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Title: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 20, 2013, 07:04:28 PM
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Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: utensil on May 21, 2013, 04:28:03 AM
that JTV-59 is sweet, made me want to post my JTV to LP with Bigsby transplant. I just finished adding the cut down FTP mag pickup and a 15 pin output via VGA style jack from which  either the triple play or GK external unit can be connected (mounted on strap). It's also got an 13 pin which is fed from the Graphtech Piezo's & hexpander preamp shared with the JTV circuit (i.e built in 13 pin and JTV don't work simultaneously but with new mag out any two systems work together). it's also equipped with Tronical robo tuner on it, which is a great product.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 21, 2013, 07:28:36 AM
That guitar has a lot of tech! Good job.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: mbenigni on May 21, 2013, 08:19:51 AM
Quotethat JTV-59 is sweet, made me want to post my JTV to LP with Bigsby transplant. I just finished adding the cut down FTP mag pickup and a 15 pin output via VGA style jack from which  either the triple play or GK external unit can be connected (mounted on strap). It's also got an 13 pin which is fed from the Graphtech Piezo's & hexpander preamp shared with the JTV circuit (i.e built in 13 pin and JTV don't work simultaneously but with new mag out any two systems work together). it's also equipped with Tronical robo tuner on it, which is a great product.

Wow.   :o
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 23, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
This is a Line 6 Variax JTV-59 I bought in 2011 during a Musicians Friend 2011 Xmas Holiday Sale  - it was a restock I got for $975

I think I found my #1 :)

(https://s6.postimg.cc/hm4zytdoh/20130523_022535_zps2a602406.jpg)


Modifications so far

1) Upgraded to GFS Locking Tuners $32 - these are actually from the same Asian supplier that Line 6 uses and bolt right on -
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Sperzel-Style-Locking-Tuners-3x3-Chrome_p_1172.html (http://www.guitarfetish.com/Sperzel-Style-Locking-Tuners-3x3-Chrome_p_1172.html)
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2) Mounted a slightly modified Bigsby B7 Tremolo Tailpiece (Ebay $107) ( inspired by Anthony Lee's JTV-59 with Bigsby)
http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/James-Tyler-variax-JTV-59-upgraded/m-p/35360629#M4181242 (http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Electric-Guitars/James-Tyler-variax-JTV-59-upgraded/m-p/35360629#M4181242)

To make this work with the JTV-59 , I modified the Bigsby B7 by sawing off the mount on the upper right - this conflicted with the JTV-59 Bridge.
Then I drilled a new countersunk mounting screw hole directly under the Bigsby Spring. 
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3) I'm more of a Gretsch 6120 tone freak, and prefer clean tones, so I swapped out the stock Line6 pickups for a pair of GFS Rectotron Liverpool PUs ( Ebay $50 for the pair)
 http://www.guitarfetish.com/Liverpool-Vintage-Alnico-Humbucker-Chrome_c_125.html (http://www.guitarfetish.com/Liverpool-Vintage-Alnico-Humbucker-Chrome_c_125.html)
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4) Mounted the pickups to a pair of Seymour Duncan Tripleshot rings - Can choose from Series. Parallel, or select which coil is active in single coil mode.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/accessories/triple-shot-mou/triple_shot_swi/ (http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/accessories/triple-shot-mou/triple_shot_swi/)
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Might ask why add all these magnetic coil select solutions to a JTV-59 Variax? I'm rather picky about my tone, and clean Palm Muting tone is essential for my Surf Band, and despite the progress, none of these Guitar Modelling solutions  we discuss today can duplicate the exact tone I need to achieve clean Palm Muting tone   - (think Astronauts "Baja) for the sound I use regularly 
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHbcU5ArqBQ#)

While I have over 7800 posts on this forum about DSP Guitar Modeling, In 2013 despite all the breakthroughs I remain in the camp that still considers playing through a DSP guitar pickup  / Amp modeller remains in the same realm as thinking an iPad pinball game can duplicate the real deal Bally PinBall Game  -  If you close your eyes and imagine really hard, you "almost" get in the same ballpark as the sound of playing the real guitar, thru the real Amp   -  but there always remains a 2 dimensional quality on these systems we discuss, that a player with good ears and playing technique will be able to pick out the faults in seconds. 

