GR-55 - USB Drivers for Windows 10

Started by midiman, July 17, 2015, 07:23:17 AM

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midiman

This may well have been asked before but are there drivers for Windows 10? I've tried using the latest Windows drivers from Roland's website but they don't appear to work. Thinking there may be a tweak or developer drivers somewhere

Elantric

#1
Here's the official word
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9763.msg109296#msg109296


http://www.boss.info/support/support_news/250011
ABOUT BOSS PRODUCT SUPPORT FOR WINDOWS(R) 10
Thank you sincerely for your ongoing use of products from BOSS.

Our statement regarding the use of BOSS products in combination with Microsoft Windows 10 is as follows.
At present, the drivers compatible with Microsoft(R) Windows(R) 8/8.1 that are available from BOSS's website do not support Windows 10.

With respect to Windows 10 compatibility information for BOSS products and driver support, we will proceed with verification following the release of the official version of Windows 10. We ask for your patience for the while until the information becomes available. We plan to announce the status of Windows 10 compatibility for BOSS products that are compatible with Windows 8.1.

Elantric

#2
I'll add that the burden of maintaining functioning drivers for each new version of Windows is not trivial. It killed a few companies (Axon, Sonorus, etc)

My suggestion is if you create Music and need a new Computer, buy it with Win 8.1 (and with USB2.0 ports), before Windows 10 becomes the only type of new Windows machine you can buy. It's going to be months before USB drivers for Windows 10 are bug free , and a few Music apps may not make the migration to Windows 10.

midiman

#3
OK Thanks. Looks like I won't be rushing to upgrade to Windows 10 from 7. I have been using a dual boot Win 10/7 for a while now and my gr55 is the only thing I use that won't work with 10

Elantric

Just a reminder - DO NOT UPGRADE TO WINDOWS 10

It will kill all your Audio from from Roland  / Boss  / Line-6 gear
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9763.msg112524#msg112524
QuoteYes I made the mistake of jumping on Windows 10 and Roland/BOSS USB drivers don't work. I checked the compatibility site and it reported "testing". I expected this.

midiman

Just a thought but are there any USB midi interfaces out there that have Win 10 drivers? Would be a good work around until all the above get round to it.

Line 6 claim to have Win 10 drivers for Variax USB interface but couldn't get it to work.

Christoplast

Roland has recently published an overall summary at http://www.roland.com/support/support_news/250024. Newer devices are already supported (including my UA-22, which appears to work fine for MIDI and Audio). Some get the chop here (including my venerable UM-2, which was perfectly serviceable under Win 8.1!) GR-55 is "in testing". I find it difficult to accept that Roland was caught out here - it's not as if Windows 10 is a surprise arrival.

Roland's poor support for its drivers is its Achilles' heel as far as I am concerned.

I've tried to find out why drivers are being re-written for Win 10 without success - I wouldn't be surprised it is just a question of identification or certification rather than anything to do with function.

Elantric

#7
Roland USB Drivers - Get latest Status
http://www.boss.info/support/support_news/250024

https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=9763.0



Read why Windows 10 requires rewritten ASIO and MIDI Drivers in my blog here
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=6125.msg112792#msg112792

Read why the ASIO and MIDI Drivers need to be rewritten for Windows 10 here
http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=226&t=83587&start=75


QuoteRe: Windows 10 - please do not upgrade! Discussion
Postby sonicstate » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:05 pm
Ed Doll wrote:
We discovered a serious issue for Audio/MIDI applications on Windows 10. After some time (a few seconds or a few minutes) audio recording or playback will contain noise (drop outs).
Steinberg Cubase 8 application shows this usually after a few seconds.

During our analysis we discovered the following behaviour of Windows 10:
The Windows MMCSS services will get disabled for any audio application when the user interacts with the computer. As a result the audio processing/streaming threads get suddenly the same importance as non time critical programs. Frequent audio drop outs will start to happen. We observed that moving windows and switching between running applications will result in this issue.


We currently work with Microsoft to investigate and hopefully soon resolve the issue.


Yes, now I noticed something similar on my setup. When I start cubase, all runs smooth as long as focus stays on cubase. Then if I switch to another window (like file explorer), and back to cubase, I get spikes even if I just move mouse over the project. Restarting cubase helps. Or opening empty project in parallel, activating it and the reactivating previous project - VST performance meter is back to normal. It is annoyance, I hope it is fixed soon.
Otherwise win10 works great, much smoother than win7 before. Cubase UI is also better, no borders around windows, so you can stack windows to each other without those ugly thick lines. Win10 fells so much better than win7, that I will not go back to win7 although there is above described annoyance.

