Digitech Trio / Digitech Trio Plus

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Mediaman

I started a ready reference site for the TRIO : http://trio.mediamanhost.com/.   Work in progress.
GT-100 Ready Reference Page : http://gt100.mediamanhost.com
TRIO Ready Reference Page : http://trio.mediamanhost.com

Fusion

I've had my Trio for a month or so now and issues became apparent to me for the aspect of one's playing style.
I am not anything like a strum rhythm player which all comes out country to me. I play heavy fusion but no country of any type just not my thing.

I find that I simply cannot play anything complex into the unit while I am improvising or I get some pattern that just has nothing to do with my riffs.
I discovered you really have to dumb down on the teaching mode to get more accurate progression and follow. It does not take chords to teach and all this camp fire folk strum rhythm stuff, if that is what you do then have at it. Demos I see seem to be aimed a the more novice player, running a drum machine into my guitar rig makes me cringe at the thought.
I find if you just give it the root notes of your progression and very simplified chords if you are doing a minor key. I almost always have to alter the tempo and sometimes the suggested pattern mode. The wonderful thing about the unit for me is any change you make to what it comes up with gets retained so you can alter the tempo on everything to match which I find in general what it comes up with is way too fast. It also retains the last taught patterns in the unit from power off to power back on.
It is a great unit and a wonderful technology but I feel it fair to warn that it is not going to do what you expect and yet will surprise you in its complexity and auto variant.
If you leave the pattern playing, it is not a monotonous drum loop, it alters the end turn around and changes cymbal patterns or high hat each time it goes through the loop so the boredom of a drum loop is avoided. It changes drum sets with each genre as well. There is more to it than seems from most demos, you can take it to a higher level of usage and fidelity if that is your thing.

Playing drums, programming them and fooling with DAW whatnot is not my thing, I do not have that sort of gear and not sure I want to even deal with it. More time from playing guitar. I have no desire to sit in front of a PC DAW messing with drums and so forth. Programming drums drives me batty. The Trio has the potential to lift that burden off the guitarist.

I have only noticed the "effects" are a low and higher gain OD on the guitar which I never use.
If you really want this to sound amazing tap the stereo out feeds (keep volume knob about half or so) into a better PA style rig. I also use a BBE on mine which adds to the high end cymbal resonance and drum kick low end. I use an A/B/Y on my guitar signal so my std guitar sound does not go through my guitar rig it runs through my full range GR-55 EV rig which has 15s. Puppy is very loud and full sounding if you want it to be.
Mine runs out of the headphone out using a split adapter 3.5mm stereo jack into stereo L/R 1/4" into my BBE and then into my little Mackie Mixer which converts the unbalanced TS signal from the TRIO and lines from the GR-55 into balanced TRS lines out to my powered EV-15 monsters. My std guitar splits at a front of board A/B/Y which is killed when the Trio is not being taught.
It will be amazing as they progress with new versions of this technology like being able to store and recall patterns.
"Long ago in days of old when magic filled the air..."

aliensporebomb

#52
Well that's depressing.  I was hoping it would be able to do some of the angular or weirder stuff I do and respond on the fly live.  It can probably do some things well and like any new technology iteration there are snags.

Maybe try this?  Garageband on the Mac has a "Drummer" feature where you can tell it to create a drum part (with a knob for "little fills" to "lots of fills" and some other controls for types of cymbals and toms you want) based on a part being played.  There are even drum "personalities" (these two were done with the "Anders" personality):

So I told it to create a part based on the bass part here:
https://soundcloud.com/aliensporebomb/033-test-pods-obie-saws-2

I told it to create one based on the chordal guitar/synth part here:
https://www.reverbnation.com/aliensporebomb/song/23932567-negotiating-the-periphery

You record the part you want, assign drums to the next adjacent open track, pick the drummer you want, tell it to base the part on a particular track in the tune and bam it's done.

Both of these pieces took just minutes to create.  As a result I'm playing more guitar and composing more - I use to spend hours programming a drum part to create a suitable performance.  No more.  My time is much more productive as a result.


