Zoom MS-70CDR

Started by Elantric, August 09, 2013, 09:54:43 AM

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This might help a few folks  - place after GR-55 to have a reverb tail fill the "gap" during GR-55 Patch change. Even KPA owners are buying it to add more FX

Nice recreation of Strymon Timeline and Eventide Space
http://www.kemper-amps.com/forum/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=10311&highlight=
Wil Chen wrote>
Zoom MS-70CDR
Anyone looking for a nice compact pedal to add some unique effects to the Kemper should check out the Zoom MS-70CDR. Really fills the gap nicely for anyone looking for shimmers, spring reverb, reverse delay, and pretty much any other oddball effects to create ambient texture or sonic freakouts. One of the things I love about it is modulated delay with independent control over speed and depth. I love setting the speed very low and depth very high. It creates a very subtle chorusing effect which is pretty undetectable with higher gain and the guitar volume up, but when you roll back the guitar volume to clean up you also get this nice kinda shimmer which I simply love. It's also got models of the Eventide Space and Strymon Timeline along with a ton of other tastey stuff. Functionally, its got a setting which allows you to toggle through your favorite presets, and I keep it in the Kemper loop (along with my EHX Freeze) to engage when I want it. Works sweet in that config, best of all only $120. Below is a vid I shot of the factory presets, I also wrote up a more in-depth review


http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2013/07/25/ZOOM-MS-70CDR.aspx

papabuss

#1
Have just watched or better say  listened! to this video.
It's a nice one to guess which effect was used!
Just close your eyes, guess the effect and open your eyes to see if you were right.
I liked it. (A good lesson for your ears.)
P.S. You can't guess all of them.... ;)

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cell7

i would actually spring a few more bones and get the Zoom MS100-BT http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-100bt/
The architecture and effects list are updatable via bluetooth from an app [for a dollar an effect] so it allows for more variety. I guess everything else is the same, and it already has most of the ms70s effects built in  :)


Toby Krebs

#3
Thanks Elantric. I am interested in this as well for a dist/overdrive/amp modelled  tone available at all times without having to deal with patch changes on the GR55. Also eliminates the need for setting up a guitar amp if it sounds good. I would need a dist/overdrive amp sim. with it I see. Sounds pretty darn good.

Elantric

#4
QuoteI am interested in this as well for a dist/overdrive/amp modelled  tone

look elsewhere - this particular Zoom MS-70CDR "Chorus, Delay, Reverb" pedal has zero Distortions, no Amp Modeling. -


Edit Unlocked with third party editor

Myself i like the larger Zoom G3 - particularly when they were on sale for $125
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg29292#msg29292

Quotei would actually spring a few more bones and get the Zoom MS100-BT http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-100bt/
That ecosystem can get pricey since you buy your effects ala cart from the Zoom IOS App via iTunes. and it lack the new effects models found in the new MS-70CDR

Also re -read all the manuals for all the above and review all the available effects - the new MS-70CDR includes Delays and Reverbs found ONLY in this specific pedal, like the Strymon Timeline and Eventide Space - neither are available on any other Zoom.

My MS-70CDR arrives today

Read Will Chens review here: MS-70CDR

http://frugalguitarist.com/post/2013/07/25/ZOOM-MS-70CDR.aspx

Toby Krebs

I think the MS-50 will do what I need. Basically to setup next to the GR55/ Talk Box instead of my huge Line 6 HD300. I could blast it in front of a small tube amp or use the dist/delay and amp modelling like I do with the HD300. The GR55 does the heavy lifting and the little Zoom has an available at all times 1 to 3 killer lead patches with amp sim. into FRFR powered cabs. I travel light to these club gigs and this is small and light! The G3 is 169 dollars now. Should have bought one for 125 dollars like you did.

myksara

Toby..yes the ms50g is a very good little thing. .
I use it for practice sessions and even live on low budget gigs where I want to go light..
But I have ordered a g3x now because the ms50g patches cant be edited using software and it is not an audio interface..
But u can get killer tones out of it
Guitars: Ibanez Prestige S5470, Ibanez Jem 7v, Ibanez JS2410, PRS SE Custom24, Cort  Ltd G16, Ibanez RG370Ahmz,
MultiFX: Roland GR55, Zoom 1on, BOSS GT00
Loopers: Digitech trio+, Line 6 JM4
MIDI:, MAudio Axiom24 keyboard, Alesis IO Dock with iPad air 2

cell7

Quote from: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 07:31:50 AM
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg29292#msg29292
That ecosystem can get pricey since you buy your effects ala cart from the Zoom IOS App via iTunes. and it lack the new effects models found in the new MS-70CDR

