" is it lets the guitar models be much more responsive and expressive.

The GK settings can also be changed per patch, but this is based on the factory settings. I'm used to having my VG set up this way, so this setting may stay global for me.

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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2011, 06:52:30 PM »

Roland COSM Reference Library
This thread here is ESSENTIAL READING FOR EVERYONE!

Please download ALL the docs posted as attachments to posts in  thread linked below.

These are essential Roland COSM Reference documents ALL GR-55/ VG-99/ VG-88/ VG-8 /GT-X users can learn from.   
click here:
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88.0

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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2011, 03:36:50 AM »

Using the Nuance parameters (owners manual page 28)

The Nuance parameters detect when you play your guitar/bass with a soft touch, and apply a corresponding change to the sound of the
PCM tone.
For example, if CUTOFF NUANCE SENS is set to a positive “+” value, the cutoff frequency of the PCM tone will be lowered when you play a
muted or a finger-picked note, producing a softer tone quality.
As another example, you might use PCM TONE 1 to create the sound that will be heard when you pluck the string with a pick, and PCM
TONE 2 to create the sound that will be heard when you pluck the string with your finger. Then set the Nuance parameters as follows,
allowing you to switch between PCM TONE 1 and 2 by alternating your performance technique.
• PCM TONE 1 settings
TONE CATEGORY/NUMBER: the tone sounded for a note played with a pick
LEVEL NUANCE SENS: +50
• PCM TONE 2 settings
TONE CATEGORY/NUMBER: the tone sounded for a note played with your finger
LEVEL NUANCE SENS: -50
To enable the Nuance parameters, turn NUANCE SW “ON” and adjust each NUANCE SENS parameter as desired.
If you want to adjust the nuance so it’s appropriate for the guitar or bass you’re using, set the SYSTEM - GK SETTING parameters NUANCE
DYNAMICS and NUANCE TRIM (p. 75).
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2011, 09:07:57 PM »

While playing with the GR-55 and and a midi controller, I discovered the two parameters represented in the nice 3d graphic in the EZ-EDIT screen.  These are parameter REVERB | TYPE | REVERB LEVEL for the vertical axis (DRY to WET), and parameter EQ | CHAR | CHARACTER for the horizontal axis (MILD to BRIGHT).  The third parameter, PATCH LEVEL is just that lol...   I tested about 10 random patches and all responded equally to the same parameters under the EZ-EDIT screen.

By the way, all the screens respond to live midi input if properly configured.  Nice.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2011, 09:33:44 PM »

I assume these were manipulated by your remote MIDI controller?

What MIDI CC# numbers worked?
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2011, 10:14:21 PM »

I assume these were manipulated by your remote MIDI controller?

What MIDI CC# numbers worked?

I used the ASSIGN feature, in the MASTER page for the patch.  CC's 1-31, 64-95 work.  It seems that up to eight parameters can be controlled as such. 
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« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2011, 08:07:40 AM »

With the GR-55 off, press [< PAGE] and [PAGE >], then turn on the unit while keeping both buttons pressed.  After a while you'll see the VERSION screen.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2011, 12:47:39 PM »

An example of the use of assignments to create a wide-ranging guitar patch

Assign two different COSM guitars to S1
example: Strat & Les Paul

Assign two differents pickups to S2 (you might have to use two assigns depending on your choice of guitars)
example: Rear+Center and Front for a Strat, Rear and Front for a Les Paul

Assign both the AMP Gain and Level to the GK volume (to be able to clean up your sound without losing too much volume)
example: Gain decreases and Level increases when you turn the volume down
 
Assign a Delay "Send Level" to the EXP and EXP ON pedals (to "wet" the sound depending on your needs)
assigning it to both EXP and EXP ON enables you to control the amount of delay whether the EXP Switch is engaged or not

Assign a Chorus (or effect of your choice) "on/off" to the EXP Switch

Assign a Distortion "on/off" to your CTRL pedal



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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2011, 08:05:32 PM »

An example of the use of assignments to create a wide-ranging guitar patch

Assign two different COSM guitars to S1
example: Strat & Les Paul


How do you assign to S1/S2?
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2011, 08:26:09 PM »

Welcome to the forum, celtic_dude. :)

How do you assign to S1/S2?

