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Title: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on January 28, 2012, 07:13:54 PM
This is RIGHT up my alley - and the fact that it uses an SD card for loop storage - claims 1/2 day of looping time!

ProAudioStar First Look : Pigtronix Infinity Looper NAMM 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=151FZ7k6KQ0#ws)

The loop multiplier feature is pretty slick.

Check it out.

Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: shawnb on January 28, 2012, 07:42:40 PM

Very nice.   To me the most impressive feature is what he talked about at the end - the bass/bass loop can go to the bass amp and the guitar/guitar loop can go to the guitar amp.   I've been looking for that, so my synth can go to the PA and my guitar can go to the guitar amp, and I can loop whichever I want & solo over that with the other.  VERY nice...       

The "multiplier", I'm pretty sure is also done by the Boomerang III - e.g., your first loop does NOT have to be your longest loop.  I don't own the Rang III, but my understanding is that it does this automatically, without telling it in advance that 'this track is 4x the first one'.   

In the new RC300, you can predefine the tracks to be certain lengths if desired, and somewhat accomplish this, but not on the fly.   

I'd be interested in knowing whether you can change the tempo on the fly, & how much the sound is mangled.   
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Fred132 on February 09, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
Looks very interesting...Pigtronix makes nice stuff.

Anyone know what the street price will be?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: bbob on April 02, 2012, 02:12:49 PM
Today I sent the following message to Dave Koltai at Pigronix:

"In your NAMM 2012 video for the Infinity looper you mention a SD card. Will the function of the SD card be just to increase loop length or will we be able load backing tracks on the SD card to be played back by the Infinity and still retain some of the looper funtions during backing track playback?'

And got the following reply:

"Working on that now. Hopefully both."
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on April 02, 2012, 04:47:25 PM
Quote from: shawnb on January 28, 2012, 07:42:40 PMIn the new RC300, you can predefine the tracks to be certain lengths if desired, and somewhat accomplish this, but not on the fly.

I don't mean to be spamming multiple threads but, for reference, here is my earlier post which explains that it *is* possible to loop over a shorter loop without predefining lengths:

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5240.msg38940#msg38940 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5240.msg38940#msg38940)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Wildlettuce on April 17, 2012, 02:05:54 PM
Hey there, I own the boomerang III and the rc 300, I prefer the functions of the rang over the rc 300 any day... I'll get to that if you want to hear it... But just wanted to state that the rang 3 has that loop multiplayer build in and it does it automatically... You don't have to tune it.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on April 17, 2012, 04:22:03 PM
Hi!  Yes, please do.  I'm pretty new to looping (all I had to play with before was a Line6 DL4, but I was only using it as a practising aid - now I am trying to make a whole loop-based project).  When I was looking into what to buy I found that exactly what I imagined was not available, but then I was also learning about other ideas which I had not imagined.  The RC-300 strikes me as a pretty capable machine, even though hardware loopers in general seem to have plenty of room left for development.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: bbob on April 17, 2012, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: Fred132 on February 09, 2012, 01:13:40 PM
Anyone know what the street price will be?

On 4 /2 Dave Koltai e-mailed me that they had not determined the price yet

Bob
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Bill Ruppert on April 17, 2012, 08:29:18 PM
FWIW
Dave Koltai is a great guy and a great player.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on May 01, 2012, 06:44:03 AM
I really want this looper, but I don't think I can wait much longer to replace the RC-2 I just sold.  No word on a release date yet?

For now the RC-30 is my best guess at a viable replacement, but I have a feeling I'll be doing this all over again when the Infinity finally ships.

QuoteI don't mean to be spamming multiple threads but, for reference, here is my earlier post which explains that it *is* possible [with the RC300] to loop over a shorter loop without predefining lengths:

Am I safe in assuming that the RC-30 is not capable of anything this sophisticated?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: bbob on May 01, 2012, 07:55:34 AM
Quote from: Bill Ruppert on April 17, 2012, 08:29:18 PM
FWIW
Dave Koltai is a great guy and a great player.

And he answered both e-mails I sent him within about 5 minutes.   ;D

Bob
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on July 16, 2012, 05:51:58 AM
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmadsound.dyndns.org%2Finfinity.jpg&hash=91545e966baaff01ec95e90e8a34683e1b8e6b7d)

So the jacks on the back of this prototype differ from the jacks on the back of the unit as shown at the Sweetwater site:

-MIDI SYNC for midi clocking (the DIN jack)
-AUX LOOP output (sums loop audio only)
-Jack for UNDO
-Expression pedal for LOOP volume.

So you need an external pedal/switch for UNDO and Loop volume pedal.

Jacks on the right side:

Stereo ins.

Jacks on the left side:

Stereo outs.

Interestingly, this is the same setup that drives me nuts about the Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai - why are the inputs on the right?
Just my mental breakdown but no problem.  I can get used to it just like I got used to the SMMH.

The jacks on the back of the unit as shown on the Sweetwater site are different:  they show five quarter inch jacks.  Probably just stock imagery but....

C'mon Dave of Pigtronix - when is this going to be out? 
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on July 16, 2012, 06:40:49 AM
Quote from: aliensporebomb on July 16, 2012, 05:51:58 AMInterestingly, this is the same setup that drives me nuts about the Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai - why are the inputs on the right?

I have a suggestion because I am just about to modify my setup to go from right to left: for a right-handed player the guitar outputs to the right of the player.  By running your pedal chain right to left you reduce the effect of tripping over the guitar lead.

(My setup is "only" Pod HD 300 -> Boss RC-300 and then out to a mixer, but, still, I have an array of 14 switches and two expression pedals for my guitar lead to get caught up in!)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on July 16, 2012, 09:14:41 AM
QuoteInterestingly, this is the same setup that drives me nuts about the Stereo Memory Man with Hazarai - why are the inputs on the right?
Just my mental breakdown but no problem.  I can get used to it just like I got used to the SMMH.

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.musicgoround.com%2FProductImages%2F0518584_0.jpeg%3Fw%3D550%26amp%3Bh%3D550%26amp%3Bmode%3Dcrop&hash=d9633c0a3a58d3d329199301f4b3ec69967bdeb8)
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweetwater.com%2Fimages%2Fitems%2F750%2FSD1-large.jpg&hash=078683417adaad15c73b7b9ca368cddb57ab9f49)


The precedent is that most guitar FX pedals built since the late 1950's (even the Boss Compact Pedals)
- all have  OUTPUT on the Left, INPUT on the Right,
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on July 16, 2012, 10:52:03 AM
I must have had a TIA live on stage or something because for the life of me I thought it was the other way around.  It never bothered me before.  That's the problem with aging: sometimes stuff can trip you up.

I still am hoping this comes out sooner rather than later.  Do I wait for this or do I get an RC-300?  Hmmm.

Has anyone attended summer NAMM and seen Pigtronix out there?  Any sign of the infinity?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on July 16, 2012, 12:45:26 PM
Quote from: aliensporebomb on July 16, 2012, 10:52:03 AMI still am hoping this comes out sooner rather than later.  Do I wait for this or do I get an RC-300?  Hmmm.

I will be interested to hear your decision.  What are your criteria?  Without trawling through past posts, iirc the things in favour of the Infinity are input routing and a smaller size.  I think that most other things are in favour of the RC-300.  Still, perhaps this is why there is a delay - perhaps Pigtronix are specifically aiming to patch any holes (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6065.0) left by the RC-300...
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on July 16, 2012, 01:06:38 PM
Well, criteria - I want >1 loop and I want an undo, stereo, and good sound.  Everything else is gravy.

I like the fact that the RC-300 lets you do key changes if you set it up right but there are some aspects of the Infinity I like too:  memory card storage, undo, and the extra output as well as some of the MIDI features.

