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Offline cags12

Re: QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller
« Reply #75 on: August 16, 2017, 11:40:25 AM »
That is far superior to trusting opinions on a forum!  You can also try the Yamaha MD-BT01:

https://usa.yamaha.com/products/music_production/accessories/md-bt01/index.html
Well in this case I was looking for a fact check (yes or not) as opposed to an opinion. But yes, I get it sometimes is better to just try yourself :). Good thing is not that much expensive.

Yeah, I am aware of that Yamaha one but it is considerable bigger than the mi.1, fitting it inside the guitar it will much more difficult.

Thank you for your help.

Offline cags12

Re: QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller
« Reply #76 on: August 16, 2017, 11:44:45 AM »
By the way, which computer are you planning on using with the BLE MIDI?

Mainly with an iPad but for the Software manager and editing presets it would be a Windows 10 (anniversary update or later) computer.

Because two mi.1 cannot be connected to each other, I am also considering getting the Primova MIDIX (as host) and CME WIDI-Bud (as adapter) with the mi.1 (as accessory) so I can connect the guitar to a foot controller and others through all that equipment. Just thinking it is a lot of money for going full wireless.

Offline cags12

Re: QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller
« Reply #77 on: August 16, 2017, 11:49:05 AM »
I suspect there is no direct connection between the AT-200B MIDI OUT connector and pin 1 of the 8-pin connector because there may be some circuitry in between, perhaps an opto isolator.  You could easily confirm that by checking for continuity between the two.

I suspect the same. You can easily tell that the audio of pin-8 does not flow if the AT-200B is un-powered. This makes me wonder, why so much circuitry on the AT-200B + FCC compliance charges + hassle if they could simply implement a simple passive  breakout box (excluding the upstream power-line) as shown below. I do not know really.!!

Ignoring the iRig stuffs of course.
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Offline cags12

Re: QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller
« Reply #78 on: August 16, 2017, 12:08:50 PM »
IMHO the  CME WIDI-Bud is nothing more than a rebadged BLE 4.1 USB stick
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https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/bluetooth-4-1-usb-dongle-bluetooth_60615248810.html?spm=a2700.7724857.main07.45.2bd139751kjco5


More details
http://www.cme-pro.com/forum-index/topic/does-the-widi-bud-work-with-other-bluetooth-midi-devices/

Thank you Elantric - Are you certain about this?  AFAIK the Widi-Bud also adds driver-less MIDI over Bluetooth support to any USB compliant host. That BLE stick I believe is the bare bones of Bluetooth LE and do not provide MIDI over BLE support. The whole reason why other devices (android, windows) took longer to catch up with apple. Or am I missing something here?

Offline Elantric

Re: QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller
« Reply #79 on: August 16, 2017, 12:16:38 PM »
Thank you Elantric - Are you certain about this?  AFAIK the Widi-Bud also adds driver-less MIDI over Bluetooth support to any USB compliant host. That BLE stick I believe is the bare bones of Bluetooth LE and do not provide MIDI over BLE support. The whole reason why other devices (android, windows) took longer to catch up with apple. Or am I missing something here?

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AFAIK the Widi-Bud also adds driver-less MIDI over Bluetooth support to any USB compliant host.


That remains to be seen ( I have no experience with it )

You might be right ;)

Worth reading for a list of Wireless MIDI compatible BLE USB Dongles 
http://www.voxamps.com/uploads/SupportPage_Downloads/BluetoothMIDI_Q_A_en.pdf

http://www.voxamps.com/uploads/SupportPage_Downloads/VOX_BT_Driver_E1.pdf


http://www.cme-pro.com/forum-index/topic/does-the-widi-bud-work-with-other-bluetooth-midi-devices/
According to CME Support, the WIDI BUD  supports "MIDI BLE" only - no Audio BLE or file sharing over BLE 


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_Low_Energy

the WIDI BUD  main purpose is to support wireless connections for the CME XKey Air wireless MIDI keyboard on Windows
http://www.cme-pro.com/forum-index/



https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1245249-REG/cme_widi_bud_bluetooth.html
The WIDI BUD from CME is a convenient and reliable way to connect the company's Xkey Air Bluetooth MIDI keyboard to a Mac-, Windows-, or Linux-based computer, or iOS-, Android- and Chrome-based devices. The low-energy Bluetooth adapter is USB 2.0 and 3.0 compliant, does not require additional drivers to function, and utilizes "minimized latency" Bluetooth technology to eliminate time lag.
Automatic pairing with Xkey Air keyboards
Reduces Bluetooth latency
Optimized for MIDI connectivity
Plug and play
Bluetooth 4.0 is written into the WIDI BUD firmware, especially useful for older computers that don't support the latest capability
Dongle connects with all other Bluetooth MIDI devices, including the Korg microKEY Air, nanoKEY studio, Jamstik+, Yamaha MD-BT01/UD-BT-01, Roland A-01, etc.
Connect multiple WIDI BUDs



« Last Edit: August 16, 2017, 03:08:27 PM by admsustainiac »

Offline cags12

Re: QuiccoSound mi.1 Bluetooth MIDI Controller
« Reply #80 on: October 12, 2017, 04:57:18 PM »

You have identified the issue

Quiccosound mi.1. works with ATG-1 floor unit

However the AT-200 or ATG Internal kit will require a modification to supply more current to the mi.1
Here are the AT200 / ATG Internal Luthier 8 pin DIN signals
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ATG DIN 8 Pinout
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ATG DIN Pin1  = MIDI OUT+
ATG DIN Pin2  = GROUND
ATG DIN Pin3  = MIDI OUT-
ATG DIN Pin4  = MIDI IN+
ATG DIN Pin5  = MIDI IN-
ATG DIN Pin6  = Input for External Voltage (+9VDC)
ATG DIN Pin7  = Input for External Voltage Ground Reference
ATG DIN Pin8  = spare( not connected)

Observe Pin #8 is a spare (N.C)

The "hack" involves a modification to the MIDI OUT+ to the mi.1, to supply +5VDC with sufficient current for the mi.1

Now examine the typical MIDI Hardware Interface below (that has existed essentially unchanged for 30 years)
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The mi.1 gets it power from pin # 4 (MIDI OUT+) of the typical 5 pin DIN MIDI Output from the connected device.

Observe the 220 ohm resistor on the lower right which is connected to +5VDC

This is the area where the internal ATG kit required a modification to supply +5VDC to the mi.1


Review the ATG FAQ
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=16061.0

The AT200 / ATG Internal kit relies upon an external box to convert the ATG 8 pin DIN to 5pin DIN MIDI  I/O
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http://stagecue.com/at200b.html

This shows the AT200-B box circuit - ( yes its confusing due to the indicated IK iRigMIDI integration  - try to ignore that as its not needed for our purpose) 
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Solution is obtain a new source for delivering +5VDC with sufficient current for the mi.1

It's not plug & play- requires hacking


Here is a custom adapter for debugging
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Solution to this issue with no Major Hack:
http://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=21951.msg158326#msg158326