VG-99 - Accordian?

Started by G, February 15, 2013, 07:31:36 PM

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G

I'm having a heck of a time trying to get an accordian sound.

I know how to get the play style down, but something about getting that soft smooth featheryness is escaping me.

So I bring it to the VG whizzes once more!  Any ideas where to start?

GeePeeAxe

I have 1 accordion patch that works partially. Based on the "wave-synth" engine,
with poly compression (because of sustain) and an added higher octave plus detuning
for some kind of chorus effect.

Check it out!

Djordje

papabuss

Thx for posting, djordje!
I will have a look at it asap. :)
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

G

GeePeeAxe, this is a fantastic patch!  Exactly what I was looking for!!!

I just added a tiny bit of Slow Gear to get that slight bit of attack that accordeons have. 

Papabuss let me know what you do with it too

papabuss

#4
A good start, but I have of course some better GR 55-accordion patches in mind. I think it's very difficult to get the typical accordion sound with the VG99.
Nevertheless thx or sharing.
P.S. What about posting a mp3? Then I could understand better what special accordeon-sound you were looking for. :)
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

Bill Ruppert

I thought I got a good one years ago...
I remember just off setting the pitch of the A and B channels by a micro tone.
It had a very reed like sound.

GeePeeAxe

Accordeons are very compex instruments. My wife has one and
she hate everything synthetic that pretends to be an accordeon.
I like some mustisampled versions, they are so far good for accompaniments.
For soli it is very hard to create one. I hear it often in the east-south part of
Europe and believe that they are not easy to replace with VGs or synths.
Square wave came as closest to me. There's a lot of place for experiments
with chorus(es), detuning and pitch-shifting. Compression will be also
needed, to keep the level more constant (than a plucked string).

G

Geepeeaxe:  amazing suggestions!  I will keep tweaking with what you said in mind!

aliensporebomb

I got in the neighborhood by using a slow attack with the wave model - - it kind of sounded like a weird hybrid between a pump organ and an accordion.  It was dependent on picking pressure, where you were playing on the neck and how I was playing.  Another one that I started out with an organ sound and ended up with a hybrid pump organ/accordion sound.  I may work on that one again.
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GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

G

hey aliensporebomb, would like to hear the results  of that  !

papabuss

As I posted before it's an "easier job" for the GR 55.
A good accordian patch is difficult to create with the VG99.
I gonna make and post my ideas with a GR patch soon. ;)

FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

rolandvg99

#11
Had a little go at the accordion this morning using suggestions from Djordje, Bill and Todd. Accordion 2 is used in the demo. The ones you buy in toy stores sound better than this, but nevertheless...  8)

Accordion DEMO
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aliensporebomb

Something about what you were playing made me laugh.  Great!  But yeah, it sounds like a fake toy accordion you'd buy for a kid.  That could be useful for soundtrack work!  I could see you playing it in an avant-jazz ensemble.
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GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

rolandvg99

Quote from: aliensporebomb on June 20, 2013, 05:04:24 AM
Something about what you were playing made me laugh...


Yup. Something childishly banal about it and those sudden glitches makes it even more so.  ;D
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Bill Ruppert

I thought I got a good one years ago...
I remember just off setting the pitch of the A and B channels by a micro tone.
It had a very reed like sound.

Patch is long gone...about 5 years ago.
This was one of the recordings

Kevin M

Quote from: Bill Ruppert on June 20, 2013, 10:52:31 AM
I thought I got a good one years ago...
I remember just off setting the pitch of the A and B channels by a micro tone.
It had a very reed like sound.

Patch is long gone...about 5 years ago.
This was one of the recordings

Sounds like playing technique is a big part of nailing the sound; something a patch wouldn't show anyway!  :-)

G

Bill is always so helpful, yet just that ever slight bit unhelpful :D

G

and rolandvg99, again, i say, KING OF VG, what a great toy accordian like tone!

Kevin M

Quote from: G on June 20, 2013, 11:30:05 AM
Bill is always so helpful, yet just that ever slight bit unhelpful :D

That topic has been discussed ad nauseam.  Let's all please be nice and respectful!  :-)

Bill Ruppert

#19
Well yes you have to play in the idiom!
For the accordion its all broad strokes as the reed attack is so slow.
That reed doesn't start to vibrate until after the air has moved it.
Plus think bellows getting pulled in and out. Its like taking a breath and they phrase around that.
Here is another.
I think it might have bee a detuned pair of the organ cosm..?


Quote from: kmaus10 on June 20, 2013, 11:23:26 AM
Sounds like playing technique is a big part of nailing the sound; something a patch wouldn't show anyway!  :-)

aliensporebomb

#20
When I hear Bill's samples I mentally picture the accordion player moving the bellows - the VG totally paints pictures in your head of what it's not.  You can hear that slow attack and the sort of very microtonally detuned double note effect he talks about.  Right on!

I love the fast melody on the first example - that's flatpicking for sure but it sure sounds like an accordion players hands dancing above the keys!  Very... Beatlesesque. 

G:  Nothing is stopping you from programming this - I think I'll give it a shot myself.  Bill also had a patch that was an awesome steel pans thing.  I tried to duplicate it and in doing it made a huge discovery in terms of how to get a great distorted guitar sound that felt like a tube amp.  How did searching for a steel pans sound result in a great tube amp feel/sound?  The VG is just like that!  It sometimes sidetracks you.  But I eventually go back to what I was searching for in the first place.

Like the guitar the VG is the endless puzzle or the christmas present that never gets boring!
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

aliensporebomb

Quote from: G on June 19, 2013, 11:35:03 AM
hey aliensporebomb, would like to hear the results  of that  !

I'll work on it - I figure I should be able to do a better job now than I did then.  Picture the sound as a block of concrete and chip away all the concrete that isn't the sound!
My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

rolandvg99

Added a third "toy". :)
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papabuss

When I think of accordeon patches I have sounds like these in mind. Of course there are all the good French, Russian, Italian accordeon versions available....

Are we really talking about getting a sound like this?
FENDER STRATOCASTER (1974); BRIAN MAY RED SPECIAL; VG 99; GR 55; Yamaha DX 7

Music was my first love and it will be my last (JOHN MILES)

G

I did make my own accordian patch months ago when I originally posted this for advice, but I'm too shy to post patches here actually, I haven't posted any yet.  So I guess Bill and I are very similar in a way!  No offense intended  ;D