Set List Maker - Lyrics and MIDI Patch change control setup

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Elantric

#50
Glad to hear you got it running

Following the same logic of Litesnsirens post on 1st page of this thread
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9090.msg65827#msg65827

And reading Big-Jims "Setlistmaker patch decoder" Excel spreadsheet:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9090.0;attach=8749

Text version is here:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9090.msg81484#msg81484

Setlistmaker IOS MIDI control of GR-55 Patch changes - Step by step 


To have the current SetlistMaker song take you to GR-55 patch "09-1"

Enter this in Setlistmaker's MIDI config screen

Bank MSB = 00
Bank LSB= 00
Program = 24

(as shown here)


--

To have current SetlistMaker song take you to GR-55 patch "94-2"

Enter this in Setlistmaker:

Bank MSB = 02
Bank LSB= 00
Program = 24



Elantric

"SetListMaker to GR-55 User Patch translator"

MSB-LSB-Program = GR-55 User Patch#                                          
--------------------------------------
00   00   00           01-1                                          
00   00   01           01-2                                          
00   00   02           01-3                                          
00   00   03           02-1                                          
00   00   04           02-2                                          
00   00   05           02-3                                          
00   00   06           03-1                                          
00   00   07           03-2                                          
00   00   08           03-3                                          
00   00   09           04-1                                          
00   00   10           04-2                                          
00   00   11           04-3                                          
00   00   12           05-1                                          
00   00   13           05-2                                          
00   00   14           05-3                                          
00   00   15           06-1                                          
00   00   16           06-2                                          
00   00   17           06-3                                          
00   00   18           07-1                                          
00   00   19           07-2                                          
00   00   20           07-3                                          
00   00   21           08-1                                          
00   00   22           08-2                                          
00   00   23           08-3                                          
00   00   24           09-1                                          
00   00   25           09-2                                          
00   00   26           09-3                                          
00   00   27           10-1                                          
00   00   28           10-2                                          
00   00   29           10-3                                          
00   00   30           11-1                                          
00   00   31           11-2                                          
00   00   32           11-3                                          
00   00   33           12-1                                          
00   00   34           12-2                                          
00   00   35           12-3                                          
00   00   36           13-1                                          
00   00   37           13-2                                          
00   00   38           13-3                                          
00   00   39           14-1                                          
00   00   40           14-2                                          
00   00   41           14-3                                          
00   00   42           15-1                                          
00   00   43           15-2                                          
00   00   44           15-3                                          
00   00   45           16-1                                          
00   00   46           16-2                                          
00   00   47           16-3                                          
00   00   48           17-1                                          
00   00   49           17-2                                          
00   00   50           17-3                                          
00   00   51           18-1                                          
00   00   52           18-2                                          
00   00   53           18-3                                          
00   00   54           19-1                                          
00   00   55           19-2                                          
00   00   56           19-3                                          
00   00   57           20-1                                          
00   00   58           20-2                                          
00   00   59           20-3                                          
00   00   60           21-1                                          
00   00   61           21-2                                          
00   00   62           21-3                                          
00   00   63           22-1                                          
00   00   64           22-2                                          
00   00   65           22-3                                          
00   00   66           23-1                                          
00   00   67           23-2                                          
00   00   68           23-3                                          
00   00   69           24-1                                          
00   00   70           24-2                                          
00   00   71           24-3                                          
00   00   72           25-1                                          
00   00   73           25-2                                          
00   00   74           25-3                                          
00   00   75           26-0                                          
00   00   76           26-2                                          
00   00   77           26-3                                          
00   00   78           27-1                                          
00   00   79           27-2                                          
00   00   80           27-3                                          
00   00   81           28-1                                          
00   00   82           28-2                                          
00   00   83           28-3                                          
00   00   84           29-1                                          
00   00   85           29-2                                          
00   00   86           29-3                                          
00   00   87           30-1                                          
00   00   88           30-2                                          
00   00   89           30-3                                          
00   00   90           31-1                                          
00   00   91           31-2                                          
00   00   92           31-3                                          
00   00   93           32-1                                          
00   00   94           32-2                                          
00   00   95           32-3                                          
00   00   96           33-1                                          
00   00   97           33-2                                          
00   00   98           33-3                                          
00   00   99           34-1                                          
00   00   100           34-2                                          
00   00   101           34-3                                          
00   00   102           35-1                                          
00   00   103           35-2                                          
00   00   104           35-3                                          
00   00   105           36-1                                          
00   00   106           36-2                                          
00   00   107           36-3                                          
00   00   108           37-1                                          
00   00   109           37-2                                          
00   00   110           37-3                                          
00   00   111           38-1                                          
00   00   112           38-2                                          
00   00   113           38-3                                          
00   00   114           39-1                                          
00   00   115           39-2                                          
00   00   116           39-3                                          
00   00   117           40-1                                          
00   00   118           40-2                                          
00   00   119           40-3                                          
00   00   120           41-1                                          
00   00   121           41-2                                          
00   00   122           41-3                                          
00   00   123           42-1                                          
00   00   124           42-2                                          
00   00   125           42-3                                          
00   00   126           43-1                                          
00   00   127           43-2                                          
01   00   00           43-3                                          
01   00   01           44-1                                          
01   00   02           44-2                                          
01   00   03           44-3                                          
01   00   04           45-1                                          
01   00   05           45-2                                          
01   00   06           45-3                                           
01   00   07           46-1                                           
01   00   08           46-2                                           
01   00   09           46-3                                           
01   00   10           47-1                                           
01   00   11           47-2                                           
01   00   12           47-3                                           