Christoplast

It appears that the 8.1 drivers work perfectly as long as you can defeat the driver integrity check that causes the installation to fail. I've done this in Win 10 64-bit to revive my ancient UM-2 and my much newer GR-55, using Method 1 as set out in  http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-ultimate-guide-to-get-your-RolandEdirol-devices-to-work-with-Windows-10-Updated-m3267234.aspx on the Cakewalk Sonar forum.

midiman

Quote from: Christoplast on August 11, 2015, 12:00:58 AM
It appears that the 8.1 drivers work perfectly as long as you can defeat the driver integrity check that causes the installation to fail. I've done this in Win 10 64-bit to revive my ancient UM-2 and my much newer GR-55, using Method 1 as set out in  http://forum.cakewalk.com/The-ultimate-guide-to-get-your-RolandEdirol-devices-to-work-with-Windows-10-Updated-m3267234.aspx on the Cakewalk Sonar forum.

Thanks Christoplast. I will give it a go tonight. Driver compatibility with my GR-55 is the only thing holding me back from upgrading. Everything else is good to go

xtian82

Thank you so much!
It works perfectly for the GR55 (midi and audio) and I have done exactly the same modifications for the drivers of the Integra7 from Roland and everything is now up and running on Windows-10 (x64)!   ;D

midiman

#11
Tried it on Windows 10 Tech Preview with mixed results. Audio works great and GR-55 Librarian downloads patch data. GR-55 Floorboard wont connect. Has anybody else got GR-55 Floorboard to work with it?

Elantric


xtian82

No problem for me with GR-55 Floorboard  using the USB connection. It works correctly on my PC under the RTM windows 10 pro x64.

donlizard

Hi all,

I updated to Windows 10 right away, I love it! Then again I'm an IT Tech/nerd/life long musician. Lol
My GR-55, GT-100 and Roland/Edirol SD-80 Studio Canvas went to hell. So a huge thanx goes to Christoplast, as I have everything back working great with all programs. That method worked perfectly!
If anyone needs a hand let me know.

Thanx,
Don
Godin xTSA
GC1 - Strat
G&L F-100 with GK3
GT-100
GR-55
Roland/Edirol SD-80 Studio Sound Canvas
Roland KC-500 x2 (Running in stereo)
and waaaay too much other stuff.

admin

QuoteMy GR-55, GT-100 and Roland/Edirol SD-80 Studio Canvas went to hell. So a huge thanx goes to Christoplast, as I have everything back working great with all programs. That method worked perfectly!
If anyone needs a hand let me know.


Curious if you can test if resizing Windows has negative impact on Audio or MIDI Timing ( as reported by Steinberg below)


Windows 10 - please do not upgrade! Discussion
http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=226&t=83587&start=75

Quote
We discovered a serious issue for Audio/MIDI applications on Windows 10. After some time (a few seconds or a few minutes) audio recording or playback will contain noise (drop outs).
Steinberg Cubase 8 application shows this usually after a few seconds.

During our analysis we discovered the following behaviour of Windows 10:
The Windows MMCSS services will get disabled for any audio application when the user interacts with the computer. As a result the audio processing/streaming threads get suddenly the same importance as non time critical programs. Frequent audio drop outs will start to happen. We observed that moving windows and switching between running applications will result in this issue.

We currently work with Microsoft to investigate and hopefully soon resolve the issue.
Ed Doll, Support Manager
Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH
Hamburg, Germany

Jim Wintringham

what 8.1 drivers are needed? where can we find them? thanks!

I loaded in windows 10 on my laptop....also lost Audacity...it can't see any input output devices
Roland GR-55
Wechter Pathmaker PM 7354
Brian Moore i91.13 (China)
Zoom G2
Ventris Dual Reverb
Roland kc-300

Christoplast

The latest drivers from the official Roland support site. They arrive zipped. Unzip them and then locate the folder that the "method" says and follow the method from there. (You may already have the correct drivers if you have routinely kept up to date anyway).

Jim Wintringham

#18
Quote from: midiman on August 11, 2015, 01:18:23 PM
Tried it on Windows 10 Tech Preview with mixed results. Audio works great and GR-55 Librarian downloads patch data. GR-55 Floorboard wont connect. Has anybody else got GR-55 Floorboard to work with it?

I got the same result...librarian works, floorboard needed to select the GR-55 as the input/output in settings/preference ..Midi/usb,now both work


I did find the steps to "disable driver signature enforcement"

the first thing to do is remove any Roland driver on the computer (there is an uninstall option in the driver file). I missed this the first time I tried, and had to start over.

1. press the "window" button, and click on the "pc settings"

2. choose the "update and security" option at the bottom of the options

3.Next choose "recovery"

4. then "restart now" (the computer reboots)

5. next option is "troubleshoot"

6. then "advanced options"

7. choose "startup options" (computer reboots again)

8. finally at the list to choose "disable driver signature enforcement" (F7 button)

I got an alert from windows 10 when I started the install, then chose the "go ahead anyway" option.