My music projects online at http://www.aliensporebomb.com/

GK Devices:  Roland VG-99, Boss GP-10, Boss SY-1000.

tracy

I have been bemoaning the lack of MIDI on the Trio but this may be a solution, at least for my application. I just want to sync tempo with Ableton Live.

Check out  the new BeatSeeker for Ableton Live.

http://www.synthtopia.com/content/2015/08/28/beatseeker-syncs-ableton-live-to-live-drumming/
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utensil

Any way of converting the blinking led into a midi clock signal as this would allow syncing with external devices?

Elantric

Might be able to use a Teensy 3.0 and use a photocell to detect the flashing LED

https://forum.pjrc.com/threads/26918-Midi-clock-signals

Chumly

I like my Trio very much and simply recognize that it has limitations. In truth all music has been produced in the context of what some would critique as limitations.  An obvious example is the  simplistic nature of early drum machines spawning genres of music (for better or worse well that's subjective!).

Consider: the Trio is fully self-contained hardware/firmware, no computer is needed, no audio interface is needed, it's inexpensive., it's very small, it's very rugged, it can sit on the floor, it does not need an external foot-switch (albeit has a jack to add the FS3X).

Try putting your laptop on the floor, directly plugging your guitar into it, and stomping on it (ill-advised at best!). To compare it to computer-based systems that can also supply some sort of self-accompaniment does not do the Trio justice.  I have no expectation of it knocking the crown off a full hardware/software setup such as Ableton, BIAB, et al. and that in no way diminishes it value to me.
I think it's much more interesting to live not knowing than to have answers which might be wrong. - Richard P. Feynman

tracy

Played around with a Trio, Ableton Live, BeatSeeker setup and I did get Live synced up with the Trio. It requires some fancy footwork and forethought but it does work.

It works well for syncing up Guitar Rig delays to the beat driven by the Trio. The Live Looper is not as easy to get synced and it doesn't like any drastic temp changes at all.

More to come.
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nervoteso

i would like to use trio in combination with voicelive 3 also for recordin drums on vl 3 looper. but if i put trio before vl3 using its input drums are affected by vl3 effects. how can i do? if i used a mixer how could i connect trio?

mordecai

Not tried to take a third input into my VL3 into the looper but I am wondering if there would be a setting where you would put looper to only listen to a certain input, like "AUX" where the Trio is plugged in. The manual is pretty large but there is input and routing information in there. If I have time today I will dig around. Craig @ TC forums is really good about helping out too. 

admin

Related content for Digitech TRIO

QuoteA panel of music and technology experts came together at the 2015 NAMM Show to discuss the future of music creation and the collaboration process. This video features Peter Lupini of HARMAN Canada explaining the conception of the DigiTech TRIO Band Creator pedal. See the DigiTech TRIO/WholeWorldBand video at the 04:43 mark and Peter talking about how the TRIO helps guitarists experience the joy of playing with a band and using the TRIO as a launch pad to form musical ideas and build excitement about collaborating with other musicians.

Over the past 25 years, we've seen recording move from the professional studio to the project studio, from the project studio to the home, and the home to the mobile device. At the same time, we've seen radical shifts in the monetization of music and surrounding industries. On this panel, we will explore what is next for the creator, the developer and the marketplace.
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17117.new#new

admin

#61
New

http://NAMM 2016: New on the market: DigiTech Trio + companion volume pedal with Looper
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NAMM 2016: Neu auf dem Markt: DigiTech Trio+ Begleitband-Pedal mit Looper
Picture: provided by DigiTech
The TRIO + combines the features of the original TRIO-pedal with a looper and a number of other features.
Even the DigiTech TRIO + remembers the well-established guitar chords and their rhythm and generates automatically drum and bass accompaniments for one complete song. However, the TRIO + is also capable of the rehearsed guitar to loop in addition and customize these loops. The loops are also stored.
Here are the figures:
Advanced Styles (incl. Metal)
FX send / FX Return to implement the effects pedals
Genre and Style can be saved with
Simplified Bass
Automatic drum and bass accompaniment tracks
Built-in synchronized Looper
Multiple songs with Part-Sequencing
SD card slot for finished songs "to go"
A 9V DC power supply is included. The original trio DigiTech pedal remains available which require no Looper for all guitarists.
The DigiTech TRIO + is available from the end of February 2016 and the recommended retail price (RRP) amounts to € 352.82.