But the Listener may never hear the difference.     
     


5) I'm half way done with my JTV-59 Mods - Next I'll mount the FTP PU and mount the FTP controller on top of the Bigsby Logo on the tailpiece



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http://line6.com/support/topic/135-custom-jtv-59-with-bigsby-b7/page-2 (http://line6.com/support/topic/135-custom-jtv-59-with-bigsby-b7/page-2)

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Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Orren Merton on May 23, 2013, 10:37:38 AM
Quote from:  Elantric on May 23, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
This is a Line 6 Variax JTV-59 I bought 15 months ago during a Musicians Friend 2011 Xmas Holiday Sale  - it was a restock I got for $975

I think I found my #1 :)

Modifications so far

Wow, fantastic work and upgrades! I love what you've done with it! I'm a big Filtertron fan myself, both of my Koll customs have PowerTrons. I'm very curious how the FTP will work on the Bigsby, I've got two guitars with Bigsbys myself.

Thanks for sharing!
Orren
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 23, 2013, 11:06:05 AM
I just finished these mods late last night, but so far I'm in love. Its one of those situation where "on paper" it appears there are too many liabilities, like managing the upper harmonic "ping" that could occur on the "non-speaking" string length between the bridge and the tailpiece - but in this case the Bigsby B7 has that additional Roller Bar that maintains a good downward pressure force on the Piezo bridge, and during my test drive late last night -All stock Variax Features and sounds work just like a stock JTV-59 - i.e. I do not hear any anomalies !

Also due to the normal tolerance "slop" and movement of the stock JTV-59 Piezo saddles in the JTV-59 Bridge (observed when you remove the strings ), this acts as an aid to maintain good tuning. Long term Bigsby Users out there know what I mean. On a Bigsby Guitar, the Bridge saddles must move/pivot with the strings, and this does occur on my 2010 JTV-59 
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: whippinpost91850 on May 23, 2013, 05:20:53 PM
Elantric, Looks pretty awesome. I've never heard of the GFS Rectophone pickups. How close are they to the 6120 tone?
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 23, 2013, 06:06:52 PM
QuoteI've never heard of the GFS Rectophone pickups. How close are they to the 6120 tone?

I find they do get extremely close to the tone and openness and clarity of my T.V. Jones Filtertrons used on my 2005 Gretsch 6120 Brian Setzer.   

These days I tend to keep the Gretsch at home since its become a bit valuable and represents a major loss if displaced or damaged at a bar gig.

http://www.gretschguitars.com/products/index.php?partno=2400110822 (http://www.gretschguitars.com/products/index.php?partno=2400110822)


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The GFS site lists several types of "RectoTron" pickup types. These are similar pickups to what Gretsch uses on the current Asian import 5120 
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Liverpool-Vintage-Alnico-Humbucker-Chrome_c_125.html (http://www.guitarfetish.com/Liverpool-Vintage-Alnico-Humbucker-Chrome_c_125.html)


I had prior experience with the GFS  "Liverpool" Alnico models 7 years ago.
I once had a cheap hollowbody chinese Les Paul (since stolen) that I installed these same pickups (GFS RectoTron Liverpool) and always admired their tone,
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GFS has many models and sound samples here
http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-Retrotron-Series_c_99.html (http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS-Retrotron-Series_c_99.html)


All mp3 sound  demos below are with the typical "both coils in Series" tone (they get even cleaner/brighter in "both coils in parallel" mode / and single coil mode sounds very much like my DiPinto in my avatar on the far left) )

