GK 2A switch does no t scroll on holding down.

Started by JCcares, May 16, 2011, 11:30:07 PM

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JCcares

I use the GK2a pup.I am wondering why the 2 switches does nto scroll through the patches while use with the GR55 like it did on the older synths I used.Each time i press the switch it moves one patch higher or lower but does not run through the patch while pressing & holding down! Is this normal? If so it is a time stealer on a live gig!

gumtown

I can't recall my GR-20 scrolling through patches.
For myself, I think it would be a bad idea for a live gig situation wanting to move to the next patch and finding you have scrolled past 6 or more patches instead.
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Elantric

On the GR-55, the GK-3's S1 & S2 switches default to GR-55 program "Bank Up", and "Bank Down".

JCcares

Well on the GR33 the GK2A scrolls down only when held for more than a few secs & helps in negotiating your way from one bank to the other in a jiffy.I think it is a cool feature & will keep them buttons from wearing out soon.I hope Roland gives it a thought.

fizog

Quote from: JCcares on May 16, 2011, 11:30:07 PM
I use the GK2a pup.I am wondering why the 2 switches does nto scroll through the patches while use with the GR55 like it did on the older synths I used.Each time i press the switch it moves one patch higher or lower but does not run through the patch while pressing & holding down! Is this normal? If so it is a time stealer on a live gig!

If I recall correctly, the GK-2A buttons worked the same way with the VG-8 as they do with the GR-55, ie they function as 'bank up' and 'bank down' switches.

JCcares

I guess the bank up or patch up is an option but what I tried to mention was the fast scrolling done by the press of the button,like it does on the foot switch 1 & 2 when changing banks.Somehow I feel that changing patches from one end to another doesn't seem very user friendly on the GR55.

jomo

Hi,
I'm also frustrated by this having to tap through all the way to find the patch I want. The scrolling function was WAY better on the GR30. If I loop something I have now to tap my Godin buttons all the way to the next sound I want, this as you said a time killer on a live gig. Furthermore, as I tap through the patches , many of them ' sound ' as I'm passing them. This is not helpful at a gig. For me or my audience. it's such a small thing, but it has ( for some ) a big drawback. btw, have you found a solution?
john

Shel

Roland is obviously not willing to support this product or any simple improvements.  They could program it to do a ramped scroll... start slow then go faster.   My other complaint is they chose a 13-pin DIN connector which is crap because it's not reliable.  A 15pin D-sub connector (like a VGA connector) would have been a much smarter move.. it can be locked in place and it would be serviceable. 

gumbo

....but if you do want a 13-pin DIN jack that isn't crap or unreliable, I do sell them.... 
...so that you can still use all the 13-pin cables that you already own    ::)

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Cheers from Oz,

Peter
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Shel

Gumbo,  The DIN pins are too small and not gold coated hence they don't always make a sure contact.   Nature of the cheap DIN beast.   A D-sub has bigger pins, gold plated option and two screws to lock it down plus the the mating connector has a right angle cable mount available.    Otherwise, a military grade DIN would be an option (outer twist locking system with gold pins) but to buy one at a reasonable price isn't possible (see Amphenol or ITT Canon products).. and you may need special tools for either crimping the wires to the pins or inserting the pins in the housing, or both. 

I'm using the Ghost system (pc mounted right-angle DIN at the guitar) and when the opportunity of over-frustration presents itself, I'll be changing to the D-sub.. they're available at every electronics store and not expensive.  In the meantime, I'm waiting for the mfr. warranty to expire.

"Most of time the engineers that design this stuff aren't the ones using it.. " 

gumbo

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Quote from: Shel on October 28, 2017, 08:08:43 AM
Gumbo,  The DIN pins are too small and not gold coated hence they don't always make a sure contact.   Nature of the cheap DIN beast.   A D-sub has bigger pins, gold plated option and two screws to lock it down plus the the mating connector has a right angle cable mount available.    Otherwise, a military grade DIN would be an option (outer twist locking system with gold pins) but to buy one at a reasonable price isn't possible (see Amphenol or ITT Canon products).. and you may need special tools for either crimping the wires to the pins or inserting the pins in the housing, or both. 

I'm using the Ghost system (pc mounted right-angle DIN at the guitar) and when the opportunity of over-frustration presents itself, I'll be changing to the D-sub.. they're available at every electronics store and not expensive.  In the meantime, I'm waiting for the mfr. warranty to expire.

"Most of time the engineers that design this stuff aren't the ones using it.. "


Thank you for your comments.


I absolutely agree...there are many (more expensive & intrusive) options available that would offer a greater degree of serviceability than the 13-pin DIN plug that Roland uses..
...it all comes down to

How much you want to spend
How comfortable you are with major surgery to your instrument
Whether you want to build specialised cables to suit


Synth-Linx Jacks that I produce are simply designed as a direct replacement for the Roland original items with no extra woodwork necessary.  The jacks are built with a positive 'ground' connection with the jackplug, which overcomes the 'sloppiness' of the fit of the original, and thus overcomes the drop-outs experienced in the past. They accept the standard Roland-style 13-pin locking jackplug so that all original cables can be used.

Primova sells premium-grade 13-pin (DIN) cables that are available in various lengths and with varying configurations of straight and right-angled DIN connectors that are excellent value-for-money.


While some users may wish to take the exercise to a higher level as you suggest, it is all about deciding for oneself as to how far into this aspect that one needs or wants to go.   Horses-for-courses.

No offense taken...just prudent to tell the whole story perhaps..

Cheers,
Peter
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