It seems to be a common misconception about the MS100BT that it is an empty shell like the digitech istomp. It isnt - It actually contains 92 effects built in [the g3 has 94], but there are another 50-odd effects so far that can be downloaded from the app at 99c a pop - ONLY for the ms100bt. I have downloaded 5 in total [so 5 bucks], and they are the specific bass synth FX that only come with the B3, and the Klon Centaur that is not available on any other pedal. So in total i have spent US$104 and I have a customized pedal with my extra choice of effects. I would also be willing to bet that the new ms70cdr effects will show up for 99c each on the ms100bt pretty soon as the list gets updated every few weeks  :)

Toby Krebs

Thanks myksara. It would work for me too at exactly those small gigs. I don't need it to do much. Just be a stand in for my HD300 because it's too big. Alongside the GR55 and a Talk Box I just like to have something always available to get a lead tone or two out of.

Elantric

QuoteI would also be willing to bet that the new ms70cdr effects will show up for 99c each on the ms100bt pretty soon as the list gets updated every few weeks

Let us know if that occurs.

Elantric


cell7

Quote from: Elantric on August 12, 2013, 04:42:39 PM
Let us know if that occurs.

FYI Zoom has updated the BT stompshare app and a whole bunch of the MS70cr effects are now in there for free [flerb, the strymons, timefactor, m9 particle verb etc] along with a bunch of bass amps. Did i mention the new FX are currently free?

jannugimes

I like the idea of zoom. But, it's too sad that ms-70cdr don't have any compressor & clean amp simulator. If so, we can mix analog drive with ms-70cdr in recoding and at live !!!

rcf1956

#13
I have the MS70CDR and the MS100BT. There can't be many effects models left that are unique to the MS70CDR; a couple or so delay models and the MangleSp reverb ...and it's probably only a matter of time before these are available for the MS100BT via the stompshare shop.

I love these pedals and I love how they use AA battery power. They will also drive a pair of headphones via an adapter for portable use; levels of the final effect in the chain need to be kept fairly high for this. If I need a little more headphone volume I use a little cheapo Fiio E06 headphone amp.

I always loved the Boss Defretter model in the GT effects series; I'm having fun making synth-like patches using the Zoom Defretter and BendCho effects with suitable ambient delays / reverbs ...not keen on the inbuilt synth models. I am hoping for a firmware update which would allow for a few more patch slots; 50 is too few for all the effects combinations on offer. I am also considering the new Zoom G1on for the the 30 sec looper, and for it's 20 hours use with 4x AA batteries. Only five effects in a chain though.

Elantric

#14
Finally testing out the MS-70CDR,

It has MUCH lower background noise than the noisy MS-100BT - by a factor of 10!


But These Zoom Stomp pedals are a tough cookie to navigate  (Compared to the wonderful Zoom G3, G3X) - 

With the MS-70CDR, its a classic case of "too many features, too little user controls",

And even in Bypass, I hear a slight Tremolo effect which I tracked down is being generated by the MS-70CDR in Bypass - disappointing.

ITL

I was wondering if anyone has used or has experience with the Zoom MS70CDR?  If so, what has been your experience in terms of usability and sound quality?  I am looking for a compact pedal to supplement my Guitalele ( a six string ukulele).  Don't really need amp modeling or distortion.  I like the EVENTIDE H9, but it is pricey.  Thought the Zoom might do the trick a a reasonable price point.  Any thoughts...?
http://www.zoom.co.jp/products/ms-70cdr/features/
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Elantric

Read above.
I just wish these zoom pedals had a jack for external ctrl pedal.
Too many features / too few controls to access them and actually use them effectively.

cell7

Quote from: Elantric on September 07, 2014, 09:48:49 AM
Read above.
I just wish these zoom pedals had a jack for external ctrl pedal.
Too many features / too few controls to access them and actually use them effectively.

Completely agree - bang for the buck is awesome, but ability to use all the features is severely limited. Ive been thinking about ways to hack the interface of the BT-100 but i dont think its worth my time unfortunately.