The basic stock Liverpools (not the "hot" or Memphis) work best for my needs I do use The "neck Liverpool" type in the neck and the "bridge Liverpool" in the bridge.
GFS RectoTron Liverpool are described as Alnico V magnets, classic crunch, extra body and warmth


GFS RectoTron Liverpool Bridge PU demo
http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R12_Clean.mp3 (http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R12_Clean.mp3)
http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R12_Dirty.mp3 (http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R12_Dirty.mp3)


GFS RectoTron Liverpool Neck PU demo
http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R11_Clean.mp3 (http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R11_Clean.mp3)
http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R11_Dirty.mp3 (http://www.guitarfetish.com/GFS_WAV/R11_Dirty.mp3)

Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 24, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
Finally was able to play my modified JTV-59 a couple hours last night,
(https://s6.postimg.cc/hm4zytdoh/20130523_022535_zps2a602406.jpg)

highly recommended this setup - I classify the tone of this guitar as landing squarely in Gretsch 6120  zone.  I love the Bigsby too - and the stable bridge setup where I can always plant my Palm on the LP type bridge and never go sharp, like my other guitars with a Strat type tremolo bridge. 

Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: merman93 on May 24, 2013, 09:56:14 AM
Awesome Steve !! I love it !!!

I hope your transplant works out well. I remember you had a few problems with the 69 as an "early adopter". Are you not satisfied with the actual guitar, or is the PRS just more comfortable. I have a deposit on a black 69 with single coils and Maple Fretboard, and keep getting delay notices on delivery.
I know each new run seems to get better and better. Are they on 2nd or 3rd trem revision?
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 24, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
QuoteI hope your transplant works out well. I remember you had a few problems with the 69 as an "early adopter". Are you not satisfied with the actual guitar, or is the PRS just more comfortable. I have a deposit on a black 69 with single coils and Maple Fretboard, and keep getting delay notices on delivery.
I know each new run seems to get better and better. Are they on 2nd or 3rd trem revision?

In my opinion the JTV-69 is a pure result of flawed CNC Neck profile design for my needs on a very basic level. You must play 5 JTV-69's to find one that is playable.

Sorry for the rant - but the whole affair of the JTV-69 Neck width at the Nut is reminiscent of the bread in this famous sandwich
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypcSHTLlK8E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypcSHTLlK8E)

Remember I base all this opinion as a long term Les Paul Player. 

I cover some of the specifics in this thread
 
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8612.msg61784#msg61784 (https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=8612.msg61784#msg61784)

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In my opinion the JTV-69 has really odd geometry. With the wide E-E spacing of 2.1055 inch at the bridge, this leaves only 0.116 inch between the string and the edge of the fretboard at the 12th fret.
When playing, the JTV-69 has a tendency to have the E strings fall right off the edge of the fretboard, making basic hammer on riffs nearly impossible because the string to string spacing at the Bridge is too wide, for the Neck IMHO.


Compare the dimensions to the Jay Turser Strat - which is actually a great playing guitar with ideal geometry with more available fret under the string  - .15875 inch between the string and the edge of the fretboard at the 12th fret, compared with only 0.116 inch on the JTV-69.

Another issue is muscle memory - if you are like me and grew up playing fast cross picking riffs on a stock Les Paul / SG, - then a guitar with a wider E-E spaced bridge that is up to 0.1 inch wider than the Gibson can impact your technique and leave you a few missed notes at the gig if you don't adapt your playing style to the wider bridge.



So here is a list of the problems on the JTV-69.

*  JTV-69 Tremolo Piezo bridge has a very wide "Strat Vintage" E-E spacing of  2.1055 inch at the bridge.

*  JTV-69 Neck above the 5th fret meets my preference for a "Fat" Neck at .92" inch thick, but below the 5th fret the JTV-69 tapers down to a kiddie guitar dimensions being only 1.1612 inch wide at the Nut - I find the JTV-69 neck is just "too narrow" at the Nut for an average adult to play a clean 1st position A7 chord and maintain an open G string. Its rather like they dialed in the CNC machine with the goal of recreating the Neck profile of a '62 Strat - but failed miserably with a very narrow width at the Nut.