The same way you assign to other controllers. :)
(from page 54 of the manual)

1) Edit
2) Assign

Edit: before you try the example below you have to do the following.
1) Edit
2) System
3) Pedal / GK CTL
4) GK S1: PATCH SETTING
5) GK S2: PATCH SETTING


Example: assigning pickups for two different COSM guitars (Strat & Les paul)

Assign 1
Switch: ON
Target: MODEL TONE NUMBER
Target Min: 01 CLA-ST
Target Max: 05 LP
Source: GK S1
Source Mode: TOGGLE
...

Assign 2 (will work when the Strat model is selected with S1)
Switch: ON
Target: MODEL EGTR/CLA-ST,MOD-ST PU SEL
Target Min: R+C
Target Max: FRONT
Source: GK S2
Source Mode: TOGGLE
...

Assign 3 (will work when the Les Paul model is selected with S1)
Switch: ON
Target: Model EGTR/HH,TE,LP... PU SEL
Target Min: REAR
Target Max: FRONT
Source: GK S2
Source Mode: TOGGLE
...

Notice that the two preceding targets are assigned to the same controller (GK S2).
Only one will work depending on which COSM guitar has been selected with S1.
That's what the trick is
. ;)

 
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Pulsed/ Beat tempo
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 06:02:26 AM »

Just realised the other night that you can change the tempo of the pulsed / Beat PCM tones by adjusting the master BPM.
Makes these tones a lot more flexible.

If you want (and know how) you can adjust this further in the LFO parameters in the individual PCM tones
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2011, 08:02:18 AM »

I found some products online that will let you use your EV-5 and FS-6 with the GR-55 midi ports. The company is called Midi Solutions and they make converter boxes that let you use your foot switches as midi controllers. Both boxes are midi powered and can be chained together. They can be edited via your computers midi port with their software.

Here is the link   http://www.midisolutions.com/
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2011, 08:11:14 AM »

Thanks for the info, Jimmy. :)
They do look like good products but I personally find the price a bit steep compared to the price of the GR-55. :/
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2011, 09:06:36 AM »

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I personally find the price a bit steep compared to the price of the GR-55.

I agree I stumbled across them online and thought that so many GR-55 users complain about the lack of Controllers and this solution might be worth it to some. Someone might be able to find out how they work and make a cost effective mod for the GR-55.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2011, 12:56:32 AM »


Rocktron also makes a small midi switch box with two controller inputs.  It also has bank up/down and one select switch.  One of those would be cheaper than two Midi Solutions boxes, but would weigh more, if that matters.

http://www.rocktron.com/products/controllers/midixchange/

One caveat: the Rocktron transmits pedal status with each program change. If you want them to work that way, no problem!

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« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2011, 04:24:04 PM »

I just noticed that if you select a GK Set in Guitar mode (say GK SET 3), when switching to Bass Mode, the same GK SET is set for that Mode as well.
So you can't have a GK SETup 2 for Bass Mode and GK SETup 3 for guitar Mode, without having to change these each time you change modes.
GK SET selections in both modes share the same control - a little dissapointing.
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2011, 04:29:52 PM »

I'd be tempted to call that a bug.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2011, 03:31:26 AM »

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I'd be tempted to call that a bug.


No I think in all Roland's not so great wisdom figured you were either a guitar player or a bass player... not both.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2011, 05:21:32 PM »

I read some post this week that got me thinking of some possibilities of the GR-55. the first idea was to switch from a 12 string acoustic model to a Les Paul through a high gain amp.
assign 1 switch guitar models
assign 2 turn the amp on and off
assign 3 turn 12 string on and off

the second idea was to switch amps with a single guitar model.
1 turn on the amp block and turn on the amp sim in the MFX block.
assign 1 switch the path of the modeled guitar from MOD to MFX.