Thinking.  I can wait a bit.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: shawnb on July 16, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: Hopkins on July 16, 2012, 12:45:26 PMWithout trawling through past posts, iirc the things in favour of the Infinity are input routing and a smaller size.

Another nice thing about the Infinity is where it gets its name...    The easy ability to record a short rhythm loop, say 2 measures, then do longer loops on top of that.   

True, the RC300 can do this also, but you have to set it up to do so - which is no big deal, really.   I have a few RC300 patches for "2/4/8", in which I setup pedal 1 to be a 2 measure loop, pedal 2 to be a 4 measure loop & the 3rd to be an 8 measure loop.   Now whenever I want to improvise in that fashion, I pull up one of those patches.   

The Infinity supports this natively, no setup needed, which makes sense because it's a very common thing for folks to want to do.  More loopers should do this.   
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on July 16, 2012, 01:51:22 PM
Agreed, this should be the default mode of operation, but it is important to make clear that you do not need to set up pre-defined ratios on the RC-300 (e.g. 2:4:8) to do this - in "FREE" mode (rather than the default "AUTO") this is set on the fly.  It is also important to note, however, that all shorter loops must divide into the longest loop in order to avoid bars of silence - so 2:4:6 may not work as anticipated with loop sync turned on.  (Sorry, I know you know this - I am clarifying here for people hopping in from Google while researching.)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: shawnb on July 16, 2012, 02:38:23 PM
Quote from: Hopkins on July 16, 2012, 01:51:22 PM
Agreed, this should be the default mode of operation, but it is important to make clear that you do not need to set up pre-defined ratios on the RC-300 (e.g. 2:4:8) to do this - in "FREE" mode (rather than the default "AUTO") this is set on the fly.  It is also important to note, however, that all shorter loops must divide into the longest loop in order to avoid bars of silence - so 2:4:6 may not work as anticipated with loop sync turned on.  (Sorry, I know you know this - I am clarifying here for people hopping in from Google while researching.)

Correct - and to use this without twiddling with settings on stage, you'd need to create a patch ahead of time in which the track's lengths were set to 'FREE'.   

I confess I have not experimented with 'FREE' yet.   It sounds too much like the old RC50 mode that would try to back-calculate tempo (per the notes on the bottom of pg 19 in the manual...) and caused nightmares for RC50 users.   RC-50 post:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5273.msg37229#msg37229 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5273.msg37229#msg37229)

I believe this would only be a problem with the rhythm turned off.  I'll experiment with the FREE setting some time this week.   At the very least, the assumptions about your tempo are doc'd in the RC300 manual.   For the RC-50 we had to learn the hard way...   
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on July 16, 2012, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: shawnb on July 16, 2012, 02:38:23 PMI confess I have not experimented with 'FREE' yet.   It sounds too much like the old RC50 mode that would try to back-calculate tempo (per the notes on the bottom of pg 19 in the manual...) and caused nightmares for RC50 users.   RC-50 post:
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5273.msg37229#msg37229 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=5273.msg37229#msg37229)

I believe this would only be a problem with the rhythm turned off.  I'll experiment with the FREE setting some time this week.   At the very least, the assumptions about your tempo are doc'd in the RC300 manual.   For the RC-50 we had to learn the hard way...

Haha, I have just read through the issue - it sounds like you had fun ;).  While replying to this I stopped for a quick play with the RC-300 to check my facts and I am happy to report that I have learned something new.  I was mistaken in my previous belief that FREE and AUTO mode would always default to 2 measures in length for the first track.  Actually, they look at the memory tempo and the rhythm guide time signature (even when the rhythm guide is off) and snap to the nearest "power of 2" number of measures (1, 2, 4, 8, 16...).  For example, if the memory tempo is 120 and the time signature is 4/4 (so 2 seconds per measure), then as long as you are close to 2, 4, 8, 16 seconds when you trigger the loop it will assume a 1, 2, 4, 8 measure loop respectively, adjusting the tempo to match.  So, if you hit loop after 15 seconds instead of 16 it will assume that you have intended to record 8 measures and adjust the tempo to 120*16/15 = 128.  However, if you hit loop when you are far away from 1, 2, 4, 8... measures then there will be a large jump in tempo so, referring to the example above, if you instead hit loop at 12 seconds then you will leap up to 160bpm...  Any faster and it will think that actually you were really slow and drop down to just above 80bpm but assume 4 measures instead of 8...

This is really quite clever behaviour and pretty much all the looper can do.  Perhaps it would be nice to tell it always to snap to the nearest measure (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, etc.) instead of 1, 2, 4, 8, etc., but perhaps their testing suggested that this was rarely desired - probably because it was difficult to be so accurate with your "free form" tempo before jumping into a loop.  To work around this, you could bind an external control pedal to change the number of measures of a loop on the fly (although before you start recording), but I am not sure how many people would actually like to have to make that decision mid-improv...!
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: atonal on July 16, 2012, 08:27:01 PM
I had the opportunity to spend sometime with the pigtronix infinity looper and what I observed is first it sounds great sounds very anologish and no delay when starting the loop which actually was a problem for me as I'm using a Digitech jamman stereo and you have to hit loop button a bit premature to start the loop so I was off a little with the pigtronix ,but got better with it after working with it for awhile ,had a total of about 15mins with it at the NY amp show.Release date they where telling me is around September with a price in 400.00-450 range if my memory serves me well.I'm still searching for the perfect looper for me and this could be it.Going into NyC tomorrow to see King Crimson projectk and will be stopping off at GC NYC and want to try the Rc-300,but not going to do anything till the pigtronix is released,also trying to hunt down a strymon timeline have heard some real nice looping done with that unit also..
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on July 17, 2012, 01:39:28 AM
Great shout - this has to be one of the best presented products I have seen:

http://www.strymon.net/timeline/ (http://www.strymon.net/timeline/)

The looper is basic but that is not the point - it looks like one of the best delay pedals out there.  Finally something to replace the Line6 DL4 which has served me well for over a decade!
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on July 17, 2012, 07:01:04 AM
Quote from: atonal on July 16, 2012, 08:27:01 PM
Release date they where telling me is around September with a price in 400.00-450 range if my memory serves me well.

Finally, some information!  Hope they hold to it - I've been waiting for ages to try this thing.

Quote from: atonal on July 16, 2012, 08:27:01 PM
Going into NyC tomorrow to see King Crimson projectk...

Wish I could make it.  That's going to be a good time.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on July 18, 2012, 01:39:53 PM
Quote from: shawnb on July 16, 2012, 01:12:43 PM
Another nice thing about the Infinity is where it gets its name...    The easy ability to record a short rhythm loop, say 2 measures, then do longer loops on top of that.   

True, the RC300 can do this also, but you have to set it up to do so - which is no big deal, really.   I have a few RC300 patches for "2/4/8", in which I setup pedal 1 to be a 2 measure loop, pedal 2 to be a 4 measure loop & the 3rd to be an 8 measure loop.   Now whenever I want to improvise in that fashion, I pull up one of those patches.   

The Infinity supports this natively, no setup needed, which makes sense because it's a very common thing for folks to want to do.  More loopers should do this.   

Thanks for letting me know it's at least possible with the RC300.  Because usually my loops start out this way:  2-4 bars of something repeating that will fit in key for every element in the song.

Then I add longer bars with more complex musical material.

That being said, I was looking at the inputs and outputs on the back of the RC and the fact that there's a USB port implies I can save my loops to computer. 

That's my biggest issue with my current setup: I've done some really cool improvised loops that sound composed live that I wished I had full range recordings of and the only recording that exists of some of them is on a cell phone recording of the gig; therefore, if I pull the plug there's no record of them and they go away forever.

Looks like I could potentially use the RC to save things I've done for transfer to my computer at home for editing, mastering and later release.