01   00   13           48-1                                           
01   00   14           48-2                                           
01   00   15           48-3                                           
01   00   16           49-1                                           
01   00   17           49-2                                          
01   00   18           49-3                                          
01   00   19           50-1                                          
01   00   20           50-2                                          
01   00   21           50-3                                          
01   00   22           51-1                                          
01   00   23           51-2                                          
01   00   24           51-3                                          
01   00   25           52-1                                          
01   00   26           52-2                                          
01   00   27           52-3                                          
01   00   28           53-1                                          
01   00   29           53-2                                          
01   00   30           53-3                                          
01   00   31           54-1                                          
01   00   32           54-2                                          
01   00   33           54-3                                          
01   00   34           55-1                                          
01   00   35           55-2                                          
01   00   36           55-3                                          
01   00   37           56-1                                          
01   00   38           56-2                                          
01   00   39           56-3                                          
01   00   40           57-1                                          
01   00   41           57-2                                          
01   00   42           57-3                                          
01   00   43           58-1                                          
01   00   44           58-2                                          
01   00   45           58-3                                          
01   00   46           59-1                                          
01   00   47           59-2                                          
01   00   48           59-3                                          
01   00   49           60-1                                          
01   00   50           60-2                                          
01   00   51           60-3                                          
01   00   52           61-1                                          
01   00   53           61-2                                          
01   00   54           61-3                                          
01   00   55           62-1                                          
01   00   56           62-2                                          
01   00   57           62-3                                          
01   00   58           63-1                                          
01   00   59           63-2                                          
01   00   60           63-3                                          
01   00   61           64-1                                          
01   00   62           64-2                                          
01   00   63           64-3                                          
01   00   64           65-1                                          
01   00   65           65-2                                          
01   00   66           65-3                                          
01   00   67           66-1                                          
01   00   68           66-2                                          
01   00   69           66-3                                          
01   00   70           67-1                                          
01   00   71           67-2                                          
01   00   72           67-3                                          
01   00   73           68-1                                          
01   00   74           68-2                                          
01   00   75           68-3                                          
01   00   76           69-1                                          
01   00   77           69-2                                          
01   00   78           69-3                                          
01   00   79           70-1                                          
01   00   80           70-2                                          
01   00   81           70-3                                          
01   00   82           71-1                                          
01   00   83           71-2                                          
01   00   84           71-3                                          
01   00   85           72-1                                          
01   00   86           72-2                                          
01   00   87           72-3                                          
01   00   88           73-1                                          
01   00   89           73-2                                          
01   00   90           73-3                                          
01   00   91           74-1                                          
01   00   92           74-2                                          
01   00   93           74-3                                          
01   00   94           75-1                                          
01   00   95           75-2                                          
01   00   96           75-3                                          
01   00   97           76-1                                          
01   00   98           76-2                                          
01   00   99           76-3                                          
01   00   100           77-1                                          
01   00   101           77-2                                          
01   00   102           77-3                                          
01   00   103           78-1                                          
01   00   104           78-2                                          
01   00   105           78-3                                          
01   00   106           79-1                                          
01   00   107           79-2                                          
01   00   108           79-3                                          
01   00   109           80-1                                          
01   00   110           80-2                                          
01   00   111           80-3                                          
01   00   112           81-1                                          
01   00   113           81-2                                          
01   00   114           81-3                                          
01   00   115           82-1                                          
01   00   116           82-2                                          
01   00   117           82-3                                          
01   00   118           83-1                                          
01   00   119           83-2                                          
01   00   120           83-3                                          
01   00   121           84-1                                          
01   00   122           84-2                                          
01   00   123           84-3                                          
01   00   124           85-1                                          
01   00   125           85-2                                          
01   00   126           85-3                                          
01   00   127           86-1                                          
02   00   00           86-2                                          
02   00   01           86-3                                          
02   00   02           87-1                                          
02   00   03           87-2                                          
02   00   04           87-3                                          
02   00   05           88-1                                          
02   00   06           88-2                                          
02   00   07           88-3                                          
02   00   08           89-1                                          
02   00   09           89-2                                          
02   00   10           89-3                                          
02   00   11           90-1                                          
02   00   12           90-2                                          
02   00   13           90-3                                          
02   00   14           91-1                                          
02   00   15           91-2                                          
02   00   16           91-3                                          
02   00   17           92-1                                          
02   00   18           92-2                                          
02   00   19           92-3                                          
02   00   20           93-1                                          
02   00   21           93-2                                          
02   00   22           93-3                                          
02   00   23           94-1                                          
02   00   24           94-2                                          
02   00   25           94-3                                          
02   00   26           95-1                                          
02   00   27           95-2                                          
02   00   28           95-3                                          
02   00   29           96-1                                          
02   00   30           96-2                                          
02   00   31           96-3                                          
02   00   32           97-1                                          
02   00   33           97-2                                          
02   00   34           97-3                                          
02   00   35           98-1                                          
02   00   36           98-2                                          
02   00   37           98-3                                          
02   00   38           99-1                                          
02   00   39           99-2                                          
02   00   40           99-3                                          

