Programming the Sy-300

Started by Belewguitar, June 17, 2016, 01:15:45 PM

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szilard

If you didn't start with an initialized patch you could also trying writing down the osc and filter settings and whatever else you need and then initialize a patch you don't need and build it up from scratch. When learning I think it is helpful to tweak existing patches to see how different osc, filters, envelops effect the sound, but when you want a new patch it's a good idea to start from scratch. There can be something set that you didn't notice that can drive you crazy 'cuz something doesn't seem right.

gumtown

Do you have the input section calibrated to your guitar?
That is where I would start off first..
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Belewguitar

Okay guys.... Now ALL of my patches are peaking through the speakers. headphones and monitors
NO my guitar isn't broken, its just missing its head.

Elantric

Clipping/Distortion will occur easily if you are not careful with each gain stage in the entire signal chain

gumtown

Adjust your levels down, if you hit the On/Off bypass footswitch, your patches should not be too much louder than the bypass tone.
There are many stages you can turn the levels back, most cases '50' is unity gain, so if everything is max'ed to '100', you are pushing your gain through the roof.

I assume you are feeding the guitar directly into the SY-300 input?
and have done the input level settings/calibration....
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Belewguitar

Hey cats!
Its going really well. I think I have something close to what I'm looking for!


NOW I have another question!

I have a Boss FS-7 pedal. How do I go about programming it? What cable do I need? I don't think both switches are showing up with the standard Guitar patch cable.

What switches will be what controls??

HALP!

Thank you guys for everything!
NO my guitar isn't broken, its just missing its head.

Elantric

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I advise learn from the past masters of Roland / Boss FX patch programmers , read the detailed user created docs  that explain strategies for Control Assignments here:

Learn to Program Roland/Boss Processors
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=88.0

and read:

Control  / Expression Options
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=33.0

Boss FS-7 Dual Footswitch
https://www.vguitarforums.com/smf/index.php?topic=13238.0

SY-300 assign  [toggle] + FS-7  [Latch] = double latching, pedal requires 2 presses to do one function (effect on/off)

SY-300 assign  [toggle] + FS-7  [Moment] = press once to toggle effect on/off, pedal led only lights while held down

SY-300 assign  [moment] + FS-7  [moment] = effect only on while pedal held down, pedal led only on while held down

SY-300 assign  [moment] + FS-7  [Latch] = press once to toggle effect on/off, pedal led toggles with effect status

aehaem

You will need a stereo patch cable to connect the FS7, with a standard Guitar cable only one of both Switches will work. To program those switches you´ll need to go Menu, ctl/exp, CTL 1- 3 is for the internal CTL switches, CTL 4 + 5 are for the connected FS. You can make them global functions or per patch. When you select CTL (1-5) you have up to 6 functions for each...

Belewguitar

Hey everybody. I would like to apologize for not noticing the page button.... I seen Gumtown's post but couldn't find it until today, alas, I found the page numbers in the bottom left corner.... ugh.

Sorry about that  ;D ::)
NO my guitar isn't broken, its just missing its head.

Belewguitar

Quote from: aehaem on June 23, 2016, 09:11:03 AM
You will need a stereo patch cable to connect the FS7, with a standard Guitar cable only one of both Switches will work. To program those switches you´ll need to go Menu, ctl/exp, CTL 1- 3 is for the internal CTL switches, CTL 4 + 5 are for the connected FS. You can make them global functions or per patch. When you select CTL (1-5) you have up to 6 functions for each...

Am I wrong in thinking that if I assigned ctl 2 and 3 I wouldn't be able to use them to switch between patches?
NO my guitar isn't broken, its just missing its head.

gumtown

Quote from: Belewguitar on June 23, 2016, 10:35:00 AM
Am I wrong in thinking that if I assigned ctl 2 and 3 I wouldn't be able to use them to switch between patches?
That is the case - Yes patch switching, or assigned to something else.
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Rhcole

I have used aux switches to advance patches, but it is wonky. Press and hold doesn't execute, nor does the tuner. You should stay with the regular controls or control via MIDI.

aehaem

Would be cool if you could "remote" the internal (and external) CTL´s (1-5) with Midi...

gumtown

Quote from: aehaem on June 23, 2016, 09:28:48 PM
Would be cool if you could "remote" the internal (and external) CTL´s (1-5) with Midi...
You could will a midi controlled switch for CTL-4 & CTL-5..

It is not the CTL pedals that need to be midi controlled, but rather the functions assigned to the CTL pedals which you can control via midi cc# control, and system exclusive midi control.
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aehaem

I know, you can assign up to 5 Midi CC´s to each one function, but with the internal CTL´s you can have up to 6 functions signed to one footswitch...

Sysex is another thing, that I´ll have to become acquainted with... I know my Midi Controller can (Gordius LittleGiant) and I read the SY300´s Midi Sysex Plan (don´t remember the right name right now...;-)), but I don`t know how to handle...

JackoBass

Quote from: Belewguitar on June 19, 2016, 09:31:02 PM
Hey everybody.... I found this:
This is totally it... it even has a visual as to how to set a Soft synth... How do I set My SY-300 like this??? I'm dying for it... PLEASE HELP. It's such a simple beautiful sound.


lright y'all, sorry to shut you down. It's not a triangle, it's not osc sync, it's not multiple oscs, it's not a filter sweep. It's one saw going through a slightly resonant LPF. That's it. It has a bit of portamento and vibrato on the modwheel of course. But there's no other filter motion.

Getting that EXACT tone may be tricky since it is highly dependent on the filter, and every synth (ESPECIALLY analog Moog synths) has a different filter. But I would go with a standard 24db/oct LP, a LITTLE resonance and drive, and then put the cutoff at around 1-2 o'clock. You'll have to tweak it to taste, however that will get you in the ballpark. If your filters don't have a drive option you might want a tiny bit of post-saturation to help emulate the raw sound of an analog synth. Your oscillator should just be a simple saw wave.

Quick mockup:




Remember, try tweaking resonance, gain, cutoff and filter type to get REALLY close. A little post EQ might not hurt either.

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