Then in reading the next two messages here it seems the 300 has multiple loop modes where you can alter its looping behavior:  "free", "auto", etc. 
I should read the manual if I can find it online.

Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on July 18, 2012, 01:57:28 PM
If you go through the "RC-300 First Day Notes" and the "Looper Decision Getting Aggravating" posts then you will find a manual link and plenty of info about the various modes of operation!

In fact, I am about to do the same to correct a couple of points where I mentioned the 2 measure default thing...
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on August 27, 2012, 07:48:50 AM
Just watched that video again recently, and posted the following comment.  I'm wondering what the more experienced Looper-users here think about the hype over what sounds essentially like a Multiply feature to me.  I was hoping it would be more automatic - am I missing something?

QuoteI'm a bit disappointed by the demonstrator saying he has loop 2 "set to" 4x the length of loop 1, and have to agree with the other comments in that there isn't anything terribly original about this, at least not? on the face of it. I had hope for all the hype that you could just record a loop, start the next loop and play til you were finished, and then on the next stomp it would automatically calculate the length multiplier. And for the life of me I can't see what's so complicated about this.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Threeleggedyoyo on August 27, 2012, 10:39:01 PM
Quote from: mbenigni on August 27, 2012, 07:48:50 AM
Just watched that video again recently, and posted the following comment.  I'm wondering what the more experienced Looper-users here think about the hype over what sounds essentially like a Multiply feature to me.  I was hoping it would be more automatic - am I missing something?

The nice thing about it, as I understand, is that you can loop a longer sequence over a shorter one without having to record the shorter one with all the repetitions.

For example right now I have a song where the bass riff is 4 bars, and I like that to come in first. However, the riff played over it is a full 16 - basically it changes cords every time the original riff is completed.

The downside is that if I want the bass to come first, and I still want to record the guitar part, I have to play the original 4 bar riff 4 times through.

Of course, I'm doing this in Single mode, and in multi mode it might not matter...

Anyway that's the nice thing about a the 'multiply' feature.

All this assumes I understand the feature you're referring to... I might be completely misunderstanding the whole discussion...
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 02:37:42 AM
I think that mbenigni's point is that it seems like a totally obvious thing for a multi-track looper to do. What is more, having to tell it in advance that the loop is 4x or whatever seems restrictive and unnecessary.  I agree entirely with that! 

However, there seem to be two schools of practice in the looping community: the old-school, who have grown up with long delay/single loop/fade away/overdubbing type things which naturally work quite well with improvisation, and the "new-school" (like me) who are thinking about them more as an adaptation of a multi-track recorder and how you can punch-in/punch-out/rearrange sections of music on the fly.  It is easy to see why, depending on your preconceptions, certain features might seem more or less impressive.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 07:17:35 AM
Hopkins has it right (as far as interpreting my comment goes.)  I totally get the point the point of wanting a subsequent loop to be longer than the first, I'm just disappointed that Pigtronix didn't take this idea further.  As is pointed out elsewhere in the Youtube comments section, the idea of a multiply button is hardly original - it goes back to the early 90's if I'm not mistaken, with the Echoplex, and it's since been copied in all kinds of gear and software, e.g. NI Guitar Rig.

I've held out for the Infinity for months now thinking they'd built on this concept to the point where we could play a short rhythmic figure, then perhaps an arbitrarily long chord sequence over that, then... whatever.  But "set to 4 times as long as the first loop" is completely underwhelming IMO, and doesn't justify the wait or the inevitable price premium.  I'm still hoping someone will explain to me how I'm wrong. 
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 07:31:48 AM
I don't know if you have been keeping your eye on the other threads in this section, but the RC-300 is extremely capable.  There have been a few revelations by users recently which work around (or fix) what have otherwise been considered to be glaring omissions, namely seamless looping of tracks with lengths which do not divide into each other (e.g. three tracks of length 2, 3 and 5 measures), a hardware solution for gradual decaying of old tracks with the loop still in overdub mode and also a way to "abuse" the stereo nature of the device to simulate to independently routed mono inputs/outputs.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on August 28, 2012, 07:36:42 AM
I've stated this before, but in my opinion "new school" live looping is best accomplished with recent Mac and Abelton Live and a KMI SoftStep to control it.

The longer you delay learning that system, while waiting for a suitable hardware looper is time lost.

alternatively on the hardware Looper side, there are folks who swear by the combo of a Looperlative and a Gordius MIDI footcontroller.

http://looperlativeaudio.com/ (http://looperlativeaudio.com/)

QuoteThe LP1 is the first hardware looper to offer 8 stereo tracks in a single box. Input to the box is through a pair of unbalanced line-level 1/4" connectors. Each output is also a pair of unbalanced 1/4" connectors. There are three outputs: main, auxiliary 1 and auxiliary 2. MIDI in, out and through are provided. An RJ45 connector is provided for ethernet network connectivity. An external power supply is provided.
Each track acts as an independent stereo looper. Tracks maybe synchronized or completely unrelated in time from each other. The LP1 can synchronize to an external MIDI clock and it can generate a MIDI clock based on the length of track 1. Total recording time is approximately 4.5 minutes of stereo recording.

The sampling rate is 44.1 kHz and the audio from each track can be exported to a computer or imported from a computer through the network interface. The sampling rate was chosen to allow transfer to and from CD without having to convert the sampling rate. Audio is stored as 32-bit integers internally and sampled at 24-bits.

Track manipulation includes but is not limited to: recording, muting, overdubbing, reversing, speed changing, scrambling, and bouncing output to new tracks.

The manual is available online at: http://www.looperlative.com/upgrades/lp1-user-manual-007.pdf (http://www.looperlative.com/upgrades/lp1-user-manual-007.pdf)

A large image of the front can be seen at: http://www.looperlative.com/prodimages/lp1_front.jpg (http://www.looperlative.com/prodimages/lp1_front.jpg)
A large image of the back can be seen at: http://www.looperlative.com/prodimages/lp1_back.jpg (http://www.looperlative.com/prodimages/lp1_back.jpg)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 07:56:25 AM
You are probably right.  However, since I hack about with computers all day, I specifically do not want anything to do with them during my music making sessions :P

Regarding Looperlative, I had read about that before.  Not sure if it is still in production.  Looks good though.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 08:34:48 AM
I know Ableton inside and out, and love it to pieces, but as Hopkins says, there are times when you just don't want to be looking at or thinking about a PC.  It sometimes seems like I spent about a decade trying to get PC's to replace my guitar rig, and now I'm fated to spend another decade trying to reverse on my poor judgement.   ::)

Similarly, the Looperlative and RC300 are each excessive in their respective ways.  I just want a reasonably small stompbox to work up backing tracks when I'm not up for sitting at a desk dragging and dropping clips around.  Had I not overestimated the design scope of the Infinity, I'd probably have just picked up an RC30 by now.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 08:52:41 AM
Have you have looked at the Boomerang III?  It has its own novel way of working in different modes - by functioning differently depending on which loop you begin to record first.  Quite a neat solution in some respects.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 08:52:41 AM
Have you have looked at the Boomerang III?  It has its own novel way of working in different modes - by functioning differently depending on which loop you begin to record first.  Quite a neat solution in some respects.

The Boomerang was well in my sights for a long time: nice form factor, cool modes (well, per word of mouth anyway - to be honest the UI doesn't seem all that intuitive to me at first glance), and alledgedly the best sound quality of the current generation of loopers.  The price was a little daunting, but not a deal breaker necessarily.

However, non-volatile storage of loops is a BIG plus in favor of the less glamourous Boss and Digitech pedals.  I want to know that if I have a good moment with a pedal, I can easily save the results and get back to work with them later.

