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Offline sixeight

VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« on: October 10, 2013, 12:31:40 PM »
Lately I had to change the Control Assignments in all my patches for my new FC300. Didn't feel like making the same changes on every patch. There had to be a quicker way.

Found a quick way to make multiple assigns in several patches with the help of a sysex librarian. I did this on my Macbook with the Snoize sysex librarian: http://www.snoize.com/SysExLibrarian/

Here is the trick:
1) Take a patch and make sure all the assignments you want to make are something else than what you want it to be (including latch mode on ctrl buttons)
2) Start the VG99 editor
3) Start the Sysex Librarian and set the destination to VG-99 Control (see enclosed picture)
4) Now press Record Many on the Sysex Librarian
5) Make all the Control Assingments you want to change in the VG99 Editor, but do not press Write
6) When done switch to the sysex librarian and press Done.
7) Now choose any patch on the VG99 and press Play. All the assignments will be made. If you keep the assignment window of the VG99 editor open, you can see the changes being made...
8 ) Press Write on the VG-99 to save and smile.
9) Repeat step 7 and 8 for every patch as needed.

« Last Edit: April 01, 2016, 09:33:19 AM by sixeight »

Offline arkieboy

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2013, 12:59:22 PM »
Splendid!


Well done.  I shall use that


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Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2013, 01:29:17 PM »
Great!  :)
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Offline Radley

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2013, 04:45:10 PM »
Excellent tip - Thanks!  8)

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Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2013, 09:54:14 PM »
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Offline Brak(E)man

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2013, 03:25:19 AM »
Nice Thanx !
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Offline vanceg

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2013, 10:35:01 PM »
That is a smart idea - Basically record the assignments only in a SysEx editor and then "Play" them into each patch on the VG-99 and save.

Offline sixeight

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2013, 07:42:17 AM »
That is a smart idea - Basically record the assignments only in a SysEx editor and then "Play" them into each patch on the VG-99 and save.

I am glad you like it. It's proven to be a real time saver...

Offline ProgMystic

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2013, 02:11:24 AM »
Bravo! Obviously you can save the sysex file and run it anytime you need. Good idea. 8)
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Offline mooncaine

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2014, 12:33:35 AM »
Brilliant! Thanks, I can't wait to try it. I've got a favorite amp setting that won't save, and I also have bags of patches that have control assigns I would like to copy and paste (in a sense).

Offline umsoser

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 08:52:35 AM »
and for a PC. windows 7 64 bits.  i suposse that sysex is only for mac . in case there is a option for pc i would like to know . thank you
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Online Elantric

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2014, 09:32:00 AM »
Quote
i suposse that sysex is only for mac . in case there is a option for pc i would like to know



SendSX (Windows): Stores & loads SysEx messages as text files. SysEx data can also be manually entered directly into the application.
http://www.bome.com/products/sendsx

Or explore others here:
http://www.synthzone.com/editlib.htm
http://www.mossgrabers.de/Software/ChangeIt/ChangeIt.html



« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 10:05:59 AM by Elantric »

Offline sixeight

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2014, 10:28:38 AM »
It is important you hijack the output port the commands are sent to. Maybe Midi-ox will do it. So far no luck. Maybe by creating a virtual port and routing it to the VG99...

Online Elantric

Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2014, 10:40:53 AM »
Possibly this?

MIDI Yoke
www.midiox.com/

Or

Hubi's Loopback MIDI Driver
http://www.sionsoft.com/hubi.html

But Audio/MIDI routing and monitoring is vastly easier on a Mac
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 10:42:32 AM by Elantric »

Offline Mark Haydon

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Re: The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
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Offline adamlee011

Re: VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #15 on: September 11, 2015, 03:59:21 AM »
If I'm understanding this correctly, you could probably do this with automation in a DAW as well.??? Setting the vg up  as a control surface and playing the automation track through each patch? Maybe?

Offline sixeight

Re: VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2015, 08:30:19 AM »
If I'm understanding this correctly, you could probably do this with automation in a DAW as well.??? Setting the vg up  as a control surface and playing the automation track through each patch? Maybe?

The trick is to spy upon a midi out port while you are using the editor. This is something most DAWs will not do.

