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Offline musicman65

FC300 - Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« on: July 12, 2012, 02:20:18 PM »
Been doing some research and NOBODY has a viable FC300 editor. I'd give $30 to $40 for one immediately if it existed. Some guys have used a MIDI tool to send Sysex to one to rename patches that appear on the display. I believe it can also do a Sysex dump via remote command so its all there for the right guy to exploit.

The FC300 is unique as one of the few dual exp pedal boards with a real display. It is widely used outside of the vg world and would be more popular with a companion software editor.

Anyways, food for thought.

bd
« Last Edit: April 29, 2015, 05:47:52 PM by admsustainiac »

Offline gumtown

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2012, 06:19:14 PM »
If I had one, I may concider it, and it is not worth the cost (to me) to go buy one just to make an editor.
Here a new FC-300 is the same price as a GT-100 (NZD $899.00), yet I could go buy a Behringer FCB1010 equivalent for a little more than 1/4 of the Roland price.
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Offline Elantric

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2012, 01:46:05 PM »
I do think that provided Gumtown's track record for creating Editors - perhaps he could hit up a few Kemper Profile Amp owners who would pool their funds to contribute a free KPA and mail it to Gumtown, with the goal he could creating a cross platform "KPA" Editor - There is much business, need and desire for this.
 
http://kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=5502&pageNo=2
 

Offline whippinpost91850

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2012, 06:44:37 PM »
I'm sure there is a lot of us that would be quite happy to through some $$$ to Gumtown for such a device. As his GR55 floorboard is a god send ;D

Offline musicman65

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2012, 10:06:02 PM »
+1 on the KPA editor. Those guys on the Kemper Forum are suffering! Someone needs to save them.

-1 on the FCB1010 for live guitar work...I own 3 of them and they lack a display and tight integration to my beloved VG-99. They are also really cheap feeling under foot. I like them and use them to control lights and effects live....but once you use an FC-300, you can't go back....lol. The editor for the FCB (and custom roms, if needed) is its saving grace...the manual programming method is a nightmare!

You would be shocked to see what guys are spending on midi foot controllers that are way less versatile than the FC300....but have software to configure them.

Gumtown...if I find a cheap used FC-300 to send you, would you reconsider? Not sure where this would be found but I'll start looking if you are game. (carrot tied to stick, presented graciously :)  )

bd


Offline gumtown

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2012, 04:48:01 PM »
+1 on the KPA editor. Those guys on the Kemper Forum are suffering! Someone needs to save them.
I have seen a bit on various forums about the Kemper, but until just now, never even seen a picture of one.
Not sure yet if it is something I would acutally use, i'm not sure anyone would concider an editor until the firmware is more solid and sorted.
I am always open to offers and deals ( i think that includes bribery too ;-) ).
Seems a bit difficult to find a on one of these price too, there is no dealer/distributer in my country for these.
BTW: The Kemper logo reminds me of this

Gumtown...if I find a cheap used FC-300 to send you, would you reconsider? Not sure where this would be found but I'll start looking if you are game. (carrot tied to stick, presented graciously :)  )
An FC-300 is something I would actually use, so if one were to come my way, then yes.
« Last Edit: July 15, 2012, 05:07:52 PM by gumtown »
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Offline musicman65

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2012, 06:09:43 PM »
Thanks Gumtown. I will setup a saved search on eBay and monitor for a cheap FC300. Might be a while. We'll see what happens! Like I said, there are many asking for an editor.

bd

Offline Bill Ruppert

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2012, 06:32:01 PM »
HA
I thought the same thing about the ARRL logo.
I used to belong.
My ham call is W9WCR



I have seen a bit on various forums about the Kemper, but until just now, never even seen a picture of one.
Not sure yet if it is something I would acutally use, i'm not sure anyone would concider an editor until the firmware is more solid and sorted.
I am always open to offers and deals ( i think that includes bribery too ;-) ).
Seems a bit difficult to find a on one of these price too, there is no dealer/distributer in my country for these.
BTW: The Kemper logo reminds me of this (Image removed from quote.)
An FC-300 is something I would actually use, so if one were to come my way, then yes.

Offline datsunrobbie

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2012, 06:27:02 AM »
Thanks Gumtown. I will setup a saved search on eBay and monitor for a cheap FC300. Might be a while. We'll see what happens! Like I said, there are many asking for an editor.

bd

http://used.guitarcenter.com/usedgear/index.cfm

used FC300 for $279.99

Offline gumtown

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2013, 07:23:06 PM »
I do know someone who is currently making an FC-300 editor.

http://www.bossgtcentral.com/showthread.php?28589-Any-chance-for-a-FC-300-Fx-FloorBoard&p=243010#post243010

Does anyone have or know of the full FC-300 midi implementation?
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Offline Elantric

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2013, 07:35:25 PM »
The last half of this doc is rather detailed on the FC-300 MIDI Spec

Use Google Translate from Japanese
(FC-300 J2 Japanese Manual)
http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/jp/manuals/res/1809807/FC-300_j2.pdf

or start at page 59 here (FC-300 E2 English Manual)
http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1810998/FC-300_e2.pdf
« Last Edit: February 07, 2013, 07:43:46 PM by Elantric »

Offline Macciza

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 09:11:20 PM »
Hi Should not be too difficult to put something together in Lemur .  .
What do need it to do? And what would you want it do ?