The recommended retail price (RRP) amounts to € 352.82.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ueuro%20to%20dolloa
$382.11

admin

QuoteI called this one last year.  Shame they didn't add dedicated outputs for bass vs. drums.

I want one anyway. :)  Has anyone heard anything about price?

The recommended retail price (RRP) amounts to € 352.82.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=ueuro%20to%20dolloa
$382.11

Elantric

http://digitech.com/en-US

http://digitech.com/en-US/products/trio-plus

The TRIO+ is a simple-to-use guitar pedal that listens to the way you play and automatically generates bass and drum parts that match your song. Just plug your guitar into the TRIO+, press the Band footswitch to teach the TRIO+ your chords and rhythm, then press the Band footswitch again to start playing with your own personal band! Bass and drum levels can be adjusted for the perfect mix using the TRIO+'s Bass and Drums knobs. The TRIO+ also features a Simple Bass button lets you select between 3 bass line modes for busy or simple bass lines.

Pushing the Band Creator™ paradigm further, the TRIO+ also allows you to loop and custom sequence your looped guitar parts to create full songs on the fly. Press the TRIO+'s Looper footswitch to record a loop along with an unlimited number of overdubs. The Loop level can be individually controlled using the TRIO+'s Loop knob. Loops can be recorded by themselves, operating just like a traditional looper, or along with the band. You can also apply built-in effects to your guitar signal by enabling the TRIO+'s Guitar FX button, or connect your favorite effects to the TRIO+'s FX Send and FX Return jacks.

The TRIO+ provides 12 music genres to choose from including: Blues, R&B, Rock, Alternative Rock, Metal, Pop, Electronic Pop, Hip-Hop, Country, Folk, Latin, and Jazz. 12 song styles are available for each genre and can be selected using the TRIO+'s Style encoder, including selection between 3/4 and 4/4 time signatures. Multi-colored LEDs around the TRIO+'s Style encoder indicate which styles best match your song.

The TRIO+ can learn up to 5 different song parts, perfect for creating an intro, verse, chorus, bridge and outro. Song parts can be recalled on-the-fly as the song plays back or pre-programmed as a sequence for automated playback. An optional DigiTech FS3X Footswitch can be connected to the TRIO+'s Control In jack for additional handsfree control with 3 modes of operation to select from.

Up to 12 songs along with loops can be stored to the TRIO+'s Micro SD Card (included). Need to create more songs? No problem. Just insert a new SD Card and you're ready to start teaching the band your new songs. To manage all your songs and loops on a computer, download the free Librarian Manager software from digitech.com, available for Windows® and Mac®.

The TRIO+ offers independent Tempo, Genre, Style, Loop Level, Bass Level, Drums Level, Headphone Output Level controls; Guitar, FX Return and Control Inputs;Amplifier, Mixer, FX Send and Headphone Outputs; Built-in Guitar Effects (relative to music genre); a Soft Click Footswitch and includes a 9V DC adapter.



Features
12 Music Genres To Choose From
12 Styles Selectable Per Genre
Can Learn Up To 5 Different Parts Per Song
Programmable Song Part Intensities For Creating Song Dynamics
Programmable Song Part Sequencer
3 Bass Line Modes
Built-in Looper With Unlimited Overdubs
Adjustable Tempo With Audiolastic Time Stretching & Quick Selection Of Alternate Time Interpretation
Independently Adjustable Level Controls For Bass, Drums, & Loops
Built-In Guitar Effects Designed For Each Genre
Amp & Mixer Outputs
FX Loop For Connecting External Effect Pedals
1/8" (3.5 mm) Mini Headphone Output With Headphone Level Control
Up To 12 Songs With Loops Can Be Stored To A Micro SD Card (Included)
Additional Hands-Free Control Available Using An Optional DigiTech FS3X Footswitch
Dual Soft Touch Vacuum Switches
Rugged Design
Included Power Adapter
Manuals/Documentation


http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/3738_1453332231/TrioPlus_Manual_5064509-A_original.pdf

http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/3729_1452288323/TrioPlus_Quick_Start_5064507-A_original.pdf