* Then to add insult to injury the stock JTV69 Nut has the string spacing cut just a bit too wide for the neck, the net impact of all the above dimension of the JTV-69 deliver an unplayable guitar, with both E strings having a tendency to fall right off the edge of the fretboard.

* The JTV-69 Floating Bridge never returns to center, due to the various methods Line6 informs World Music in Korea to route the bulky hex cable harness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4AqSfrahEZg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=4AqSfrahEZg)


I go into all more details of The JTV-69 Tremolo issues here - which I'm proud it became a sticky on the official Line 6 Tyler Variax Support Forum
http://line6.com/support/thread/73637 (http://line6.com/support/thread/73637)



By Contrast the JTV-59 is a totally different experience, it feels very much like a PRS McCarty  or old Les Paul Neck Profile, and I feel right at home. 
     
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: merman93 on May 24, 2013, 11:06:46 AM
Sorry to bring up bad memories,.. I feel your posts over at Line 6 regarding the JTV 69 issues, are a perfect example of how providing potential customers with details of quality issues, can change production. GOOD JOB.

Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Orren Merton on May 24, 2013, 11:19:40 AM
Quote from:  merman93 on May 24, 2013, 11:06:46 AM
I feel your posts over at Line 6 regarding the JTV 69 issues

Speaking of Line 6 Variax issues, they used to make lefty versions...no more.

Orren
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on May 24, 2013, 11:24:20 AM
QuoteI feel your posts over at Line 6 regarding the JTV 69 issues, are a perfect example of how providing potential customers with details of quality issues, can change production. GOOD JOB.

Hey  - I do have my own set of established opinions based on my own needs, which may not be what others desire or want, and details I pick up on that are deal breakers for me, might me perfectly acceptable for others. If I spend my one hard earned money, and wait 2 years for a guitar, it better be right. Sadly the JTV-69 was not.

But I contacted Line6 Customer Service and they made it right - and actually my last two gigs the JTV-69 +HD-500X (with GK-3 to drive GR-55) was my guitar rig of choice 
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: vonrang on January 07, 2014, 06:07:31 AM
Regarding all the comments on the Line6 JTV-69, I too had major string spacing issues and sent it in under RMA and everything was resolved.

I just bought  a  black JTV-59 and am modding it now with the help of Shelly Ferrell of Nashville Fretworks. I will be replacing the GOTOH piezo bridge with a LR Baggs  piezo T-Bridge and a Bigsby over a Vibramate (yes, two sets of anchors installed). Leaving the stock pickups in place for now as I am happy with them through my ValveKing 100 full stack, but they will be potted in 50mm chrome covers along with a LP style pickguard and black selector switch plate. GOTOH locking tuners will round it out.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Ringleader on January 07, 2014, 04:08:57 PM
Quote from: Elantric on May 23, 2013, 10:00:36 AM
Modifications so far

1) Upgraded to GFS Locking Tuners $32 - these are actually from the same Asian supplier that Line 6 uses and bolt right on -
http://www.guitarfetish.com/Sperzel-Style-Locking-Tuners-3x3-Chrome_p_1172.html (http://www.guitarfetish.com/Sperzel-Style-Locking-Tuners-3x3-Chrome_p_1172.html)
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Thanks for this tip. Ordered these today as I have been looking for a drop in replacement locking tuner set for my 59.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: vonrang on January 08, 2014, 10:49:13 AM
I found GOTOH locking tuners on Philadelphia Luthier's Supply, then negotiated with Sweetwtaer to order them at a lower price.
Title: Re: Shelly Ferrell of Nashville Fretworks Bails on JTV-59 with Bigsby Project.
Post by: vonrang on February 08, 2014, 10:08:58 AM
After over a month of empty "I'll start it next week" and "I'll start it next Tuesday" Shelly Ferrell of Nashville Fretworks bailed on my project to upgrade my new JTV-59.