whippinpost91850

Curious, how most are importing lyrics into SetList Maker???? ???

Big Jim


whippinpost91850


Elantric

Suggest watch the demos on the SetListmaker YouTube Channel here:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTmoDZOcFeeN0a6dkhIu7AA



See how to copy documents to your mobile device and attach them to songs in the Set List Maker app.

Click here for written instructions and more info:
http://www.arlomedia.com/apps/setlistmaker/tutorials/attaching_documents.html


Or download Set List Maker from the iTunes Store: http://tinyurl.com/setlistmaker




and start here to learn SetListMaker:

http://www.arlomedia.com/apps/setlistmaker/tutorials/getting_started.html

whippinpost91850

Thanks Elantric, I don't know why I still don't think to check YouTube first.

Toby Krebs

Now that I am in the third day of a break from work I have finally had time to get set list maker switching patches on my GR55.What a breakthrough as I play a lot of gigs in a band that has a 500 song plus songlist and calls audibles most of the time. If you are trying this make sure you have the correct usb cable setting on each patch in my case it is an M-Audio UNO and it is a per patch setting.Thanks to all here and especially Elantric for all the help!

concordal

Organizing Your MIDI Presets in Setlist Maker

Whenever you haver to move a patch on the GR-55 you'll have to update the MIDI preset in Setlist Maker.  At first glance it might seem logical to name the MIDI preset as the song name.  But when you go to move that patch on the GR-55 you have to edit the MIDI preset by looking up the MSB, the LSB, and Program for the new patch location.