The Boomerang, for all I've read, is an excellent choice for live performance, but I'll spend more time farting around the house, using a looper as a mobile, lazy man's recording studio.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 09:07:17 AM
What is it that you dislike about the RC-300 - is it primarily the size?  I must admit, I make full use of all the buttons on the RC-300, so I sort of accept its bulk.  It is also a little on the pricey side.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 09:15:49 AM
Size is the first concern, and price is the second.  It's just a lot more kit than I need, to be honest.  If I want to get that sophisticated, I will in fact bring a PC to the proverbial gunfight, and benefit from a full blown GUI.

I haven't completely ruled it out though.  I was a little bit intrigued by the idea of using it as primary footcontroller and hiding everything else (e.g. GR55) away with the amp.  But you know how these things go, I'd probably solve one problem and find half a dozen more.  Really trying to go simple on this one.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 09:21:40 AM
Yes, I understand.  I wonder if Roland will ever "do a Line 6" on this...  And by that I refer to the fact that Line 6 seem to develop various different products and then start bringing them all together into one unit.  Perhaps Roland could release an all in one looping/synthing/emulating/drumming/effects thing at some point :P
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on August 28, 2012, 09:28:47 AM
QuoteIt sometimes seems like I spent about a decade trying to get PC's to replace my guitar rig, and now I'm fated to spend another decade trying to reverse on my poor judgement.   ::)

Tell me about it!

For the amount of time and money I spend with gear, I really should consider offering an "internship" to a young eager to learn audio trainee who acts as my audio engineer and follows me around, capturing and recording my ideas while I pursue a career as a human "golden guitar riff generator".

 

 
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 09:47:51 AM
QuotePerhaps Roland could release an all in one looping/synthing/emulating/drumming/effects thing at some point
If the GR55's looper hadn't been such a complete afterthought, they'd be there already.  Or is this the irony that earned your :P above?  :)

QuoteFor the amount of time and money I spend with gear, I really should consider offering an "internship" to a young eager to learn audio trainee who acts as my audio engineer and follows me around, capturing and recording my ideas while I pursue a career as a human "golden guitar riff generator".
True.  It didn't occur to me until far too late that, where succeeding as a guitarist was unlikely, succeeding as this and engineer and sound designer and guitar tech and PC consultant and... this was something beyond unlikely.  Words like "delusional" and "masochistic" come to mind...
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on August 28, 2012, 12:06:45 PM
I'd buy an RC-300 if I had the cash today.  This year is proving to be very expensive for non-music related areas.  Maybe next year?
I've seen the Looperlative somewhere before, it looks awfully nice. 

I'm running a Mac with Augustus Loop in the studio, but I don't want to cart my pristine mac out of my studio to very dirty gigging places.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on August 28, 2012, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 09:47:51 AMIf the GR55's looper hadn't been such a complete afterthought, they'd be there already.  Or is this the irony that earned your :P above?  :)

Ah, no, I do not use a GR55 so I cannot comment.  It was more to reflect the unlikelihood of such an all-inclusive piece of kit, partly because you will *never* please everyone and partly because you may end up with too few people who actually want such a monster product because of the inherent complexity.

Quote from: mbenigni on August 28, 2012, 09:47:51 AMTrue.  It didn't occur to me until far too late that, where succeeding as a guitarist was unlikely, succeeding as this and engineer and sound designer and guitar tech and PC consultant and... this was something beyond unlikely.  Words like "delusional" and "masochistic" come to mind...

That said, like most things in life, there are more opportunities when you try to combine disciplines - and you don't need to be a master of anything if you come up with a clever and novel combination.  That is partly my motivation, musically at least.  I feel I can actually do something unique with the right combination of equipment and inspiration.  This certainly appears to have been true of the much talked about "Frippertronics" on this board!

Quote from: aliensporebomb on August 28, 2012, 12:06:45 PMI'm running a Mac with Augustus Loop in the studio, but I don't want to cart my pristine mac out of my studio to very dirty gigging places.

Ah, yes, this is a particularly important property of a hardware, rather than a software, solution.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on September 14, 2012, 07:46:19 AM
Finally broke down and bought a used RC-30.  Could have - and probably should have - just done this a year ago.

There are a few things that I just assumed would be done right on the Infinity that - so far as I can tell - haven't been.  First of all, given three footswitches - versus the more common 2 on pedals with this footprint - I'd have appropriated them a little differently, or at least made different configurations possible.  For instance undo/redo are more important in my book than they seem to be to all of these mfrs.  (Maybe I make more mistakes than the average player LOL.)  The best Boss will do is a "hold for 2 seconds" option - not bad, not great.

But more than anything I'm disappointed by the predetermined 2x/3x/4/x/6x multiplier "innovation".  I was really hoping the "Infinity" would let me overdub a second track, you know, "Infinitely"... and then cut to fit to the closest multiple of the first track.  As per the name.  Am I really being so crazy?  Until someone can show me a Real Book where a significant percentage of the charts are 6 bars long, I'm unimpressed.

Ah well.  The Boss was less than half  the price, and will run on batteries which is often a big convenience for me.  Hopefully it will get the job done.

(Also, I didn't want to have to hear another demonstrator say the phrase "One stomp shopping", ever again.  ;) )
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on September 14, 2012, 08:01:21 AM
Ah, cool good luck with that.  Let us know if there any annoying limitations and surprising capabilities!
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: tekrytor on September 15, 2012, 04:27:58 AM
Yes, please report back on the RC-30. A new thread on the smaller footprint RCs would be nice. Although the 50 and 300 have more features, some of us just do not have the real estate or cash.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on September 17, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
Sure, I'll open a new RC-30 thread when I start using it.  I doubt there will be much to tell that isn't in the Owner's Manual, but I'll at least let you know how I'm using it and whether I'm happy.  I'm pretty sure I'll be ignoring a lot of features, like that weird collection of effects, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: tekrytor on September 17, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
Thanks mbenigni! We can all download the manual, but not your user experience and satisfaction levels.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on September 20, 2012, 03:57:07 PM
I see Sweetwater finally nailed a price on the Pigtronix Infinity:  http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/InfinityLoop (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/InfinityLoop)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: cell7 on September 21, 2012, 04:40:58 AM
http://digitech.com/en-US/products/jamman-solo-xt (http://digitech.com/en-US/products/jamman-solo-xt)

Now this looks interesting... just add more pedals if you want more loops. Im keen to see if this works well.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on September 21, 2012, 05:46:50 AM
Yes, indeed, it is a really nice idea!  I would find only one switch per loop quite limiting though (sometimes I like to "punch in, punch out" loops for later use without any immediate playback), but it does seem as though there is a separate footswitch input.  (Things could get a bit messy though if you were not careful!)  I'll keep my eyes on it...
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: atonal on September 21, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
This looper stuff is driving me crazy..I played the pigtronix and it sounded great but loop creation and record triggering wasn't to my liking.I own a digitech jamman stereo and again loop creation not to my liking and can be a little too digital sounding ,ableton live would probably do the trick but i own 1 mac and that is designated for my my daw and virtual instruments and i can't afford 1500.00 plus live8 499. to go down that road..Both my hd500,m13 and gr55 are a great fit for loop creation ,but too short of loop times and not enough feature's !!
I was at electro-music festival 2012 in Hugenot NY and had the opportunity to see a young cellist by the name of Shannon Lee Hayden
and she was using an Rc 300 sounded great ,she was running an hd500 and rc 300 ,we talked extensively and she was very happy with the combo had no problems recreating her loops onstage and it was all roadworthy,you can check her out on youtube or shannonleehayden.com
seeing this used live 10 feet away from me looping vocals and cello and percussive bangs,thumps and grunts on the cello is convincing me to go this route now i have to figure out how in the hell am i going to build a pedalboard to fit all ,hd500.gr55, and the rc300 this is a huge amount of real estate..Now to read all the rc 300 post's again and diy for pedal board plans..... Hopefully be able to put it all to rest !!!Need to spend time playing ,writing creating and less time researching this !!
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Hopkins on September 22, 2012, 12:01:42 PM
Haha, good luck!  I use an HD300 into the RC-300, which is currently supplemented by 3 FS-5U switches.  I think it is fantastic but, yes, a lot of floor space is required...!
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Threeleggedyoyo on September 22, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
If you want to save on floorspace, go with the Adrenalinn 3. I have one coming in the mail soon... great multieffects, tiny footprint.