I picked up my disassembled guitar and a box of parts this morning.


In my opinion this is a very disappointing level of customer service and very unprofessional.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
QuoteIn my opinion this is a very disappointing level of customer service and very unprofessional.



Realize that many repair shops live and die by Customer Satisfaction (in this era of internet social networking its particularly crucial)
Its  for this reason the top shops will actually turn down,  any repair/mod if they are treading unknown territory with no recourse to solve the problems created by a poor choice of components

IMHO 90% of piezo loaded bridges spell disaster for the gear we talk about specifically due to mechanically induced adjacent string vibrations creating "crosstalk" that poses huge problems for Alt Tunings,  PU modelling etc.

Its this specific reason why Antares Autotune internal DSP Luthier kit and Fishman Tripleplay use divided hex magnetic pickups -(listen to me now and believe me later)

After using my RackVax recently,  I hear/feel the benefits of using a GK-3 with the Variax DSP Electric Models. They sound more natural and real and allow normal Palm muting techniques.

I now am considering putting the Tyler Variax guts into a small box and then mount Variax Control knobs in yet a smaller box I can mount on a mic stand waist high to change PUs adjust volume etc 18 inches away from my normal guitar controls.
Then use any GK3 guitar to drive it, like the Rackvax I helped Corey design.

Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: whippinpost91850 on February 08, 2014, 11:37:22 AM
After Buying a JTV89 to gut and make a Lefty, I was wondering is it possible to replace the Piezo pickups with a GK pickup? I'm sure I'm going to miss the ability to palm mute ( which I use a lot) and am also concerned about the crosstalk in alternative tunings.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Im working on a drop in small PC board that allows a raw GK3 mag PU only to drive the tyler variax guts.
No delivery schedule yet
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 11:45:55 AM
Also considering adapting the tripleplay too.

Provides full wireless guitar modeling and MIDI.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Virtual Madness on February 08, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Im working on a drop in small PC board that allows a raw GK3 mag PU only to drive the tyler variax guts.
No delivery schedule yet

Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 11:45:55 AM
Also considering adapting the tripleplay too.

Provides full wireless guitar modeling and MIDI.

This is exciting news Steve. I will be watching this topic closely!  :)
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: whippinpost91850 on February 09, 2014, 10:15:33 AM
Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
Im working on a drop in small PC board that allows a raw GK3 mag PU only to drive the tyler variax guts.
No delivery schedule yet
Count me in Steve, I would love to give this a try befor I just sell my JTV89 and forget the Lefty build. thanks Paul
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: vonrang on April 10, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 10:34:46 AM


Realize that many repair shops live and die by Customer Satisfaction (in this era of internet social networking its particularly crucial)
Its  for this reason the top shops will actually turn down,  any repair/mod if they are treading unknown territory with no recourse to solve the problems created by a poor choice of components

IMHO 90% of piezo loaded bridges spell disaster for the gear we talk about specifically due to mechanically induced adjacent string vibrations creating "crosstalk" that poses huge problems for Alt Tunings,  PU modelling etc.

Its this specific reason why Antares Autotune internal DSP Luthier kit and Fishman Tripleplay use divided hex magnetic pickups -(listen to me now and believe me later)

After using my RackVax recently,  I hear/feel the benefits of using a GK-3 with the Variax DSP Electric Models. They sound more natural and real and allow normal Palm muting techniques.

I now am considering putting the Tyler Variax guts into a small box and then mount Variax Control knobs in yet a smaller box I can mount on a mic stand waist high to change PUs adjust volume etc 18 inches away from my normal guitar controls.
Then use any GK3 guitar to drive it, like the Rackvax I helped Corey design.

I decided to do the work myself short of the inlay work. The inlays were done by Custom Inlays of Caneyville, KY. The photo is of the fretboard being stained with ebony stain and finished with Tru-Oil. The second picture is the finished custom JTV 59 "New Black".
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on April 10, 2014, 10:30:08 PM
Cool!