Here's a way to make that process easier:  Name your Setlist Maker MIDI preset to be the same as the patch number on the GR-55.  For example the MIDI preset for GR-55 Patch 07-1 would naturally be "07-1" as in this snapshot:

  MIDI Preset 07-1

Thanks to the "SetListMaker to GR-55 User Patch Translator" (located here: https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9090.msg81484#msg81484) entering this info is a breeze because all of the patch numbers are listed there right beside the MSB, LSB, Program field.  And happily, you only have to enter the MIDI presets into Setlist Maker once.

As an example, here's a snapshot of the Song Details for my Brown Sugar patch, showing the MIDI preset that Brown Sugar points to. 

  Brown Sugar Example

Once you've taken the time to go through the "SetListMaker to GR-55 User Patch Translator" and enter the presets into Setlist Maker, if you need to move Brown Sugar all you have to do is change the MIDI preset field to be the same as the new patch number on the GR-55.  No need to deal with MSB, LSB, etc.  This only works where you have one preset per patch.

Hope this is helpful.

whippinpost91850


Toby Krebs

I have successfully created a separate database for all my stand alone GR55 songs/patches.THE LONG NIGHTMARE OF NO SET LIST AND THE BANDLEADER CALLING AUDIBLES AND FUMBLING WITH THE GR55s sucky SWITCHES AND OR A MIDI FOOTSWITCH IS OVER !!! If a person in the audience yells out a song I can get to it in 4 seconds instead of 20 plus lyrics charts notes etc...THIS TECHNOLOGY RULES!!! i am no longer dreading my next 6 or 7 casuals. Hell I might even have some fun!

HoosierMan

Hi All --

Has anyone had a problem with the MIDI In port going bad on your GR-55?  I have been using Set List Maker with an iPad along with Elantric's low cost cable solution (Apple camera adapter and MIDI cable) with no problems for a while now.  However today I cannot get the GR-55 to accept program changes from SLM.  I did verify that MIDI Rx is set to On in the GR-55 and I double checked my SLM MIDI settings and all appears to be correct.

I have cleaned the connectors on the cable, the GR and the iPad, but it still does not respond.  Any suggestions other than ordering a new cable/adapter?

Thanks.

concordal

chartzog, are you using the same MIDI channel on the GR-55 that you have set within SLM?

If that's not it, I had a similar problem the other day when there was an accidental disconnection at the iPad.  Reconnected to the 30 pin connector and still nothing worked.  So rebooted the iPad and all was well.

HoosierMan

Yes both are on channel 1.  I rebooted the iPad but that didn't fix it.  I bought an iRig MIDI today and hooked that up but the GR-55 is still not responding.  I put SLM on my iPhone too and with that I got the same result.  so it looks like the MIDI in port is dead.  I confirmed that MIDI out is working as SLM sees the data when I put it in MIDI learn mode and make a patch change on the GR-55.  I hope it is as simple as a bad connector or a fractured solder joint rather than a dead IC on the circuit board.  Is there any chance of troubleshooting & repairing this myself?  I hate to think how long it would take Roland to fix it. :'(

concordal

QuoteIs there any chance of troubleshooting & repairing this myself? 

You could try a factory reset.  You'll want to carefully back everything up to a USB flash drive first of course.

HoosierMan

Problem Solved! 

I remembered that a few days before this problem started I had installed Set List Maker on my iPhone.  I had been thinking it would be good to have a back up solution for SLM in case something ever happened to my iPad.  So I installed SLM on the iPhone and enabled database sync.  Last night I spent some time verifying in SLM all of the MIDI settings in both my iPad and iPhone and in the process of doing so I discovered that even though each MIDI preset showed for the Port that I had selected USB, if I reselected USB for the Port, it would again successfully send a program change to the GR-55 and the GR-55 would recognize it.  I had to fix every MIDI preset, and I have a bunch of them, but now everything works like it used to again with the iPad and GR.....will test it with the iPhone tonight.  Since the iPhone database sync is "read only" I will cross my fingers and hope that it picks up the changes from the iPad and works. 