The downside is that you need a midi controller to really take full advantage of it, but those are variable in size.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on September 24, 2012, 08:00:10 AM
QuoteI played the pigtronix and it sounded great but loop creation and record triggering wasn't to my liking.

Can you comment any further on this?  I'd love to hear some real feedback on whatever innovations the Infinity brings to the table, vs. the "NAMM hype".

I'm having the same problem you're having, incidentally: there are the loopers that sound best, then the loopers with the best features, and then the loopers with the most intuitive UIs.  Still waiting on someone to bring it all together.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on September 24, 2012, 01:54:50 PM
Yeah, I'm curious.  I really like the audio quality of my EHX SMMH because it doesn't alter the basic tonality any, it seems to do the job without needing to modify the audio significantly.  Can you elaborate - does it alter the EQ significantly or ???

Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on November 16, 2012, 08:17:26 AM
Update:  just this week I got notification from Sweetwater that the Infinity is FINALLY available.  Now to see if I can find a way to grab one.  I still think about the RC-300 too but.....not sure.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mbenigni on November 16, 2012, 09:09:09 AM
I got the call a few weeks ago, but I'd already picked up a cheap RC-30.  As I mentioned above, I was starting to get the impression from demos that the Infinity wasn't quite what I'd been hoping for anyway.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Zymos on November 16, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
I was very close to buying one, but after much deliberation decided on the RC-300 (which is on the FedEx truck as I type this!)

The main reason I was leaning towards the Infinity was that it can slave to MIDI clock. My rig is pretty insane, and that feature was actually a pretty big deal. Boss won out for having dedicated pedals for each track, and for having one more track.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on November 16, 2012, 02:56:36 PM
Indeed one of the advantages of the RC-300 is the fact that it has built in pedals - the Infinity you would have to buy pedals with cables to control it more effectively.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Threeleggedyoyo on November 16, 2012, 05:13:49 PM
Quote from: cell7 on September 21, 2012, 04:40:58 AM
http://digitech.com/en-US/products/jamman-solo-xt (http://digitech.com/en-US/products/jamman-solo-xt)

Now this looks interesting... just add more pedals if you want more loops. Im keen to see if this works well.

Hmm interesting. Sync but no Midi... the heck? Could be cool if you don't care about syncing to other stuff. But I do. :/
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on January 09, 2013, 02:54:27 PM
A review of the Pigtronix_Infinity_Looper
http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Feb/Pigtronix_Infinity_Looper_Pedal_Review.aspx (http://www.premierguitar.com/Magazine/Issue/2013/Feb/Pigtronix_Infinity_Looper_Pedal_Review.aspx)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chazzer on August 29, 2013, 05:50:54 AM
hey guys,
I just recently got my first iguitar, a brian moore iguitar 1.13.
I am a long time acoustic guitar player who recently became interested in electric guitar again, when I was kind of forced into learning some short electric lead work.
I have just bought a roland GR-55 to use with my iguitar.
I have not yet gotten gumtown's floorboard, but assume I will very soon.
I also have pigtronix infinity looper. I have not really used that barely.
does anyone out there have any thoughts about using the pigtronix infinity looper together with the GR-55?
thank you for any replies,
Charlie
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on August 29, 2013, 06:51:09 AM
sure - why not?

just feed GR-55 Output into the pigtronix infinity looper - then from pigtronix infinity looper out to amp.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chazzer on August 31, 2013, 01:09:41 PM
super. thank you.
could I do it the other way around?
and are there any other comments out there?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chazzer on August 31, 2013, 02:18:23 PM
played my brian moore through the GR-55 for a few minutes. did no setting up.
used the exp pedal as a wah for a minute.
getting these things is like opening the door to a whole new world. man what a blast.
I feel like an inventor. Ben Franklin would have gotten such a kick out of this stuff.
just amazing and fun to the max.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chazzer on September 21, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
have a question about the Pigtronix Infinity looper.
does any anyone know if the Sync Multi feature works in both parallel and series modes?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: PunkyBoySTG on March 06, 2016, 05:21:38 AM
Just to let you see the perfect sync with the  2 stuffs
And some possibilities to close, arm, restart, stop drum etc...

Sorry the video is speaking in french, but you can understand just with your eyes :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qmos-nMQ4I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qmos-nMQ4I)

A great combination, garanty hours of fun !!

Cheers
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on March 08, 2016, 12:24:09 PM
Pigtronix SPL Infinity Looper Review
https://loopermusic.com/equipment/pigtronix-infinity-looper-review (https://loopermusic.com/equipment/pigtronix-infinity-looper-review)
http://pigtronix.com/infinity/manual/ (http://pigtronix.com/infinity/manual/)

http://www.pigtronix.com/blogs/infinity/ (http://www.pigtronix.com/blogs/infinity/)
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Changing  Pigtronix SPL Infinity Looper Internal micro SD Cards
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boomerang-iii-vs-pigtronix-infinity-looper.1142384/page-46#post-20103237 (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/boomerang-iii-vs-pigtronix-infinity-looper.1142384/page-46#post-20103237)
The Infinity ships with an 8 GB microSD Card capable of 2 hours of audio recording divided among up to 50 presets. As described in the Infinity User's Guide on Page 48, each preset's maximum recording time depends on three factors:

Size of the microSD Card
Number of Presets
Multiplier Value
The Pigtronix Infinity Application allows users to reformat the Infinity's microSD Card for different numbers of presets to balance the required length of loops with the necessary number of presets. If you need longer loops but don't require as many presets, reformat the Infinity for fewer presets using the Infinity's Application Menu Bar: Tools->Edit Preset Structure.

Changing the number of presets re-formats the microSD Card and erases all Audio and Preset Settings currently on the Infinity!

For users who need longer maximum loop time and more presets, the microSD Card can be swapped for a larger one up to 32GB.

In order to successful upgrade your microSD card, please carefully follow the instructions below. This process is technical and should ONLY be performed by knowledgeable computer users. Users who do not know what they are doing risk serious damage to their computer. Pigtronix is not responsible if you accidentally reformat your computer's hard drive instead of the microSD card. These instructions are provided for reference only.

microSD Card's used in the Infinity MUST be Class 6 or Class 10. Below are two examples of cards that are compatible with the Infinity:
16 GB Class 10 SanDisk microSD Card

32 GB Class 10 SanDisk microSD Card

Using a #2 Phillips head screw driver, remove the back of the Infinity. Removing and replacing the Infinity's back cover are the only times you will need any tools. DO NOT USE TOOLS INSIDE THE INFINITY!
Removing the back of the unit to replace the microSD Card does not automatically void your warranty. Your warranty will only be void should you cause any unreasonable damage to the internals of your Infinity: Spilling liquids inside your Infinity, physically damaging the internals with tools (no tools should be used inside the Infinity), unauthorized repairs, etc

Depending on when your Infinity was manufactured you will have one of the microSD Card holders pictured below.
For early Infinity's the microSD Card holder will look like the image below. To remove the microSD Card, push on the microSD Card itself from right to left until you hear a click. Release the microSD Card and it will partially eject itself from the holder. Carefully grab the microSD Card and pull right until it is free. To insert the new microSD Card, hold it as pictured (with the notch pointed up), insert it into the holder from the right, and press until you hear a click.