Elantric


VGA-7

Cool, thanks for the post ! I've got the "TRIO" and love it but now they put the icing on the cake!
Gibson L6S /gk2a , Bradley mini strat  /gk2a VGA-7 amp ,GR-33 , GP-10,SY1K, RMC breakout box, PK5 midi pedals,CM-64 sound module, Oberheim EDP  ,Boss RC-300,Digitech TRIO and TRIO +, Alesis DM5, GX2 Gear Shifter and GKPX-14

supernicd

Have been looking at the posts about new gear from NAMM 16, and this Trio+ is floating to the top of my wish list.  This is really looking like a top notch songwriting and practice tool.  I have other software that can do similar functions, but the ease of use, variety of styles, and accuracy is what's striking me about this.

Hope to see a demo of the PC or Mac software that comes with it soon, and whether that's just for ease of sequencing or if there are other features unlocked with it.
Strat w/ GK-3, Godin LGXT
VG-99, GR-55, GP-10
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Elantric

Quoteand accuracy is what's striking me about this.

the Digitech Trio bass lines are Still too random for me

I prefer the Beatbuddy

supernicd

QuoteI prefer the Beatbuddy

Hmm, that's another interesting option.  Looks like the Beatbuddy has some nice performance features, and I definitely like that you can add to the patterns and kits sounds that are in there.
Strat w/ GK-3, Godin LGXT
VG-99, GR-55, GP-10
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tracy

#69
Quote from: Elantric on January 26, 2016, 12:25:17 PM
the Digitech Trio bass lines are Still too random for me

DigiTech says that many complained about the bass. They have added a button on top of the Triio+ labeled SIMPLE BASS that they say "fixes that issue."

I just hope the USB port allows for MIDI tempo sync with other stuff. I haven't found out yet what it does. I really like my Trio. If this one does sync I will buy it immediately. If not, I will likely pass.
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Elantric

#70
QuoteI just hope the USB port allows for MIDI tempo sync with other stuff. I haven't found out yet what it does.

The Digitech Trio+ Owners Manual is here
http://rdn.harmanpro.com/product_documents/documents/3738_1453332231/TrioPlus_Manual_5064509-A_original.pdf

The Digitech Trio's USB port is used for updating the TRIO+'s firmware and connecting to the free TRIO Manager
Software. See 'TRIO Manager Software/Firmware Updates' on page 57 for more information.


( there is no MIDI Clock over USB possible)

tracy

Quote from: Elantric on January 26, 2016, 04:40:49 PM
( there is no MIDI Clock over USB possible)

I see. Too bad. Maybe it could be added with a firmware update? Probably not. Likely not many people have asked for this feature.

I will probably buy one anyway  :)
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mbenigni


supernicd

So pardon my ignorance here - MIDI Clock slave, while always a welcome feature on just about anything, doesn't seem like it would be all that useful on this device given that it is geared at listening to guitar and detecting tempo from what is played.

What would be a practical use case for MIDI clock sync?  I guess after you teach it your song, you could potentially sync tempo from your DAW to record some other parts.  Is that it?
Strat w/ GK-3, Godin LGXT
VG-99, GR-55, GP-10
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tracy

#74
Quote from: SuperNiCd on January 28, 2016, 08:27:42 AM
So pardon my ignorance here - MIDI Clock slave, while always a welcome feature on just about anything, doesn't seem like it would be all that useful on this device given that it is geared at listening to guitar and detecting tempo from what is played.

What would be a practical use case for MIDI clock sync?  I guess after you teach it your song, you could potentially sync tempo from your DAW to record some other parts.  Is that it?

Yes, sync with DAW, an elaborate Ableton system I'm already running, as well as beatsync with guitar modulation effects.

More as tempo master than slave. So I guess I'm asking for clock out rather than sync? Sorry that I don't speak midi fluently. :)

sync with the other loopers I am already using in my setup. Last one not as important now but nice to have.
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