I am not sure why enabling database sync would cause this to happen,  but maybe one of you SLM or software experts can explain it.  I'm glad it wasn't a problem with the GR-55 as I would hate to be without it for a week or two and besides I have a show to play at on Friday.

I learned a few other things too in this process.  I went to Guitar Center and purchased an IK Multimedia iRig MIDI to rule out a defective Meritline USB to MIDI cable.  But the iRig MIDI is now iRig MIDI 2 and it does not plug directly into the iPad/iPhone, but it is a separate box that connects to the IOS device with a cable.  The problem is that the supplied cable is only about a foot long making it very inconvenient to use this solution when the iPad is mounted up on a mic stand.  It would be very ugly to have to tie-wrap this iRig to the mic stand, etc.  It appears the original iRig MIDI has been discontinued although there are still some available via Amazon and probably other outlets.  I also discovered to use the Meritline USB to MIDI cable with my iPhone, which has a lightning connector, I will need to go get a USB to lightning adapter.  I have so many adapters, plugs, sockets, cables, etc. that it is getting kind of crazy keeping track of everything.

Anyway, it looks like now this post should be placed in the Set List Maker forum thread.

Elantric

QuoteI am not sure why enabling database sync would cause this to happen,  but maybe one of you SLM or software experts can explain it.  I'm glad it wasn't a problem with the GR-55 as I would hate to be without it for a week or two and besides I have a show to play at on Friday.

Send a PM here:
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Toby Krebs

the sequence with which you power up each device is important. I turn on the ipad let it sit a minute then launch SLM and let it sit a minute. Then I power up the GR55 and it has worked almost every time for me. Also know that that little Apple camera connect kit is a lightening to usb connector.That is all it is.
Taking my SLM/GR55 standalone rig to a huge private event tonite with an R and B soul band and hoping I wont have any problems.

Good Luck!

Toby Krebs

It worked perfectly I am glad to report. Had to setup quickly wearing a Halloween costume after another band opened the show. SLM was flawless in changing GR55 Patches and I used the GR55 as a standalone guitar modeller/synth.The first bands guitarist used a 25 year old Line 6 Flextone head and a cab.

Sounded like muffled crap.

He is a very good player.

My tone killed his.
He took way too much time between songs.

SLM rules!

whippinpost91850

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Findly have SLM working. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get MIDI in and out of the iPad instead of just out. I want to be able to have set list maker send a start preset to my FCB1010 ( controls my GR55 and Kemper). And then be able to have the FCB1010 send a CC to pause and restart the Lyrics within a song in SLM, in case the band decides to extend a song on the fly. ???
When I get off work I'm gonna try and find something on Utube , but so far haven't seen anything.

Elantric

Suggest contact the creator for a "quick start" info on how to do that - then share what you lean ;)

email arlo(at) arlomedia.com
http://www.arlomedia.com/apps/setlistmaker/tutorials/getting_started.html



whippinpost91850


Toby Krebs

I am waiting for Guitar Center to deliver my midi-solutions midi thru box so I can use SLM to change patches on my HD500 and my GR55.
I will report on how well this works.

SLM has already lowered my stress level/ blood pressure and general music performing anxiety level.

Heck I am almost enjoying singing lately.

but not that much lol!

HoosierMan

I have been trying out Arlo's other App, "BandHelper" and it's pretty cool.  It has all of the SLM features plus others such as the ability to edit everything, including MIDI devices and presets on your computer rather than just on an iOS device.   Plus it looks like it works with Android devices too.  You might want to check it out.  There is a 30 day free trial.

Here's the link:  http://www.bandhelper.com

Toby Krebs

Thank you chartzog.I may do that as I am considering either an another ipad or a new Samsung tablet to do just charts and of course midi if SLM will run on it.