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For later Infinity's the microSD Card will look like the image below. To remove the microSD Card, press your finger on the metal cover and slide it left. You will feel a slight click once it is unlocked. Once it is unlocked, CAREFULLY flip the cover to the left; doing so roughly can disconnect the cover from the rest of the holder and if you are unable to re-attach it the unit will have to be sent to us as an out of warranty repair. Once the cover is freed the microSD Card can be lifted out of the holder. To insert the new microSD Card, hold it as pictured (with the notch pointed up), and place it into the holder from above. There is a complementary notch in the holder that will hold it in place. Then CAREFULLY flip the cover to the right, press it closed, and slide the cover to the right.
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Replace the Infinity's back plate and use the #2 Phillips head screw driver to tighten the screws. DO NOT OVER-TIGHTEN/STRIP THE SCREWS.



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https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17567.msg125081#msg125081 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=17567.msg125081#msg125081)
Demo of the BeatBuddy & Pigtronix Infinity SYNC (French)
https://youtu.be/0qmos-nMQ4I (https://youtu.be/0qmos-nMQ4I)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on March 08, 2016, 01:16:46 PM
https://youtu.be/UiFrTYcDRFQ
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on March 28, 2016, 11:09:23 AM
I'm playing around with the Pigtronix Infinity Looper   - no opinion yet, but it has acquired frequent firmware updates and new features beyond the initial 2012 specs

http://pigtronix.com/infinity/manual/ (http://pigtronix.com/infinity/manual/)

http://www.pigtronix.com/blogs/infinity/ (http://www.pigtronix.com/blogs/infinity/)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Rhcole on March 31, 2016, 01:15:33 PM
Write a review!
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on March 31, 2016, 01:22:28 PM
It might be a while - just know the Pigtronix Infinity Looper is still getting new firmware time to time.


http://www.pigtronix.com/blogs/infinity/ (http://www.pigtronix.com/blogs/infinity/)

http://www.pigtronix.com/about/ (http://www.pigtronix.com/about/)

INFINITY FIRMWARE UPDATE 210
APRIL 26, 2016 BY BEN ARTES
The easiest way to update your Infinity is to connect it to your computer via USB, run the Pigtronix-Infinity application, Select "Tools->Update Firmware" from the menu bar, Left-Click the "Automatic" button, close the application, disconnect the Infinity from your computer, and then Power Cycle the Infinity while holding "INPUT SPLIT.
The Infinity Looper 2.0 firmware file can be downloaded for manual install here
The Windows application has been modified and can be retrieved by running the "UpdateApplication.bat" script in the PC folder of the Infinity's USB drive.  Further directions on updating the application can be found here.
The Mac OSX application has been updated and can the new installer can be downloaded from here.  Download and run the installer.  On newer versions of Mac OSX it will be necessary to Ctrl + Click the installer to get the necessary installation permissions.
RELEASE NOTES:
Can now Fade loops out over multiple loop cycles.  In the FADE stop mode, stopping a loop will steadily decrease the volume of the audio until the end of the current loop cycle.  This can now be configured to fade over multiple loop cycles by increasing the Fade Length.
Pressing and holding the STOP MODE and SYNC MULTI switches will enter the Fade Length Menu.  An "F" will appear on the 7-segment display and alternately show a digit corresponding to the current Fade Length.  The default, end at the end of the current loop, is 1.  Every number above that adds an additional cycle of Fade Out.
This setting can also be set Per Preset (including the Blank Canvas), from the Infinity Application in the Fade Length section.
Instantly ERASE the Unarmed Loop using an additional Reverse Remote Switch mapping.  This can be set from the Infinity Application's "Tools->Global Boot Settings."
New settings for Ignoring MIDI Clock received at the MIDI In port. This can be set from the Infinity Application's "Tools->Global Boot Settings."
Numerous small technical fixes.

Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on January 16, 2017, 06:12:13 PM
Okay, I looked and didn't see this had been shared but check it out - very cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwqnBkdYiV4
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chrish on January 17, 2017, 09:56:42 AM
I wonder if roland knows that they will lose market share to companies that give good customer service.

Still waiting for an update that will make  my boss rc300 looper work consistantly with track sync off and tempo sync on.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on January 31, 2017, 04:34:50 PM
I still own my RC-300, still gig with it and use it for recordings but I am using it more these days as an audio interface - it basically is a very clean 44.1 khz 24-bit audio interface that I use for a number of things beyond what Roland thought it should be used for.

I recently acquired a Pigtronix Infinity and external footswitch for a ridiculously low price so I couldn't let it get away.

I figure since I have a GP-10 the Infinity fits with the "small rig" ethic although through the VG-99 it sounds delicious on the infinity.

The infinity definitely has a different functional philosophy over the RC-300 - the separate footswitch makes the Infinity more manageable size-wise whereas the 300 is as big as an aircraft carrier.  That and the FC-300 make my previous 2.0 gigging rig enormous and somewhat heavy.

Pros on the Pigtronix: The firmware upgrades are a nice touch Boss could learn a thing or two from. 
The build quality of the device and the included AC adapter seems fine.
The sound quality on the Pig is top notch, clean and clear but also warm and fat.
The RC-300 sounds clear but warm and fat isn't really it's forte.
The USB connection to load and retrieve loops to your computer works well but is a little cumbersome software wise.
The user interface takes some getting used to (but so did the RC-300 interface) but stuff like the instant undo is great.
The reverse is "MEGOR!" - just awesome.   Did I say it was awesome?
The MIDI jack theoretically could allow my drum machine or sequencer dictate loop length nicely.
The summed jack you can give to a drummer gives me ideas for further processing summed audio for unusual sidechaining!

Cons on the Pig:
Can't be used as an audio interface.  I wasn't expecting this but the RC-300 gave it to me without mentioning it was a feature.
The RC-300's 3 loops have spoiled me a bit - only 2 on the infinity is psychologically bothersome (but in reality fine).
Upgrading the SD card technically voids your warranty.
The single digit LCD display is kind of a bummer but not a deal breaker - it makes it hard to know if the unit is up to date s/w wise.

I sure wish I knew whether the thing was up to date or not because the app you run to look at the contents of the device seems to be a different version than the firmware version so I'm confused there. 

I presume it might be up to date because when I try updating it it seems to act like it's already running the latest version but I'm uncertain I can determine that just from connecting it or looking at the unit.







 
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chrish on January 31, 2017, 07:25:14 PM
nice review. Does it do the friptronics thing as well as the rc unit?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 27, 2017, 01:19:59 PM
It does it in a different manner - you don't need an external cable.  The loop aging feature is built in.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: Elantric on May 30, 2017, 11:23:13 AM
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=15777.msg151504#msg151504

Aliensporbomb wrote>
Just went out on a gig running Boss GP-10 + Strymon Big Sky + Pigtronix Infinity (plus extra Pigtronix footswitch) and that was a great little setup.

That looper has two loops.  I'm used to three but was able to do quite a lot with this setup:

improv1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHHzhXoJ2LM

improv2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkjlstbDSgs

Loops can go backwards or forwards, instant undo, midi tempo sync (in other words it can accept tempo from other devices), save loops in 24-bit 48 khz quality, is much smaller than my RC-300, has USB connectivity to offload saved loops and place stereo loops in memory for playback at a gig, etc.

Why did I get this if I already have an RC-300? 
Well, the Pigtronix was my plan B already and I got a deal I couldn't pass by (Infinity Looper with a lot of memory + the external footswitch etc for less than the price of the looper alone).  I've heard rumors of an Infinity II but I didn't care at that point. 

The sound quality is so nice - the RC-300 was nice and clean but the Infinity sounds clear, clean and warm if that makes sense.