Looks great  - this is still my favorite guitar, although lately my surf band is ramping up again and Ive been playing my Squier J. Mascis Jazzmaster  a lot lately.

Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: whippinpost91850 on April 11, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Elantric, curious have you done anymore work on using a GK pickup with a JTV ?
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on April 11, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
Been up to my eyeballs in work related tasks, I do the FCC /CE Compliance tests for my company, so been away from home several weeks already this year.
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: whippinpost91850 on April 11, 2014, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: Elantric on April 11, 2014, 10:30:26 AM
Been up to my eyeballs in work related tasks, I do the FCC /CE Compliance tests for my company, so been away from home several weeks already this year.
Sounds like you've been very busy, hope in the future you'll be able to get backl to this. Paul
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: guitarno on April 13, 2016, 12:24:16 PM
Quote from: Elantric on May 24, 2013, 08:59:46 AM
Finally was able to play my modified JTV-59 a couple hours last night,
(https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi412.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fpp208%2Felantric%2F20130523_022424_zpsff90e2d6.jpg&hash=8d588950f85a2df584dfa74f022d6afac907beff)

highly recommended this setup - I classify the tone of this guitar as landing squarely in Gretsch 6120  zone.  I love the Bigsby too - and the stable bridge setup where I can always plant my Palm on the LP type bridge and never go sharp, like my other guitars with a Strat type tremolo bridge.

@Elantric

Steve,

   I know this is an old thread, but I have a JTV-59 that I'd love to put a bigsby on at some point. Right now, I'm looking for a hard shell case for it. What case are you using for your JTV-59 with the Bigsby, if you don't mind my asking?

Thanks! 8)
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: Elantric on April 13, 2016, 01:10:52 PM
Factory gig bag only

But Reverend Hard Shell case for SpaceHawk works

http://store.reverendguitars.com/product/standard-teardrop-two-tone-premium-hardshell-case/ (http://store.reverendguitars.com/product/standard-teardrop-two-tone-premium-hardshell-case/)
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: admin on February 02, 2020, 06:39:08 AM
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QuoteMarcus Truelove
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This is becoming my primary guitar! With a few additions it turned into a tone beast.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/VariaxUsers/?tn-str=*F&fref=gs&dti=1465580137096236&hc_location=group_dialog
Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: rockmancentralbob on September 07, 2021, 05:56:25 PM
Quote from: Elantric on February 08, 2014, 10:34:46 AM
After using my RackVax recently,  I hear/feel the benefits of using a GK-3 with the Variax DSP Electric Models. They sound more natural and real and allow normal Palm muting techniques.

I now am considering putting the Tyler Variax guts into a small box and then mount Variax Control knobs in yet a smaller box I can mount on a mic stand waist high to change PUs adjust volume etc 18 inches away from my normal guitar controls.
Then use any GK3 guitar to drive it, like the Rackvax I helped Corey design.

I'm working on a drop in small PC board that allows a raw GK3 mag PU only to drive the tyler variax guts.

I know this is an ancient post, but I am curious as to whatever happened to this project?
Did you ever manage to extract the guts of a JTV and mount them in a box?

I just bought a JTV-89F and a Helix Floorboard today so that I can do all the switching programmatically.
I also just ordered the hexpander board to go in my PRS that has the same Graph Tech Ghost LB6 trem installed that comes in the 89F.

So if I could extract the Variax board from the JTV and mount it in a small box that I could mount to my guitar strap (or close by), in theory I should be able to drive it from either the JTV-89F or my PRS, since they both have the same Graph Tech Ghost pickups. 

I guess the main question is how far I can run the 6 wires from the ghost saddles and the wires for the volume/tone controls?
Or would I be running them from the hexpander?
Or do I not even need the hexpander board at all?


Title: Re: JTV-59 with Bigsby
Post by: admin on October 01, 2021, 01:00:34 PM
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