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Offline admsustainiac

Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #75 on: November 01, 2016, 01:47:16 PM »
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« Last Edit: November 05, 2016, 01:01:12 PM by Elantric »

Offline admsustainiac

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #76 on: November 01, 2016, 02:39:42 PM »
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Oopah Loopah Ver 7.1 welcomes the new Captain onboard. Introducing the Boss RC505. For the past almost 6 years the Boomerang III + Sidecar has served me well as a valuable and reliable main looper. In the past week of trials and crash test experiments with the RC505, it has stood it's own proving to be a worthy contender to take over from where the Rang has served reliably and some of the brow raising discoveries include the tight syncing between these 2 units. The Rang will be set aside for now but will be on close standby. (In this pic) The Boss RC505 (above) and the Boomerang III + Sidecar (below) Randolf Arriola (Live Loop

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2016, 03:47:53 AM »
I'm bumping this


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There's a problem with a built in noise gate that cuts of reverb tails and makes a unpleasant stutter.
There seems to be no way to acces the threshold , but my guess is that you can from Sysex , anyone got any clue to how to go about the problem. ...??
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Offline Elantric

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2016, 06:18:41 AM »
I detest Noise gates myself, and prefer to use gear with high dynamic range, If I have a noisy Distortion pedal, I use it judiciously and prefer to self gate the noise using a volume pedal in front of the looper  - but I expect the Built in FX in any Looper product to  be an after thought and not as good as dedicated FX 

The bummer is the Looped audio on Roland RC-300, RC-505 pedals appears to be 16 bit , (not 24 bit)

My big hunt at the moment is locating the Roland RC-505 Complete MIDI Implementation doc
But this is rather hopeless

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2016, 06:25:29 AM »
It's not the built in fx , this is a noise gate on the input
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I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

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- Lydia Lunch

Offline Elantric

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2016, 06:43:20 AM »

here is another thread where RC-505 noise is mentioned

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electronic-music-instruments-electronic-music-production/1066967-boss-rc-505-loop-station-background-noise-hiss.html
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You either have a defective looper, or it's set up wrong, or the signal being input into the looper is noisy.

To ensure that the RC-505 is set up correctly, read throught the setup procedure in the manual. It tells you how to set the input and output volumes.

It's possible that you could have gain staging problems in your mixer, or a hardware defect in the mixer that's causing the problem. To determine if your input signal is noisy, plug a set of headphones into the jack on your mixer that's feeding the RC-505. Is the sound noisy through the phones?
Its important to know the Noise floor of each FX in the signal chain

I suspect noise is a result of improper gain staging 
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/boss/rc-505-loop-station-g5570/
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 09:02:28 AM by Elantric »

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2016, 07:06:11 AM »
This is not about hiss and noise going into the 505 , the problem is that it has a built in noise gate that cuts FI reverb tails or every very low volume sound and the result is a stuttering sound not pleasant.
And there's no way to turn it off or change the threshold unless one can access it through Sysex or a midi that's not in the manual.

The problem occurs with reverb tails , there's no way to loop a ECMish sound , it doesn't matter that the signal going to the rc505 is clean, I did record the same sound into a roland SPDX and looped that with perfect result.
The same with my old looper DD-20
« Last Edit: November 02, 2016, 07:11:09 AM by Brak(E)man »
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #82 on: November 05, 2016, 06:41:32 AM »
No one experienced this ?
Anyone ?


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I'm bumping this


There's a problem with a built in noise gate that cuts of reverb tails and makes a unpleasant stutter.
There seems to be no way to acces the threshold , but my guess is that you can from Sysex , anyone got any clue to how to go about the problem. ...??

swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2017, 02:33:19 AM »
update about the Noise Gate issue.
The firmware update 2.0.0 have adressed this problem.
the noise gate threshold is now available under System settings.
no stutter and cut off reverb tails anymore
as well as many new functions in other areas.
I can highly recommend RC505 after this update
( I wish that Roland/Boss would go about flaws in the design of other products as well , fi SY-300 )
« Last Edit: August 05, 2017, 09:27:41 AM by Brak(E)man »
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline admsustainiac

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2017, 07:06:59 AM »
 Thank you


New Manual
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/RC-505_V2_e02_W.pdf


and for what it's worth when folks complain why no new Boss GK 13 pin products,  here's a perfect example.
realize the very same Roland /Boss engineering team that works on GK processors  is also the same team that are working on many other -Roland Boss. products  - including the RC-505  and Katana and MS-3 ,etc , so the typical workload for them is a bit like putting out fires and management coordinating priorities on where to apply their engineering effort's

Happy the RC-505 fell into their focus for new firmware.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2017, 06:11:24 PM by Elantric »

Offline Beirne

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2017, 01:10:58 PM »

So have you solved the remote foot control issue by just pressing the hand buttons with your feet?

http://www.imgrum.net/media/1327925578581928141_1531883054

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Oopah Loopah Ver 7.1 welcomes the new Captain onboard. Introducing the Boss RC505. For the past almost 6 years the Boomerang III + Sidecar has served me well as a valuable and reliable main looper. In the past week of trials and crash test experiments with the RC505, it has stood it's own proving to be a worthy contender to take over from where the Rang has served reliably and some of the brow raising discoveries include the tight syncing between these 2 units. The Rang will be set aside for now but will be on close standby. (In this pic) The Boss RC505 (above) and the Boomerang III + Sidecar (below) Randolf Arriola (Live Loop

Offline admsustainiac

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2017, 01:56:56 PM »
So have you solved the remote foot control issue by just pressing the hand buttons with your feet?