Offline vanceg

Re: VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2015, 04:52:18 PM »
I'm likely going to do this tomorrow.  It's going to be arduous as I have 16 MIDI assignments, all the F1-16 assignments, Control, Volume, Dbeam, and Ribbon controller all assigned.

One of my favorite things about the VG-99 is it's control options.  UNfortunately, I actually run out of MIDI control assigns because I don't use the FC-300.

What I'm thinking I'll do NEXT time (like, next month) is use Bohme MIDI software to send Sysex messages to the VG-99 and just use my Softstep to trigger these Sysex messages.   I will do that for all of the standard controls like:  Basic Effect on/off, Amp On/Off, Freeze on/off, etc.  All the stuff I would otherwise do with a FC-300.  I'm basically thinking of turning a Softstep and a Bhome Box into a FC-300. This way, I can use TWO softsteps at the same time (one for FX on/off and one for the more esoteric controls) to get 20 "buttons" available at any moment... and it weighs about 3.5lb all together... and it fits in a backpack.



The Bohme MIDI Box will also accept my Softstep, Guitar Wing, MIDI Expression, and my HotHand and convert that to 5 pin so that I can ditch the laptop when I need to.



Offline mooncaine

Re: VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2016, 04:54:38 PM »
I finally put this tip through some test drives today and it paid off. ;D

I learned that I don't have to preset the patch before I start recording (not that it doesn't help).

Instead, I can change the setting twice, or more, while 'recording' the changes I make in the VG-99 Editor software.

There's still a prob with toggles that I'm not sure about, and some things do have to be set up before I record my settings, such as the guitar type. I can't record a control assign to select the Center pickup if the current guitar model is a 2-pickup guitar.

I played back a suite of control assigns, I played back a custom tuning setup, and I learned that I really do have to wiggle each control (either in software or on the hardware) that I expect to record, or else it'll remain whatever the previous setting was. It won't get recorded. That's actually good news... but it can make setting this up tedious. I did a great suite but realized I've left out changing one knob's setting to 100%. Gotta do the whole thing over if I want to fix that... and that's just the omission I *noticed*.

Is there a way to concatenate two or more of these .syx files on my mac, then use the SysEx Librarian to play back the concatenated file? I wonder if I could play one file across USB from one Mac to another.

Offline vanceg

Re: VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2016, 05:08:37 PM »
Yeah, you do have to actually change the value of each and every parameter for this trick to work.  I wish I could get my head around just editing the Sysex files so I could copy/paste from one patch to another... but this trick does work if you are willing and able to lay hands on every parameter you want to change.


I finally put this tip through some test drives today and it paid off. ;D

I learned that I don't have to preset the patch before I start recording (not that it doesn't help).

Instead, I can change the setting twice, or more, while 'recording' the changes I make in the VG-99 Editor software.

There's still a prob with toggles that I'm not sure about, and some things do have to be set up before I record my settings, such as the guitar type. I can't record a control assign to select the Center pickup if the current guitar model is a 2-pickup guitar.

I played back a suite of control assigns, I played back a custom tuning setup, and I learned that I really do have to wiggle each control (either in software or on the hardware) that I expect to record, or else it'll remain whatever the previous setting was. It won't get recorded. That's actually good news... but it can make setting this up tedious. I did a great suite but realized I've left out changing one knob's setting to 100%. Gotta do the whole thing over if I want to fix that... and that's just the omission I *noticed*.

Is there a way to concatenate two or more of these .syx files on my mac, then use the SysEx Librarian to play back the concatenated file? I wonder if I could play one file across USB from one Mac to another.

Offline mooncaine

Re: VG-99- The trick for making multiple assigns in several patches
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2016, 03:54:02 PM »
Although I must remember to 'stir' every control twice, to be sure it gets recorded in the SysEx, I was happy to learn:

I can take my time, make mistakes, and redo a setting, without really needing to start over. It'll just take a little longer when I play it back, but not much longer, because the Snoize SysEx librarian has a speed setting in Preferences. I maxed it, and the changes came through quicker with no probs noticed. It doesn't matter to me if the computer changes the control assign 5 times as long as it's doing the work instead of me!

I can make these changes on the VG-99's knobs and in the software editor, which is helpful.

I can watch the VG-99 Editor's screens change as the settings get played back, a nice easy way to confirm it's working.

Love it! I'm off work today and about to try plugging in a bunch of Guitar Wing assigns to some patches.