I did not know you could do this and now it has opened new doors for patch creation. Now I can do alot more things within a patch.

Just a side note: the amp sims in the MFX block are week so I recommend use them for clean or low gain amp sounds only.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2011, 11:10:27 AM »

I read some post this week that got me thinking of some possibilities of the GR-55. the first idea was to switch from a 12 string acoustic model to a Les Paul through a high gain amp.
assign 1 switch guitar models
assign 2 turn the amp on and off
assign 3 turn 12 string on and off

the second idea was to switch amps with a single guitar model.
1 turn on the amp block and turn on the amp sim in the MFX block.
assign 1 switch the path of the modeled guitar from MOD to MFX.

I did not know you could do this and now it has opened new doors for patch creation. Now I can do alot more things within a patch.

Just a side note: the amp sims in the MFX block are week so I recommend use them for clean or low gain amp sounds only.
Tip- use an assign to set the gain and output levels of the amp. That way you can use the amp with the acoustic too.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2011, 12:00:43 AM »

I've recently started trying to play live Dub-Step and am mainly using the GR55 (I'll integrate the VG99 once I get a US20). It's been quite a challenge programming sounds that are typical of the genre. There is a ton of modulation going on in some of these signature tones like the wobbly bass drops and growling, spitting mid range saws. For a while I wasn't sure I'd have control over all the parameters I want in the way I want.

Basically I needed to figure out how to control assign controllers with other assign controls. I'm trying my best to keep it all "in box" rather than relying on external sequencers or control surfaces.

I realized using the patch tempo in various ways really aides in achieving some of this meta control. Try using the wav or internal pedals for assign control sources and setting their sweeps to divisions of the patch tempo to control various parameters of your pcm tones (like LFO beat divisions) then assign the tempo itself to be controlled by another wav or internal pedal control. This will get you some pretty interesting results and and mix things up quick! I was able to get bass drops that pulsate at various tempos all on their own (that is I didn't have to press any buttons to change tempos).

The nagging thing I've found at this point is that you're limited in how you can trigger when a particular wav or internal pedal controller starts. It would be great if we could turn assigns on or off at will via a midi cc or nuance control or whatever. Or imagine what would be possible if you could re-trigger an internal pedal controller with each plucked note, it would certainly make high level control schemes more efficient to say the least.

I have the feeling if I were to integrate MAX I could achieve the higher level controls I'm looking for. I've only started reading about the capabilities of it's existing modules and it seems like I'd be able to trigger an oscillator, using it as a pseudo "internal pedal", with a note input (either midi are audio). Hell I've heard of people using various colored lights as trigger inputs. Anyone using MAX to control the GR55?

Sorry for the rambling dissertation. The Gr55 (and vg99) are deep units and while I wouldn't say they're deeply flawed it's just that the more I dig the more I wish they could do.
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2011, 01:42:17 AM »

I found some products online that will let you use your EV-5 and FS-6 with the GR-55 midi ports. The company is called Midi Solutions and they make converter boxes that let you use your foot switches as midi controllers. Both boxes are midi powered and can be chained together. They can be edited via your computers midi port with their software.

Here is the link   http://www.midisolutions.com/

wow, pedal controller isnt it? can we use this? im assign ev-5 as ps6 expression pedal, and connect to GR55 through midi port, how bout the routing? can i use this after the distortion  route ,so it not necessary using any more amps through guitar output just the stereo out to PA/keyboard amps, thx
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Re: GR-55 Tips & Tricks
« Reply #24 on: February 05, 2012, 10:32:54 PM »

did i hear someone say dub step with a guitar ...i call it "stratstep" ;)
here is a little improv thing i did 2010...i got lots more patches that go wobble wobble rez fuzz all with vg-99
hoping to land some more work so i can buy the gr-55....then it will be on!!!
nosaintnick do you have any thing we can hear?
would love to finally see / hear more people pushing the limits as to what these boxes can do!
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