AXON Editor and Mac OSX Sierra, any hope ?

Started by ThenCameNow, February 24, 2017, 06:07:24 AM

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ThenCameNow

Hi everyone,

I'm taking the plunge to update from Yosemite to Sierra on my Mac Pro since I have a couple weeks between projects. I have an old MacBook Pro 2008 loaded with Snow Leopard so I can edit my AX-50 but I want to retire that computer soon.

Is there any hope of someone porting the AXON Editor to a post Snow Leopard OS ? Even Lion 10.7 would do so I could have a partition on my 64bit machine with just that and the editor.

Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
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ThenCameNow

Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

gumtown

I guess not,
I don't think anyone wants to invest 100's of hours developing software for a long discontinued product.
Get an old windows laptop to run your old legacy software !!
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

GuitarBuilder

I would think you could create a small partition on your Mac Pro to hold Snow Leopard and the AX-50 Editor.  You could even image the entire MBP drive with Disk Utility and restore it to a new partition on the Mac Pro.
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

mooncaine

First do some research and make sure, if you can, that the other Mac model will boot Snow Leopard, or Yosemite, or whichever Mac OS it is. Some models won't boot a certain OS, right? Like, you probably couldn't get a Mac Pro to start if its system disk was OSX 10.2 or so... right? That's what I thought.

gumtown

Quote from: mooncaine on March 01, 2017, 05:17:04 PM
First do some research and make sure, if you can, that the other Mac model will boot Snow Leopard, or Yosemite, or whichever Mac OS it is. Some models won't boot a certain OS, right? Like, you probably couldn't get a Mac Pro to start if its system disk was OSX 10.2 or so... right? That's what I thought.

The latest hardware is 64 bit, but should run a 32 bit OS on a separate disk partition,
Mac OS X 10.2 probably not, as I don't think that far back supports intel CPU, only the PPC mac.
10.4 supports intel CPU, and you should be safe to run old software up to OSX 10.7

The latter mac 64 bit operating systems do not support older 32 bit programs too well.
And you can not run 64 bit operating system on 32 bit hardware (but can the other way around).
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

ThenCameNow

Both Snow Leopard and the AXON editor require a 32 bit machine, that's why I have my old MacBook Pro 2008 loaded with Snow Leopard so I can edit my AX-50. My Mac Pro is 64 bit and won't accept either Snow Leopard or the AXON editor, so a partition is pointless.


Just wondering if updating that software to 64 bit is such a big deal. I wouldn't think it'd be 100s of hours to write the code for an update. Anyway, I guess the 2008 MacBook Pro will have to stay here for editing when I need it. I haven't found a better converter than the AXON, it's so fast and precise.
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
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gumtown

Quote from: ThenCameNow on March 04, 2017, 05:52:52 AMJust wondering if updating that software to 64 bit is such a big deal. I wouldn't think it'd be 100s of hours to write the code for an update.

If you have the original source code, then it is not so hard,
but without it, you have to start from scratch.
Do you have access to the AXON companies original source code?
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

ThenCameNow

Nope, don't have the source code. But if I could find it, do you someone who would take this on ?
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

GuitarBuilder

Here's another approach: can you get a Windows editor for the AXON?  If so, you could put a small Win7 partition on the Mac Pro and run the program in 32-bit mode?

Yet another path would be using virtualization software in Sierra.
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

ThenCameNow

well ... like i said my mac pro is 64 bit

that won't work

i'm asking around to see if i can find a programmer to port it to 64 bit
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

gumtown

Both of those options suggested will work on your 64 bit mac.

A lot less work that someone spending 100's of hours re-coding software,
if you can supply the original source code from the original developer.
I don't think the original source code would be that easy to get,
asking someone to give away what is a private corporation's hard work and secrets for free.
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

GuitarBuilder

Quote from: ThenCameNow on March 06, 2017, 07:53:51 AM
well ... like i said my mac pro is 64 bit

that won't work

i'm asking around to see if i can find a programmer to port it to 64 bit

Yes it will!
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

ThenCameNow

No it won't.


You cannot boot a 64 bit Mac with OS 10.6 Snow Leopard.
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
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ThenCameNow

Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

Elantric

#15
QuoteNo it won't.


You cannot boot a 64 bit Mac with OS 10.6 Snow Leopard.