I also tried my USB mixer with Audacity...that was still a no go not sure what it needs
Roland GR-55
Wechter Pathmaker PM 7354
Brian Moore i91.13 (China)
Zoom G2
Ventris Dual Reverb
Roland kc-300

donlizard

Hi Jim,

I tried it the way you did as well, that didn't work. You have to run the batch file it mentions in the method, reboot then it worked.
I use the floorboard for both my GR-55 and GT-100, they work great now.

Thanks,
Don
Godin xTSA
GC1 - Strat
G&L F-100 with GK3
GT-100
GR-55
Roland/Edirol SD-80 Studio Sound Canvas
Roland KC-500 x2 (Running in stereo)
and waaaay too much other stuff.

Jim Wintringham

I was upgrading from windows 8.1, so that might be why I didn't need the batch file (just glad it worked). Microsoft likes to make the whole world change to match them, instead of making things downward compatible
Roland GR-55
Wechter Pathmaker PM 7354
Brian Moore i91.13 (China)
Zoom G2
Ventris Dual Reverb
Roland kc-300

Kilgore

#21
Quote from: Jim Wintringham on August 14, 2015, 07:29:17 AM
I was upgrading from windows 8.1, so that might be why I didn't need the batch file (just glad it worked). Microsoft likes to make the whole world change to match them, instead of making things downward compatible
Actually, this is really Roland's lazyass fault, not Microsoft's. Roland drivers can work perfectly well in the Windows 10 environment. They just for some ungodly reason won't take the time to amend their driver installation files in order for the drivers to install. Millions of people across the globe have upgraded their computers and laptops to Windows 10, and thousands upon thousands of devices have had no issues whatsoever. Roland had all the time in the world to adjust. Millions of other companies found the time. Roland didn't. Thankfully, resourceful people have picked up the slack and did the work Roland should have done in the first place. A very simple adjustment and we have our devices working again. Roland is a terrible, terrible company when it comes to customer service and support.

Christoplast

Quote from: admsustainiac on August 13, 2015, 12:01:51 AM

During our analysis we discovered the following behaviour of Windows 10:
The Windows MMCSS services will get disabled for any audio application when the user interacts with the computer. As a result the audio processing/streaming threads get suddenly the same importance as non time critical programs. Frequent audio drop outs will start to happen. We observed that moving windows and switching between running applications will result in this issue.


Using my Roland UA-22 for audio on Windows 8.1 64-bit, I had noticed that scrolling the display in Chrome quite often caused audio gapping (for instance, whilst playing iTunes). This annoying behaviour continues in Windows 10. I wonder if this is caused by the same phenomenon that Steinberg has detected?

Elantric

#23
QuoteActually, this is really Roland's lazyass fault, not Microsoft's. Roland drivers can work perfectly well in the Windows 10 environment. They just for some ungodly reason won't take the time to amend their driver installation files in order for the drivers to install. Millions of people across the globe have upgraded their computers and laptops to Windows 10, and thousands upon thousands of devices have had no issues whatsoever. Roland had all the time in the world to adjust. Millions of other companies found the time. Roland didn't. Thankfully, resourceful people have picked up the slack and did the work Roland should have done in the first place. A very simple adjustment and we have our devices working again. Roland is a terrible, terrible company when it comes to customer service and support.

Actually in the Windows Pro Audio world, there are only a few released  Windows 10 ASIO Audio / MIDI drivers

* RME
http://www.rme-audio.de/en/downloads/driver/uc.php

* Focusrite
http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/windows-10-compatibility

* Line6
http://line6.com/software/index.html


* Presonus
http://support.presonus.com/entries/70540420-PreSonus-Windows-10-Compatibility-Statement


While at this hour, the companies below are still working on bug free  / noise free versions

* Steinberg / Yamaha

* Roland / Boss

* MOTU

* Native Instruments

* Behringer
http://forum.music-group.com/showthread.php?8182-Windows-10-and-FCA1616-WDM-Driver-Problems

donlizard

Hi Jim,

Sorry, my misunderstanding, I upgraded from Windows 7 Pro, and there seems to be less issues than going from Windows 8.1.
On another note the drivers and etc that I used for ASIO4All, in Windows 7, are still working fine in Windows 10.
I even did the whole method thing for my Roland/Edirol SD-80 Studio Sound Canvas from 2002, and it worked great!
I wish there would be a better editor for it, the original one is waaaay too confusing.

Thanks,
Don
Godin xTSA
GC1 - Strat
G&L F-100 with GK3
GT-100
GR-55
Roland/Edirol SD-80 Studio Sound Canvas
Roland KC-500 x2 (Running in stereo)
and waaaay too much other stuff.