Contact the source


http://www.imgrum.org/media/1327925578581928141_1531883054

Offline chrish

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2017, 01:51:19 PM »
I detest Noise gates...
I'm with you on that one. I'd rather hear the noise all the time then only when I play a note. Nothing like hearing the same Out Of Tune pitch noise on every note you play.

Maybe instead of a Noise Gate, there could be something like a 'pitched noise gate' that gives the noise the same pitch as the note your playing.

Offline admsustainiac

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #88 on: October 18, 2017, 02:36:37 PM »
I'm with you on that one. I'd rather hear the noise all the time then only when I play a note. Nothing like hearing the same Out Of Tune pitch noise on every note you play.

Maybe instead of a Noise Gate, there could be something like a 'pitched noise gate' that gives the noise the same pitch as the note your playing.

I just use my ears, and select gear within my budget which exhibits the  most dynamic range, with distortion free headroom and lowest noise floor 

http://libremusicproduction.com/answer/noise-floor


A lot of noise can be eliminated with proper cabling and correct gain staging at each element in the signal chain

https://ledgernote.com/columns/studio-recording/gain-staging/
« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 02:42:30 PM by admsustainiac »

Offline chrish

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #89 on: October 18, 2017, 04:47:46 PM »
Yes even something as simple as a power cord running parallel to an audio cord will create noise.

I was surprised when I encountered noise on an acoustic guitar patch on the VG 99 that was only there when each note was being played. I looked at the creators patch parameters and sure enough The Noise Gate was turned on. Turning the Noise Gate off produced the constant noise.

So I did as you suggest and checked the many gain stages and adjusted those but the noise, while softer, is still present. I guess I don't quite understand how noise is a factor in DSP code.

I was quite surprised to see how quiet my newly-acquired analog GR300 and GR100 are. Even the spicetone 6appeal can become very quiet when the gain stages are turned down.

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #90 on: October 19, 2017, 01:22:50 AM »
Internal micro_SD Card memory ( 4GB)
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Is it possible to change sd card to a bigger one like on Roland Spd-sx ?
« Last Edit: October 19, 2017, 01:31:23 AM by Brak(E)man »
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2017, 01:29:43 AM »
I'm with you on that one. I'd rather hear the noise all the time then only when I play a note. Nothing like hearing the same Out Of Tune pitch noise on every note you play.

Maybe instead of a Noise Gate, there could be something like a 'pitched noise gate' that gives the noise the same pitch as the note your playing.

If the noise level is so high that one hears it while playing then something is off.

When I started mastering CDs instead of only vinyl , the recording media was still tape.
So instead of having digital silence in the pauses , tape noise was inserted in the pause at a low level.
That said I use noise gate a lot without any problem as long as the threshold and release works fine
and the noise is at a low level to start with
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline chrish

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #92 on: October 19, 2017, 10:27:52 AM »
If the noise level is so high that one hears it while playing then something is off.

When I started mastering CDs instead of only vinyl , the recording media was still tape.
So instead of having digital silence in the pauses , tape noise was inserted in the pause at a low level.
That said I use noise gate a lot without any problem as long as the threshold and release works fine
and the noise is at a low level to start with
the noise that I was describing on that VG 99 acoustic guitar patch is not very noticeable at high volumes but I play at very low volumes these days due to tinnitus issues.

there are so many gain stages in the vg-99 including starting at the sensitivity settings for the hex pickup. It seems like the creator of that patch must have heard the noise also because the Noise Gate was on.

 But the thing is that it's the best patch for acoustic modeled tone that I've encountered.

 Running it with the Noise Gate off is preferable to having what kind of sounds like a low volume snare sizzle kick in every time I play a note.

If I go to something like the factory Jazz guitar chorus patch, I don't hear any of that type of noise.

Offline Brak(E)man

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #93 on: October 19, 2017, 11:49:51 AM »
the noise that I was describing on that VG 99 acoustic guitar patch is not very noticeable at high volumes but I play at very low volumes these days due to tinnitus issues.

there are so many gain stages in the vg-99 including starting at the sensitivity settings for the hex pickup. It seems like the creator of that patch must have heard the noise also because the Noise Gate was on.

 But the thing is that it's the best patch for acoustic modeled tone that I've encountered.

 Running it with the Noise Gate off is preferable to having what kind of sounds like a low volume snare sizzle kick in every time I play a note.

If I go to something like the factory Jazz guitar chorus patch, I don't hear any of that type of noise.

I also play on very very low volume due to severe tinnitus and hyper accusis , but do you mean that
the noise is more noticeable in the same patch played at a low level ?
swimming with a hole in my body

I play Country music too, I'm just not sure which country it's from...

"The only thing worse than a guitar is a guitarist!"
- Lydia Lunch

Offline philjynx

Re: New Boss RC-505 Loopstation
« Reply #94 on: October 19, 2017, 02:52:45 PM »
I also play on very very low volume due to severe tinnitus
Tinnitus is a f pig. I have that (mostly thanks to black & decker sander in the 70's - ironically being used on a custom telecaster I was making) I've found that less coffee=less tinnitus.
I am playing all the right notes. But not necessarily in the right order.

 

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