Anyway, questions?  Just ask.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: think little on January 18, 2018, 11:16:07 AM
Hi. Man, this is a bit of a learning curve. However, may be some here has had a similar request. Im trying to start to play  a loop when switching to a patch on th gr55. I have been through all the possibilities I can think of but it just aint working. yes i have worked out the control messages from ctl pedal etc but I that is not immediate as i have to change patch THEN operate the ctl..It can send program change data but that (as far as I know ) will switch the looper...any magic boxes that convert program change data to cc messages??? any one have this problem as well? Thanks
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on January 18, 2018, 11:24:47 AM
Quote.any magic boxes that convert program change data to cc messages???

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdm.link%2Ffiles%2F2015%2F01%2FBomeBox708-035-640x426.jpg&hash=109bd03d6c70ae7f804bcbc5072a0e94b955ee6c)
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http://cdm.link/2015/01/bomebox-lets-connect-midi-transform-way-want/
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on October 05, 2018, 01:46:23 PM
http://stagecue.com/infinity.html

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstagecue.com%2Fpig%2F1.JPG&hash=d64ee457df6be55ae0919ac6b47adb3442a99c56)

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(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstagecue.com%2Fpig%2F4.JPG&hash=b305ab4c38cfeb1c15650971975efd54e55897d3)

(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fstagecue.com%2Fpig%2Flaser.jpg&hash=309db5a7867645c0771f10e6cede19972fc1b0de)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on January 04, 2019, 02:30:22 PM
Why I didn't notice this before but that rackmount version is beautifully done.  Bravo! 
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on February 17, 2019, 01:28:12 PM
MIDI Control

https://pigtronix.com/infinity/manual/#midi
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mooncaine on March 11, 2019, 01:02:28 AM
Wow, there's absolutely zero information about MIDI on that 'FAQ' page.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on March 11, 2019, 07:54:32 AM
Quote from: mooncaine on March 11, 2019, 01:02:28 AM
Wow, there's absolutely zero information about MIDI on that 'FAQ' page.

Click each + to expand each topic to reveal  MIDI Commands

--
https://pigtronix.com/infinity/faq/#midi



MIDI Sync
MIDI Sync is the normal default MIDI mode of the Infinity-it's always on.

When a MIDI Beat Clock is present, the Infinity Looper will synchronize its actions to the MIDI beat clock, acting as a slave device.

Once a loop has been recorded with a MIDI Beat Clock, the Infinity will constantly readjust the loop length to stay synchronized. This active MIDI synchronization prevents drift, and guarantees that all synchronized actions happen on time at the start of MIDI measures.

This active MIDI synchronization is designed to work with "regular" MIDI clock signals that don't change tempo or time signature. If the MIDI clock signal does change tempo, the Infinity will react and adjust the sample rate gradually.

The MIDI actions of the Infinity are quantized to the measure when MIDI is running, by default in 4/4 time. Any action that is meant to obey MIDI clock will be applied at the beginning of the next measure (not necessarily the end of the loop cycle). So it's best to cue the MIDI command within the bar/measure before you want it to occur, not right on the downbeat.

If a MIDI clock signal is present during recording and then stopped or disconnected, the Infinity will continue playback using its recorded length. Actions will continue to be quantized to an internal, approximate MIDI clock. However, this internal MIDI clock may drift or differ from the external MIDI clock that was disabled.

Time Signature
The Time signature can be changed, on a preset-by-preset basis, using the Infinity Application. For quantization to the beat rather than to the measure, set the measure to a single note (eg. 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16).

Commands that Sync to MIDI Clock
With MIDI Sync active, some commands initiated using the Infinity's footswitches will be automatically quantized to the beginning of the next MIDI Measure.

Record and Play
Appropriate action is executed at the start of the next measure after the switch has been pressed.

Start
Starts loop audio at the start of the next measure after the switch has been pressed. Switching between loops in Series mode will trigger which loop is playing back at the start of the next measure after the switch has been pressed.

Stop
The Stop footswitch closes loops and stops loop audio at the start of the next measure after the switch has been pressed.

Overdub
Closes a base recording at the start of the next measure after the switch has been pressed then begins recording an Overdub.


Commands That Ignore MIDI Sync:
Erase, Overdub, Global stop (via double tap), and all mode changes via the tactile switches, potentiometers or encoder are not quantized to MIDI beat clock.

MIDI Channel Selection
Hold Stop Mode during boot to access the MIDI Channel Selection Menu.  After the firmware version number has been displayed a 'C' will be displayed indicating the Infinity will enter the MIDI Channel Selection Menu upon release of the Stop Mode switch.

In this menu, users can see the current MIDI Channel selection and change it if necessary.  Upon entering this menu, the current MIDI Channel Selection will be displayed followed by a blinking 'C' to indicate the current menu.  The possible MIDI Channel assignments are 1-16 with tens indicated by an illuminated decimal point: 9 = 9, 0. = 10, 1. = 11, etc.  Turn the Preset Encoder Clockwise to increment the selection and Counter-Clockwise to decrement the selection.

Once the desired MIDI Channel is shown:

Pressing the Preset Encoder or Stop Mode switch will confirm the selection, save the MIDI Channel assignment, and finish booting.
Pressing the STOP footswitch will cancel the selection, exit the menu without making any changes, and finish booting.

MIDI Control Changes (CCs)
MIDI can be used to control many specific functions of the Infinity via a properly configured MIDI controller.

Like MIDI Sync, MIDI mapping is always enabled, so that MIDI foot controllers, Ableton, and other devices or software can control parameters of the Infinity Looper.

A Full MIDI Map is provided below. The behavior of individual commands (CC: control change) is broken down into 4 types of control:

Cycle/Toggle
Any value of these MIDI CC/Note messages toggles or cycles through the available options, changing to the next selection.

Mapped
The value (0-127) of these MIDI CC/Note messages sets the value of the parameter.

Loop-Assignable
Specific values of these MIDI CC/Note messages triggers the action for Loop 1 Only (0), Loop 2 Only (1), the currently Armed Loop Only (2), or Both Loops (3).

Switch
The value of these MIDI CC/Note messages determines whether the message acts like a switch press or delivers a specific type (short or long) of switch press.

A value of 0 is not pressed, a value of 127 is pressed. For MIDI controllers that send 127 when pressed and 0 otherwise, this type of command lets the MIDI footswitch act like the buttons (hold for 2 seconds for a long press, or less for a short press).

Values of 1 or 2 specifically send a short press and long press respectively and act immediately.

Function   MIDI CC#   Mapping Style   
Varispeed   3   Mapped   
Exp   4   Mapped   
Global Volume   7   Mapped   
Loop Aging   9   Mapped   
Loop 1 Volume   12   Mapped   
Loop 2 Volume   13   Mapped   
Stop Mode   17   Switch   
Series Loops   19   Toggle   
Input Split   20   Toggle   
Sync Multi   22   Switch   
Stop FTSW   23   Switch   
Loop 1 FTSW   24   Switch   
Loop 2 FTSW   25   Switch   
Undo FTSW   27   Switch   
Reverse FTSW   28   Switch   
Pitch Up   29   Switch   
Pitch Down   30   Switch   
Pitch Recall   31   >0 Triggers   
Stutter   75   >0 Triggers   
Erase   76   >0 Triggers   
Erase+Rec   77   >0 Triggers   
Reverse   78   >0 Triggers   
Undo   79   >0 Triggers   
Preset Decrement   85   >0 Triggers   
Preset Increment   86   >0 Triggers

Varispeed MIDI Note Control
For precise changes of sample rate for the purposes of a pitch change, the Infinity accepts MIDI Note Control.

MIDI Notes C5 to C7 change the sample rate between 12 and 48 khz. The looper starts at 48 kHz, so if you want to raise the pitch of a sample, lower the sample rate before recording.

MIDI Notes C2 to C4 change the sample rate between 12 and 48 kHz, and Stutter the loop (see page pageref{stutter}). So playing these notes will change the pitch and replay the loop, which creates a "mellotron-like" sound. Like above, the looper starts at 48 kHz, so if you want to raise the pitch of a sample, lower the sample rate before recording.

