String Dampers - Improves DSP Modeling, Alt Tuning, GTR-MIDI

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Hi all,

As RMC & Elantric note, the string string runs between the bridge and the tailpiece should be dampened/muted with foam, felt, etc. - primarily true for piezo bridge pickups.

If you're wondering how much difference this makes, try strumming between the bridge and the tailpiece. It's as loud as strumming where you're supposed to be. Those off-key pitches will mess up any synth tracking you're doing, and just sound bad for anything else.

Here's something else I've found: strum between the nut and the tuning pegs: loud as anything there too, comes through the pickup quite nicely. Blech. Mute there as well.

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Elantric

>Be sure to damp the strings below the bridge and above the nut with felt or foam or such on these.

Indeed  - Jennifer Batten employed a Van Epps String Damper - to specifically control this issue on stage when playing MIDI guitar live  while backing up Jeff Beck.

http://www.batten.com/String-Damper-Evolution.html

http://www.scottymoore.net/dampers.html


kneagle

Quote from: sustainiac on December 12, 2008, 03:16:53 PM
>Be sure to damp the strings below the bridge and above the nut with felt or foam or such on these.

Indeed  - Jennifer Batten employed a Van Epps String Damper - to specifically control this issue on stage when playing MIDI guitar live  while backing up Jeff Beck.

http://www.batten.com/String-Damper-Evolution.html

http://www.scottymoore.net/dampers.html



I saw her play at the NAMM Show one year and she blew my mind!! Not only technically proficient, but very creative as well.

kn

clearlight

Anyone experiment with dampening stray harmonics with , for instance a hair tie?
I find a hair tie just after the  nut seems to improve tracking.....

It'd be interesting if someone came out with a string specifically designed to less harmonics for the sake of midi triggering....

anyone have any thoughts on the matter?
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bob e

I used something behind the saddle of my Bigsby equiped Gretsch Duo-Jet because I noticed the strings would vibrateb sympathyetically from my wild Pete Townsendish strumming creating an auto harp like-harmonics.  I use a couple of these little rubber pic holders called a "wedge". 

Never tried them on midi guitars.  I experimented with many string guages and materials and I believe what works best with my Axon are coated strings of medium guage.  Elixer now has competition and I don't know what is best currently, but I know I like the nano-web Elixers better than their original version because the sheath on the string is thinner.  Definitely cut's down on false note triggering from squeeking of fingers on strings.

I have not noticed my VG-99 to have false note problem unless I use it to trigger an external source.  Then, it seems to be largely a technique adjustment just as required for the Axon.

clearlight

Interesting.
I started all the dampening while trying to trigger some piano parts.....seemed to help

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Rhcole

When I first started triggering guitar to MIDI, I tested the setup on piano patches.

I quickly pulled out my pen and said "OK, scratch THAT off of the list!"

Chumly

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aliensporebomb

I watched a video on youtube with Guthrie Govan and it almost looked like he was using a small green girls hair scrunchie
right next to the nut so that there was no sympathetic vibrations when he was doing two handed work.  Just a thought.

I suspect a small strip of fabric wrapped around the area just after the nut before it gets to the tuning machines would work.
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agaskins

Does anyone have an old jazz guitar style damper, like the one pictured above, that they'd be willing to sell me? I have looked everywhere! I just can't bring myself to install a modern JB or MAB damper... I'm sure they work great, but look hideous!

Anyone? Please let me know! :)

Elantric

Jennifer Baten used to sell one google her site.

In general google " van epps string damper".  

http://hackyourguitar.blogspot.com/2009/07/jennifer-batten-string-damper.html


agaskins

I've seen the JB damper... it's quite atrocious looking. And I've googled for hours seeking 'van epps' style damper. No luck... Thanks anyways though!

Kmachman

Quote from: agaskins on February 15, 2010, 11:01:04 AM
I've seen the JB damper... it's quite atrocious looking. And I've googled for hours seeking 'van epps' style damper. No luck... Thanks anyways though!

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http://www.batten.com/String-Damper-Evolution.html
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embers

Does anyone know what Gundy Keller uses between the strings and the headstock. He clearly has something in there to dampen the strings above the nut. eg.

agaskins

Quote from: Kmachman on February 16, 2010, 01:00:13 PM
Check out this site...
http://www.batten.com/String-Damper-Evolution.html


Sorry, I should have been clearer, by JB I meant Jennifer Batten. That thing just looks so horrible compared to the old jazz style dampers. I'm really looking for something more like those, I'd rather tie a tube sock around the neck than to mount that giant plastic thing to my Brian Moore, haha.

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QuoteAnyone experiment with dampening stray harmonics with , for instance a hair tie?
I find a hair tie just after the  nut seems to improve tracking.....


QuoteDoes anyone know what Gundy Keller uses between the strings and the headstock

Confirmed  - Gundy employs a hair scrunchy from his daughter to dampen the strings above the nut - to prevent Alt Tuning warbling, and Ghost notes .


aliensporebomb

Quote from: embers on February 17, 2010, 04:21:22 AM
Does anyone know what Gundy Keller uses between the strings and the headstock. He clearly has something in there to dampen the strings above the nut. eg.

It looks like a woman's hair scrunchie for sure but it might actually be a small flexible piece of fabric with elastic,
Or small circular piece of styrofoam.
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Elantric

Order one here:

Farrand String Damper
Pat Farrand
16156 Barth Drive SE
Big Lake, MN 55309
763-263-6910
pfarrand@sherbtel.net


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embers

I was just watching an old Ry Cooder clip on YouTube and noticed he had his capo over the nut, presumably damping out unwanted notes while playing slide. Has anyone tried this method.

musicman65

This is an old thread but thought I'd mention that I have dampened my strings behind the nut on my strats for years. I use a velcro cut short with fuzzy side touching the strings. It goes around all six strings behind the nut but not around the whole neck. I first did it in the studio because I could hear strange overtones with high gain through the regular pickups. Its cheap, easy, and looks clean.

bd in tn

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imall41

I second the Velcro method for string damping.
I spent hours experimenting with different materials, and finally came up with the Wife's hairclip around a Velcro sandwich(-:



Below the bridge I also use Velcro, sandwiched in a String Cleaner, with a second hairclip to hold it in place tight against the saddles.


Vic1iful

You know that thingy your wife puts between her toes to polish her nails, That works good too. No Screws nesessary LOL