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Offline cbeattyjr

Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« on: May 08, 2008, 11:35:20 AM »
Does the VG-99 need to be bolted to the $150.00 Roland unit?  This doesn't seem practical for gig use.

What do other people use?

Will a simple snare stand work?

Online Elantric

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2008, 12:17:26 PM »
The plate mounts to the bottom of the VG-99 with 4 screws.

One thumb screw removes the plate from the Stand. I always use the PDS-10 stand

Offline cbeattyjr

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2008, 03:19:49 PM »
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The plate mounts to the bottom of the VG-99 with 4 screws.

One thumb screw removes the plate from the Stand. I always use the PDS-10 stand
That doesn't sound too bad.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 11:52:35 AM by Elantric »

Offline Meltdown

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2008, 04:01:11 PM »
PDS-10 stand all the way for me.
Fast setup.
No bending over to tweak something like with a rack or floor unit ( i hate that ).

Offline s0c9

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2008, 09:02:40 PM »
I bought the APC-33 [universal mount, $35+] which happens to fit the VG99, bolted it to the VG99, then mounted it on an existing cymbal stand I had. Looks just like the expensive Roland version..
Saved $70+ 

Offline rcknrllmn

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2008, 09:38:56 PM »
I use the - Roland APC-33 Drum Pad Clamp.
It's the same profile to fit the VG-99 as the Roland drum samplers.
You can mount it on any stand, mic stand, cymbal stand, & etc.
I use an old acoustic guitar stand that I do not need anymore due to the VG-99 acoustic sims.
Costs 50 bucks instead of 150 & you can mount it on any stand you already own.

Online Elantric

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2008, 11:30:05 PM »
We have a write up and pic of the APC-33 here

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=89.msg798#msg798


The APC-33 clamp is basically identical to the the top portion of the PDS-10.- interesting.

edit -

no its a bit different - good to know this works:

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--ROLAPC33


« Last Edit: February 26, 2015, 11:53:47 AM by Elantric »

Offline jvguitar

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2008, 12:02:29 PM »
I bought the APC-33 [universal mount, $35+] which happens to fit the VG99, bolted it to the VG99, then mounted it on an existing cymbal stand I had. Looks just like the expensive Roland version..
Saved $70+ 

Just a quick question, I ordered online the APC-33, but it came without bolts. What kind of bolts should I buy? Thanks.

JV

Online Elantric

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2008, 04:47:08 PM »
FWIW - New VG-99's  come with 4 black screws for this mounting bracket - Look in the VG-99 box

Offline jvguitar

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2008, 06:55:07 PM »
Indeed, they were still in the box. I completely forgot about those screws. Thank you for your help.

JV

Offline prongs_386

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2008, 01:10:49 AM »
I just thought I'd let other know what I've done for my mounting..
I bought a $40 music stand, which is quite sturdy. Then I drilled holes in it got the thumb bolt things it came with and put them through into a nut.
Now I leave the thumb bolts always attached to the stand and to mount I just chuck the vg99 over the bolts and screw in.

Works perfectly and only cost me $40 as opposed to $130+ it would have cost me for the normal stand.

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Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2008, 08:46:33 AM »
« Last Edit: July 05, 2008, 08:51:02 AM by sustainiac »

Offline Slackjaw

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2008, 08:50:10 PM »
I paid $99 for the PDS-10 B-stock, and would have paid the full $150 if I had to.  This is a rock-solid heavy-duty solution for mounting and performing with your $1,300 processor.  Just my two cents.
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Offline Piperbret

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2008, 06:01:42 PM »
Hello Everyone,
First of all, I am not a professional musician so this tip may not work for a professional gig. However, I do perform with friends on a stage and my stand works very well. I use a black, high quality music stand for my VG-99. It is meant to hold music books or sheet music. It is not the cheap chrome, folding music stands that you see all of the time. This would probably be used more in a church, symphony and etc. It is lightweight, very stable, adjustable and wide enough that the VG-99 is securely held in place. The tray is inclined 45 degrees with a two inch "lip" at the bottom. I believe I paid less than $25 for the stand. Anyway, works well for me.

Thanks

Offline musicman65

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #14 on: October 05, 2008, 07:36:27 PM »
I built a roadcase that holds the vg-99 and fc-300 in a single box that splits into two wedge shaped halves fast setup. It also houses my midi synth module and a voicebox setup.It has 5 extra footsitches and an extra expession pedal. Everything is pre-wired. Sets up in 3 mins including the mic and stand.

Can be seen here...click on the VG-99 Roadcase link on the left side menu.

http:\\www.cruzerrocks.com
Bd in tn
« Last Edit: October 05, 2008, 07:51:18 PM by Brent Flash »

Offline musicman65

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #15 on: October 05, 2008, 07:41:19 PM »
CORRECTION:typo on web address below.This one is correct.

I built a roadcase that holds the vg-99 and fc-300 in a single box that splits into two wedge shaped halves fast setup. It also houses my midi synth module and a voicebox setup.It has 5 extra footsitches and an extra expession pedal. Everything is pre-wired. Sets up in 3 mins including the mic and stand.