Please see the tables in the Infinity Rules: Varispeed section for pitch and length change information and the table in the MIDI section for the complete MIDI Mapping.

Infinity Application
The Infinity Looper Application comes pre-installed on your Infinity Looper pedal. To run the application, plug in your Looper via USB and open the appropriate folder (PC or MAC) from the on-board drive and then click on the Pigtronix-Infinity.exe file. If using Windows Vista / 7 / 8, please right-click and choose "Run As Administrator."

To update the Infinity Looper application on your Infinity Looper, download the updated version at the following URL: pigtronix.com/SPLapplication and replace the appropriate folder on the Infinity Looper with the new version of the application.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: mooncaine on March 12, 2019, 04:14:44 PM
Thank you for pasting that information. I'd no idea it was there.
(That info is not visible to me in Firefox, not on a Mac nor a phone. When I click the + sign, all I get is a form that's used to submit a question, including an introduction urging me to read the invisible FAQ.)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on March 12, 2019, 05:19:14 PM
Quote from: mooncaine on March 12, 2019, 04:14:44 PM
Thank you for pasting that information. I'd no idea it was there.
(That info is not visible to me in Firefox, not on a Mac nor a phone. When I click the + sign, all I get is a form that's used to submit a question, including an introduction urging me to read the invisible FAQ.)

Firefox has been funky for me for a while ( will not properly show many sites) - prefer Opera these days
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on April 17, 2019, 10:41:18 AM
Pigtronix  Infinity Looper FW 2.18 update
fixed a volume-jump bug that crept in sometime in the last couple previous releases.

https://pigtronix.com/infinity/#downloads
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chrisizonvg on February 18, 2022, 01:30:59 PM
Hello

Would someone have the SD card image ("LooperImage.img") required to format an SD Card for the Infinite Looper (1, not 3). It is not on Pigtronix site anymore...

I cannot transfer loops from PC to looper, so I would like to try with a new SD.

Chris
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 18, 2022, 03:29:01 PM
I can check - I still own the looper but will need to do some searching to see if I have that file.

Ah - I found the legacy pig site here:
https://www.pigtronix.com/pedals/infinity-looper/

Here is the instructions for doing the formatting:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1a3-nQ4WPEUIy1YPjI-UbtSzCEJOOXaFt/view

Here's the link for the SD formatter!  File is: InfinitySDFormatter.zip
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mLQMif6pU8KanIvgUaEDBdNqH7J8eElP/view



Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chrisizonvg on February 18, 2022, 03:52:16 PM
Thank you to have looked.
What is missing is the image file LooperImage.img
In the pigtronix procédure they provide a dead link.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 18, 2022, 04:05:52 PM
Quote from: chrisizonvg on February 18, 2022, 03:52:16 PM
Thank you to have looked.
What is missing is the image file LooperImage.img
In the pigtronix procédure they provide a dead link.

Try this - I placed the file on my server:
http://pod.podzone.org/LooperImage.img

I tried to upload it here as part of the message but it was too large so it should be on my server for as long as you might need it.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 18, 2022, 09:49:59 PM
Did that work?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chrisizonvg on February 18, 2022, 11:02:20 PM
Oh yes thank you, got it this morning :-)

I can try it use it today.

Than you very much :)
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: philjynx on February 19, 2022, 02:34:00 AM
Quote from: aliensporebomb on February 18, 2022, 04:05:52 PM
Try this - I placed the file on my server:
http://pod.podzone.org/LooperImage.img (http://pod.podzone.org/LooperImage.img)

I tried to upload it here as part of the message but it was too large so it should be on my server for as long as you might need it.
Perhaps you could make it available in the downloads section for posterity?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 19, 2022, 07:43:54 AM
Good luck.  On my own unit I've never been convinced it's the most current firmware installed.  I think I tried updating it once and it gave some odd 4 character code on the display that never really was conclusive about what version it was running and whether it updated or not.   Maybe I'll try that again since it would be nice to have the thing running as designed.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: chrisizonvg on February 20, 2022, 01:49:25 AM
Hello,
After remormatting the origine microSD card, yes it works.
In detail :
-With Pigtronix application copied on the microSD Card (in INFINITY directory), and launched from there in "Execute as an Administrator mode".
After selecting the loop with "open", a new windows this time appears to present the loading advancement.
-With Pigtronix MacOs application it remains KO, probably an issue permission.

Regarding the image file I got the end of the story :
it is and remains supplied by Pigtronix (on their official site), but is supplied only in the zipped "PC" pack and not in the "MAC" one.



Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on February 21, 2022, 05:00:42 PM
That is unfortunate - I think they may have overlooked this.  I wonder if anyone has contact with the Pigtronix people to correct this?
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: admin on February 21, 2022, 06:06:53 PM
Surprised the built in Unzip utilities on Apple Mac' Archive or Finder can't unzip the Zip file
(today Zip files are just as common as TXT files, even Android opens Zip files natively  )

Maybe for tighter security they crippled these on latest Apple Mac OS

https://setapp.com/how-to/simple-way-to-zip-unzip-files-on-mac



Unzip files in Archive utility
Unzip files on a Mac
Unzipping files on your Mac is simple. The best method is using the built-in Archive Utility app. The process is simple, and essentially a reversal of the process for zipping a file. Here's how to unzip files:

Right-click the zipped folder or file you'd like to unzip
Select 'open with'
Select 'Archive Utility'
The zipped file or folder will be unzipped.


Unzip files with macOS Finder
To unzip files from Finder, locate your .zip file and double-click it. This action will take you to the contents of your zipped folder.


Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: ctblaze on March 06, 2023, 08:28:39 AM
Good Sir,
as the link does not work any longer, and I have tried many other places:
Could I humbly ask you to provide the file once again?
Either in the Downloads section, or in your Google Drive (like the valuable other info you've put there, THANKS), or via email, whatever is easiest for you.
Thank you, any help much appreciated.

Best regards, C.T.

Quote from: aliensporebomb on February 18, 2022, 04:05:52 PMTry this - I placed the file on my server:
http://pod.podzone.org/LooperImage.img

I tried to upload it here as part of the message but it was too large so it should be on my server for as long as you might need it.
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on March 06, 2023, 10:13:54 AM
Quote from: ctblaze on March 06, 2023, 08:28:39 AMGood Sir,
as the link does not work any longer, and I have tried many other places:
Could I humbly ask you to provide the file once again?
Either in the Downloads section, or in your Google Drive (like the valuable other info you've put there, THANKS), or via email, whatever is easiest for you.
Thank you, any help much appreciated.

Best regards, C.T.


Problem is my computer recently had its drive die.  I've rebuilt it with an SSD but my server is offline.  Trying to find a place to put that online.   Stand by.

Does this work?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjj91fw13x95cck/LooperImage.img?dl=0

Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: ctblaze on March 06, 2023, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from: aliensporebomb on March 06, 2023, 10:13:54 AMDoes this work?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjj91fw13x95cck/LooperImage.img?dl=0
YES IT DOES, thank you!  I'll let y#all know whether this works for the Infinity 3 as well (since it's technologically almost the same, I do assume that).
Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: aliensporebomb on March 07, 2023, 07:02:14 AM
I hope you don't brick it since this firmware predates the existence of the 3 by a number of years.

Title: Re: Pigtronix Infinity Looper : Watch out Roland
Post by: ctblaze on March 09, 2023, 05:27:24 AM
Well I'll use a fresh SD card and just see if it works... Firmware that boots sits elsewhere.
I'll also ask Pigtronix (not very responsive though it seems so far) for the procedure of exchanging the SD card on Inf. 3
Yet, I strongly suspect that the core/base of it, tech and code, is still the same as on original Infinity. I have both, BTW. Thanks again