Smash

Just bought one of these to provide some air and slight EQ for my LR Baggs Lyric pup - haven't actually got round to trying it with that yet as I got completely lost in the world of particle reverb and came up with the following after discovering it can do a very good slow gear impression:

Effect block 1: Slow Attack Delay: Time=1 FB=0 Mix=100 Depth=33 Swell=38 Mode=Mono
Effect Block 2: Particle Reverb: Dwell=54 Gain=84 Mode= STBL Mix = 100 Mono=OFF

The above works particularly well with a 12 string emulation

Poor man's Strymon  :D



Elantric

http://lawrencedoss.blogspot.com/2014/08/my-tryst-with-hacking-zoom-ms-70cdr.html

My tryst with hacking a Zoom MS-70CDR
You feel like kicking yourself when you know you have a great piece of equipment, with the most amazing sounds but the usability is downright hard...KICK KICK KICK
I picked up the Zoom-MS70CDR and instantly fell in love with it.. the sheer size of it,  for that much amount of power is actually insane... it is so small that it snugly fits in to any small sized pedal board. But the only draw back of this device is the usability.. it is not very good to say the least..
I wrote to Zoom and asked them if they plan to change anything about the usability, I gave them some suggestions too, but they came back with ..

Dear Sir,
Thank you for your suggestion.

We do not want a price boost by the increase in functions and the chips for the converter. Anyway your opinion has been noted. We will forward your email to person in charge for future reference.
Sincerely yours,

ZOOM Corporation <<

I kinda felt.. okkkkkkkkkk... I understand..
Being the electronics freak, I wondered, can I hack this little unit...  :)  the mere thought brought a smile....
So began my tryst....
I first tried a bunch of things and then when I read their manual. it said something like the USB port can be used only for upgrading the firmware...I thought if there could be someway that the unit can respond to something.. I tried various things but then I found out it was responding to MIDI..ah .. Now things got a little interesting... I connected my laptop and started sending in MIDI messages to see, if they respond to something (the old hacking trick) and then it did.. I jumped off my seat... All I had to do was to see what MIDI signals to send to get the unit to do what I want...
The rest was pretty simple (at least to write it down.. :) )
I noted down what midi messages that I should send and then dusted off my trusty old Arduino...(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arduino), started coding and with some help from the giants in Arduino, MIDI and USB.. I was all set..

Some notable people that I want to acknowledge are (they  shared their libraries)
(Oleg Mazurov - www.CircuitsatHome.com)
(Yuuichi Akagawa -https://github.com/YuuichiAkagawa )
(Kristian Lauszus - http://blog.tkjelectronics.dk/)








Project details:
Description / goal
Control the patches in the 70 CDR via a foot controller.
In the 70 CDR if you have for e.g. 6 patches... you need to go from 1, 2, 3, .....6, 1...
What I wanted is have a foot controller with like 4 switches to choose 4 patches.. and one bank switch to choose between 2 banks (giving me 8 patch switching with 2 foot presses)
I also wanted to disengage a patch and make it bypassed if needed.

Rough idea
Have 4 N/O switches for patch selection (I have used some cheap switches that I get a hold off.. I am yet to get my metal switches.
Have 1 DPDT latching switch for bank select
Press the patch switch to enable the required patch and when pressed again, it should be in bypass mode. (like any other analogue pedal)
When choosing the patch, you check the bank switch and choose a patch based on that...
Have LED indicators to indicate whether you are on BANK A or BANK B and corresponding PATCH LED (ON- When engaged and OFF - When disengaged)

Components used:
1. Arduino UNO (had to pick up a new one - http://www.explorelabs.com/)
2. USB host shield (had to pick up new one - http://hacktronics.co.in/, the one that I bought from Bhashatech, did not quite work here)
3. All other hardware's like switches, LEDs, wires, connectors, etc





sixeight

I am considering buying a Zoom MS70-CDR. But I would like to know if sysex has been implemented to it.

Could someone with an MS70-CDR connect it to a Windows computer, install Bomes Send SX from here: https://www.bome.com/products/sendsx/downloads and send the following MIDI code to the unit:

F0 7E 00 06 01 F7

And check if you get an answer.

If you get an answer and you read my info about the ZOOM G3 here: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=4329.msg131444;topicseen#msg131444, you are be able to find the model number of the MS70-CDR and send some more messages to it.

If the ms70cdr responds to sysex, it should be possible to develop an editor for it, and I can make the VController compatible.

sixeight

Bump. Can someone do a little experiment for me?  See previous post.