Can be seen here...click on the VG-99 Roadcase link on the left side menu.

http:\\www.cruzerrocks.com
Bd in tn

Offline musicman65

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2008, 09:02:07 PM »
I permanently mounted mine in a roadcase with the fc-300.

Check out the pics. Click the link on the left menu to view it...
http://www.cruzerrocks.com

Bd in tn

Offline imdurc

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2009, 01:08:09 PM »
After nearly choking when hearing the price for the PDS10 stand  :o (which is basically half a cymbal stand with a plate for the VG99 to sit on), I decided to find a way of making my own. After thinking that a mic stand and a self-made plate would be difficult, but not impossible, my dad came up with a very good idea. A camera tripod and a self-made wooden plate. Here's the result:



http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/imdurc/dc8ada45.jpg - Far shot
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/imdurc/4fa94bbe.jpg - (Underside 1)
http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q260/imdurc/0ccf3d60.jpg - (Underside 2)


Full credit to my dad for this one as I merely assisted where I could! Anyway, here's what was used:

1. A fairly new small tripod that I picked up for £10 off ebay
2. The wood was from an old bunk bed!
3. And the screws (M5 x 10) were bought in an assorted pack from Homebase. £1.99 for 3.5cm size length.

All can be easily sourced from various shops.

So, the wooden plate is solidly attached to the tripod head at the top by two screw points. One which attaches to the wooden board and the other which fits directly into the VG-99's corner screw point. Finally, you simply screw in the other 3 points on the VG-99, attaching it solidly to the stand. And because we used a tripod stand, the manoeverability is excellent.  8) Full tilt and height adjustments can be made with very little effort!

The only thing I'd probably change would be the M5 screws we picked up. The head is nut-like, so it means having to add a spanner to my guitar bag when I put the VG on and take it off. I'd have probably gone with the cross-head type screws if I'd seen a cheap pack. Maybe I'll pick up the more expensive pack next time I'm down there. Hmm...


So, an overall cost of about £12! Take that Roland!  :P ;D Can't believe they were trying to charge £85 for such a simple premise of a stand. The other alternative was to get a cymbal stand with a boom arm (£20) and modify it to take the VG in a similar way. That's basically all the Roland one is, after-all - A cymbal stand and a metal plate that gets gripped in place by the boom arm slot. Scandalous!
Again, another alternative arrived by Sound on Sound magazine's article on saving money in the studio. It was a simple idea of using this music stand - http://www.thomann.de/gb/thomann_orchesterpult.htm. It can hold 3KG, which should be plenty and the holes in the top may have allowed SOME way to secure it to the stand. And at little over £10, it's certainly a DIY-less way of doing the job. 

Hope this helps other VG-99 users! This is a great place where I hope to spend some more time.  ;)
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Online Elantric

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2009, 01:36:04 PM »
I love it - good work!!!

baranger1

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Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2009, 01:41:36 PM »
Tell your Dad he did a great job!

Bill

Offline germanicus

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2009, 04:30:59 PM »
FWIW, the pds stand is pretty expensive, but it IS a top quality item in terms of stability. I have zero fear of it tipping. Its pretty hefty.
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Offline imdurc

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2009, 10:18:49 AM »
That's all very well for the non-DIY amongst us, germanicus. But as we all know, you're basically paying for the plate that the VG99 screws into. The rest of the stand is a simple cymbal stand. Hardly an expensive item on its own. As I posted before, I was going to pick one up for £17-20. And the wood to make my own plate would've made a very small difference to the overall costs.

So, it still doesn't justify the huge cost that Roland's stand seems to garner. There's no getting away from that, otherwise there wouldn't be others here trying to do the same thing.

Personally, a good tripod stand (cheap or otherwise) can be just as good as the PDS10. Just don't buy cheap rubbish! Hence why my £10 tripod stand can take the full weight of the VG99, sitting vertically (not horizontally), plus my cable protruding out of the front (pulling it) and still, the stand does not fall.

There's no defending Roland's money grabbing escapades. Otherwise why wouldn't they just make a piece that fits tripod stands?? All tripods have a standarised fitting, so it would fit without any issues. But I guess, that wouldn't be worth their time...or money.

I mean, look at the price of the rack adapter that allows the VG99 to sit amongst other rack eqiupment - £139!! Jeez... Again, just buy a non-Roland branded rack adapter that shares the same functionality for maybe £15-30. Drill some screw points in the backplate, then screw in the VG99. I'm sure that wouldn't cost much to do either. There's no excuse for Roland's prices.

Online Elantric

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2009, 02:17:16 PM »


The APC-33 clamp is basically identical to the the top portion of the PDS-10, with universal clamp

$50 USD

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--ROLAPC33




Offline UltimateGuitarSoul

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2009, 03:20:49 PM »
Your father did an amazing job indeed!

Congrats mate!  ;D

Regards,
-Mike

Offline LeeMorant

Re: Roland VG-99 PDS stand alternative
« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2009, 03:31:20 PM »
I use that £10 stand and you can use two of the holes on the bottom of the vg to secure it using the included knob bolty bits, perfectly stable and secure!

 

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