Cheers
MM
'70s Strat, Brian Moore iM, VG-8, VG-99, FC-300, VL-70m, StringPort, SoftStep, Sentient6, iMac QC i7 27".

Offline gumtown

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2013, 09:55:18 PM »
Hi Should not be too difficult to put something together in Lemur .  .
What do need it to do? And what would you want it do ?

Cheers
MM
If you follow the link posted in my previous post, you will see someone is already making one

Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Offline musicman65

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2013, 10:19:59 PM »
This is excellent news! I think the FC300 surpasses most controllers I've seen but it is a royal pain to configure. The only downside is the highest CC being limited to 95....??? Why Roland, why?

bd

Offline gumtown

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 10:26:51 PM »
The only downside is the highest CC being limited to 95....??? Why Roland, why?

There is a good reason for that as listed below (copied and pasted from elsewhere)......

It's probably best not to use the group below for assigning controllers.?
96 Data Button increment
97 Data Button decrement
98 Non-registered Parameter (LSB)
99 Non-registered Parameter (MSB)
100 Registered Parameter (LSB)
101 Registered Parameter (MSB)

It's very important that you do not use these no matter what unless you want to invoke these functions
120 All Sound Off
121 All Controllers Off
122 Local Keyboard (on/off)
You might actually crash your keyboard if you use this one.
123 All Notes Off

You typically don't want your synths to change modes on you in the middle of making a song, so don't use these.
124 Omni Mode Off
125 Omni Mode On
126 Mono Operation
127 Poly Operation
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from http://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

Offline musicman65

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 10:50:34 PM »
Gumtown, thanks for the explanation. Makes sense.

Kemper's NRPN implementation uses CC > 95 unfortunately. Unless there is another way to send high CC #'s, the FC300 can't access the KPA's extended features that aren't mapped to standard CC's already. Mapping lower unused CC's to higher CC's using the Midi Solutions Event Processor may be the only way.

I'm pretty pumped about 4x4UK's editor. Thanks for the heads up.

bd

Offline Macciza

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2013, 12:32:40 AM »
Hi
Quote
If you follow the link posted in my previous post, you will see someone is already making one
Sorry, Did not notice the multiple pages - and also no links to project - closed source??

Maybe I should have been more explicit regarding the 'Lemur' part . . .
I was talking about doing something that would run on an iPad not a PC . . .
'70s Strat, Brian Moore iM, VG-8, VG-99, FC-300, VL-70m, StringPort, SoftStep, Sentient6, iMac QC i7 27".

Offline musicman65

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2013, 06:22:02 AM »
An iPad interface won't help me but others may benefit . I'm not an Apple user.

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Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2014, 02:18:24 AM »
The last half of this doc is rather detailed on the FC-300 MIDI Spec

or start at page 59 here (FC-300 E2 English Manual)
http://lib.roland.co.jp/support/en/manuals/res/1810998/FC-300_e2.pdf

The documentation only talks about the immediate data address tables (model id = 00H 00H 20H).
I am looking for more info on the bulk data mode (model id =  00H 00H 1EH), it's structure and meaning. I want to program the content of the on-board menu settings - specifically for CC and Patch mode but if possible also the global IO settings...

Any resources available on that?

Thanx,
Marc

« Last Edit: May 14, 2014, 02:20:51 AM by obiwanjacobi »
Grtx, Marc

Offline Elantric

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2014, 08:32:18 AM »
Suggest you look  / inspect the VG-99 Complete MIDi Implementation doc - as this contains some info on VG-99 with FC-300 that may be relevant.

http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=2968.0

Download this and search on "FC-300"
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2968.0;attach=7976
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Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2014, 11:44:52 AM »
Thanx. With a quick scan I could find a reference to the FC-300 SysEx but that's the same as in the FC-300 manual...

This will need more study...
Grtx, Marc

Offline Elantric

Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2014, 02:30:07 PM »
Quote
Thanx. With a quick scan I could find a reference to the FC-300 SysEx but that's the same as in the FC-300 manual...

This will need more study...

Somewhere  at Roland Corp,   Hosoe-cho, Hamamatsu,  Japan - there exists the official Roland FC-300 Complete MIDI Specification document.

These Complete MIDI Specification Docs for Roland Products used to be available to Roland Customers upon request.

But since 2007, the policy changed - current middle management lumps "Complete MIDI Specification docs " with C++ Source Code and protected intellectual property of Roland Corp - which makes Complete MIDI Specifications very tough to obtain by non Roland employees.
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Offline musicman65

Re: Re: Re: Gumtown: Ever considered making an FC-300 editor?
« Reply #22 on: May 16, 2014, 11:08:57 AM »
But since 2007, the policy changed - current middle management lumps "Complete MIDI Specification docs " with C++ Source Code and protected intellectual property of Roland Corp - which makes Complete MIDI Specifications very tough to obtain by non Roland employees.
How STUPID is that?