True - but you can run many 32 bit programs on a 64 bit OS
http://superuser.com/questions/375977/how-can-i-run-a-32-bit-app-on-64-bit-osx-10-7-2


But it Depends on the the 32 bit OSX app and its need for "Carbon"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS
QuoteApple's original plan with macOS was to require all developers to rewrite their software into the Cocoa APIs. This caused much outcry among existing Mac developers, who threatened to abandon the platform rather than invest in a costly rewrite, and the idea was shelved.[20][64] To permit a smooth transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X, the Carbon Application Programming Interface (API) was created.[20] Applications written with Carbon were initially able to run natively on both classic Mac OS and Mac OS X, although this ability was later dropped as Mac OS X developed. Carbon was not included in the first product sold as Mac OS X: the little-used original release of Mac OS X Server 1.0, which also did not include the Aqua interface.[citation needed] Apple limited further development of Carbon from the release of Leopard onwards, announcing Carbon applications would not receive the ability to run at 64-bit.[64] As of 2015, a small number of older Mac OS X apps with heritage dating back to the classic Mac OS still used Carbon, including Microsoft Office. Early versions of macOS could also run some classic Mac OS applications through the Classic Environment with performance limitations; this feature was removed from 10.5 onwards and all Macs using Intel processors.
http://terratec.ultron.info/AXON/AXON_AX_50_USB/Manuals/AXON_AX_50_USB_Manual_EN_2.0.pdf

ThenCameNow

 
The AX-50 editor will open, but it's crippled. It will not communicate with the AX-50 and all options are rendered useless.


I'm looking into the application called 32 Lives. It's specifically made for 32 bit VST and AU plugins to run on 64 bit machines and apparently it works really well.


Not made for hosting full applications though. Waiting to hear back if they'll get into apps as well.
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

Elantric

#17
QuoteThe AX-50 editor will open, but it's crippled. It will not communicate with the AX-50 and all options are rendered useless.

might try this

https://support.novationmusic.com/hc/en-gb/articles/206862119-My-USB-MIDI-Device-isn-t-working-on-my-Mac


Further info here

http://www.macosaudio.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=51068

QuoteThe Terratec Editor works with OS X 6.x - as the last version supported . All newer OSX versions do not support the app any longer.

gumtown

VM Ware, you can run a 32 shell under your 64 mac and operating system.
You can run an early version of 32 bit mac or windows, inside your 64 bit operating system.
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

GuitarBuilder

Quote from: ThenCameNow on March 06, 2017, 12:54:58 PM
No it won't.


You cannot boot a 64 bit Mac with OS 10.6 Snow Leopard.

You clearly did not read my post very well - I suggested a Win 7 partition using Boot Camp.  You would still boot your Mac using Sierra.  Get the Windows version of the Axon editor and you will be all set.
"There's no-one left alive, it must be a draw"  Peter Gabriel 1973

ThenCameNow

GuitarBuilder - I have indeed read your posts and you have never suggested using Boot Camp. But since you're such the expert with attitude perhaps you can answer these questions for me;


I would like to try Boot Camp. Can I use it in tandem with Logic so I can hear the edits I'm making? Or is Boot Camp launched separately rendering apps in Sierra useless?


And which version of Windows would you suggest?


Thanks.
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

gumtown

QuoteAnd which version of Windows would you suggest?
The Windows version of AX100 editor was last released in 2008, so it would run well on Windows 7,
also Windows Xp will be a more light-weight install.
Free "GR-55 FloorBoard" editor software from https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/

arkieboy

I agree with gum town.  VMWare or Virtual Box are your best bets.  Virtual Box runs a seamless mode, you might not even notice you're not on OSX


In any case the editor runs better in its windows implementation - speaking as a long time mac user.


I have an old thinkpad with XP for all my vintage kit, including my axon
Main rig: Barden Hexacaster and Brian Moore i2.13 controllers
Boss SY1000/Boss GKC-AD/Boss GM-800/Laney LFR112

Other relevant gear: Line 6 Helix LT, Roland GR-33, Axon AX100 MkII
Oberheim Matrix 6R, Supernova IIR, EMu E5000, Apple Mainstage, Apple Logic, MOTU M4

ThenCameNow

Thanks arkieboy. I think I'm going to give Virtual Box a go. Seamless is what I need.
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
RobertCharlesMann.com

ThenCameNow

... and which version of Windows do you recommend ?
Godin XTSA - AXON AX50
MacPro6,1 - 64GB RAM - MacOS 12.7.3 - Logic Pro 10.7.9
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